Can someone explain to me why countries like denmark are so successful off socialism but in a place like the USA it won't work?
because up until very recently scandinavian nations were basically racially homogenous. National socialism works.
>>67850964
Small homogenous population.
>aka only white people
>>67850964
They have a small homogeneous population with low income inequality and high standards of living.
>>67850964
This >>67851071
Socialism fails in any society full of lazy leeches who aren't willing to do their part.
>>67850964
Denmark is a small country with a small population
>Denmark
>Population: 5.6 million
>United States of America
>Population: 318.9 million
Gee I wonder why one government can afford to support its population and the other cannot.
>>67851050
>>67851071
I understand that they are racially homogenous but how does that effect the economy? I mean I'm well aware that whites and minorities dont get along alot of the time but I'm not seeing the connection. Im not a socialist I'm just ignorant and want to be enlightened.
>>67850964
>denmark
>economically socialist
WEW fucking LAD. Their markets are freer then ours. Their corporate tax rate is a fraction of ours.
>>67851330
It only works if it is truly a safety net, not a hammock
>>67850964
>>67850964
>>67850964
They have market economies with very low corporate tax rates. Their large public sectors are a detriment to their economies and will run them into debt. Denmark (i think it is denmark) has only 3 counties/provinces with a majority of people working. Socialism will lead to their downfall.
>Denmark has low corporate tax rates and a market economy
>The US has the highest corporate tax rates and has been socialistic/fascistic since Wilson
Denmark has a pretty high economic freedom index
>>67850964
Because they aren't
Don't worry if you don't understand, the communist manifesto will probably be required reading in your high school english class
>>67850964
successful in what sense?
you're way more likely to be a dane who uses american products than an american who can name any product that is imported to here from denmark
>>67851765
I dropped out of high school to work a trade actually. but i have tons of college student Facebook friends that love bernie and pretty much worship socialism. they are always using scandanavia as an example of how great it is but i have always been skeptical but not informed enough to really refute them.
The US is absolutely socialist. The USA just hates the WORD socialism.
But the USA is very prolific in it's state-owned industry. It's just that the people who benefit are primarily multinational conglomerates who specialize in contracting from the American government.
American state industry can also serve as wealth distribution. For example, every representative vies for defense spending to be run through their respective districts, and in many areas, defense spending and its ancillary revenue streams (such as secondary supply chains and personnel salary) is one of the main if not the main source of employment and money.
And aside from concepts such as military Keynesian, America DOES offer benefits such as universal healthcare. Every person on America soil is covered for healthcare due to the EMTALA which requires any hospital which accepts any amount of medicare to treat people in need of emergency treatment.
Now this is of course very inefficient and expensive coverage, but the fact is that it IS a form of universal coverage, and America actually spends more per person on healthcare then for example, Denmark (about 3k more then Denmark, the last time I looked). Or anybody else, actually. That's whayt the ACA was about, before it was neutered, was reducing that cost and expanding the value of that spending by covering visits that might circumvent the need for expensive emergency treatment.
The only real difference is that a country like Denmark is nakedly engaged in democratic socialism, and actually tries to tailor programs to benefiting the average citizen. America pretends to hate socialism with empty rhetoric, and just uses the citizen as a pretense to run the wealth of the commons through to the corporate benefactors who stuff their campaigns with funds, and hire them to "consult" and "speak" ect.
>>67851783
well it would seem that they have good living conditionings and clean cities. and the people there are generally happy.
>>67852072
>>67851589
The second post I linked is a good starting point.
Basically, they are relatively homogeneous Nordic racial/cultural countries that America foots the military bill for and aren't really socialist, in fact they are somewhat capitalistic, but just spend a lot on welfare and feminist related bullshit.
Denmark
>5.5 million people
>290 billion GDP
>45K GDP per capita
>low birth rate
>advanced industry
Almost entirely white people who share language and culture, with less people in the country than there are in many cities.
For contrast, people in America don't like the federal government just as people in Europe don't like the European Union.
Nobody in the U.S. could give a fuck Vladimir Sanders wants to make Vermont a socialist state, just leave Texas the fuck alone.
>>67851314
>Mfw all the fucking 3rd worlders here prevent us from having nice things.
>>67850964
Because first they needed strong capitalism to start implementing socialism. Second, they are very homogenous country with strong national feeling, shared customs and tradition, and well common good awareness. You know the things that would get you labeled xenophobic bigot etc. everywhere else, ironically by the people who support socialism. It wouldn't work in USA, it wouldn't work in my country and many others. I mean, come on, they had refferendum on whether the paid vacation should be increased by a week, and people overwhelmingly refused it because it would put unnecesarry strain on the budget. Do you see your country doing to same?
>>67850964
They're successful in spite of it, not because of it. Also lack of niggers.
>>67851330
White people with a strong white culture generally do not abuse the system to get free stuff while not contributing anything to society.
Shitskins do. Just look at South American countries.
>>67852263
I hear this everytime , then someone posts stats about how much anti depressive pills they take and don t know what to think .
>>67850964
Ask them if their version of Socialism is so successful and perfect and guaranteed to work, then they certainly wouldn't mind if the U.S. left NATO and they were left to defend themselves.
Go ahead. Just ask 'em.
>>67850964
>homogeneous society
>small population
There ya go.
>>67852072
You can't really refute them. There's no concrete metric for assigning merit to a nation, unless it has some centrally planned mission or something, and even then, you could only honestly judge them within the that context, not as a whole.
And at the end of the day, the American economy is usually actually less free then most "socialist" nations, as there are lots of regulation geared towards carving out niches for specific companies, and curtailing competition. And subsidies, and no-bid contracts, and buy-quotas with state backing ect...
I mean, you could probably refute them personally because it's likely that neither of you have a working grasp on your economy at all (it's a vastly complicated subject), but really there's no real "right" or "wrong" opinion outside of a vacuum. Not without arbitrarily agreeing to some artificial metric, and then engaging in lineally extrapolating current data as if growth or contraction is magically assured.
If you want to nail a berniebot, ask them to nail down bernie's top marginal income tax rate so that you can even have an intellectually honest discussion about the subject of the economy, and specifically how his programs could be funded, and they can not answer you, because there is no number yet, so all of Bernies proposals are in effect a car without gasoline as funding can not be resolved.
>>67852813
>>67852570
So from what I'm taking is that because we are a country with a very large population that is melting pot with many divided cultures that refuse to assimilate and our necessity for our enormous defense budget, Socialism will never work in the US. it all makes sense now. jesus christ how can people be so blind. Thank you /pol/ for saving me before i became indoctrinated by the liberal media like my peers.
>>67851330
Look at it like this: People tend to be a bit more willing to help one another out if they're alike. In these countries, those around you are typically racially identical to yourself, and they're your fellow countrymen- it's easier to relate to them, thus, whenever one goes through some difficult shit, you're more willing to be OK with helping them out since you feel like they're just like you. You'd want help, right?
Now, when you start introducing less commonalities, like perhaps a racial or cultural difference, there tends to be a shift from such altruism. It's only natural, as humans tend to try and associate with those they share the most in common with. The less you can relate to someone, the less likely you are to give a fuck about their troubles.
So in short, socialism "works" in these countries, ironically, BECAUSE of the lack of diversity. Everyone feels like they are able to adequately relate to one another, and when diversity is introduced, it all tends to go to absolute shit (refugee crisis ftw). This is also why these countries tend to be pretty tough to legally immigrate to.
Abundant resources for the population. Newer transportation technologies and supply techniques have lowered transport costs across the globe creating expanding the market in-turn lowering costs of basic resources everywhere, especially food. Smaller countries like in Scandinavia have very good population natural resource ratio who's only real competition was outside competitors. It was only natural they would move to socialism because there was no need for domestic competition. In places like the US which once had a broad array of both natural and industrial products which could be defined by certain regions. This creates sort of a little mini global market within the domestic market. It would only be natural that for a country with this diverse and expansive industry to favor free trade to make the complicated system of supply and demand much more comprehensive to business owners and workers.
>>67851250
so we should break up the country into 8 equal parts. force interracial breeding and redistribute wealth :^)
>>67850964
They adopted it only recently. In 100 years those countries won't even exist anymore. Socialism is a disease.
>In “Scandinavian Unexceptionalism,” a penetrating new book published by the Institute of Economic Affairs, Sanandaji shows that the Nordic nations’ prosperity “developed during periods characterized by free-market policies, low or moderate taxes, and limited state involvement in the economy.”
>For example, Sweden was a poor nation for most of the 19th century (which helps explain the great wave of Swedish emigration to the United States in the 1800s). That began to change as Stockholm, starting around 1870, turned to free-enterprise reforms. Robust capitalism replaced the formerly agrarian system, and Sweden grew rich. “Property rights, free markets, and the rule of law combined with large numbers of well-educated engineers and entrepreneurs,” Sanandaji writes. The result was an environment in which Swedes experienced “an unprecedented period of sustained and rapid economic development.” In fact, between 1870 and 1936, Sweden had the highest growth rate in the industrialized world.
>Scandinavia’s hard-left turn didn’t come about until much later. It was in the late 1960s and early 1970s that taxes soared, welfare payments expanded, and entrepreneurship was discouraged.
>That 1976 story in Time, for example, went on to report that Sweden found itself struggling with crime, drug addiction, welfare dependency, and a plague of red tape. Successful Swedes — most famously, Ingmar Bergman — were fleeing the country to avoid its killing taxes. “Growing numbers are plagued by a persistent, gnawing question: Is their Utopia going sour?”
>Sweden’s world-beating growth rate dried up. In 1975, it had been the fourth-wealthiest nation on earth (as measured by GDP per capita); by 1993, it had dropped to 14th. By then, Swedes had begun to regard their experiment with socialism as, in Sanandaji’s phrase, “a colossal failure.”
>>67851250
well it works in germany and most people are fucking lazy and you barely see white people on the streets anymore - our social system still works, tho.
you are just too afraid and maybe too retarded to make it work.
>>67850964
America has a large immigrant population and a fuckload of niggers on people on welfare, especially niggers.
Socialist policies would only turn a one-pound nigger that might do SOME work now and again into a ten-pound lodestone that does nothing.
>>67850964
>Denmark
>Successful
Literally the European venezuela. Wait until they run out of other people's money to waste and import enough niggers.
>>67852507
Socialism isn't nice homogeneous or not.
>>67854130
>Denmark has come to a similar conclusion. Its lavish subsidies are being rolled back amid sharp concerns about welfare abuse and an eroding work ethic. In the last general election, Danes replaced a left-leaning government with one tilted to the right. Loving Denmark doesn’t mean loving big-government welfarism.
>The real key to Scandinavia’s unique successes isn’t socialism, it’s culture. Social trust and cohesion, a broad egalitarian ethic, a strong emphasis on work and responsibility, commitment to the rule of law — these are healthy attributes of a Nordic culture that was ingrained over centuries. In the region’s small and homogeneous countries (overwhelmingly white, Protestant, and native-born), those norms took deep root. The good outcomes and high living standards they produced antedated the socialist nostrums of the 1970s. Scandinavia’s quality of life didn’t spring from leftist policies. It survived them.
>Sanandaji makes the acute observation that when Scandinavian emigrants left for the United States, those cultural attributes went with them and produced the same good effects. Scandinavian-Americans have higher incomes and lower poverty rates than the US average. Indeed, Danish-Americans economically outperform Danes still living in Denmark, as do Swedish-Americans compared with Swedes and Finnish-Americans compared with Finns. Scandinavian culture has been a blessing for native Scandinavians — and even more of one for their cousins across the ocean.
>No, Scandinavia doesn’t “violate the laws of the economic universe.” It confirms them. With free markets and healthy values, almost any society will thrive. Socialism only makes things worse.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2015/10/15/bernie-sanders-scandinavia-not-socialist-utopia/lUk9N7dZotJRbvn8PosoIN/story.html
>>67851314
>What are economies of scale
It can work even better in the United States.
Fucking /pol/tards man. Biggest retards on the planet.
>>67850964
They aren't successful, they're just brainwashed and easily manipulated by their media and the elites.
It's not as good as you think
>>67854265
>Wait until they run out of other people's money to waste
What's your national debt again?
Capitalism fucked you. Admit it Amerilard.
>>67854711
Our debt is huge because of big government and socialism. 20% of our budget goes to fucking social security.
>>67850964
Because it is still a market economy.
ie not socialist.
These countries were largely agrarian and poor (hence huge Scandinavian immigration to the US in the late 1800s) eventually these countries became capitalist, industrialized, and because of their terrific work ethic and intelligence, became one of the most prosperous countries in the world. The leftist movement came around in the 70s and economic prosperity has been declining since, of course quality of life is high, but that will go down as the money made during their economic boom periods is quickly running out.
Denmark has a minimum tax rate of 60%, with hidden fees and duties tacked on, so at the end of the day you are making around 20 cents per dollar you make, unless you are working minimum wage etc. While their fast food workers make $18/hr, the taxes reduce it to around $9/hr, which isn't that much better than ours. Obviously they get tons of benefits, but the cost of living is immense compared to ours. Hence why Denmark has the highest rate of privatized debt in the world... they are still under the yoke of those bankers they supposedly hate. Combine that with the rapid influx of Muslim immigration, the area is doomed. Sweden is supposed to be a third world country in 15 years.
>>67854811
Lel. America doesn't know how to socialism.
Stop invading countries in the Middle East and cutting taxes on the rich and you'll be alright Amerilard.
Your big, fat, cranky, white, conservative Trumplards love their Socialist Security. They just don't want to admit it.
You remember this Teatard?
>>67854644
this shit has been debunked times and times again fuck off with your outdated OC
>>67850964
Lots of oil money.
Small population.
Number of dollars per person basically.
The US is -$150000 right now.
They really should consider reigning in that debt.
They're becoming the new greece.
USA, pay debts!
>>67850964
because scandinavians are pretty homogenous, have a strong literacy and shared culture, are hard-working protestants and cooperative
this dynamic has changed with the recent influx of muslims (who are fucking up sweden, be sure of this), but this is the dynamic
it's like why switzerland can be even more of a gun nation and gun culture than the us, but have none of the downside, unlike america
libtard socialism is a vile failure in the united states and this is why we can't have hillary clinton or bernie sanders--obama was enough, thank you very much
>>67850964
a exponentially smaller population and entirely homogeneous culture. It's not fucking rocket scientist, schlomo
>>67851330
More diversity leads to greater social atomization and lower levels of public trust
Note that while socialism works in homogenous Denmark, it does not work as well in Venezuela
>>67854647
>>67854711
>>67853191
>>67852153
Why am I not surprised it's a fucking leaf that thinks he understands America?
You see the government as a wealth distributor and that they're really just socialist practices and, in your next posts, you say that Capitalism has fucked us. So which is it?
The government is like a big angel investor. In the case of defense spending and the "military industrial complex" and large multinational corporations (which is where all Socialists immediately go first), the difference is anyone in America can start a company and build it to "win" the government contract. Their own company. Not owned and operated by the U.S. Government. Most recent example I can come up with off the top of my head is probably Elon Musk.
Of course these huge multinational companies like Boeing and Lockheed and General Dynamics and Northrop Grumman and United Technologies and et cetera and et cetera, lobby the politicians/decision makers to win contracts, and vice-versa the representatives lobby them to build in their district for the people that elected them. The same way a small business insurance man takes another local businessman golfing or out to lunch to try and win his business so he can pay his secretary's salary and send his kids to college and the same way that local businessman wants to put his money with the best insurance man to protect his business and his family.
This is how it works. The people elect the politicians to represent them in congress and the politicians decide how the people's tax dollars are best well spent and the businesses decide how that money is best spent and they pay the people and it goes on and around. It is not a socialist practice. What those companies produce is for sale and for profit.
And we're ignoring the fact that I or anyone can invest in any of these companies, separate from my taxes, and see a financial return based on its success and value.
>>67855128
Not saying you're wrong, but what problems does Denmark have with socialism? I need to write this down to use anytime someone yells "LOOK AT SCANDINAVIA"
>>67850964
>>67855095
You're wrong the minimum is 36% and then there's another tax which is what you pay your company at 8% so in total it's 44% not 60% it's 60% + the 8% if you have income over 10k$ a month and you get roughly 7800$ to ease your tax with every year.
>>67855098
The funniest part is I'm >>67855492 and I agree with this:
>Stop invading countries in the Middle East and cutting taxes on the rich and you'll be alright Amerilard.
>>67855493
the fact that welfare is for everyone, even if they aren't citizens. Besides there's many ways to cheat the welfare system so you get extra handouts. There's so many faults in our system you wouldn't even know.
Sure it's good but it's not perfect.
>>67850964
Because socialism is a wealth drain, it destroys value in exchange for something else. It doesn't generate more value like capitalism does.
Don't take my word for it, take Gary Kasparov's. He lived through both socialism and capitalism.
http://louderwithcrowder.com/former-russian-chess-world-champion-garry-kasparov-smashes-socialism/
Fantastic question anon! One that has rattled the minds of both economists and political scientists alike. Astonishingly, the answer you seek can be succinctly summarize with a single word: Niggers.
>>67856110
I will take this moment to elaborate on this succinct summary.
Not all blacks are niggers.
Not all niggers are black.
Thank you, please carry on.
>>67856273
But all niggers are still niggers regardless
>>67850964
>socialist countries have stopped developing
>you literally can't build a fence without govt permission
>population a third of the size of california
There's nothing successful about it, the rich (think even Pewdiepie / Notch) leave their socialist countries for a reason. Socialism = purgatory, sure it's not hell but there's no point living their either if you want a better life.
>>67850964
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNtyV0CXfzU
>>67850964
literally a small country the size of one state in the USA and they are white
