>be NEET for a couple of years because of an accident
>boomer parents told me to get a job
>apply on the internet
>no replies not even one
>parents tells me to walk in apply with resume on hand and give firm handshakes
>mfw
>>67846481
Fucking boomers...
Here's some Old Economy Steve for ya.
>>67846481
Same here dude. Only way to get jobs online is to apply to literally EVERYTHING you're qualified for.
Walk-ins are daunting but if you just push through that anxeity and do it, you have a way better chance.
Also quantity over quality, apply to everything dawg
>>67846481
My parents didn't help me buy a car during high school and then they asked my why I wasn't going to college or working.
Who /overqualification trap/ here?
>>67847537
My parents didn't allow me to learn to drive because it took time away from studying.
>>67846481
No one wants some random walking into their workplace to leave their resume. It also takes away the point of the resume, which is to leave a first impression. It becomes you leaving the first impression. And if you're some NEET neckbeard, it's probably a bad first impression.
Buy a nice bit of Linen paper and Envelopes, make a very nice Resume, and mail your resumes out snail mail. It makes the same impact as walking in without any of the awkwardness.
>>67847757
It really fucked me over though because I enrolled in community college and wasn't able to go. Never wen't back.
>>67846481
The problem with applying online is filter software that reject your resume before a human ever sees it. Call up a staffing company and they can help you put your resume together to get past those filters.
>>67846481
are you following up with phone calls the next day? Then again the next week?
Because you should be.
>>67846481
>parents tells me to walk in apply with resume on hand and give firm handshakes
Yeah, it doesn't work that way anymore.
>apply on the internet
And it has NEVER worked this way, in the vast majority of cases.
Here's how it actually works now:
>Pick a good degree
>Do well in your first few years at school
>Secure a paid internship for experience
>Network at aforementioned internship(s), as well as with your classmates and extended family.
Today, jobs are gotten through connections. I haven't even interviewed for my last 2 jobs, and I'm only like 4-5 years into my industry.
>>67847949
Ride the bus, nigger... hell, even niggers ride the bus and walk.
Even I do it. Walk like 4 miles a day and eat a family size bag of lays.
Walking in is a good way to see if you'd like it there, but only if it's open to the public.
I've had 8 fulltime and 4 part time jobs.
Bring a resume, but meet your future boss before you get filtered out by the HR idiots.
>>67848362
and if you don't happen to land a good internship, or your internship doesn't offer you a job, you fall COMPLETELY through the net, and will never recover
we spend 4 years after highschool doing completely WORTHLESS shit, to prove a point. and then, none of it even matters. so why even go to college? they should just offer us unpaid internships during high school, and save us the trouble.
>>67846481
Here's advice for you: git gud.
>>67848672
I don't disagree with you on any point.
I don't know if it's everywhere in Canada, but I actually did do an unpaid internship in high school (half days for one semester of my senior year). It was at a computer repair shop, which was great for people skills and obviously the technical side (I now work in IT). I still list it on my resume!
>>67848595
I don't live in the city.
This shit belongs on r9k. Fuck off faggot
>>67848863
there is bus access to the city college. get a bike, ride to a bus stop.
look up the closest bus stop. it will go to the station which will transfer to the college
>>67849020
r9k is for relationships. the economy is inherently a political subject and beyond the control of most individuals, oh enlightened one
Only way to get a job is to work for free. I graduated from gatech 3 years ago with a mechanical engineering degree and have been working for GAPower for free since hoping that they might finally give me a paid job.
>>67846481
My mother didn't let me get a job until i got out of high school
>>67849212
Move to China, at least you'll get paid...
>>67848362
Okay dude we'll all just do that, gee whiz I was going about it the wrong way entirely. I'll just hit up my extended family tomorrow morning, I'm sure theyre asleep right now because they work in extremely powerful positions at various corporations
>>67846481
Also, how many jobs did you apply to online? Because if it was <30, you shouldn't have expected a reply. It's a numbers game, and there's many people out there like you.
>>67849335
GO make friends.
>>67849409
and this is where the argument breaks down
it's not about how good of an engineer you are. it's whether you have friends with jobs or not.
so why even bother with school?
this topic is a non-starter. people with jobs feel superior and entitled, no matter how they got them.
this is why the economy will shut down eventually. hope you enjoy getting killed by niggers and communists, because this is what happens when you refuse to empower the white working class.
>>67849641
Exactly I'm about 10x the engineer my sister is but since she's a woman she's entitled to a 100k a year job whil I'm working for free at GAPower. I made way better grades than her in school and she regularly calls me for technical advice.
>>67849335
>they work in extremely powerful positions at various corporations
You really have no idea how the world works. Your uncle might know 100+ people you've never met - by mentioning to him that you're looking for work, he may have overheard an opportunity, or at the very least now he's on even a casual lookout. You've just extended your network.
Maybe your cousin is a carpenter (as an example). He may be able to get you a $13/hr job moving shit around, enough to pay the bills some bills in the meantime. Maybe the company you now work for does residential stuff, and you get to talking with a homeowner about how your real passion is X. Well, just so happens he works for a company that does X! Maybe you get an interview, or at least you've expanded your network again.
Sorry, but you have to be social and make your opportunities if you want to make it.
I used to work at Taco bell, here is how the managers hired people
>Stranger walks in
>Kid seems nervous, nothing stands out
>Single, lives with parents
>w/e they don't hire him
>Fucking skinny ass white kid with ear gauges comes through
>Was lobby at the time eaves drop
>"I just need work for my kid and her mom ya know?"
>more social, but comes off sleazy to me.
>He gets hired
>He constantly bugs me, smokes weed outside at night, could not do drive thru worth shit.
>Ends up in jail for other drug shit week 3
People hire who they like and who they know.
Pic related, still had it on my phone. Average week of complaints/compliments
If you want to fuck some one over at Taco Bell, those surveys actually hurt a lot.
Is 40k a year enough to support a family? Payed like 5k for dog grooming classes in the evening.
>>67847859
Yes!
Nobody has got a job by walking in to the place!
Tip of the day:
Buy linen evelope.
Any more brilliant ideas senpai?
Maybe some scent aswell? Cover up the
> Muh cheese curls smell
>>67849641
>>67849825
because school is where you learn how to work with others and you spend four years proving you can show up and follow the rules and work with others, while showing and interesting in your professional and social future.
You both make a lot of excuses for not applying yourself enough.
>>67848863
If you're in such a rural area where you can't even access public transportation then move.
>>67846481
We're sort of in a transitional period.
Just give it like 10 more years and all HR interaction will be online only. Right now there are still a lot of old school people who expect you to come in and talk face to face with them and all that shit.
>>67849641
>why even bother with school
Because like it or not, they actually teach you things that 99% of people either can't or won't teach themselves. Oh, and if you want to be taken seriously in an interview, you need a diploma.
That's reality, and arguing about it isn't going to change things, no matter what you think is "breaking down".
>>67849904
Forgot Pic
>>67846481
oh, sorry... i thought this was a carl thread. my mistake.
>>67847154
damn right about that,
last year i got an internship after
spamming around 150 online applications
its just a fucking numbers game
>>67846481
>>67847626
Keep 3 resumes.
1. Truth resume
2. Lie resume - underselling
3. Lie resume - overselling
>>67849921
>Is 40k a year enough to support a family?
Obviously depends on where you live, judging by your flag I'd say yes unless you're in a very high density area. But you won't be living in luxury.
>>67846481
>>parents tells me to walk in apply with resume on hand and give firm handshakes
>>mfw
Maybe a phonecall first, but that's actually pretty good advice.
>>67849921
>>67850162
>tfw 60k is only just barely enough to exist as a single male in australia
>>67849963
You joke, swedeboy, but a nice piece of Linen paper makes your Resume stand out.
90% of the resumes that a person like me receives are qualified for the position. I can only meet with about 33% of the applicants. I might be able to whittle down to about 50% with a good cover letter, but I need to see something that goes above and beyond to make that last choice.
>>67850060
>Taco Bell is love, Taco Bell is life
ITT: First world problems
>>67850009
school doesn't teach you how to cooperate. stop being a sophist.
the institutional mechanisms for rating and assessing competency have broken down. since hte institutions are no longer accurate measures, people have to risk social connections because schools are currently unreliable.
applying yourself and cooperating has very ltitle to do with your network of friends, and especially of family.
go to china, and tell someone who doesn't have family in the communist party that they just need to work harder.
we've turned into communists, and if you have half a brain, you'll recognize that fact
>be NEET for few years
>get turned down for a dozen jobs
>go to my 15th or so job interview
>drop all polite manners and give zero fucks
>tell them that if they don't hire me they're retarded and give them reasons why
>get a call that I'm hired 2 days later
Being an asshole is the 21st century "firm handshake" apparently.
>tfw 60k in student loan debt
fucking dad, why did you have to farm in the 80s and go broke. fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkk. then you have to die on me my 2nd year in college? mother fucker.
miss u tho
>>67850165
>>parents tells me to walk in apply with resume
>that's actually pretty good advice.
Maybe if you're applying for t-shirt folder.
>>67850165
>>67850165
>Implying high school grads and Straight-to-college grads have a resume worth a shit.
>>67850492
>>muh institutional mechanisms
>>67850046
the reality is also that a nigger can murder you in cold blood with no consequences. I guess you better "toughen up" and accept it, right?
>>67850060
>Taco Bell is love, Taco Bell is life.
>>67850571
It's not a bad idea for a smaller private owned company, for big companies it wont work.
>>67847626
The only way being overqualified can hurt you is if you ask for way more money than they're willing to pay you.
>>67850581
Brilliant counterargument
>>67850587
I have no idea what the point of your reply was.
I assume you're not working. All I'm doing is trying to give OP and some others a bit of advice, you can take it or leave it. But your attitude won't help you.
>>67850400
What if I mail you a nice trilby as well?
>>67847859
This. Just walk down to a mailbox and mail some resumes if you really want to use the time.
>>67847949
Check out this LOW ENERGY fuck. I walked to grad school in the snow, kiddo.
>>67850581
there are various. in korea samsung doesn't even hire people who went to college, they just use iq tests and hire the brightest.
in america, iq tests are illegal, so for a long time they used schools and looked for your scores on, say, mba exit tests.
but those then also got watered down. they don't indicate how well a person can learn (which is what they want.) so the only proxies they can rely on are previous work experience, and social networks that risk reputation.
if you deny that reality has a structure, you're just being an idiot. people look for the best information they can find. when information is unavailable or outlawed, because of regulation, they find workarounds.
this is old fucking news. my parents grew up in china. this happened there in the 70s, and it fucked china to hell and back.
>>67850755
You don't have any arguments, they are just excuses... That is my point. You sound as bad as you probably smell.
>>67850580
This is moreso what I was getting at
>>67850644
>It's not a bad idea for a smaller private owned company
Big corporate places obviously not, but if you're still figuring out how to apply for a fucking job then you're never going to get there anyway.
Start small.
>>67850679
Not true, many employers will not hire people they consider over-qualified because they believe those people will leave the second the "real" opportunity the applicant is looking for comes around.
>>67850165
>No phone calls please
>>67850883
Can you read the poster IDs? You must be drunk
>>67850854
There are no bus stops here were I live, don't live in the city.
Have you tried walking in to a store, giving the owner a firm handshake and expressing your earnest desire to work for him?
I have no interest in becoming a wageslave, but that sounds like it could work.
>>67846481
Just keep applying, it'll take about like, 6 months.
I just got a job that pays well, and I hardly do shit.
I spend most night shifts making too much money and catching up on DS games.
>>67850400
>Yfw stack of linen envelopes is put on your desk
>>67850952
>there is no bus service where I live
Wow, what a completely insurmountable challenge. If that's the best excuse you can come up with, I think you just really don't want to work anyway.
>>67850943
Yeah... I can and I am.
Point still stands.
>>67851008
businesses are literally rolling over monthly inventories and downsizing at the moment. most places are literally not hiring, and job growth doesn't even meet immigration needs, let alone US population growth.
it took 7 years after 08 before the lost number of jobs were recovered, and in the ensuing 7 years, there is a jobs deficit equal to the total population growth for the period.
>>67846481
Same here but instead of parents it's my employment provider
>Anon, how long have you been looking for work?
2 years
>Well something was obviously wrong. Have you fixed your resume? You need to sell yourself!
So I fixed my resume and sent it to hundreds of people
>No luck finding anything? You should go to the place in person and talk to them. It is more guaranteed! :)
I go to many stores, talk to them give them my resume and still no calls.
>Months later, anon it's not my job to find you work, we are only here to give you steps and guidance. You have to put yourself out there, have you tried networking? :)
WHY THE FUCK DO THESE CUNTS EXIST???
>>67851008
>Have you tried walking in to a store, giving the owner a firm handshake and expressing your earnest desire to work for him?
I think you watch too many movies or something.
>>67850531
RIP sad anon's dad.
>>67849212
Oh god, I hope this isn't true. You're never going to get an employment if you show them that you're this much of a cuck
I got my job by applying online and then walking and speaking with the manager. Next week he asked me to come for the interview and hired me. Nobody reads the applications, you need to show some more activity than just spamming some emails.
>>67850679
No, it's not all that common for STEM hirers not to hire the most technically proficient because they're worried he'll become too powerful or too influential. People prefer one rock star per workplace.
If you're told you're too confident (they'll use words like opinionated, aggressive or "bossy" if you're female) during your interview, it's likely exactly this has happened to you.
>>67851129
I do have a job and work.....
>>67851185
>posts strawmen, non sequiturs, and ad hominems
>says I'm the one who has no argument
Your mom must have drank heavily when she was pregnant with you. It's okay if you're lashing out to feel better about yourself, it's not your fault
>>67846481
First job is the hardest to get since your resume is pretty much blank. If you have no prior job experience, then you HAVE to know somebody who works at where ever you're applying.
>>67851195
this didn't even work pre-recession. I remember when I was in highschool, walking around to all the businesses, and even the ones with "now hiring" signs didn't end up hiring me.
in the end, I only got restauraunt work, and it was via a buddy.
boomers need to die painful deaths, broadcast publicly.
good fucking luck. took me 5 months to find my current job after graduating. only just now was i "promoted" to a comfy cash register in an air-conditioned room. dont ask me what i was doing before this promotion. only reason i got this is because i said im quitting and they didnt wanna lose someone like me who had a good record
>>67851107
I've only had 2. Hired them both.
Had a few Ivory paper Resumes, and they were alright. I prefer Linen. It just feels crisp and classy.
>>67850158
why would you undersell?
>>67851343
By taking advantage of even unpaid internships while in school, you are accruing valuable experience that can leveraged towards other opportunities. Other employers have no idea you weren't paid.
>>67851185
Also I notice you still haven't responded to the guy who you were originally arguing with, who makes some fine points to counteract your cuckold slave morality >>67850869
Maybe you're just as dumb as you sound
>>67850239
with a job, yeah. I have learnt to survive as a neet on 28k/year. its a matter of cutting out the ridiculous service industry.
>need a new bed frame
>500 fucking dollars for the base model?
>hungry
>a sandwich costs 10 fucking dollars?
>make own
>car broke down
>240$/hour mechanic?
>he wants to charge me for 5 hours labor to replace a timing belt?
>he thinks an oil change takes a full hour of work?
>he adds on an extra hour lubricating my door latches?
>learn to repair car
but yeah, in australian jobs they expect you to get to work an hour early and finish an hour late.
it costs a lot of money to work. uniforms, transit, climate control so that you will sleep in ridiculous heat or cold to be rested for tomorrow. so that you can live in a non shit tier home that is easy to clean and maintain. you end up with no money left over and no time to actually do anything yourself forcing you to pay ridiculous service charges for everything.
>>67847537
>>67847757
Well my parents wouldnt buy me a car let alone spend the time of day doing that for me.
My mom had plastic surgery and my dad had cocaine to buy.
>>67848829
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>>67851379
You're just looking for someone to unleash your powerlevels on. That is my point. You're just complaining.
>>67851371
Made an assumption based on the thread.
>>67851195
Sounds like you got a shit employment coach, my one seems to understand that there isn't much around here locally and that I'm in the age bracket (20) where retail doesn't want you because you cost too much and aren't old enough to of got a decent education yet.
But yes most of them do suck dick.
>>67850531
sorry anon, i didn't ask for these feels.
>>67851611
You should address the arguments posited by the guy you were originally arguing with instead of projecting so thoroughly
>>67851617
Yeah, that was after high school.
Let me give all of you some solid advice.
Take a look at business owners. They are constantly meeting new clients, drumming up business, spreading a good reputation. It's not how you might imagine, "you own a business do you don't technically have a job."
A business owner's job is constantly, almost daily, applying for new jobs and getting them. How do they do it? They send emails, they make phonecalls. They discuss a client's needs. They go and meet them in person, find out what they can do for that business, and find a way to provide it at a reasonable cost.
Getting a job is no different. It's not going there with your hat in hand, asking "can you please find something for me to do and pay me for it?" It's "I heard your business does X, I have Y skills and I feel I would be suited for Z task. I [saw your job offer] / [heard about your business] and would like to contribute. Would you like a copy of my [resume] / [services and quotes]?"
Business owners' lives are one long continuous stream of job applications and salary negotiations. Approach it the same way.
I have never had an interview in which I did not get the job, and now I'm running my own consulting business.
>>67851488
If you are desperate to find a job to pay bills as an in-between for a real opportunity. Employers do not always hire advanced candidates for lower level positions for various reasons.
>>67851511
as the above poster mentioned, many bosses PREFER dumb people because it guarantees that their position in the office remains secure
then, you end up with dumb people in positions of influence and with experience, looking down on smart people, and then businesses collapse and you get a recession.
again, this happened in china. old news, you would think, that if smart people held influence, these mistakes wouldn't be repeated. but it's repeating, so that says something about the people who have jobs, doesn't it?
>>67851488
If you're a nuclear biologist with 7 phds and you have to settle for working at kmart because the economy sucks dick.
>>67850869
I do not deny that reality having a structure.
It absolutely does.. but you have to be persistent, social, and not fucking weird.. which is not likely characteristics of someone on 4chan.
Are you somehow surprised that natural selection exists within the human race?
>>67851107
>eggshell with romalian type
>>67851475
>Linen resumes
You're an idiot. Managers only hire the best candidate 50% of the time. You should be replaced with a fucking quarter.
>>67851195
In what field?
Not even unqualified work?
2yrs?
Have you considerd Going to the place anon?
Just don't be an autist 100% of the times
>>67851773
Also, putting out job ads is often a last resort for a business. The last two jobs I had, they created a position for me and expanded the business into my skillset. Don't assume that because you can't find a job ad, the company won't be hiring.
>>67851735
You have anime memes.. People can tell you watch anime. That's your fucking problem dude.
>>67851848
or just learn to be a quiet shy reserved person. talk to noone. everyone will like you. this is literally a normie tier personality you need to learn to present at work.
>>67851773
Excellent advice, let me try to sum it up:
Don't go to employers asking them what they can provide for you, tell them what you can provide for them.
>>67851828
>kmart
do they give you a drug test to make sure you're using?
>>67849825
Weird. My sister was an eletric enigeer for gapower.
>>67851848
>just get a job you loser!
>hahahaha I was almost gonna give you a job but I see here you're kind of weird good luck kiddo
>>67851195
>WHY THE FUCK DO THESE CUNTS EXIST???
They need jobs, too, friend
>>67851848
the legal structure of meritocracy has broken down, having caved to political correctness. because of this, meritocracy cannot function, and the allocation of jobs doesn't depend on reliable market information, but on personal contacts.
that has nothing to do with "being weird." again, during the communist revolution, when commies gave all the jobs to their family, it ended up being that the most vile and violent of the communists ended up being the ones wit hthe most power, and therefore, the best jobs.
and as a consequence, china was fucked up for 80 years straight.
meritocracy is more important than idiots like you being kings of your ant hill. if you want to live in a communist country, please, move to russia. but allow the rest of us to live in a free market, please.
>>67851954
>he has a problem with anime memes
Go to sleep, reddit
>>67851811
I gotta ask, are you working?
You seem to be doing a lot of complaining, conspiracy theorizing, and generally feeling sorry for yourself. You make your own destiny, and talking about China, etc. on an online forum is not going to help you or anyone or anything.
>>67852128
Stop being weird and get a job.
Fucking idiot with your cartoon memes.
>>67846481
>engineering job
Got a job offer one week after getting called. I applied for an entry-level position, which I was overqualified for.
It's a bold move, but I think you end up getting offered less.
>>67852252
Dude, I don't have a problem with anime... the professional non degenerate world does.
I work in HR
The company I work for does us Monster and Indeed. I do take time to look at those resumes and evaluate them here are some big red flags that will make you in the "C pile" (A is sure yes for interview, B maybe, C fuck no)
Bouncing from Job to job - red fucking flag. If we hire you you're only going to start being profitable when you're trained, which depending on job takes 3-6 months.
Not catering your resume to the position - Work experience or just experience in general can be drawn from every day life. You can really stretch those simple experiences into a quality that we are searching for and spelled out in the job description.
Grammar, shit compositions - that's obvious
BTW I deal with a lot of engineers, so I'm sure a lot of you guys can relate
>>67849825
you should have had a gap year and been diagnosed with a disability. this elevates you above a woman because HR goes sploosh and cums all over your resume when they realise what amazing sensitive diverse people they will be for hiring you.
also how the fuck do you think you will get a job out of this. the bean counters see a guy working for nothing. his work is good. he takes 0$ from payroll. books are balanced. business is good. the only way you can get paid is to apply for another job. indicate that you are worth more to them than your salary. which is currently 0$.
if only you had a small loan of a million dollars
>>67846481
Parent's told me the same thing so I told them fuck off and now I'm moving back with my sister that's in another city. I moved back home to help out my mom with my brother that I ended up putting in Juvie for assault. There's no jobs here besides minimum wage retail bullshit. I was a lab technician with 1 and a half years of experience and was fairly employable. I regret my decision to come back down. Parents just don't understand that I have the deck stacked against me. Everyone here expects me to speak Spanish and when I don't it severely limits the jobs I can get but on top of that there's illegals or people with 5 years in stocking taking up jobs. Can't compete with that shit.
>>67852056
They just give you the crack directly as payment. It's what allows you to remain sane while working menial job like that.
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>>67852357
Did you get raped by an anime or something? Maybe reddit is more your speed, I hear they hate anime there
>>67850469
>ITT: First world problems
At least in the third world there is no shame in eating bugs and drinking sceptic water. Any given nigger will still hookup and have 7 kids.
In the USA there never ending shame if you aren't rich, and you are just a scoundrel if unemployed.
>>67851773
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>>67851773
10/10 THIS
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LISTEN UP NEETS
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>>67851773
RIGHT HERE
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>>67851865
kek.
>1865
fuck that year t.b.h famalam
>>67852253
again, people like you literally have to ignore the structure of reality and economics in order to make their worldview exist
so instead of addressing information in the hiring market, you say that individuals are complaining, or have a bad attitude, or other personal attacks
if you idiots can't even understand labor market dynamics, how am I supposed to think you're anything but idiots attacking people out of spite?
>>67852393
>Everyone here expects me to speak Spanish and when I don't it severely limits the jobs I can get
Have you considered learning Spanish?
>>67852229
This guy gets it. Also, having a surplus of workers is fucking hell.
OP here. I don't hate my parents, they took care of me while bedridden and all, it's just they still think that present day life is as easy as 4 decades ago.
I'm planning taking up caregiving class since there's alot of elderly home near me.
>tfw Phone interview tomorrow for summer internship for grad program
fug I am worried lads
>>67852419
>>67852419
Good luck out there kiddo, you're fucked in the head.
If you really think people with joby jobs watch anime and sit on 4chan, then you are very mistaken.
>>67852495
I asked you a very simple question, but you keep going off on these bizarre tangents.
Keep going with your theories. I'll keep having having employment.
>>67849921
You need classes to wash dogs? I am not sure you can be helped.
>>67851877
>Managers only hire the best candidate 50% of the time.
At a certain point, experience isn't quantitative, it's qualitative. And when I do hire, I get enough Resumes across my desk that I end up with way more Resumes that are qualified. Read my post here >>67850400
If I need to call back only 33% and the 50% of resumes I have gotten are all about the same, it's literally coming down to the paper. And you're right, I know a few people who hire with a quarter on their desk for that very reason.
>>67852229
>first sentence
>>67852504
Oh yeah, let me learn fluent Spanish within the span of a few months so I can take jobs that require me holding conversations about technical support. Fuck off canacuck. My parents had the chance to teach me but never did. They can speak fluent Spanish themselves but my brother and I can't. My sister had to teach herself and take courses to learn it.
But that's what happens when you live in a 99% hispanic city with 1 in 5 being illegals.
>>67852372
Former recruiting fag here.
How often do you guys even attempt to verify work experience on those applications anyways?
My honest, best guess is ten percent of the time tops. Now I just tell everyone who cries on /pol/ about being NEET to fabricate 2 years experience. Its just the right amount of time to be believable, but they won't drill you and expect you to know everything.
Globalization means the working/middle class of 1st world countries will get fucked, that's just how it it is.
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>>67850531
sorry to hear that anon. keep your head up.
rooting for you
>>67852386
In America only companies bigger than 50 employees have to adhere to Title VII.
Also you have to be proven that you're discriminating, which is reallly tricky to do.
Tldr
You don't know shit, that poster's sister is obviously smarter than he is.
>>67852372
>send out 150 resumes
>tailor resume to each job
>fill out extremely long online application with information already on the resume
kill me now
>all these fucking morons advising others to apply to jobs online
>surprised when they don't get them
What the fuck happened to walking in with your resume and asking to speak to a manager and actually selling yourself?
Find a place that's hiring, print off a fucking resume, walk into the place, and walk out with a job. It's that fucking simple. Holy shit. All you faggots that apply online are absolutely retarded and deserve every single rejection that you get. I would never hire someone that didn't approach me in person.
>barely graduate high school
>parents on my ass to get a job
>few call back about my applications
>those that do say I don't talk enough
>get diagnosed with an anxiety disorder
>parents finally off my ass
>apply for disability
>denied
>too much anxiety to use the phone
>parents wont call a disability lawyer on my behalf
>spend the last 8 years in my room
>the vain hope of "maybe it'll get better someday" keeps me from killing myself.
/blog
>>67852759
no you're just a gay retard
>>67852738
>How often do you guys even attempt to verify work experience on those applications anyways?
Only when it seems like an outright lie. I've caught one or two before. In my line of work, I'm supposed to report that shit, but I haven't.
>>67852504
He shouldn't have to learn a fucking foreign language for menial jobs in an English speaking country
all the better reason to be self employed.
Be a producer in society, not a wageslave.
>>67846481
>parents tells me to walk in apply with resume on hand and give firm handshakes
That's actually good advice though.
>>67852870
Your 9 to 5 job should be finding a job, until you actually find one. Hope that sentence made sense.
>>67846481
I work a shitty security job but I'm a fully trained mechanic. I took my boomer parents advice to walk in with my CV and shake their hands and they just look at you like a retard and tell you to go online.
>>67852674
since you seem to be particularly stupid, let me put it another way
you are an employer. you are looking to hire someone, but you cannot use IQ, criminal history, or race as a determinant, and legal requirements also force you to hire someone with 2 years requisite experience in the field to avoid lawsuits (a lawsuit would also bankrupt your business/get you fired.)
if you make a poor decision, you will lose your job. if you hire someone TOO good, you will be replaced. what do you do, and how do you hire? what kind of candidate do you hire?
please describe the information to me in detail. because this is what businesses and managers deal with, essentially. by the very structure of it, the best people are more or less denied a spot.
>>67852897
>anxiety
Nice excuse there bro. The reason you haven't done anything is because you don't want to and you never, ever will.
Might as well just do it.
>>67852897
Can you get disability payments for that? Or did you just get rejected because the system can't currently support you.
>>67852897
learn programming like the autist you are and design an app.
Programming seriously isnt that hard.
>>67852459
>1865
wow I had no idea of the time frame.
lincoln was assassinated less than a week after the end of the civil war
>secret service founded
>wall street founded
that was the beginning of the end of the united states.
>>67846481
I literally got a job by talking to someone in my other job. Getting jobs is talking to people.
>>67852871
9 times out of 10, when I "just walk in in person" to apply to a place they tell me "oh just apply online"
>>67852964
Knowing a language is just a skill like any other. If the place he's living requires that skill and he's not will to get it, he should consider moving someplace else.
>>67852738
Depends. 10% sounds about right. We'll mostly focus on asking for transcripts and proofs of certifications. To make sure that you do have the degree you're claiming to have.
I personally don't give a shit/ don't have time to play detective on your past work experiences. Trust me, any decent HR person and your future boss will see through your complete bullshit, IF and only IF you don't study up on your "fake jobs".
Sources - myself, I've lied on resumes when I got out of college, because I did not do any internships, and only worked doing small jobs.
be self employed m8s
made $90 today without leaving my room
not pretending like that's some kind of amazing, life changing sum, but at least i didn't have to see any normies
>>67850060
>I was hungry but now I'm not
most honest restaurant review ever
>>67852897
I love you, anon. Similar situation. At least when you sleep the dreams take you away.
>>67852871
who fucking knows anon. The autism of millennials is starting to trickle up into the higher echelons of society, maybe?
>>67853036
>UK
>economy
HAHAHHAHAHAHA
>>67852947
I fucking knew it. You cheeky bastards..
>>67847949
If you spell "went" with an apostrophe, no wonder nobody hired your stupid ass
>>67852495
Watch who you're talking to and his other shitposting posts. He's baiting you.
>>67852447
>Assuming everyone in this thread are unsocial neets
Different cities have different standards and methods on hiring. Back in the Woodlands/Houston all I had to do was post my resume and there'd be staffing agencies looking for jobs for me. (Ended up getting a job like this. The other times I had interviews and they liked what they saw.)
Meanwhile back in my home town Brownsville almost no one replies back towards applications or there's a "You passed our 2 hour long pre-assessment. We'll contact you if for an interview if HR deems you worthy" and you get no e-mail or phone call.
It's fairly easy to get a job in cities as long as you make yourself presentable but in other cities you never will because you won't have 10 years of experience in unpacking boxes like Juan across the boarder does.
>>67852964
It's practically Mexico down here. There's employees at the local super-store that can only speak Spanish. Plus illegals take lots of the entry jobs because the owners are Mexicans themselves and aren't scared to pay under the table. I know this from first-hand experience. This city is fucking shit and I can't wait until they all get deported. Can't wait to move back to civilization.
Also the Canadian posting you're responding to is a shitposter, ignore him.
>>67852897
anxiety isnt a real disease. it's a symptom of something else. get diagnosed properly.
>>67853179
how? Selling shit online?
>go into job interview
>"Tell me about yourself"
>>67853134
>Knowing a language is just a skill like any other.
No it's not. Takes a special kind of person to just up and decide to learn a language and succeed. And it's extremely difficult to maintain if you never actually use it in the early stages.
>>67853076
You can but most people get denied if they apply on their own.
>>67853066
I wasn't aware laziness gave you panic attacks. The more you know.
>>67848362
Connections really are the way to go--LinkedIn, despite being a "corporate Facebook", honestly can at least get you a few "contacts" in the world who are not NEETS.
>>67852613
Phone interviews are pretty fun honestly. No need to worry about posture or eye-contact. Just warm up your vocal cords before your conversation and practice your responses. Ezpz.
>>67852897
Mark yourself as african american on your disability application. You'll get accepted.
If it comes back on you just claim you're trans-racial.
>>67853129
Stop applying to fucking Starbucks or McDonald's then, ya goof.
>>67853134
You're right it is a skill, the point is his job prospects shouldn't be severely lowered just because Pedro doesn't want to assimilate and learn English in a country that he should be grateful he's in.
>>67852738
Why don't you just copy the job description onto your resume?
>>67853303
Well sir, I had keys to the store at my last job. I'm highly motivated and responsible, too. Like I always say, "If there's time to lean, there's time to clean!" Now, allow me to focus my attentions mostly on your cock/balls area.
>>67853139
You work for a hospital?
Also this ->>67853225
>>67853225
Knew what? We check?
Or that we don't give a shit if it happens? I work in law. When I get a fake Resume, I'm supposed to report it to the relevant Bar association and get the person reprimanded or kicked out. I'd rather not have to deal with that headache, but I know of a person who's gone through the process before. Fuck a kid's life up pretty good. But the kid was lying about some heavy shit. Don't lie about working for a Judge, kids.
>>67849825
Clearly the answer is to get a sex change.
>Work at Burlington Coat Factory
>Co-workers tell me 5 years ago most positions were FULL TIME.
>fast forward to 2016
>they cut everyone's hours by more than half
>"CREATED MORE JOBS HURRRR"
>less benefits
>everyone is now miserable
>people have to work 2-3 jobs just to barely get by
>there is no hope in sight
There is no hope. I understand why people turn to heroin.
>>67853331
>I wasn't aware laziness gave you panic attacks.
It's called "you're a fucking nervous wreck and you need to man up and sort your shit out." Unless you have some kind of brain cancer, aneurysm or tumor it's all in your head.
Go face your fears.
>>67853047
Actually, I have interviewed and hired employees (I assume you haven't). I hire employees based on 1) the KSA's listed on their resume, 2) verification of those KSA's via an interview, and 3) seeing whether they will be a good fit for our corporate culture, again via that interview.
All of those other things (IQ test, race, whether they will eventually replace me [???]), etc. are not factors that cross my mind.
I expect another bizarre reply, this time though I will have to decline to respond. At some point people are just too far gone.
>>67853364
Small businesses don't want me because I have a too-long-gap in empoyment (>3yrs). That and I have no certifications or job experience besides working in restaurants and call centers
I would just kill myself but, you know
all the jobs i've actually gotten are when i walked in in person and talked to people. one i didn't even have a resume.
>>67853486
But then you're just working for heroin! Well, it does give the days purpose.
>>67853364
Starbucks has one of the best Human Resources strategy out there.
Seriously, they are fucking AWESOME.
Can't even compare to Mcdonalds
If you're a NEET, you should probably take baby steps and maybe join a church or community of some sort to practice first. Volunteer work is good too, anything that will let you interact with other people.
It's not hard, just try to make others happy. Eventually you should build up enough self-confidence to apply for a degree/certificate or a entry level job.
The answer to how do I get an entry level job after years of NEETdom is that you basically don't.
>>67853244
this is true. but a good professional is hard to find. most of them are tabula rasa sophists who rush you off to a psychiatrist to sell you drugs that can't pass alpha.
unless he has a very specific type of problem, e.g. dopamine disorder, almost no one is likely to help the poor lad.
>>67853306
it is, though. it's partially practice, partially a function of iq in adulthood. if you can't do it, you only have yourself to blame, honestly.
it's like exercise. some people have better genetics, but anyone can be decent looking. people are just lazy, unlike a labor market that has externalities, language learning is a purely personal capacity.
>>67849921
How big a "family"? 40K is enough for a single person, maybe a couple if you don't like to go out much, but I don't know about kiddos.
>>67853287
no, i did that a few years ago and it was a pain, ebay are fucking kikes
it was some freelancing stuff i'd rather not get super into (don't want to encourage more direct competitors), but this shit is out there though
just don't be a nigger tier neet, have some pride
>>67853564
Let's start our own business making cat trees to sell online. OH SHIT IF WE CALL ONE "DRUMPF TOWER" WE CAN SELL IT TO REDDIT FAGGOTS
>>67853224
I don't consider getting a job as something for only "the higher echelons of society," though. I was taught from a young age that you will very rarely ever get a job by applying online. Even if you're asked to email in a resume to a particular person, it could pay to actually visit that person whose job it is to look at your emails. It'd catapult you right to the front of the line for actually having the good sense and the "balls" (I can't believe we're at a point where it's considered ballsy to apply for a fucking job in person) to actually go in person.
God damn. I'm a fucking millenial myself. Seeing my peers struggle with something this simple is fucking astounding.
>>67852666
I run a grocery department. And I do both
>>67849963
Don't forget the MLP stickers to put on the backs of the envelopes. I got my Wall Street corner office that way!
>>67853452
No I work for a Manufacturing company. So I mostly look for and interview engineers.
I also deal with hourly workers, and trust me, America is fucked when it comes to work ethics.
>>67853564
You're just not selling yourself. That 3 year gap wouldn't be a problem if you simply explained it correctly. "I didn't want to work, I was burned out from my previous job and supporting myself doing X, now I would like to contribute to your business" should get you right over that one.
Read >>67851773
>>67853224
Only local mom and pops job do filling out paperwork and handing the manager's hand. They usually send you to an online portal to apply or through a 3rd party staffing agency. This isn't the 60's anymore.
>>67853364
This extends beyond just retail or entry level jobs you shitposter. Lab technician jobs I worked at all went through online posting. Either from Indeed.com, Monster, or even craigslist. These would then make you send your resume via them or send you to a staffing agency's website. I think only once in my life had I needed to personally go and apply to a job and that was because it was made by Mexicans who didn't know what the fuck a computer was. (local job)
>>67853544
>ksa
you work for the government, then?
>corprorate culture
sure, buddy. that's a code word for personality. which has nothing to do with qualifications
>>67848362
>>67846481
Ive gotten all my jobs by either walking in or applying online. never had trouble either.. I think you guys just don't know how to write a nice cover letter.
>>67853026
I wasn't commenting on the time, but the tediousness.
>>67853645
But I'm dumb. I'm assuming you mean stuff that takes an iota of skill or intelligence, like graphic/web design or coding/programming
>>67850679
There are so many more reasons for not being "overqualified", I can't even get into them. Clearly you are NOT.
Usually because they think you're just "slumming" by taking that job while you look for something you really want.
>>67853378
You should do exactly that, but you have to re-word everything so if they run it through some software it seems like you wrote your individualized resume yourself.
Its retarded and redundant, but thats what they are looking for. In my experience, at the end of the day, they are just looking for someone who can actually do the job and shovel shit with a smile on their face. The second part is probably more important.
TL/DR - IMO most jobs are just looking for someone who presents well and seems to have it together.
>>67853815
>tfw wasting my time giving good advice to NEETs who don't actually want a job anyway and/or are too stubborn to actually take any advice
I should be charging for this shit.
>>67853696
Be sure to use Twilight and AJ
Convey hard work and very smart
>>67853772
I don't think I ever met a hiring manager or someone in charge of hiring, that wasn't an overseer of some kind, know what the culture at their company was. HR seems to be so out of the fucking loop that it's amazing they're even functional.
>>67850869
> implying we asked you what Chinks do
>>67851508
Engineering internships should always be paid unless you're some dumb nigger who only gets coffee and printer paper...
>>67853677
I mean to say that employers are starting to catch the tism, too, not just NEETs/underage betas. I know that all of my employers have been over the age of 50, and all of them have hired me in person, for example.
also
>implying I'm not a millennial
>>67853756
I worked at a government lab about 4 years ago. they hired me illegally, and I bungled the database, but they couldn't write me up for it because I wasn't even supposed to have access, kek
the problem is that for positions like this, they have unusually high turnover. any decent position is going to be filled internally.
I love how all the cucks against me in this thread assume I'm unemployed. I was hoping they'd actually address my other points, but they won't, and they can't
they're just the useful idiots in their organization
>>67853914
I'm not being stubborn, just pragmatic/truthful. Should I lie to myself and lie to everyone I apply for a job with instead?
>>67846481
lazy cunt
>>67853772
KSA is a common term used in industry.
>personality...has nothing to do with qualifications
A candidate's personality, attitude, whether they work well with others, etc. is definitely a qualification and a big determining factor in whether they will make an effective employee. There's a reason they call them social skills - they are skills that can be learned, like other "soft" skills.
>>67853486
In certain states, companies are required to provide benefits to workers if they put in more than a certain number of hours. As a cost cutting measure, companies make nearly everyone part time as a way to skimp on paying out. It isn't like people are going to unionize or anything and collectively bargain with the employer.
My dad told me that when he was in high school it was common for 2 guys to get an apartment together while only working part time jobs during the early 1980s.
Today? Impossible.
>>67853643
A normal family, obviously I wouldn't be the only one working.
>>67854060
Yes, if you can back it up with skill and include enough weasel words behind your "experience" that you can explain the discrepancy away if they call you on it.
>>67851426
> walking around to all the businesses, and even the ones with "now hiring" signs didn't end up hiring me.
You neglected to mention that you weigh 500 lbs and smell like Rosie O'Donnell's cunt
>>67854060
Pretty much. That's what all of the wagefaggots do. Then be prepared to get motivated and give your office job 110% while the boss' nephew gets paid twice as much as you while handing off all of his work on you. Watch your boss make completely fucking retarded decisions, and punish anyone who does dissents even politely. Have fun! Remember: Today is the first day of the rest of your life!
>>67853772
Ok, you seem like the type of person who just thinks everyone is out to get them.
Trust me, if you're the best qualified for the job, you will get it.
Stop thinking you're not getting jobs because you're a white privileged man, you sound like an idiot
>>67854006
I'm just not familiar with the internship market in the US. We don't really have unpaid internships here at all (actually, they're illegal if you're doing work that a paid employee would do).
>>67850525
>Being an asshole is the 21st century "firm handshake" apparently.
No, you seem to overlook the fact that you actually stood out from the lot, in my experience having critical thinking (avoid being an autist though) and not being afraid to speak out is key for people to get interested in you.
No competent CEO or director want to be surrounded by asshole, in fact the most competent ones attempt to have the sharpest tools in the box nearby.
>>67853756
>handing the manager's hand
where did you get his hand to begin with?
>usually
yeah, usually advertising is done online, but short of that there should be nothing wrong with showing up.
>parents only ever get on my ass about not having a job
>despite having a sister whose also a NEET but has been one for 5 more years than I have
>finally found what I wanted to do with my life and started learning programming while she sits on her ass watching let's plays
>I'm the one who gets called lazy and a bum
>>67853967
HR are useful idiots to defray organizational risk/costs
they give tehm some sort of bullshit directive that suits their needs, whilst kowtowing to buzzwords
corporate culture basically is just an excuse for higher managers to reject the candidates HR advances, without needing to tell HR they're fucking idiots. then, when the lawsuits about diversity happen, the higher ups pass the blame onto HR, saying that the HR director was the racist, not him.
lol.
that said, corporate culture does exist, to a certain extent. it's a function of the finance structure, old vs new corporations, innovation vs snset, etc.
has nothing to do with hiring or personality, like the idiot above is suggesting.
>>67853464
My suspicion, from my time working as a recruiter, was that even huge companies rarely verify an applicants employment history.
I know that for hospitals this is not the case because obviously they have HIPPA and other issues that would require their people to be who they said they were.
Certainly law is under this umbrella as well. But I think most pollacks looking for work won't have a JD, so it obviously wont apply to your situation.
Good on you for having a player job though.
>>67846481
>be NEET for a couple of years because of an accident
couple of years? what the fuck did you do? i hope you understand this sounds like an excuse.
>boomer parents told me to get a job
which you should fucking have anyways, you silly entitled goose.
>apply on the internet
you seem to be the type to be on the computer all the time anyways, how hard can it be for you to post a resume?
>no replies not even one
and?
>parents tells me to walk in apply with resume on hand and give firm handshakes
best advice to get hired. they're right.
>mfw
mfw entitled NEET kids post on /pol/ pretending their life is hard and bring nothing to the /pol/ table. Go to reddit, they're more your values.
This child is an example of why socialism doesnt work. People willing to sit on their ass for crazy amounts of time just not working and doing their own shit themselves, waiting for their free shit because they believe they're entitled to it. I'm glad i stopped being a child after i got out of high school....incredibly pathetic to see people like this.
>>67854312
I will date your sister and ruin her life, anon.
>>67853742
>work ethic
most people want to work hard. you have to motivate your work force.
excessive bureaucracy really takes the wind out of most hourly workers' sails.
>>67854171
>Yes, if you can back it up with skill
That's my point, I cant.
>>67846481
Is there any chance to get a coop in places like IBM or Amazon? They say if they respond, it`s gonna be after a couple of weeks at least. I`m not sure about applying as much as possible. At least, for now. I don`t want to miss an opportunity. Am I doing it wrong and should just apply to everything I find?
>>67854312
>sister
>let's plays
...
>>67854390
This. Have five different ways for me to write down my clock-in/clock-out, having redundant systems for checking files in, and making me do the work of other people who have enough pull to never, ever get punished makes me basically work like shit even though I had nothing but the company's best interests at heart.
>>67853881
most recent job, hiring manager was incredulous that my resume matched the job description.
>>67854428
Tell me something. Do you think you could run a stock inventory? Dozens of different products, shipping orders, receivals, using an Excel spreadsheet?
>>67854133
That is completely possible if you live somewhere cheap. Move on up to idaho
>>67854434
>a coop
no, afaik Amazon and IBM were never into cooperative farming/housing. Good try though?
>>67853800
>tediousness
Haha mate you're in for a shock
>>67852688
>And you're right, I know a few people who hire with a quarter on their desk for that very reason.
What exactly does this mean?
>>67854595
lol, co-op is a Canadian term, it just means internship. But I can't tell if you already knew that.
>>67854312
How old are both of you.
>>67854580
Sounds like simple organization so yeah maybe. The problem comes when they ring up previous employers
>>67854033
Sounds about right but I'm skeptical about a government job that you were illegally hired at. Was it purposely or a fuck up on someone's part?
And yes, companies post internal positions a month before they publicly post it. I was actually hounded a few times to take over another tech's position that was leaving because her tests she ran were the hardest in the lab and the supervisor didn't trust anyone else but me. It ended up sucking my soul out and I quit because I was constantly told "Anon, your numbers are the lowest from the 3 shifts. Work on it." Meanwhile 2nd shift would not follow the ASTM's which would fuck up the machines for my shift. Supervisor didn't care because his numbers were extremely high.
>>67854276
I should've been asleep a while ago, whoops and there is something wrong with showing up, at least in my line of work. The manager isn't the one in charge of the techs and the supervisors aren't directly in charge of hiring. Going there and showing up will get you a "Nice to meet you. Please go away until HR decides to begin the interviewing process" People are busy, especially in labs, and don't want to be bothered by someone who hasn't even been interviewed. My supervisors have told me themselves that they look at people who do that funny. It's just out of place now. If you want to stand out, sure, but it'll probably backfire. You have a better shot at making your resume stand out and calling it a day.
>>67852726
Well, in this day and age, knowing Spanish is ONLY a plus. I hate Spics too, but if you want that paycheck, it could make the difference someday.
>>67854652
It means you flip coins.
>>67854595
I meant college internship actually, they call it "co-op" here. I`m an IT student, programming to be precise.
>>67850531
at least your not a nigger?
>>67854691
So you've got the right mindset. Apply your experience and skills to other tasks the company does/might do. Use enough weasel words when talking about your "experience" that you can explain away the discrepancies and project confidence, and you'll find yourself a job.
>>67854084
>a few words scrawled on a piece of paper is a comprehensive assessment of employability
are you REALLY that stupid?
>>67854248
employers are claiming that there's a skills shortage. there's not a shortage of paper qualifications coming from university. that means they're REJECTING the qualifications.
so they turn to personal networks. oh, hey, there IS a hard limit to personal networks.
I'm not sure how you can honestly claim that
1. the labor shortage is real
2. qualifications aren't institutionally worthless
3. your lack of qualifications is what denies you the job
4. but the surplus of qualified individuals, with valuable institutional certifications, can somehow coexist with the labor shortage
you're literally an idiot
Boy am I glad I went into the trades. Get $59 and hour plus healthcare and pension through my union. plus. anything after 40 hours is double time. feels good being able to provide for the senpai
>>67854390
Oh yea... We pay people $14 /hr and they fucking sleep during orientations, pull out their phones, bitch about 20 minute paid breaks, don't meet efficiency quotas on their machines.
Thank god those people are Temps and we can kick them to the curb as soon as we see what type of people they are.
>>67852870
This is a major, major P I T A of job-hunting (as if the process isn't soul-killing enough as it is). Thankfully, in recent years, I've seen a few that only ask the very basics until they decide they want to interview you, and then they send another web form wanting more but by then you at least know they are quasi-interested.
>>67854844
>>a few words scrawled on a piece of paper is a comprehensive assessment of employability
>are you REALLY that stupid?
Uhh, no, that's the point of the interview, as I said.
>>67852871
>Find a place that's hiring, print off a fucking resume, walk into the place, and walk out with a job. It's that fucking simple. Holy shit. All you faggots that apply online are absolutely retarded and deserve every single rejection that you get. I would never hire someone that didn't approach me in person.
Clearly you haven't tried for an "office job" in about 5 decades--these days, everything is security-carded and you literally cannot even get into the receptionist's foyer without someone buzzing you in.
>>67851195
This, fucking useless these people. I have been with NEATO for 5 months 'anon you need to try harder, people like you are really in demand'
kill me
>>67854733
>>67854674
>leaves
>>67854704
you have a better shot not being a punk ass bitch
>>67853303
>"I like to carry Pepe's"
>"Excuse me sir, you like to carry what?"
>"P-pepe's, I always carry them in my pockets would you like to see?"
>>67854617
>tediousness
I worked at a nuclear power plant. Probably a more tedious environment than any here.
>>67846481
Go to a security Academy, you'll be work that evening... As long as you have a clean record and aren't a total dipshit.
>>67853077
Maybe it isn't, but every programming job requires a minimum of 3 years' work experience.
>>67854725
It's irrelevant unless you're in positions where you interact with customers/clients. If you're going to be an engineering or a Technician and everyone speaks fluent Spanish then your ability to speak it means nothing. If you become a manager and you deal with Spanish clientele then it is important but for the majority of Americans it means absolutely nothing.
The more north I moved the less and less I heard Spanish until I stopped hearing it entirely. Jobs didn't even say "Bilingual desired/required" anymore to boot.
It's only an issue in cities with high Mexicunts or jobs that have a large clientele in Spanish speaking countries.
I will concede that it's useful to know just in case.
>>67855006
10/10 retort anon, did you learn it from your time at /b/?
Recent grad studying for the lsat.
>i should get a part time job to save up some money before i go into law school
>lets try some office jobs... hmm they all want at least 2 years of experience. I will just apply anyways.
>hmm no responses. I worked in a kitchen before. I have experience there. Lets apply at all the restaurants near me.
>no responses? I guess I will to to that home depot hiring fair. Working with a bunch of high schoolers is better than not working.
http://globalnews.ca/news/2582904/home-depot-hiring-fair-draws-huge-crowd-of-job-seekers/
Line out the door with tons of people from all walks of life. Goddamn is it rough in Alberta.
>>67855012
>filename
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuMoy8rECKY
>>67853472
senpai, gross
>>67853179
Wow, $90/day...almost $30K a year if you do it 6 days a week. We'll upgrade your yacht any day now.
>>67855041
So lie what are they going to do if they catch you, not hire you?
>>67855155
why the fuck does 4chan auto correct f a m to senpai?
>>67855108
>/b/?
no, made it myself
>>67855192
Fire you and sue you three years later when you fuck something up and they're looking for an excuse to bury you.
Outright lying is a very bad idea, you just need dem weasel words.
>>67855233
smdh tbqh familia
>>67855233
Because youre a cuck fampai
>>67853357
I literally have thought of doing this. You can always claim you marked the wrong box; by that time the NAACP is literally dumping boxes of cash on their heads so they must hire you.
>>67855320
literally
>>67854704
the lab manager was an idiot, but she needed to hire someone on her career track to have legal access to the database. but she didn't want anyone encroaching on her position, because she would have been replaced quickly.
so instead she hired me for a junior position on a different track "legally" through an internal memo, then had me doing work of an entirely different sort, and fudging all the numbers.
government work, at your service.
I didn't intentionally fuck up, that was my fault, but I did it with her reg info, so she HAD to take the blame, or admit to hiring me illegally. kek.
again, government "work."
I've heard it's not too different in teh private sector. so whenever someone jacks themselves off about how "hard working" the are, or how everyone else si scum under their boot, I tend to think of someone like my old boss.
people always protect their own internal positions/power in the absence of comprehensive performance reviews/solid hiring metrics.
again, i'd LOVE to see some of the naysayers tell me an actual refutation. they can only levy insults. they have no idea how actual office dynamics work. I imagine a lot of them got shoved into back offices to bear the brunt of someone else's workload at cost
>>67854248
>>67854172
It's so hard to tell who's trolling and who is really this pathetic in these threads.
Shave your fucking pube beard and take a god damn shower, go to bed and wake up early tomorrow. Walk in to your prospective workplace around 10AM and speak to someone on charge of hiring or with some say in it and leave them your resumé. Its how I've gotten literally every job I've had, never taken more than a week of searching.
You won't believe how many pathetic fucks come in and hand me a crumpled resumé that looks like shit and take off without trying to sell me on them. Into the trash it goes. Have some fucking confidence.
Quality over quantity faggots
who invented HR and for what purpose?
>>67853564
What did you do for 3 years? Fap into 2-liter bottles? Show them photos to explain it.
>>67855414
So much this. The level of lazy beta NEET in this thread is hurting my soul.
>>67855389
Sounds about right. I've been ordered to handle tasks that I wasn't allowed to but oh well. an orders and order. Half this thread is people baiting other people anyways.
>>67855459
the jews, to subvert the white race
>>67854912
and so when you're sorting through resumes for the interview, you sort on the basis of those words they scrawled?
again, either you're admitting your sorting mechanism is flawed, or you're an idiot.
my point stands, institutionally, there is not a functional pricing mechanism for labor. so people use personal contacts.
>>67850031
>move
>with what money
fucking leafs
>>67855293
>>67855276
ive clearly been under a rock. ive never noticed this till just now.
GAS THE BOOMERS
GENERATION WAR NOW
>>67846481
I'm sorry to say but networking is the only way to get jobs.
No joke. I applied for so many places in the UK and got like 2 responses.
I sat in my friends white van whilst he was on work (with approval from his boss), and mentioned I was searching.
His boss gave me a position on the spot because my friend vouched.
Same happened when I moved here; I got a job simply because an employee I met at a party recommended me after I mentioned I was looking.
It sucks that its basically preferential treatment:the business for almost every industry.
>>67854844
First of all you're fucking retarded.
>I just got a diploma I'm the most qualified person for the jobs
No idiot, a diploma doesn't get you to be the most qualified for the job. Guess what? Only 20% of Americans have a college degree. Why would anyone hire a kid out of college with little work experience over someone who has 10+ years of it with no college degree?
Labor shortage is real. Industries vary idiots. Some industries have hard times finding people with the skills to do the jobs. How is that hard to grasp?
Qualifications are what guarantees me as an employer that you'll be easy to train, and that i will get a return on my investment (PAYING YOU) after I train you. If you don't have those, then my investment will be longer, and risky. Simple as fuck.
Once again, there are thousands of jobs and millions of industries. You seem to not understand that.
>>67848362
It does work that way. Every entry job I've been in, I got it because I walked in with confidence, stared him in the eyes, introduced myself and shook the manager's hand like a man is supposed to. Got the jobs a few minutes later.
It feels like you are doomed to be unemployed forever if you don't know anybody who can get you a job and you're also a shy introvert
I'm not made for this world
>>67855459
Men created HR so they would have an excuse to hire women they could fuck on the side.
>>67846481
>be me
>live in small american town
>all my friends are either unemployed, drug dealers or strippers
>jobs all taken by 30 year olds
>>67853967
And HR in tech companies are the absolute worst--they think they are Bill Gates if they can change their font in Word, and yet they are the ones screening for tech workers..
>>67855675
>>67855706
Fuck off and kill yourselves you goddamn useless retards. Nobody owes you a job, go do something fucking useful to contribute to society.
>>67855414
>Walk in to your prospective workplace around 10AM and ... leave them your resumé.
>Its how I've gotten literally every job I've had, never taken more than a week of searching.
If you're looking for something that pays better than what you get working the fryers and cleaning the grease traps, you apply online. No position of any skill accepts applicants that just throw a resume at someone in person.
>>67855683
Men created HR because women suck as engineers.
>>67854084
>KSA is a common term used in industry.
Maybe in Canuck-land; I still don't know what you mean and I've been in the working world for over 20 years
>>67855540
>and so when you're sorting through resumes for the interview, you sort on the basis of those words they scrawled?
Yes, obviously. Those who are under-qualified become immediately apparent from reading their resume, those who appear to be qualified but actually aren't are weeded out during the interview process, and then perhaps I'll call a couple back for a second interview before making a final decision.
I thought this process was common knowledge, but apparently not.
>Turned 18 and got out of school a couple of years after recession began
>Recession only getting worse
>Menial store jobs get 400+ applicants
>All recruiting is done through recruiting offices due to all the retarded job security laws
>mfw I'm told to "just show up, make a good impression and hand in your resume to the boss :^)"
>>67855706
Don't you know how to sell drugs?
>>67855459
Ford, who was a Nazi. So you should probably idolize the function
Im 30 now and I have been struggling for the last 12 years to land my 'dream job'. I never had a problem getting a regular, bottom of the barrel entry level job. I am going to give you some insight and advice to get your parents off your back and get you working.
Firstly, dont get mad at your parents. Parents want to see three things from their offspring. 1) that they see to becoming educated in university or college. 2) that they get a job. At first it doesnt have to be a good job. They just want you to get out into the world, take on responsibility and gain experience and a lay cheque. 3) make gains. they dont want you to stagnate into a dead end lowly job, or even worse. Being unemployed.
Dont be picky. You have to realize that when you are 17-23 any work is good work, because this is where you make your bones. The guys and girls that take a job at a grocery store stocking shelves or working a till and dont work hard are the ones that end up staying, or bouncing around from shit job to shit job. Treat your first couple jobs seriously, and work hard. Put in 40+ hour weeks and take other peoples shifts when theyre sick. Always show up 10 minutes early. You dont want to be the guy that shows up 30-20 minites early because your coworkers will know you are a backstabbing brown noser, and dont show up late because you will get a reputation for being tardy. 10 minutes early is the sweet spot. Always do something extra, by going above and beyond your duties. This could be done by really being friendly and courteous with a customer by helping them out. If you do this often, one day one of them will put in a good word to your supervisor or even better your manager. This is the way you build a reputation as the total worker. Your on time. You work alot. You are willing to sacrifice your time to cover for someone that is sick for the good of the company and you go above and beyond to make a customer satisfied.
>>67855675
Cheer up anon.
Take a voluntary course at something and just talk shit.
Like suffer through it. I know your pain anon, it sucks but you'll find so many opportunities just through random low-level employees.
Like a dominos I worked at just after high school; got it through literally asking a friend and a 2minute meeting with the manager, just "Ok you're hired, here's the satnav, uniform, you start work at 7-10 tonight".
High turnover because its shit pay but still.
I did that,they said everything was online application to apply...The only people that I know who had jobs as old as I am got them from parents,friends, or friend's girlfriend's parents.
>>67849212
For how long have you been working for free at an engineering job? That's horrifying.
>>67855659
maybe I'm arguing with someone else? it's hard to keep track.
some people are saying the labor shortage isn't real, and then blaming individuals for the economy. which is dumb.
another couple of individuals are saying that their hiring mechanisms are competent, which again, they aren't.
of course industries vary. the reality of the situation is, though, we've been in recession the last 7 years. there's a net labor shortage of about 7 years of population growth, and a situation where the market can't price labor.
employers are doing their best to hire the best candidate. but it's difficult, and a flawed process because of legal barriers. that's my argument.
>>67855877
literally go in a Walgreens and shake some faggot''s hand and ask if they are hiring. fill the app there and then online. call them. never stop calling them. God you guys are such fucking pussies
>>67855921
I want a real job. I have a college degree and I have years of experience doing shit tier jobs as a trained monkey at a pizza place and a landscaper. More experience doing retard work isn't going to make my resume look any better.
>>67855843
Maybe you're right - I suppose it could be used mostly here in Canada.
KSA is an acronym for Knowledge, Skills, and Abilities.
>>67855918
This is good.
Pity I love low-effort menial jobs.
I'm a manager at a shipping warehouse now, more stressful than driving around a white van selling crisps to cornershops.
>>67855767
The last place I worked at had a fair amount of HR employees and all of them were bossy as fuck. They expected us to drop time-sensitive tests to go to their office and do our time cards or something. I ended up never doing it because I quit on my 3rd month.
Fuckers hired me full time and for an entire month I got no hours. I even commuted 3 hours/50 miles throughout houston for them. Just TO the place, it took 50 miles and 3 hours to get back home.
I left to my home town and now i've been a NEET for 8 months. Life is fucking suffering but I'm trying to land a lab job back north so I can get the fuck out of here.
>>67856029
Beggars can't be choosers I'm afraid. The higher skilled position you want; the less positions there will be.
>>67855823
>tfw making $30/h for skilled labour after throwing my resume at somebody in person
>>67856029
>I have a college degree
>retard work
This is why you can't get a job you fuckwit. Your gender studies degree isn't worth shit and your attitude is bad.
>Be on set.
>Uncle is doing his thing with the mics.
>The actors are amazing.
>Uncle's boss says they need another guy for some pre-editing.
>"My nephew can do that real easily. I've been teaching him sound engineering for years."
>Do work for a multitude of studios now, and even got to work with a little bit of the latest Star Wars as a consolation.
I have no idea how to get a real job.
>>67855871
it's immediately apparent from reading a resume of a page or two in length, with a paragraph, who has actually performed the job?
wew lad, I wish I had psychic powers like you. unfortunately, most companies don't, which is why they fill positions internally or through connections.
maybe you should share your psychic powers, though. a lot of people would LOVE to have that.
>>67852688
If you're down to flipping a coin, why not hire the ones you think are most sympathetic or seem agreeable with your personality? Or do you do that?
>>67856149
I wasn't born with a bad attitude, it happened after I did everything I was told to do in order to have a decent living yet it's still impossible to find a job that pays better than poverty
>>67856204
That's how. You meet people and they get you hooked up.
>>67856149
Too true.
I have a BA honours in International Business and Management Science.
Nowhere would take me. Until I networked and accepted work that would be "beneath" me.
Granted I'm honestly content wherever I work. The only thing I care for is a mediocre salary.
>>67855965
>working free
kind of like that movie "Pursuit of Happyness", except with an $85k salary job instead of a multi-million dollar brokerage firm at the end.
>>67856059
>I was too lazy to do my time cards
>I am surprised that I did not get paid when payroll came around
rofl
Good job idiot
>>67856029
>>67856149
Seriously m8. I run my own business. The VERY first thing I see about you is:
Thinks his irrelevant degree makes him valuable; arrogant and lacking in life skills
Looking for a "real job"; is never going to be satisfied doing anything and will waste my time training him before he leaves again
Had solid, if low-skilled jobs, and left them because ??? Why is that again? Oh, you're too good to work as a pizza guy?
Well I guess you're too good to work for me and do what I need then too. Fuck off.
>>67856318
hey man, africans can't learn to read, or farm because of oppression
but you just need to work harder. can't you see it's your personality holding you back :^)
>>67856318
Too bad. Thats the world we've been left with.
The housing market is a fucking sham.
A min wage cuck could afford a house in the last century.
Now min-wage can barely afford a flat.
And higher education (uni and above) is almost entirely dropping in worth; with only a few courses being worth anything. And graduate jobs being flooded by too many applicants.
>>67847859
Use normal paper, fancy shit just make it suspicious.
>>67856384
If only life was as simple as you paint it my friend, obviously it's impossible that there's more to the story. Gotta practice on your bait though; the Aussies do it better and with more flair.
>>67856237
>it's immediately apparent from reading a resume of a page or two in length, with a paragraph, who has actually performed the job?
Yes, I'm looking for a certain skill set, a certain amount of experience in individual skills, and so on. If what is written on their resume does not reflect that but they actually, secretly do have those skills, that's a shame but it's not my problem (may they should consider better tailoring their resume to this specific job posting). If what appears on their resume does not meet the requirements I outlined in the job posting (or somewhere close to them), then their resume is discarded. If they do meet the requirements, they will be interviewed and the process I outlined earlier moves forward.
Again, thought this was common knowledge. It's always been my experience that this system works well.
>>67856384
Also they paid me. I have no idea where you're pulling that out of your ass from. Then again that's the only thing you've been doing
>>67855823
And never mind that you can't just "walk in and apply"--if you try to get past the receptionist without an appointment, you'll be escorted out by security. Assuming you could even get past the keycard door to the receptionist to start with.
>>67856370
Shut up.... I have a BA in Political Science and I make $60k a year. Which is around what 50% of engineers make where I work.
My friend who has 0 college makes $70k being a sales man.
The CEO of my old company had an English Major, then got his MBA after many years working professionally.
Only 20% of Americans have a college degree.
You're just not selling yourself right.
>>67856146
literally how
>>67856753
I'm not doing anything wrong. I'm a manager at this point. I just didn't get it through my degree.
I'm not saying it can't be beneficial bud. I'm just saying its easier to find jobs through networking.
And then the higher up you get; the more opportunities you find through more networking.
>>67849212
You are literally a slave
>>67855918
Most 'normal' people would think "why the fuck would i want to do all that for a shitty job". Youre doing it for 1) quick advancement which means more pay and 2) you really want your references from this job to pull through for you when you apply for a bigger and better job. That last few sentences is what they are going to say to your potential new employer. Remember that managers and supervisors only remember the good workers. People quit or get fired all the time at these lowly jobs and the ones that do the bare minimum are easily forgotten. If Tom worked at the grocer for three years pulling 32 hour weeks, never taking other peoples shifts and doing the bare minimum this is what his reference will sound like "so tell me about Tom. Gow did you like him". "Yea Toms a good guy...good worker. He worked here for awhile. Nice guy..." and here is someones reference thathas the ethics I had suggested. "So tell me about Steve" "Where to start? Heis my best worker and I wish he wasnt going. Always on time. Goes above and beyond to help customers. Very helpful team player. Always positive. Rarely, if ever complains...hes basically the perfect worker and I am sad to see him go".
There is a HUGE difference. These are references young people need yet so few get.
Shitty workers have a tendency to make up fake jobs and get phony references. Thwy think theyre being smart, but you cant fool a manager thats been doing his job for years, hiring people. He knows whats real, what sounds promising and what sounds like total farce. Besides...even if someone got hired by a phony reference, his true work ethic will prove unsatisfactory to everything his reference said he was. Most good jobs have a trial period. Youll get let go if you are a disappointment.
Honest hard work is the only way to advance.
>>67848362
If they don't like you then what?
>>67856763
>skilled labor
could be anything. just have to know who needs you.
>>67856418
>>67856029
To be honest with you, if your degree really is completely irrelevant to what you're doing, I would not even include it on a resume. Even if you spent 3 years on it. Accept that it was a waste of time and focus on things that actually make you valuable for the position you're after. Telling me you got your bachelors in gender studies with a minor in modern feminism, while you're applying for a 9-5 administrative desk job is just ignorant.
>>67856997
It fills a gap in your CV.
Empty spaces of unemployedness are viewed terribly where I work.
Even if its got "Travelling" or "volunteering" there its better than nothing.
Even if it is irrelevant.
>>67849212
>Georgia Tech
>working for free
I thought it was a good school. You must have passed with straight D's.
>>67849212
quit, 3 years working for someone with no pay is a loooong time,they probably don't care about you as a "employee",if they bring up pay once you say it then think it over.
>>67856149
Actually even an "irrelevant" degree will sometimes get you past screeners where all they want is a Bachelors in something.
Finishing college show you can finish what you start, because MANY do not. You might work at something having nothing in common with your degree, but having it is likely to at least get you past the first cut of resume screening.
Plus, now there's this big push for tech people to have Humanities enhancement, like those (to me, bogus) "Masters in Liberal Studies". Sometimes code geeks are too socially inept to even say hello to the client.
>>67857096
Leave the gap in there, and get yourself an interview. It's free conversational bait to explain what you spent your time doing, and you get to explain why you didn't include it. That'll give you more time to actually communicate and let the employer get to know you, as well as demonstrate sound judgement, levelheadedness and an understanding of what's important and what's not.
I can't speak for everyone else but in my experience getting an interview has never been a problem, and I've never once not got a job I interviewed for.
>>67857267
>now there's this big push for tech people to have Humanities enhancement
The unemployment rate of people with those useless degrees would say otherwise.
>>67856301
In this day and age, you could snoop them out on Facebook etc and see which ones appear to be cool versus a bunch of boring asses.
>>67850531
How/why did let yourself get into so much debt did you think you were going med/law school???
>>67857323
Mate I'm a manager I understand that. But the HR guys I know hate seeing gaps and don't ask those people in for interviews.
Plus a ton of places in our company do workshops instead which makes it more difficult for the new applicants to make an impression; instead of 1 on 1 time with the manager(s) deciding they get lumped in a group and do group activities. Some people naturally work better on their own; I mean my department is all about solo deliveries so I don't see why the HR guys insist on teamworking skills; we give these cunts a van-full of shit and tell them to drop it off at shops.
