>be NEET for a couple of years because of an accident
>boomer parents told me to get a job
>apply on the internet
>no replies not even one
>parents tells me to walk in apply with resume on hand and give firm handshakes
>mfw
>>67846481
Fucking boomers...
Here's some Old Economy Steve for ya.
>>67846481
Same here dude. Only way to get jobs online is to apply to literally EVERYTHING you're qualified for.
Walk-ins are daunting but if you just push through that anxeity and do it, you have a way better chance.
Also quantity over quality, apply to everything dawg
>>67846481
My parents didn't help me buy a car during high school and then they asked my why I wasn't going to college or working.
Who /overqualification trap/ here?
>>67847537
My parents didn't allow me to learn to drive because it took time away from studying.
>>67846481
No one wants some random walking into their workplace to leave their resume. It also takes away the point of the resume, which is to leave a first impression. It becomes you leaving the first impression. And if you're some NEET neckbeard, it's probably a bad first impression.
Buy a nice bit of Linen paper and Envelopes, make a very nice Resume, and mail your resumes out snail mail. It makes the same impact as walking in without any of the awkwardness.
>>67847757
It really fucked me over though because I enrolled in community college and wasn't able to go. Never wen't back.
>>67846481
The problem with applying online is filter software that reject your resume before a human ever sees it. Call up a staffing company and they can help you put your resume together to get past those filters.
>>67846481
are you following up with phone calls the next day? Then again the next week?
Because you should be.
>>67846481
>parents tells me to walk in apply with resume on hand and give firm handshakes
Yeah, it doesn't work that way anymore.
>apply on the internet
And it has NEVER worked this way, in the vast majority of cases.
Here's how it actually works now:
>Pick a good degree
>Do well in your first few years at school
>Secure a paid internship for experience
>Network at aforementioned internship(s), as well as with your classmates and extended family.
Today, jobs are gotten through connections. I haven't even interviewed for my last 2 jobs, and I'm only like 4-5 years into my industry.
>>67847949
Ride the bus, nigger... hell, even niggers ride the bus and walk.
Even I do it. Walk like 4 miles a day and eat a family size bag of lays.
Walking in is a good way to see if you'd like it there, but only if it's open to the public.
I've had 8 fulltime and 4 part time jobs.
Bring a resume, but meet your future boss before you get filtered out by the HR idiots.
>>67848362
and if you don't happen to land a good internship, or your internship doesn't offer you a job, you fall COMPLETELY through the net, and will never recover
we spend 4 years after highschool doing completely WORTHLESS shit, to prove a point. and then, none of it even matters. so why even go to college? they should just offer us unpaid internships during high school, and save us the trouble.
>>67846481
Here's advice for you: git gud.
>>67848672
I don't disagree with you on any point.
I don't know if it's everywhere in Canada, but I actually did do an unpaid internship in high school (half days for one semester of my senior year). It was at a computer repair shop, which was great for people skills and obviously the technical side (I now work in IT). I still list it on my resume!
>>67848595
I don't live in the city.
This shit belongs on r9k. Fuck off faggot
>>67848863
there is bus access to the city college. get a bike, ride to a bus stop.
look up the closest bus stop. it will go to the station which will transfer to the college
>>67849020
r9k is for relationships. the economy is inherently a political subject and beyond the control of most individuals, oh enlightened one
Only way to get a job is to work for free. I graduated from gatech 3 years ago with a mechanical engineering degree and have been working for GAPower for free since hoping that they might finally give me a paid job.
>>67846481
My mother didn't let me get a job until i got out of high school
>>67849212
Move to China, at least you'll get paid...
>>67848362
Okay dude we'll all just do that, gee whiz I was going about it the wrong way entirely. I'll just hit up my extended family tomorrow morning, I'm sure theyre asleep right now because they work in extremely powerful positions at various corporations
>>67846481
Also, how many jobs did you apply to online? Because if it was <30, you shouldn't have expected a reply. It's a numbers game, and there's many people out there like you.
>>67849335
GO make friends.
>>67849409
and this is where the argument breaks down
it's not about how good of an engineer you are. it's whether you have friends with jobs or not.
so why even bother with school?
this topic is a non-starter. people with jobs feel superior and entitled, no matter how they got them.
this is why the economy will shut down eventually. hope you enjoy getting killed by niggers and communists, because this is what happens when you refuse to empower the white working class.
>>67849641
Exactly I'm about 10x the engineer my sister is but since she's a woman she's entitled to a 100k a year job whil I'm working for free at GAPower. I made way better grades than her in school and she regularly calls me for technical advice.
>>67849335
>they work in extremely powerful positions at various corporations
You really have no idea how the world works. Your uncle might know 100+ people you've never met - by mentioning to him that you're looking for work, he may have overheard an opportunity, or at the very least now he's on even a casual lookout. You've just extended your network.
Maybe your cousin is a carpenter (as an example). He may be able to get you a $13/hr job moving shit around, enough to pay the bills some bills in the meantime. Maybe the company you now work for does residential stuff, and you get to talking with a homeowner about how your real passion is X. Well, just so happens he works for a company that does X! Maybe you get an interview, or at least you've expanded your network again.
Sorry, but you have to be social and make your opportunities if you want to make it.
I used to work at Taco bell, here is how the managers hired people
>Stranger walks in
>Kid seems nervous, nothing stands out
>Single, lives with parents
>w/e they don't hire him
>Fucking skinny ass white kid with ear gauges comes through
>Was lobby at the time eaves drop
>"I just need work for my kid and her mom ya know?"
>more social, but comes off sleazy to me.
>He gets hired
>He constantly bugs me, smokes weed outside at night, could not do drive thru worth shit.
>Ends up in jail for other drug shit week 3
People hire who they like and who they know.
Pic related, still had it on my phone. Average week of complaints/compliments
If you want to fuck some one over at Taco Bell, those surveys actually hurt a lot.
Is 40k a year enough to support a family? Payed like 5k for dog grooming classes in the evening.
>>67847859
Yes!
Nobody has got a job by walking in to the place!
Tip of the day:
Buy linen evelope.
Any more brilliant ideas senpai?
Maybe some scent aswell? Cover up the
> Muh cheese curls smell
>>67849641
>>67849825
because school is where you learn how to work with others and you spend four years proving you can show up and follow the rules and work with others, while showing and interesting in your professional and social future.
You both make a lot of excuses for not applying yourself enough.
>>67848863
If you're in such a rural area where you can't even access public transportation then move.
>>67846481
We're sort of in a transitional period.
Just give it like 10 more years and all HR interaction will be online only. Right now there are still a lot of old school people who expect you to come in and talk face to face with them and all that shit.
>>67849641
>why even bother with school
Because like it or not, they actually teach you things that 99% of people either can't or won't teach themselves. Oh, and if you want to be taken seriously in an interview, you need a diploma.
That's reality, and arguing about it isn't going to change things, no matter what you think is "breaking down".
>>67849904
Forgot Pic
>>67846481
oh, sorry... i thought this was a carl thread. my mistake.
>>67847154
damn right about that,
last year i got an internship after
spamming around 150 online applications
its just a fucking numbers game
>>67846481
>>67847626
Keep 3 resumes.
1. Truth resume
2. Lie resume - underselling
3. Lie resume - overselling
>>67849921
>Is 40k a year enough to support a family?
Obviously depends on where you live, judging by your flag I'd say yes unless you're in a very high density area. But you won't be living in luxury.
>>67846481
>>parents tells me to walk in apply with resume on hand and give firm handshakes
>>mfw
Maybe a phonecall first, but that's actually pretty good advice.
>>67849921
>>67850162
>tfw 60k is only just barely enough to exist as a single male in australia
>>67849963
You joke, swedeboy, but a nice piece of Linen paper makes your Resume stand out.
90% of the resumes that a person like me receives are qualified for the position. I can only meet with about 33% of the applicants. I might be able to whittle down to about 50% with a good cover letter, but I need to see something that goes above and beyond to make that last choice.
>>67850060
>Taco Bell is love, Taco Bell is life
ITT: First world problems
>>67850009
school doesn't teach you how to cooperate. stop being a sophist.
the institutional mechanisms for rating and assessing competency have broken down. since hte institutions are no longer accurate measures, people have to risk social connections because schools are currently unreliable.
applying yourself and cooperating has very ltitle to do with your network of friends, and especially of family.
go to china, and tell someone who doesn't have family in the communist party that they just need to work harder.
we've turned into communists, and if you have half a brain, you'll recognize that fact
>be NEET for few years
>get turned down for a dozen jobs
>go to my 15th or so job interview
>drop all polite manners and give zero fucks
>tell them that if they don't hire me they're retarded and give them reasons why
>get a call that I'm hired 2 days later
Being an asshole is the 21st century "firm handshake" apparently.
>tfw 60k in student loan debt
fucking dad, why did you have to farm in the 80s and go broke. fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkk. then you have to die on me my 2nd year in college? mother fucker.
miss u tho
>>67850165
>>parents tells me to walk in apply with resume
>that's actually pretty good advice.
Maybe if you're applying for t-shirt folder.
>>67850165
>>67850165
>Implying high school grads and Straight-to-college grads have a resume worth a shit.
>>67850492
>>muh institutional mechanisms
>>67850046
the reality is also that a nigger can murder you in cold blood with no consequences. I guess you better "toughen up" and accept it, right?
>>67850060
>Taco Bell is love, Taco Bell is life.
>>67850571
It's not a bad idea for a smaller private owned company, for big companies it wont work.
>>67847626
The only way being overqualified can hurt you is if you ask for way more money than they're willing to pay you.
>>67850581
Brilliant counterargument
>>67850587
I have no idea what the point of your reply was.
I assume you're not working. All I'm doing is trying to give OP and some others a bit of advice, you can take it or leave it. But your attitude won't help you.
>>67850400
What if I mail you a nice trilby as well?
>>67847859
This. Just walk down to a mailbox and mail some resumes if you really want to use the time.
>>67847949
Check out this LOW ENERGY fuck. I walked to grad school in the snow, kiddo.
>>67850581
there are various. in korea samsung doesn't even hire people who went to college, they just use iq tests and hire the brightest.
in america, iq tests are illegal, so for a long time they used schools and looked for your scores on, say, mba exit tests.
but those then also got watered down. they don't indicate how well a person can learn (which is what they want.) so the only proxies they can rely on are previous work experience, and social networks that risk reputation.
if you deny that reality has a structure, you're just being an idiot. people look for the best information they can find. when information is unavailable or outlawed, because of regulation, they find workarounds.
this is old fucking news. my parents grew up in china. this happened there in the 70s, and it fucked china to hell and back.
>>67850755
You don't have any arguments, they are just excuses... That is my point. You sound as bad as you probably smell.
>>67850580
This is moreso what I was getting at
>>67850644
>It's not a bad idea for a smaller private owned company
Big corporate places obviously not, but if you're still figuring out how to apply for a fucking job then you're never going to get there anyway.
Start small.
>>67850679
Not true, many employers will not hire people they consider over-qualified because they believe those people will leave the second the "real" opportunity the applicant is looking for comes around.
>>67850165
>No phone calls please
>>67850883
Can you read the poster IDs? You must be drunk
>>67850854
There are no bus stops here were I live, don't live in the city.
Have you tried walking in to a store, giving the owner a firm handshake and expressing your earnest desire to work for him?
I have no interest in becoming a wageslave, but that sounds like it could work.
>>67846481
Just keep applying, it'll take about like, 6 months.
I just got a job that pays well, and I hardly do shit.
I spend most night shifts making too much money and catching up on DS games.
>>67850400
>Yfw stack of linen envelopes is put on your desk
>>67850952
>there is no bus service where I live
Wow, what a completely insurmountable challenge. If that's the best excuse you can come up with, I think you just really don't want to work anyway.
>>67850943
Yeah... I can and I am.
Point still stands.
>>67851008
businesses are literally rolling over monthly inventories and downsizing at the moment. most places are literally not hiring, and job growth doesn't even meet immigration needs, let alone US population growth.
it took 7 years after 08 before the lost number of jobs were recovered, and in the ensuing 7 years, there is a jobs deficit equal to the total population growth for the period.
>>67846481
Same here but instead of parents it's my employment provider
>Anon, how long have you been looking for work?
2 years
>Well something was obviously wrong. Have you fixed your resume? You need to sell yourself!
So I fixed my resume and sent it to hundreds of people
>No luck finding anything? You should go to the place in person and talk to them. It is more guaranteed! :)
I go to many stores, talk to them give them my resume and still no calls.
>Months later, anon it's not my job to find you work, we are only here to give you steps and guidance. You have to put yourself out there, have you tried networking? :)
WHY THE FUCK DO THESE CUNTS EXIST???
>>67851008
>Have you tried walking in to a store, giving the owner a firm handshake and expressing your earnest desire to work for him?
I think you watch too many movies or something.
>>67850531
RIP sad anon's dad.
>>67849212
Oh god, I hope this isn't true. You're never going to get an employment if you show them that you're this much of a cuck
I got my job by applying online and then walking and speaking with the manager. Next week he asked me to come for the interview and hired me. Nobody reads the applications, you need to show some more activity than just spamming some emails.
>>67850679
No, it's not all that common for STEM hirers not to hire the most technically proficient because they're worried he'll become too powerful or too influential. People prefer one rock star per workplace.
If you're told you're too confident (they'll use words like opinionated, aggressive or "bossy" if you're female) during your interview, it's likely exactly this has happened to you.
>>67851129
I do have a job and work.....
>>67851185
>posts strawmen, non sequiturs, and ad hominems
>says I'm the one who has no argument
Your mom must have drank heavily when she was pregnant with you. It's okay if you're lashing out to feel better about yourself, it's not your fault
>>67846481
First job is the hardest to get since your resume is pretty much blank. If you have no prior job experience, then you HAVE to know somebody who works at where ever you're applying.
>>67851195
this didn't even work pre-recession. I remember when I was in highschool, walking around to all the businesses, and even the ones with "now hiring" signs didn't end up hiring me.
in the end, I only got restauraunt work, and it was via a buddy.
boomers need to die painful deaths, broadcast publicly.
good fucking luck. took me 5 months to find my current job after graduating. only just now was i "promoted" to a comfy cash register in an air-conditioned room. dont ask me what i was doing before this promotion. only reason i got this is because i said im quitting and they didnt wanna lose someone like me who had a good record
>>67851107
I've only had 2. Hired them both.
Had a few Ivory paper Resumes, and they were alright. I prefer Linen. It just feels crisp and classy.
>>67850158
why would you undersell?
>>67851343
By taking advantage of even unpaid internships while in school, you are accruing valuable experience that can leveraged towards other opportunities. Other employers have no idea you weren't paid.
>>67851185
Also I notice you still haven't responded to the guy who you were originally arguing with, who makes some fine points to counteract your cuckold slave morality >>67850869
Maybe you're just as dumb as you sound
>>67850239
with a job, yeah. I have learnt to survive as a neet on 28k/year. its a matter of cutting out the ridiculous service industry.
>need a new bed frame
>500 fucking dollars for the base model?
>hungry
>a sandwich costs 10 fucking dollars?
>make own
>car broke down
>240$/hour mechanic?
>he wants to charge me for 5 hours labor to replace a timing belt?
>he thinks an oil change takes a full hour of work?
>he adds on an extra hour lubricating my door latches?
>learn to repair car
but yeah, in australian jobs they expect you to get to work an hour early and finish an hour late.
it costs a lot of money to work. uniforms, transit, climate control so that you will sleep in ridiculous heat or cold to be rested for tomorrow. so that you can live in a non shit tier home that is easy to clean and maintain. you end up with no money left over and no time to actually do anything yourself forcing you to pay ridiculous service charges for everything.
>>67847537
>>67847757
Well my parents wouldnt buy me a car let alone spend the time of day doing that for me.
My mom had plastic surgery and my dad had cocaine to buy.
>>67848829
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>>67851379
You're just looking for someone to unleash your powerlevels on. That is my point. You're just complaining.
>>67851371
Made an assumption based on the thread.
>>67851195
Sounds like you got a shit employment coach, my one seems to understand that there isn't much around here locally and that I'm in the age bracket (20) where retail doesn't want you because you cost too much and aren't old enough to of got a decent education yet.
But yes most of them do suck dick.
>>67850531
sorry anon, i didn't ask for these feels.
>>67851611
You should address the arguments posited by the guy you were originally arguing with instead of projecting so thoroughly
>>67851617
Yeah, that was after high school.
Let me give all of you some solid advice.
Take a look at business owners. They are constantly meeting new clients, drumming up business, spreading a good reputation. It's not how you might imagine, "you own a business do you don't technically have a job."
A business owner's job is constantly, almost daily, applying for new jobs and getting them. How do they do it? They send emails, they make phonecalls. They discuss a client's needs. They go and meet them in person, find out what they can do for that business, and find a way to provide it at a reasonable cost.
Getting a job is no different. It's not going there with your hat in hand, asking "can you please find something for me to do and pay me for it?" It's "I heard your business does X, I have Y skills and I feel I would be suited for Z task. I [saw your job offer] / [heard about your business] and would like to contribute. Would you like a copy of my [resume] / [services and quotes]?"
Business owners' lives are one long continuous stream of job applications and salary negotiations. Approach it the same way.
I have never had an interview in which I did not get the job, and now I'm running my own consulting business.
>>67851488
If you are desperate to find a job to pay bills as an in-between for a real opportunity. Employers do not always hire advanced candidates for lower level positions for various reasons.
>>67851511
as the above poster mentioned, many bosses PREFER dumb people because it guarantees that their position in the office remains secure
then, you end up with dumb people in positions of influence and with experience, looking down on smart people, and then businesses collapse and you get a recession.
again, this happened in china. old news, you would think, that if smart people held influence, these mistakes wouldn't be repeated. but it's repeating, so that says something about the people who have jobs, doesn't it?
>>67851488
If you're a nuclear biologist with 7 phds and you have to settle for working at kmart because the economy sucks dick.
>>67850869
I do not deny that reality having a structure.
It absolutely does.. but you have to be persistent, social, and not fucking weird.. which is not likely characteristics of someone on 4chan.
Are you somehow surprised that natural selection exists within the human race?
>>67851107
>eggshell with romalian type
>>67851475
>Linen resumes
You're an idiot. Managers only hire the best candidate 50% of the time. You should be replaced with a fucking quarter.
>>67851195
In what field?
Not even unqualified work?
2yrs?
Have you considerd Going to the place anon?
Just don't be an autist 100% of the times
>>67851773
Also, putting out job ads is often a last resort for a business. The last two jobs I had, they created a position for me and expanded the business into my skillset. Don't assume that because you can't find a job ad, the company won't be hiring.
>>67851735
You have anime memes.. People can tell you watch anime. That's your fucking problem dude.
>>67851848
or just learn to be a quiet shy reserved person. talk to noone. everyone will like you. this is literally a normie tier personality you need to learn to present at work.
>>67851773
Excellent advice, let me try to sum it up:
Don't go to employers asking them what they can provide for you, tell them what you can provide for them.
>>67851828
>kmart
do they give you a drug test to make sure you're using?
>>67849825
Weird. My sister was an eletric enigeer for gapower.
>>67851848
>just get a job you loser!
>hahahaha I was almost gonna give you a job but I see here you're kind of weird good luck kiddo
>>67851195
>WHY THE FUCK DO THESE CUNTS EXIST???
They need jobs, too, friend
>>67851848
the legal structure of meritocracy has broken down, having caved to political correctness. because of this, meritocracy cannot function, and the allocation of jobs doesn't depend on reliable market information, but on personal contacts.
that has nothing to do with "being weird." again, during the communist revolution, when commies gave all the jobs to their family, it ended up being that the most vile and violent of the communists ended up being the ones wit hthe most power, and therefore, the best jobs.
and as a consequence, china was fucked up for 80 years straight.
meritocracy is more important than idiots like you being kings of your ant hill. if you want to live in a communist country, please, move to russia. but allow the rest of us to live in a free market, please.
>>67851954
>he has a problem with anime memes
Go to sleep, reddit
>>67851811
I gotta ask, are you working?
You seem to be doing a lot of complaining, conspiracy theorizing, and generally feeling sorry for yourself. You make your own destiny, and talking about China, etc. on an online forum is not going to help you or anyone or anything.
>>67852128
Stop being weird and get a job.
Fucking idiot with your cartoon memes.
>>67846481
>engineering job
Got a job offer one week after getting called. I applied for an entry-level position, which I was overqualified for.
It's a bold move, but I think you end up getting offered less.
>>67852252
Dude, I don't have a problem with anime... the professional non degenerate world does.
I work in HR
The company I work for does us Monster and Indeed. I do take time to look at those resumes and evaluate them here are some big red flags that will make you in the "C pile" (A is sure yes for interview, B maybe, C fuck no)
Bouncing from Job to job - red fucking flag. If we hire you you're only going to start being profitable when you're trained, which depending on job takes 3-6 months.
Not catering your resume to the position - Work experience or just experience in general can be drawn from every day life. You can really stretch those simple experiences into a quality that we are searching for and spelled out in the job description.
Grammar, shit compositions - that's obvious
BTW I deal with a lot of engineers, so I'm sure a lot of you guys can relate
>>67849825
you should have had a gap year and been diagnosed with a disability. this elevates you above a woman because HR goes sploosh and cums all over your resume when they realise what amazing sensitive diverse people they will be for hiring you.
also how the fuck do you think you will get a job out of this. the bean counters see a guy working for nothing. his work is good. he takes 0$ from payroll. books are balanced. business is good. the only way you can get paid is to apply for another job. indicate that you are worth more to them than your salary. which is currently 0$.
if only you had a small loan of a million dollars
>>67846481
Parent's told me the same thing so I told them fuck off and now I'm moving back with my sister that's in another city. I moved back home to help out my mom with my brother that I ended up putting in Juvie for assault. There's no jobs here besides minimum wage retail bullshit. I was a lab technician with 1 and a half years of experience and was fairly employable. I regret my decision to come back down. Parents just don't understand that I have the deck stacked against me. Everyone here expects me to speak Spanish and when I don't it severely limits the jobs I can get but on top of that there's illegals or people with 5 years in stocking taking up jobs. Can't compete with that shit.
>>67852056
They just give you the crack directly as payment. It's what allows you to remain sane while working menial job like that.
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>>67852357
Did you get raped by an anime or something? Maybe reddit is more your speed, I hear they hate anime there
>>67850469
>ITT: First world problems
At least in the third world there is no shame in eating bugs and drinking sceptic water. Any given nigger will still hookup and have 7 kids.
In the USA there never ending shame if you aren't rich, and you are just a scoundrel if unemployed.
>>67851773
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>>67851773
10/10 THIS
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LISTEN UP NEETS
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>>67851773
RIGHT HERE
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>>67851865
kek.
>1865
fuck that year t.b.h famalam
>>67852253
again, people like you literally have to ignore the structure of reality and economics in order to make their worldview exist
so instead of addressing information in the hiring market, you say that individuals are complaining, or have a bad attitude, or other personal attacks
if you idiots can't even understand labor market dynamics, how am I supposed to think you're anything but idiots attacking people out of spite?
>>67852393
>Everyone here expects me to speak Spanish and when I don't it severely limits the jobs I can get
Have you considered learning Spanish?
>>67852229
This guy gets it. Also, having a surplus of workers is fucking hell.
OP here. I don't hate my parents, they took care of me while bedridden and all, it's just they still think that present day life is as easy as 4 decades ago.
I'm planning taking up caregiving class since there's alot of elderly home near me.
>tfw Phone interview tomorrow for summer internship for grad program
fug I am worried lads
>>67852419
>>67852419
Good luck out there kiddo, you're fucked in the head.
If you really think people with joby jobs watch anime and sit on 4chan, then you are very mistaken.
>>67852495
I asked you a very simple question, but you keep going off on these bizarre tangents.
Keep going with your theories. I'll keep having having employment.
>>67849921
You need classes to wash dogs? I am not sure you can be helped.
>>67851877
>Managers only hire the best candidate 50% of the time.
At a certain point, experience isn't quantitative, it's qualitative. And when I do hire, I get enough Resumes across my desk that I end up with way more Resumes that are qualified. Read my post here >>67850400
If I need to call back only 33% and the 50% of resumes I have gotten are all about the same, it's literally coming down to the paper. And you're right, I know a few people who hire with a quarter on their desk for that very reason.
>>67852229
>first sentence
>>67852504
Oh yeah, let me learn fluent Spanish within the span of a few months so I can take jobs that require me holding conversations about technical support. Fuck off canacuck. My parents had the chance to teach me but never did. They can speak fluent Spanish themselves but my brother and I can't. My sister had to teach herself and take courses to learn it.
But that's what happens when you live in a 99% hispanic city with 1 in 5 being illegals.
>>67852372
Former recruiting fag here.
How often do you guys even attempt to verify work experience on those applications anyways?
My honest, best guess is ten percent of the time tops. Now I just tell everyone who cries on /pol/ about being NEET to fabricate 2 years experience. Its just the right amount of time to be believable, but they won't drill you and expect you to know everything.
Globalization means the working/middle class of 1st world countries will get fucked, that's just how it it is.
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>>67850531
sorry to hear that anon. keep your head up.
rooting for you
>>67852386
In America only companies bigger than 50 employees have to adhere to Title VII.
Also you have to be proven that you're discriminating, which is reallly tricky to do.
Tldr
You don't know shit, that poster's sister is obviously smarter than he is.
>>67852372
>send out 150 resumes
>tailor resume to each job
>fill out extremely long online application with information already on the resume
kill me now
>all these fucking morons advising others to apply to jobs online
>surprised when they don't get them
What the fuck happened to walking in with your resume and asking to speak to a manager and actually selling yourself?
Find a place that's hiring, print off a fucking resume, walk into the place, and walk out with a job. It's that fucking simple. Holy shit. All you faggots that apply online are absolutely retarded and deserve every single rejection that you get. I would never hire someone that didn't approach me in person.
>barely graduate high school
>parents on my ass to get a job
>few call back about my applications
>those that do say I don't talk enough
>get diagnosed with an anxiety disorder
>parents finally off my ass
>apply for disability
>denied
>too much anxiety to use the phone
>parents wont call a disability lawyer on my behalf
>spend the last 8 years in my room
>the vain hope of "maybe it'll get better someday" keeps me from killing myself.
/blog
>>67852759
no you're just a gay retard
>>67852738
>How often do you guys even attempt to verify work experience on those applications anyways?
Only when it seems like an outright lie. I've caught one or two before. In my line of work, I'm supposed to report that shit, but I haven't.
>>67852504
He shouldn't have to learn a fucking foreign language for menial jobs in an English speaking country
all the better reason to be self employed.
Be a producer in society, not a wageslave.
>>67846481
>parents tells me to walk in apply with resume on hand and give firm handshakes
That's actually good advice though.
>>67852870
Your 9 to 5 job should be finding a job, until you actually find one. Hope that sentence made sense.
>>67846481
I work a shitty security job but I'm a fully trained mechanic. I took my boomer parents advice to walk in with my CV and shake their hands and they just look at you like a retard and tell you to go online.
>>67852674
since you seem to be particularly stupid, let me put it another way
you are an employer. you are looking to hire someone, but you cannot use IQ, criminal history, or race as a determinant, and legal requirements also force you to hire someone with 2 years requisite experience in the field to avoid lawsuits (a lawsuit would also bankrupt your business/get you fired.)
if you make a poor decision, you will lose your job. if you hire someone TOO good, you will be replaced. what do you do, and how do you hire? what kind of candidate do you hire?
please describe the information to me in detail. because this is what businesses and managers deal with, essentially. by the very structure of it, the best people are more or less denied a spot.
>>67852897
>anxiety
Nice excuse there bro. The reason you haven't done anything is because you don't want to and you never, ever will.
Might as well just do it.
>>67852897
Can you get disability payments for that? Or did you just get rejected because the system can't currently support you.
>>67852897
learn programming like the autist you are and design an app.
Programming seriously isnt that hard.
>>67852459
>1865
wow I had no idea of the time frame.
lincoln was assassinated less than a week after the end of the civil war
>secret service founded
>wall street founded
that was the beginning of the end of the united states.
>>67846481
I literally got a job by talking to someone in my other job. Getting jobs is talking to people.
>>67852871
9 times out of 10, when I "just walk in in person" to apply to a place they tell me "oh just apply online"
>>67852964
Knowing a language is just a skill like any other. If the place he's living requires that skill and he's not will to get it, he should consider moving someplace else.
>>67852738
Depends. 10% sounds about right. We'll mostly focus on asking for transcripts and proofs of certifications. To make sure that you do have the degree you're claiming to have.
I personally don't give a shit/ don't have time to play detective on your past work experiences. Trust me, any decent HR person and your future boss will see through your complete bullshit, IF and only IF you don't study up on your "fake jobs".
Sources - myself, I've lied on resumes when I got out of college, because I did not do any internships, and only worked doing small jobs.
be self employed m8s
made $90 today without leaving my room
not pretending like that's some kind of amazing, life changing sum, but at least i didn't have to see any normies
>>67850060
>I was hungry but now I'm not
most honest restaurant review ever
>>67852897
I love you, anon. Similar situation. At least when you sleep the dreams take you away.
>>67852871
who fucking knows anon. The autism of millennials is starting to trickle up into the higher echelons of society, maybe?
>>67853036
>UK
>economy
HAHAHHAHAHAHA
>>67852947
I fucking knew it. You cheeky bastards..
>>67847949
If you spell "went" with an apostrophe, no wonder nobody hired your stupid ass
>>67852495
Watch who you're talking to and his other shitposting posts. He's baiting you.
>>67852447
>Assuming everyone in this thread are unsocial neets
Different cities have different standards and methods on hiring. Back in the Woodlands/Houston all I had to do was post my resume and there'd be staffing agencies looking for jobs for me. (Ended up getting a job like this. The other times I had interviews and they liked what they saw.)
Meanwhile back in my home town Brownsville almost no one replies back towards applications or there's a "You passed our 2 hour long pre-assessment. We'll contact you if for an interview if HR deems you worthy" and you get no e-mail or phone call.
It's fairly easy to get a job in cities as long as you make yourself presentable but in other cities you never will because you won't have 10 years of experience in unpacking boxes like Juan across the boarder does.
>>67852964
It's practically Mexico down here. There's employees at the local super-store that can only speak Spanish. Plus illegals take lots of the entry jobs because the owners are Mexicans themselves and aren't scared to pay under the table. I know this from first-hand experience. This city is fucking shit and I can't wait until they all get deported. Can't wait to move back to civilization.
Also the Canadian posting you're responding to is a shitposter, ignore him.
>>67852897
anxiety isnt a real disease. it's a symptom of something else. get diagnosed properly.
>>67853179
how? Selling shit online?
>go into job interview
>"Tell me about yourself"
>>67853134
>Knowing a language is just a skill like any other.
No it's not. Takes a special kind of person to just up and decide to learn a language and succeed. And it's extremely difficult to maintain if you never actually use it in the early stages.
>>67853076
You can but most people get denied if they apply on their own.
>>67853066
I wasn't aware laziness gave you panic attacks. The more you know.
>>67848362
Connections really are the way to go--LinkedIn, despite being a "corporate Facebook", honestly can at least get you a few "contacts" in the world who are not NEETS.
>>67852613
Phone interviews are pretty fun honestly. No need to worry about posture or eye-contact. Just warm up your vocal cords before your conversation and practice your responses. Ezpz.
>>67852897
Mark yourself as african american on your disability application. You'll get accepted.
If it comes back on you just claim you're trans-racial.
>>67853129
Stop applying to fucking Starbucks or McDonald's then, ya goof.
>>67853134
You're right it is a skill, the point is his job prospects shouldn't be severely lowered just because Pedro doesn't want to assimilate and learn English in a country that he should be grateful he's in.
>>67852738
Why don't you just copy the job description onto your resume?
>>67853303
Well sir, I had keys to the store at my last job. I'm highly motivated and responsible, too. Like I always say, "If there's time to lean, there's time to clean!" Now, allow me to focus my attentions mostly on your cock/balls area.
>>67853139
You work for a hospital?
Also this ->>67853225
>>67853225
Knew what? We check?
Or that we don't give a shit if it happens? I work in law. When I get a fake Resume, I'm supposed to report it to the relevant Bar association and get the person reprimanded or kicked out. I'd rather not have to deal with that headache, but I know of a person who's gone through the process before. Fuck a kid's life up pretty good. But the kid was lying about some heavy shit. Don't lie about working for a Judge, kids.
>>67849825
Clearly the answer is to get a sex change.
>Work at Burlington Coat Factory
>Co-workers tell me 5 years ago most positions were FULL TIME.
>fast forward to 2016
>they cut everyone's hours by more than half
>"CREATED MORE JOBS HURRRR"
>less benefits
>everyone is now miserable
>people have to work 2-3 jobs just to barely get by
>there is no hope in sight
There is no hope. I understand why people turn to heroin.
>>67853331
>I wasn't aware laziness gave you panic attacks.
It's called "you're a fucking nervous wreck and you need to man up and sort your shit out." Unless you have some kind of brain cancer, aneurysm or tumor it's all in your head.
Go face your fears.
>>67853047
Actually, I have interviewed and hired employees (I assume you haven't). I hire employees based on 1) the KSA's listed on their resume, 2) verification of those KSA's via an interview, and 3) seeing whether they will be a good fit for our corporate culture, again via that interview.
All of those other things (IQ test, race, whether they will eventually replace me [???]), etc. are not factors that cross my mind.
I expect another bizarre reply, this time though I will have to decline to respond. At some point people are just too far gone.
>>67853364
Small businesses don't want me because I have a too-long-gap in empoyment (>3yrs). That and I have no certifications or job experience besides working in restaurants and call centers
I would just kill myself but, you know
all the jobs i've actually gotten are when i walked in in person and talked to people. one i didn't even have a resume.
>>67853486
But then you're just working for heroin! Well, it does give the days purpose.
>>67853364
Starbucks has one of the best Human Resources strategy out there.
Seriously, they are fucking AWESOME.
Can't even compare to Mcdonalds
If you're a NEET, you should probably take baby steps and maybe join a church or community of some sort to practice first. Volunteer work is good too, anything that will let you interact with other people.
It's not hard, just try to make others happy. Eventually you should build up enough self-confidence to apply for a degree/certificate or a entry level job.
The answer to how do I get an entry level job after years of NEETdom is that you basically don't.
>>67853244
this is true. but a good professional is hard to find. most of them are tabula rasa sophists who rush you off to a psychiatrist to sell you drugs that can't pass alpha.
unless he has a very specific type of problem, e.g. dopamine disorder, almost no one is likely to help the poor lad.
>>67853306
it is, though. it's partially practice, partially a function of iq in adulthood. if you can't do it, you only have yourself to blame, honestly.
it's like exercise. some people have better genetics, but anyone can be decent looking. people are just lazy, unlike a labor market that has externalities, language learning is a purely personal capacity.
>>67849921
How big a "family"? 40K is enough for a single person, maybe a couple if you don't like to go out much, but I don't know about kiddos.
>>67853287
no, i did that a few years ago and it was a pain, ebay are fucking kikes
it was some freelancing stuff i'd rather not get super into (don't want to encourage more direct competitors), but this shit is out there though
just don't be a nigger tier neet, have some pride
>>67853564
Let's start our own business making cat trees to sell online. OH SHIT IF WE CALL ONE "DRUMPF TOWER" WE CAN SELL IT TO REDDIT FAGGOTS
>>67853224
I don't consider getting a job as something for only "the higher echelons of society," though. I was taught from a young age that you will very rarely ever get a job by applying online. Even if you're asked to email in a resume to a particular person, it could pay to actually visit that person whose job it is to look at your emails. It'd catapult you right to the front of the line for actually having the good sense and the "balls" (I can't believe we're at a point where it's considered ballsy to apply for a fucking job in person) to actually go in person.
God damn. I'm a fucking millenial myself. Seeing my peers struggle with something this simple is fucking astounding.
>>67852666
I run a grocery department. And I do both
>>67849963
Don't forget the MLP stickers to put on the backs of the envelopes. I got my Wall Street corner office that way!
>>67853452
No I work for a Manufacturing company. So I mostly look for and interview engineers.
I also deal with hourly workers, and trust me, America is fucked when it comes to work ethics.
>>67853564
You're just not selling yourself. That 3 year gap wouldn't be a problem if you simply explained it correctly. "I didn't want to work, I was burned out from my previous job and supporting myself doing X, now I would like to contribute to your business" should get you right over that one.
Read >>67851773
>>67853224
Only local mom and pops job do filling out paperwork and handing the manager's hand. They usually send you to an online portal to apply or through a 3rd party staffing agency. This isn't the 60's anymore.
>>67853364
This extends beyond just retail or entry level jobs you shitposter. Lab technician jobs I worked at all went through online posting. Either from Indeed.com, Monster, or even craigslist. These would then make you send your resume via them or send you to a staffing agency's website. I think only once in my life had I needed to personally go and apply to a job and that was because it was made by Mexicans who didn't know what the fuck a computer was. (local job)
>>67853544
>ksa
you work for the government, then?
>corprorate culture
sure, buddy. that's a code word for personality. which has nothing to do with qualifications
>>67848362
>>67846481
Ive gotten all my jobs by either walking in or applying online. never had trouble either.. I think you guys just don't know how to write a nice cover letter.
>>67853026
I wasn't commenting on the time, but the tediousness.
>>67853645
But I'm dumb. I'm assuming you mean stuff that takes an iota of skill or intelligence, like graphic/web design or coding/programming
>>67850679
There are so many more reasons for not being "overqualified", I can't even get into them. Clearly you are NOT.
Usually because they think you're just "slumming" by taking that job while you look for something you really want.
>>67853378
You should do exactly that, but you have to re-word everything so if they run it through some software it seems like you wrote your individualized resume yourself.
Its retarded and redundant, but thats what they are looking for. In my experience, at the end of the day, they are just looking for someone who can actually do the job and shovel shit with a smile on their face. The second part is probably more important.
TL/DR - IMO most jobs are just looking for someone who presents well and seems to have it together.
>>67853815
>tfw wasting my time giving good advice to NEETs who don't actually want a job anyway and/or are too stubborn to actually take any advice
I should be charging for this shit.
>>67853696
Be sure to use Twilight and AJ
Convey hard work and very smart
>>67853772
I don't think I ever met a hiring manager or someone in charge of hiring, that wasn't an overseer of some kind, know what the culture at their company was. HR seems to be so out of the fucking loop that it's amazing they're even functional.
>>67850869
> implying we asked you what Chinks do
>>67851508
Engineering internships should always be paid unless you're some dumb nigger who only gets coffee and printer paper...
>>67853677
I mean to say that employers are starting to catch the tism, too, not just NEETs/underage betas. I know that all of my employers have been over the age of 50, and all of them have hired me in person, for example.
also
>implying I'm not a millennial
>>67853756
I worked at a government lab about 4 years ago. they hired me illegally, and I bungled the database, but they couldn't write me up for it because I wasn't even supposed to have access, kek
the problem is that for positions like this, they have unusually high turnover. any decent position is going to be filled internally.
I love how all the cucks against me in this thread assume I'm unemployed. I was hoping they'd actually address my other points, but they won't, and they can't
they're just the useful idiots in their organization
>>67853914
I'm not being stubborn, just pragmatic/truthful. Should I lie to myself and lie to everyone I apply for a job with instead?
>>67846481
lazy cunt
>>67853772
KSA is a common term used in industry.
>personality...has nothing to do with qualifications
A candidate's personality, attitude, whether they work well with others, etc. is definitely a qualification and a big determining factor in whether they will make an effective employee. There's a reason they call them social skills - they are skills that can be learned, like other "soft" skills.
>>67853486
In certain states, companies are required to provide benefits to workers if they put in more than a certain number of hours. As a cost cutting measure, companies make nearly everyone part time as a way to skimp on paying out. It isn't like people are going to unionize or anything and collectively bargain with the employer.
My dad told me that when he was in high school it was common for 2 guys to get an apartment together while only working part time jobs during the early 1980s.
Today? Impossible.
>>67853643
A normal family, obviously I wouldn't be the only one working.
>>67854060
Yes, if you can back it up with skill and include enough weasel words behind your "experience" that you can explain the discrepancy away if they call you on it.
>>67851426
> walking around to all the businesses, and even the ones with "now hiring" signs didn't end up hiring me.
You neglected to mention that you weigh 500 lbs and smell like Rosie O'Donnell's cunt
>>67854060
Pretty much. That's what all of the wagefaggots do. Then be prepared to get motivated and give your office job 110% while the boss' nephew gets paid twice as much as you while handing off all of his work on you. Watch your boss make completely fucking retarded decisions, and punish anyone who does dissents even politely. Have fun! Remember: Today is the first day of the rest of your life!
>>67853772
Ok, you seem like the type of person who just thinks everyone is out to get them.
Trust me, if you're the best qualified for the job, you will get it.
Stop thinking you're not getting jobs because you're a white privileged man, you sound like an idiot
>>67854006
I'm just not familiar with the internship market in the US. We don't really have unpaid internships here at all (actually, they're illegal if you're doing work that a paid employee would do).
>>67850525
>Being an asshole is the 21st century "firm handshake" apparently.
No, you seem to overlook the fact that you actually stood out from the lot, in my experience having critical thinking (avoid being an autist though) and not being afraid to speak out is key for people to get interested in you.
No competent CEO or director want to be surrounded by asshole, in fact the most competent ones attempt to have the sharpest tools in the box nearby.
>>67853756
>handing the manager's hand
where did you get his hand to begin with?
>usually
yeah, usually advertising is done online, but short of that there should be nothing wrong with showing up.
>parents only ever get on my ass about not having a job
>despite having a sister whose also a NEET but has been one for 5 more years than I have
>finally found what I wanted to do with my life and started learning programming while she sits on her ass watching let's plays
>I'm the one who gets called lazy and a bum
>>67853967
HR are useful idiots to defray organizational risk/costs
they give tehm some sort of bullshit directive that suits their needs, whilst kowtowing to buzzwords
corporate culture basically is just an excuse for higher managers to reject the candidates HR advances, without needing to tell HR they're fucking idiots. then, when the lawsuits about diversity happen, the higher ups pass the blame onto HR, saying that the HR director was the racist, not him.
lol.
that said, corporate culture does exist, to a certain extent. it's a function of the finance structure, old vs new corporations, innovation vs snset, etc.
has nothing to do with hiring or personality, like the idiot above is suggesting.
>>67853464
My suspicion, from my time working as a recruiter, was that even huge companies rarely verify an applicants employment history.
I know that for hospitals this is not the case because obviously they have HIPPA and other issues that would require their people to be who they said they were.
Certainly law is under this umbrella as well. But I think most pollacks looking for work won't have a JD, so it obviously wont apply to your situation.
Good on you for having a player job though.
>>67846481
>be NEET for a couple of years because of an accident
couple of years? what the fuck did you do? i hope you understand this sounds like an excuse.
>boomer parents told me to get a job
which you should fucking have anyways, you silly entitled goose.
>apply on the internet
you seem to be the type to be on the computer all the time anyways, how hard can it be for you to post a resume?
>no replies not even one
and?
>parents tells me to walk in apply with resume on hand and give firm handshakes
best advice to get hired. they're right.
>mfw
mfw entitled NEET kids post on /pol/ pretending their life is hard and bring nothing to the /pol/ table. Go to reddit, they're more your values.
This child is an example of why socialism doesnt work. People willing to sit on their ass for crazy amounts of time just not working and doing their own shit themselves, waiting for their free shit because they believe they're entitled to it. I'm glad i stopped being a child after i got out of high school....incredibly pathetic to see people like this.
>>67854312
I will date your sister and ruin her life, anon.
>>67853742
>work ethic
most people want to work hard. you have to motivate your work force.
excessive bureaucracy really takes the wind out of most hourly workers' sails.
>>67854171
>Yes, if you can back it up with skill
That's my point, I cant.
>>67846481
Is there any chance to get a coop in places like IBM or Amazon? They say if they respond, it`s gonna be after a couple of weeks at least. I`m not sure about applying as much as possible. At least, for now. I don`t want to miss an opportunity. Am I doing it wrong and should just apply to everything I find?
>>67854312
>sister
>let's plays
...
>>67854390
This. Have five different ways for me to write down my clock-in/clock-out, having redundant systems for checking files in, and making me do the work of other people who have enough pull to never, ever get punished makes me basically work like shit even though I had nothing but the company's best interests at heart.
>>67853881
most recent job, hiring manager was incredulous that my resume matched the job description.
>>67854428
Tell me something. Do you think you could run a stock inventory? Dozens of different products, shipping orders, receivals, using an Excel spreadsheet?
>>67854133
That is completely possible if you live somewhere cheap. Move on up to idaho
>>67854434
>a coop
no, afaik Amazon and IBM were never into cooperative farming/housing. Good try though?
>>67853800
>tediousness
Haha mate you're in for a shock
>>67852688
>And you're right, I know a few people who hire with a quarter on their desk for that very reason.
What exactly does this mean?
>>67854595
lol, co-op is a Canadian term, it just means internship. But I can't tell if you already knew that.
>>67854312
How old are both of you.
>>67854580
Sounds like simple organization so yeah maybe. The problem comes when they ring up previous employers
>>67854033
Sounds about right but I'm skeptical about a government job that you were illegally hired at. Was it purposely or a fuck up on someone's part?
And yes, companies post internal positions a month before they publicly post it. I was actually hounded a few times to take over another tech's position that was leaving because her tests she ran were the hardest in the lab and the supervisor didn't trust anyone else but me. It ended up sucking my soul out and I quit because I was constantly told "Anon, your numbers are the lowest from the 3 shifts. Work on it." Meanwhile 2nd shift would not follow the ASTM's which would fuck up the machines for my shift. Supervisor didn't care because his numbers were extremely high.
>>67854276
I should've been asleep a while ago, whoops and there is something wrong with showing up, at least in my line of work. The manager isn't the one in charge of the techs and the supervisors aren't directly in charge of hiring. Going there and showing up will get you a "Nice to meet you. Please go away until HR decides to begin the interviewing process" People are busy, especially in labs, and don't want to be bothered by someone who hasn't even been interviewed. My supervisors have told me themselves that they look at people who do that funny. It's just out of place now. If you want to stand out, sure, but it'll probably backfire. You have a better shot at making your resume stand out and calling it a day.
>>67852726
Well, in this day and age, knowing Spanish is ONLY a plus. I hate Spics too, but if you want that paycheck, it could make the difference someday.
>>67854652
It means you flip coins.
>>67854595
I meant college internship actually, they call it "co-op" here. I`m an IT student, programming to be precise.
>>67850531
at least your not a nigger?
>>67854691
So you've got the right mindset. Apply your experience and skills to other tasks the company does/might do. Use enough weasel words when talking about your "experience" that you can explain away the discrepancies and project confidence, and you'll find yourself a job.
>>67854084
>a few words scrawled on a piece of paper is a comprehensive assessment of employability
are you REALLY that stupid?
>>67854248
employers are claiming that there's a skills shortage. there's not a shortage of paper qualifications coming from university. that means they're REJECTING the qualifications.
so they turn to personal networks. oh, hey, there IS a hard limit to personal networks.
I'm not sure how you can honestly claim that
1. the labor shortage is real
2. qualifications aren't institutionally worthless
3. your lack of qualifications is what denies you the job
4. but the surplus of qualified individuals, with valuable institutional certifications, can somehow coexist with the labor shortage
you're literally an idiot
Boy am I glad I went into the trades. Get $59 and hour plus healthcare and pension through my union. plus. anything after 40 hours is double time. feels good being able to provide for the senpai
>>67854390
Oh yea... We pay people $14 /hr and they fucking sleep during orientations, pull out their phones, bitch about 20 minute paid breaks, don't meet efficiency quotas on their machines.
Thank god those people are Temps and we can kick them to the curb as soon as we see what type of people they are.
