What did Reagan accomplish besides AIDS and Crack?
Obama does math in a funny way.
Unless you verify this with a true accounting , it is probably fiction.
Another fiction is how Obama's team decided not to put the cost of food and energy into the rate of inflation calculation.
>>67825853
>reduced the anual deficit
>19 trillion in debt
:^(
>>67826132
>>67826157
Can you answer the OP?
>>67825853
>Go into office during recession
>Economy can only get better from hitting rock-bottom
>Best President
What about all that quantitative easing going on?
>>67825853
Remember when Reagan doubled the national debt? Oh, wait. That was Obongo.
Reagan faced a terrible crisis, much worse than Obama's one despite wat the medias would like you to think.
He faced double digit inflation and unemployment, debt, budget deficit.
He then passed his legendary tax cut which fully made its money back by the way, and healed the economy.
Obama's policies are exactly what conducted to the 2008 crisis, reckless spending, reckless borrowing...
>>67826414
Did anybody say that he was the best president?
What is with you people and putting words in everybody's mouth?
>>67825853
First president to 1 trillion debt.
>>67826526
Were the Ford/Carter Administrations that bad?
>>67826526
>Obama's policies helped cause 2008 crisis
>Obama came into office in 2008
wat
>>67825853
>tripled the stock market
Is this like tightening graphics?
>>67826737
Reagan: First president to 1 trillion debt. So effective at building debt that he managed this with a Democratically controlled Congress.
Dubya: First president to 2 trillion debt. GOP congress.
Dubya: First president to 3 trillion debt. GOP congress.
Reagan was the trailblazer for impoverishing everyone but the rich.
>>67826808
Not Obama, the policies of keynesian economists shared by Obama
>>67826808
he means Obama has been making policies such as the ones that eventually caused the 2008 recession.
A recession caused by both Democrats and republicans btw.
>>67825853
Iran-Contra.
>>67826804
Carter was a good president who had poor luck.
He got embroiled in a scandal over his advisor that wasn't his fault.
The energy and hostage crises weren't his fault.
Detroit's shitty auto industry's inefficiency wasn't his fault.
He didn't understand that honesty is not something Americans like. His "malaise" speech was a bad move.
>>67826911
What caused the deficit was medicare/medicaid and other stupid policies dems wouldn't give up
They even managed to limit Reagan tax plans, don't be fucking kidding me now.
Reagan ruined the US. Completely sold the country out to multinational corporations and the rich.
The US peaked under Eisenhower.
>>67827020
>he means Obama has been making policies such as the ones that eventually caused the 2008 recession.
>A recession caused by both Democrats and republicans btw.
Gramm-Leach-Bliley.
The bomb set up by three GOP fucks. Supported by the entire GOP and a good majority of Dems (although not all).
>>67826398
it's not back up by credible evidence. It can be refuted without evidence.
Wow, a market upturn after a crash? That's unprecedented!
>>67826499
Reagan actually did that too, but a doubling back in his day is nothing compared to Obama's doubling.
>>67827104
nice fiction
>>67825853
National Deficit != National Debt
He raised the National Debt by more than ANY other President in history. I'm not a Reagan fan either, he was a deficit spender as well.
>>67825853
but if you wish to play the pic game
>>67827236
Nope. Reagan was the path to ruin and his debt increase is something we've never recovered from. Dubya and Obama are just pounding the nail further down into the dying horse.
Well, you could say Reagan disbanded the USSR with his star wars bluff and surviving an assassination attempt at his age showed he was tough, something Russians deeply respect.
Other than that, nothing really.
>>67825853
He defied impeachment, despite Iran-Contra.
That's a little goddamned impressive.
>>67825853
>tripled the stock market
>good
Because replacing a housing bubble with a debt bubble is good. At least, according to Krugman.
>create 14 millions jobs
>after 45 million were lost
Thats not creating shit, that's recouping losses.
>>67827189
And defended to this day by bill clinton
I wonder if his defense is actually good
>>67825853
>implying presidents create jobs.
>>67828193
Clinton is trash. He literally let Colin Powell mutiny and get away with it.
>>67827733
>Reagan claimed credit for the collapse of the USSR
fixed
>>67826398
>Can you answer the OP?
Ended Cold War...but that's not really important now, right?
>>67827253
Over 50% of any given western countries budget is taken up by healthcare and benefits. Dont be fucking lying to my face now, you fucking yankee.
>>67827146
>Reagan ruined the US. Completely sold the country out to multinational corporations and the rich.
Bernie fag detected.
>>67828715
what you posted is fiction
healthcare is not the reason for Reagan's massive debt increase
>>67827523
Looks like a trend of recessions getting worse and worse each time. Are we heading towards Great Depression 2.0?
>>67828781
>Bernie fag detected.
Denial detected.
Sanders voted against Gramm-Leach-Bliley unlike your precious GOP which created it and treated it like it was their baby.
>>67825853
I love Obama as much as the next /pol/ster but to be fair those jobs are mostly min wage.
>>67825853
Do you guys think any president in history has had anal sex, or came on a girl's feet?
>>67825853
Allowed the jews full reign of the economy.
>>67828966
>Denial detected.
So are you denying that you support Bernie?
>>67825853
How do leftists believe the shit in OPs meme when the obvious reality can be found with just a few clicks?
Holy fucking delusional shill status, OP, you're a complete waste of flesh.
>>67828910
We absolutely are, and we pretty much only have the choice of three lunatics running for office. Pick your poison, it all is going to end the same.
>>67825853
i love how obamas nigger math on the deficit works.
here's a quick rundown for you with simple numbers that you can relate to.
>obama proposes spending $100.00
>negotiations start
>obama agrees to budget where he spends $90
>no money has actually been spent yet
>obama claims he reduced the deficit by $10
>>67825853
>What did Reagan accomplish besides AIDS and Crack?
Improve the military to have a realistic threat against SU
Took pride in Americanism that fueled the protest movements in the East
Spoke 30 years about reducing federal spending and balancing the budget. He didn't achieve it ultimately but his speaking points on this subject prevail
Besides 90% of criticism against him is just memes: drug war, star wars and aids of course
>>67828807
I didnt post that you illiterate newfag who cant read flags or ID, and secondly, yes its the fucking cause. If we could just abolish healthcare and benefits we could slash our budget by 50% and massively reduce debts and then taxation.
You weak willed lefties just want to suck on the taxpayers teat rather than work an honest job.
>>67828973
JFK did easily.
>>67829122
Bernie is in the race for one reason only: to drum up youth support for Clinton.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is easily fooled.
That said, anyone who would support the people who blew up the housing market (the one thing regular people invest in) is either a 1% predator, a 1% predator wannabe, or an idiot.
>>67829327
>and secondly, yes its the fucking cause
same fiction regurgitated
Won the cold war with a massive shift in mind set ie no more MAD. If not for him the threat of instant nuclear annihilation could still be around.
>>67825853
United the country more than any other leader in history.
Do I agree in the direction the he lead the country? Not exactly but at least he lead it in a direction.
He really was the great communicator
>>67829482
>Won the cold war
took credit for USSR's inability to remain solvent
>>67825853
The Iran-Contra Scandal.
>>67829470
Are you seriously arguing that reducing government expenditure by 50% would not lead to reducing national debt? Did you learn economics from a fucking monkey?
>>67829630
>United the country more than any other leader in history.
Hitler united Germany more than any other leader in its history.
>>67829844
keep changing the goal posts, Lucy
>>67829847
>not true by the way
>>67826132
let us dispel this fiction
>>67825853
why do millenials suck obamas dick so bad
>14 million jobs
How much you bet a lot of those were affirmative action putting unqualified niggers in jobs they don't know how to do and ruining business
>>67829704
Read up on STARWARS, most of Reagan staff wanted to keep MAD. HE was the one that ordered massive new projects the soviets could not keep up with and deeply feared
Anyone who claims the rise in the stock market as an Obama success can easily be identified as an idiot
>>67830085
>t-t-those jobs dont count XD
Kys shit for brains
>>67829919
I didnt make the original point, you stupid yank. I interjected to say removing these two costs for the government would have helped reduce the debts.
And that other yank was right when saying its mainly democrats who support state funded healthcare and benefits.
>>67830166
>HE was the one that ordered massive new projects the soviets could not keep up with and deeply feared
Cute story.
His goal was to enrich the industry, obviously. Same reason we went into the Middle East under Dubya to give no-bid contracts and buy/use all that swell "defense" equipment/personnel.
>>67830619
>I didnt make the original point, you stupid yank.
Regardless, you're dumb.
>>67830072
Because he's the only president they've ever known besides Bush and everybody buys into the "Bush is bad" meme
>>67825853
Obama's policies made the Great Recession last longer than it should have. And the job growth was meh. Most were part time jobs or low paying service jobs.
>>67830749
>Regardless, you're dumb.
Keep sucking government teat and never working, you lazy nigger. Then bitch about whitey opressing you because they are more succesful than you for some mysterious reason.
>>67825853
>reduced the annual deficit
while doubling national debt. Demtards so easily confused by the word deficit.
>>67825853
>split one job into 4 part time jobs
>I CREATED 3 JOBS!
>Nearly tripled the stock market
Funny, the Dow Jones has had its worst opening this year on record right has he's leaving office. Artificial numbers that won't even remain propped up for the duration of his last term.
That's how the Obama Govt operates.
>>67830749
> calling someone dumb
> not giving sources or credibility to any of your claims
Lol typical Coal Berner
>>67825853
I kind of favored his foreign policy since it was basically about bombing shit in various places, funding shit in other places but otherwise keeping American ground troops out of conflicts. I guess you can argue that some of his decisions in the Middle East had long-term ramifications but for the most part to me it seems like he accomplished American strategic objectives with minimal loss.
>>67831188
blah blah blah
red herring spewer
>>67827681
thats not true at all
>>67828910
I think we're just dragging it out
>>67831272
That's only for ~2 years though. Obama got voted into office in one of the worst recessions in the last 50 years.
>>67830383
If it's affirmative action then no not really.
Besides that was a rhetorical statement.
Le kye le shit for le brains XD XD
>>67829847
>Not Otto von Bismarck, who literally united Germany
>>67825853
introduced a restrictive gun law
amnesty for illegals
>>67825853
>created 14 million part time minimum wage jobs that mostly went to Illegals
>>67825853
Let's dispel once and for all with this fiction that Barack Obama doesn't know what he's doing. He knows EXACTLY what he's doing. Barack Obama is undertaking a systematic effort to change this country, to make America more like the rest of the world.
That's why he passed Obamacare and the stimulus and Dodd-Frank and the deal with Iran. It is a systematic effort to change America. When I'm president of the United States, we are going to re-embrace all the things that made America the greatest nation in the world and we are going to leave our children with what they deserve: the single greatest nation in the history of the world.
>>67831290
Took over 8 years to get the FED of ZIRP and we're still spooked after raising 25 bps
>>67831884
>>67825853
>>67826398
>>67826728
>>67826804
>>67827503
Something you have failed to notice about the 2008 economic crisis: In the later Bush years, the Democrats had control of Congress and created economic policies (such as relaxing regulations that made it easier to take out home loans) that caused the Subprime Mortgage Crisis, in combination with Bush's own failed policies created the recession. The economy almost didn't improve at all in the early Obama years when Democrats still had control. Once the Republicans took back the congress, the economy was showing clear signs of getting better.
>>67831380
Filthy fucking bolshevist.
>>67829712
>The Iran-Contra Scandal.
"Let's start with the part that is the most controversial. A few months ago I told the American people I did not trade arms for hostages. My heart and my best intentions still tell me that's true, but the facts and the evidence tell me it is not."
t. ronnee raygun
>>67832440
I'm sorry, marxism is so ingrained into the soft minds of leftists that many of our citizens can't help but being a stain on society.
>>67832239
>Something you have failed to notice about the 2008 economic crisis: In the later Bush years, the Democrats had control of Congress and created economic policies (such as relaxing regulations that made it easier to take out home loans) that caused the Subprime Mortgage Crisis
Let's see some specific legislation passed beginning from the ear of Democratic control of the Senate and House under Bush. I'll wait.
>The economy almost didn't improve at all in the early Obama years when Democrats still had control.
You mean the first,what...11 months, if even that? You fail to mention that Democrats were not at the super-majority level for any significant amount of time, as well. So, no there was no true "control", just another rightwing myth.
>>67828660
>making puff speeches about and playing hardball with a nation that was folding in on itself to begin with
>somehow credited with ENDING THE COLD WAR
i hate this meme
>>67825853
It's up to 72 straight months now.
THANKS OBAMA!
The longest streak on record.
>>67826132
>Another fiction is how Obama's team decided not to put the cost of food and energy into the rate of inflation calculation.
Source?
No of course not. You right wing retards just make shit up.
>>67826414
Republicans crash economy. Democrats fix it.
>Let's elect Republicans.
- pol/tards
You can't make this shit up.
>>67826499
AHAHA REAGAN TRIPLED the national debt.
Obama didn't even double it.
WOW!
Why are right wingers such fucking retards?
>>67825853
Brady Bill
Amnesty for three million
>>67833568
Use labor force participation, you conniving Jew.
>>67825853
The graphic doesn't even have accurate information about Obama and doesn't even try to compare it to Reagan.
Over 16m jobs were created under Reagan. This represented an increase in the labor force of 17.6%. Over 9m jobs were created under Obama. This represents an increase of 6.8%.
Reagan's economic reforms resulted in 25 years of nearly uninterrupted growth with growth rates regularly well over 3%. Obama's economic reforms have resulted in consecutive growth rates which never exceeded 3%.
Reagan inherited a $74b deficit (the last budget we can full attribute to Carter, 1980) and left a $155b deficit (the last budget we can fully attribute to Reagan, 1988). Obama inherited a $459b deficit (the last budget we can fully attribute to Bush, 2008), and the deficit for 2015 was $438b.
This leaves out the important note that Congress writes the budgets. In Reagan's case, he was fighting a Democratic Congress for domestic spending cuts and couldn't get much of what he wanted. Defense spending as a percent of GDP was nearly equal at the start and end of Reagan's term. The increase was entirely a result of domestic spending on government programs. I would note that one of those programs was a program Reagan and his NIH supported, which doubled to tripled government spending on AIDS research every year to the point it exceeded one billion dollars in 1989. In Obama's case, he started fighting a Republican Congress in 2011 demanding high spending levels be supported. Republicans disagreed and the deficits rapidly came down from $1.3t in 2011 to $680b in 2013 thanks to sequestration.
As for the stock market, the Dow Jones Industrial Average went from a recession low of under 2000 to over 4500 when Reagan left office. It went from a recession low of 6507 to today's 17481 under Obama. How relevant this is when jobs are being created at significantly slower rates than during the 1980s is debatable.
>>67826526
What the fuck? Are you some kind of retard?
The 2008 Great Bush Crash and Republican Recession was the worst economic crash since the Republican Great Depression.
The Carter economy created over 10 million jobs in just 4 years.
The economy was not at all that bad.
There was inflation because of an oil shortage caused by OPEC.
>>67825853
OP's pic is taking some pretty big liberties with the truth.
It's easy to "triple the stock market" when a little something called INFLATION exists.
>>67827189
>>67828193
As usual, the worst attack against a Democrat is that he made the mistake of agreeing with Republicans.
Republicans don't belong in government. Anytime they're in charge, they fuck everything up.
>>67834136
Labor force participation does not measure job creation or unemployment rate you stupid fucking moron.
It measures how many baby boomers are retiring and LEAVING the labor force.
Why is that no matter what economic statistic is cited, you right wing retards have been programmed to parrot 1 single talking point.
>BUT MUH labor participation rate.
By the way, it's exactly where it was in Reagan's 2nd term you stupid fuck.
>>67831360
>bombing shit in various places, funding shit in other places but otherwise keeping American ground troops out of conflicts
Yeah, you tend to be gun shy after ME terrorists cuck you by killing 241 servicemen in a completely avoidable attack. Bigger fuck up than Benghazi and Republicunts have the nerve to get upset when some mercenaries die in a random attack, yet Ronnie faced no consequences for Beirut.
>>67832239
You're wrong and not for the reasons you think. Regulations were not relaxed under Bush, nor were they directly responsible for the crisis. The only relevant deregulation was the CFMA of 2000, passed by a Republican controlled Congress and signed into law by President Clinton.
More important were the lending practices forced onto the banks by Janet Reno's Department of Justice and James A. Johnson's Fannie Mae. Janet Reno threatened commercial banks with very expensive investigations and lawsuits if they didn't give out loans to minorities and poor people (strong overlap) in sufficient numbers. Fannie Mae (government enterprise) encouraged commercial banks to bundle up the subprime loans and sell them to Fannie Mae with the full approval of the government. These two policies led to poor lending practices which created the initial housing bubble and burst. The CFMA allowed investment banks to make bets on the success and failure of these subprime loans. This is where investment banks such as Bear Stearns lost billions when the housing bubble burst.
>>67825853
>came into office directly after the worst recession in the last hundred years
>nowhere to go but up
>LOOK OBAMA SINGLE HANDEDLY MADE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
>mfw
>>67834837
You should look at the inflation rates for the past ten years.
It never got above 4% (which is admittedly high) but that happened during Bush's presidency.
http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/current-inflation-rates/
Hypodermics on the shore, China under martial law, rock and roller cola wars
>>67826157
Hey moron. Bush turned a $263 BILLION budget surplus into a $1.4 TRILLION budget deficit.
Obama has reduced the budget deficit by over 2/3 since he entered office.
You're obviously a retard who doesn't understand the difference between the debt and deficit.
The reason why the national debt still went up is because of the Republican retard who left behind a $1.4 TRILLION budget deficit and a tire fire for an economy.
>>67835898
You're not even trying to bait the hook
>>67833666
And you don't think OP is doing the same, or that liberals don't do the same? Give me a fucking break.
>666
Says it all, faggot.
>>67835898
You do realize nobody likes bush right?
/pol/ hates bush and nobody likes the republicans or democrats from the last 20 years
>>67828781
No. Jim Webb was probably the best candidate but he's gone.
>>67825853
Tripled the National Debt while Raising taxes.
>>67836098
GTFO troll.
>>67834429
The 1981-1982 recession is generally considered worse than the 2007-2008 recession. It's also important to recognize whose policies were responsible for each recession.
For the 1981-1982 recession, Carter's policies take the largest portion of the blame, followed by Nixon. For the 2007-2008 recession, Clinton and Bush share blame nearly equally. Clinton's administration created the policies which encouraged poor lending practices and betting on loan defaults, and Bush's administration continued them combined with easy money.
>>67836878
I thought Bill Clinton was great when it came to the economy?
>>67837129
There are two separate statements you are confusing.
1. "The economy was great under Bill Clinton." This is a true statement.
2. "Bill Clinton was great for the economy." This is debatable.
Bill Clinton benefited from growth which began in earnest under Ronald Reagan's policies. These same policies were largely left intact during the 1990s. However, new policies introduced under the Clinton administration were the most significant contributors to the 2007-2008 recession. Bush did nothing to help the situation.
These sort of long term changes are one of the reasons it doesn't make sense to really judge a President until long after they are out of office. It's easy to say "things are going well so I'll vote to keep this guy in office." It's not as easy to predict the future.
>>67825853
Why are we even talking about Obama or Regan when we should be talking about Benjamin Harrison economic strides.
>>67833432
Reagan is credited for ending the cold war because of the economic warfare his (failed) star wars program provoked. The threat of U.S.'s SDI provoked the Soviets to spend like crazy which in turn had put a harder strain on thier economy. All that was left for Reagan to do was to get the soviet people to complain about the economy. And the animosity took care of the rest.
Tldr; Reagan gave the final blow to the Soviet Union using a bluff.
While today Obama's deals in the Oil and Gas sector combined with his poor leadership in the battlefields (e.g. sloppy drone strikes) further kettled and strengthened ISIS.
Tldr;Reagan beat communism, Obama strengthened islamic terrorisms
>>67825853
>besides AIDS and Crack?
And they weren't even that successful!
>>67838597
Indeed Benjamin Harrison created the first anti trust bill that kept massive cooperations from becoming too big to fail.
>>67838751
>A burgerlard is still pretending ISIS was an "accident"
Okay.
>>67836878
>flaming bullshit
The post.
>>67835898
Wow basing it on the GDP when there was a massive recession! Leafs are so smurt!!!
>>67839547
??? where was that said?
>>67839926
>While today Obama's deals in the Oil and Gas sector combined with his poor leadership in the battlefields (e.g. sloppy drone strikes) further kettled and strengthened ISIS.
You may as well have just shortened it to "Obama, through incompetence, accidentally strengthened ISIS". No. He fucking didn't. He gave them fucking weapons and fucking cash because his bosses told him to. Fucking grow out of sham politics already. God damn this board is an embarrassment.
>>67838751
Calling Reagan's Strategic Defense Initiative ("Star Wars") a failure isn't accurate. He certainly had aspirations for it which far exceed what we have today, but it was the precursor to the Missile Defense Agency and Israel's highly effective Iron Dome.
>>67839554
Good argument.
>>67840213
You're adding 'accident' because I didn't make it explocit what his actions caused--a stronger ISIS? We're on the same side here. In the tldr I said that Obama strengthened ISIS. I never said that was an accident.
>>67833431
Obama could have done anything "He" (the party) wanted in those 11 months but hey they didn't because thats how party politics work.
>>67840216
I say failed because it never met all of its goals, but youre right about its legacy.
>>67825853
A. what is a natural recovery
B. most of those jobs are going to illegals and H1Bs
