/pol/, explain to me why this old jew is bad without using le socialist meme or le liberal meme.
explain to me WHY what he says is bad and how he is a terrible option
He looks like he'll get Alzheimer's in a few years. He already has the look down
>>67796812
He IS a socialist, you autist child.
>>67797037
jokes aside that's not an honest argument
>>67797194
no shit he is. but just saying "he's a socialist, that's why he's bad!" isn't a fucking argument.
i want legitimate counterarguments. i don't even support this jew becuase I don't agree with his policies, but I've yet to see a valid argument for OR against him.
My mom just thinks he's too damn old to start out with and it's true honestly. His last chance at running was 8 years ago.
He's a threat to the god emperors campaign
Because he has no chance of winning
>>67797446
is he really a god emperor if bernie sanders threatens him?
>>67797327
You don't get ro pick and choose what's a valud argument chuck
>>67796812
He cannot into math. He would fuck our economy up giving out free gender studies degrees.
>>67798174
but one is subjective and the other is objective.
all you're saying is "he is a socialist." "he is old."
these translate to "i don't think his age fits the office." and "I don't agree with socialism."
theres no objective argument that proves he's shit in what you're saying. that's all im asking for, counter-arguments so when i get in a debate i can be prepared.
>>67798338
can you elaborate on the numbers behind this? i'm mathematically challenged.
>>67796812
He's a racist
>>67797989
Even Achilles was only as strong as his heel
He panders to illegal immigrants who are sitting up our country
One of the illegals I worked with showed me a cartel slaying his cousin recorded. Some dude getting chopped up in a bathroom, his face was like blue. Fucked me up for the whole day but the Mexican was laughing about it.
They're not good people
>>67796812
because hes jewish, isn't that enough??
>>67796812
His plans don't make sense fiscally.
I'm a liberal and if I were in the US, I'd vote for Kasich.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGqcO1nhglM
>>67796812
first explain to me how he is a good person
>we have no money
>he wants to spend more of our money for "good"
now the good/bad is arguable but the fact that we have no money isn't
>>67796812
His economic policies are absolute garbage. Anyone with a high school understand of economics can write a better policy than him.
I dare you to find an economic policy of his that doesn't involve "the 1%" or taxing/regulating industry into the dirt.
He is the final culmination of all the shit Cultural Marxism has dumped on our society. Single mothers, disposable fathers, mindless 20-somethings, the destruction of the creator class, and the rising up of under-educated and overly-offended women and minority groups.
He is the culmination of everything that is made our country unsafe, and he panders to groups that make it so. He is truly Lord of the Aimless.
It's not about MUH FREE SHIT. But most young folks and women have been so indoctrinated in MUH FEELS culture that they don't get it.
>>67796812
Last 2 countries that have had left-populists rule for a significant time period: Brazil and Argentina.
How have they been doing?
Taking the socialism out the equation is like saying.
"Convince me Hitler was bad with using the words Nazi or Holocaust."
>Convince me without using key points of an argument hurrr durr.
Also socialism is just communism by democrats. If you would like to wait in line for your ration of toilet paper and beets no matter how hard you work. Go ahead and vote for Bernie.
No interest in stopping illegal immigration, which carries a massive amount of problems by itself
Will place even more financial hardship on employers, meaning itll contribute to our annual decline of small businesses
Wants to reduce our 2nd amendment rights
Has zero political support in congress, which means more years of political stalemate
Thinks whites dont know what it is like to be poor
>>67799120
ill be the devils advocate, tell him why socialism is bad
it sounds good desu
>wealth is distibuted so unfortunate people can at least survive or get a shot at life.
>general equality among the demographics of the country
>overall betterment of the community which would make the population more happy
>more environmental
>>67796812
I don't watch too much of Bernie but I saw him getting roasted by two wild nigresses and he just stood there like the ultimate cuck, too scared to do anything. This should be a president's confidence? He doesn't ring any respect.
Forgot to add, his higher taxes means companies will continue to keep money made abroad out of the country
>>67796812
He supports $15/hr meme which directly pulls spending power from the middle class
His tax plan increases taxes on the middle class, for which the vast majority of said taxes will be handed to lower class
He is funded by wall street, therefore high potential for bias, treachery
He is jewish, therefore high potential for bias, treachery
Federal Government run ANYTHING is horribly inefficient and ineffective when compared to private industry
He is literally running the exact same campaign as Hitler did in 1932, except more left-leaning
His policies will face extremely harsh opposition in congress by both sides, and he will likely be an ineffectual executive for the entire presidency
Need more?
>>67796812
He has no foreign policy, and if you vote for him all you care about is domestic gibmedats without any regard to the serious issues we face overseas
>>67800368
>He is literally running the exact same campaign as Hitler did in 1932, except more left-leaning
kek, wat
>>67796812
His punitive tax policies punish success rather than encourage it.
His healthcare plan is horrendous and costs WAY too much to be realistic.
His plans for tuition-free state college doesn't actually do anything to address the COST of college, only the price of admission, and giving it for free will simply devalue the education I and many others have already paid for in an economic environment in which there is already too much focus on a four year degree. Basically, you'll need a Master's degree to matter.
His policies on immigration are way too welcoming, and will dilute the country with a permanent underclass of citizens.
I've got more if you actually want it and aren't baiting.
>>67797632
this is the only argument i agree with
>>67800598
Open a history book, leaf. Hitler was a democratic socialist running almost the exact same platform.
>>67799120
read >>67798395
>>67799750
point 1 is solid, i can understand that.
the bernie supporter argument will be "the employer gets enough already" or something along those lines
isn't he pro-gun? he wanted guns on amtrack for fucks sake.
this is a very valid point, the most valid this post.
this was just him being autistic, like is fluoride bullshit.
>>67800368
the middle class thing is a very valid point. everything else is basically (even though I hate the jews) ad hom or vague.
like, explain the hitler thing and give me examples of fed govt run shit that fucks up.
>>67800437
this is actually my currently favorite anti-bernie argument. his foreign policy is basically hillary's. you ask a bernie supporter what his f policy is and he doesn't know what to say in response.
>>67800810
yes, I actually do want more. you're putting down points and explaining them, something I've been looking for.
while you give me more, can you elaborate on your first point as well?
>>67799120
he didnt listen to his generals after the battle of britain and started hitting soft targets
he started a war on 2 fronts
he subjugated minorities
>>67796812
>old jew
I think you found your answer
>>67796812
Because I don't want to give him half my paycheck
>>67801387
so how is this redistributing wealth when people who earn less than others are getting taxed more?
>>67798607
They show beheadings on the news over there. Fucking crazy man.
America is, what, $19 trillion in debt? Not sure of the number exactly, but the point is the debt is huge.
Now Bernie Sanders wants to INCREASE spending in the public sector, meaning INCREASE debt.
>But he'll tax Wall Street/Rich People
watch them move money out of the country to a tax haven and America's debt increases even more than it did under Obama.
>>67796812
if he cant even save his mic from 2 black women
how is he going to deal with putin and china
Stop replying to Sandersbots from Reddit faggots.
saged.
>>67801295
If I have to explain to you the inefficiencies of federal government I'm not even going to bother because you lack a foundational understanding of federal budgets.
>social security
>medicare
>welfare
>bureaucracy
>hundreds of billions lost in redundant/ineffectual government programs
>>67798607
You can't honestly believe that all illegal immigrants are cartel supporting scum, can you? Down here in South Texas the majority of the older people just want to send their kids off to college, or make enough to support their family back in whatever shithole they come from. They pretty much hate the cartel.
I'm not saying we should keep the immigrants here, I'm just trying to provide some insight into where a lot of these people come from.
>>67801387
Do you not understand that doing so would give you health insurance and education for yourself/your family?
>>67797327
He's a socialist! And Hitler was a socialist! ARE YOU KIDDING ME???!!!
>>67801723
Our social security system has a cap on it, the tax is only paid up to about $100,000. Because retards.
>>67799756
>>overall betterment of the community which would make the population more happy
Nah, you mean the degrading of the lives of many who had more than beets and toilet paper before. All that so the homeless can be given beets and toilet paper.
every fucking day , the same post ,again & again????
SAGE
>>67796812
He is pandering to a generation of Americans who want to work as little as possible while getting much more than their fair share.
Our greatest achievements have come from gumption, pride, and assertiveness, not diversity, tolerance, or passivity.
Sanders is peddling the idea of a country that can be exceptional while no one puts in any type of work to make it so.
No matter how much you manipulate tax rates or legislate diversity within your nation, you won't create prosperity or glory.
A strong nation is the result of strong people, and Sanders is a politician who wants us all to celebrate our weaknesses.
>>67801931
Tip: corruption and laxism kicks in
>>67801931
drink bleach.
Don't worry, I'll pay your medical bills. It's the law
>>67797632
>>67796812
He's a social justice warrior that will incite more black crime and decriminalize laws that allow us to easily keep violent criminals off the streets.
>>67801152
>>67796812
He would use tax dõllarhrinõs for the intended purpose instead of embezzling them.
>>67796812
Pic.
Also, the more tax, the less money everyone has.
Socialism is only for people who are pathetic losers, like him. He's a socialist liberal simply because he didn't accomplish anything but still wants more and has never really had to do anything for it.
He wants a nanny state government. It's not working for Brazil, it won't work for the US.
>>67797206
It is.
>>67802533
>>67801831
>>67802170
Do you have the video link on this kid? I still haven't seen the video
>>67801387
>make $75,000
>basically a little above middle class
>taxed to a less than $40,000 income
>now almost lower middle class
fuck that is goddamn terrifying
>>67796812
his heart is in the right place but his pandering to anti-White narrative is more of the same shit that is destroying the west. He's weak.
He thinks the solution to poverty is to take from the rich, and the middle class, and even the working class, and give it to the people who do nothing.
He wants to make things free that cost more than he could ever take in tax.
>>67801931
do you not understand that it's not as simple as that, what you're actually doing is constantly increasing the size of government and putting them in charge of large sections of your life, a guaranteed recipe for mediocrity, corruption and disaster?
Communist
>>67796812
How about economic retard?
>>67804701
Don't waste your breath. You can't fix stupid
>>67803766
>have the same discussion everyday about how socialism is economically impossible as described by marx or that it requires a autocratic state to implement it which will inevtiably start killing or silencing people who disagree with it
at what point does it stop becoming our problem and start becoming socialists problems for misunderstanding history or economics
>>67797327
> literal wannabe commie kike
> democrat
> gibsmedat
> alzheimers
> cuck
>>67801295
He supported AWB and mag limits fuck that gun grabbing old yid.
His promises are ludicrously unfeasible, to the point that there's no way he could have made them in good faith, which means he's been deliberately peddling a false tale of free jam tomorrow with the full intent of stringing along a generation of college students gullible enough and broke enough to wilfully believe it. And that's bad, anon.
>>67801849
This.
I'm from 956.
Yeah there are some bad eggs but most are good people trying to get by.
Don't get me wrong, I still firmly believe something needs to be done about immigration but it just makes me cringe when people make the same weak argument "theys all rapists"
It's almost as weak of an argument as "dey took'ar jerbs!!!"
>>67804701
So, as a britfag, how is enhanced/limited by ya'lls socialized healthcare and all that?
Not even trying to be a facetious, I want personal, lifelong experience with the socialized system and how they feel it's working out.
>>67806764
>So, as a britfag, how is enhanced/limited by ya'lls socialized healthcare and all that?
So, as a britfag, how is YOUR LIFE, enhanced/limited....
>>67804252
That's more or less how it seems.
He represents some of the last vestiges of old-school pro-worker populist leftism left in US politics, but he still can't break free of the poisonous modern "identity" bullshit that has infected the country for the past few decades.
Something like his pledge to end "mass-incarceration" ends up meaning that we can't punish blacks for criminal behavior anymore, which will inevitably cause crime to explode.
It's not a workable worldview in the US. You could get away with it if you have the right demographics, but we sure don't.
>>67799120
>le slippery slope is real meme
Also that image is very misleading. North Korea DOES have electricity in most cities. It's just in limited supply for civilian use so they turn it off at night.
>>67796812
To my knowledge, he hasn't spoken out against the violence of his supporters. He's letting a criminal grind him into the dust because he won't pursue them on the "email thing."
And he's a racist.
>>67801845
The government wastes money but it's delusional to think that private corporations are inherently better.
>>67796812
His campaign is over its finished if believe in it donate to his campaign.
All the bernie supporters registered as a independent keep voting for john kasich in the open primarys
>>67802178
>No you mean X
Nice strawman
>>67796812
Would you rather send your kids to a private school or a public school?
There's your answer, genius.
>>67803537
>le liberalism is le ebin beta nu male meme
>>67798507
This.
>>67796812
Back when he first announced his candidacy I called that he was too much of a meek pussy to run for president. The only reason why he made it so far was idealist young liberals hoped on the idea of free tuition and other shit. Bernie had no back bone as a senator. Even when he announced he was running he fumbled his words and was sheepish in his demeanor. The US doesn't need someone who is weak and can't stand up for himself on the world stage. He has a utopia syndrome just like BLM, SJW, and Feminists alike. He thinks he can make the world the perfect place with a few flowery words and a dreamers point of view.
This is why he's getting his ass beat by ol' thunder thigh shrill voiced Hilary.
>>67802170
nice bait
>>67805081
>what is workers' self management
>what is libertarian socialism
>what is syndicalism
>implying Bernie is even close to Marxist
>>67796812
His entire platform relies on laws and regulations that do not yet exist. As a legislator, he has accomplished almost nothing. There is no rational reason to believe he will somehow become more capable at unifying support for legislation than he was as a senator. He has a history of mediocrity at best, and outright failure at worst.
He needs to lead, and he has never done that once in his life.
>>67807548
>can't punish blacks for criminal behavior
epic straw man
>>67808536
>>what is libertarian socialism
What is an oxymoron?
>>67808695
>"hey guise it's an oxymoron"
>mfw it's existent
>"no it's not it's an oxymoron it just doesn't werk"
>existing intensifies
>"but according to Saint Ronald and Saint Margaret it CAN'T exist! It's not real!"
They killed the past Catholic president you think a Jew will ever be president?
>>67796812
he has achieved nothing in life , and he want to do like our president , taxe the most richest people.
They will just flee and the country will be a shithole worst than Mexico without employment and probably without guns to defend against niggers.
>Amnesty for Illegals, which our economy supposedly needs for the fact that they will work jobs at staggeringly low wages.
>Minimum wage at $15 federally
>Somehow this is supposed to be a recipe for more jobs instead of a recipe for economic disaster
>>67808914
Public schooling, public healthcare, and property taxes are not libertarian and never will be, you fuckface.
>>67808124
Private companies CANT waste money because if they do they will no longer profit/exist. Government always gets a free pass.
Can't into economics
Going to drastically raise taxes and impose new burdensome regulations on businesses.
There's no point in cutting carbon emissions when countries like China and India are going to pollute regardless, it just makes the US more economically weak in the energy sector.
>>67807930
Just because you say it isn't real doesn't mean it isn't real.
>>67797327
ThatS reason enuff YOU NIGGER COCK SUCK MUTHER FUCKING FAGGOT BITCH. He's a fucking SOCIALIST ASSHOLE. THIS IS FUCKING AMERICA. SOOO MANY PEOPLE DIED FOR WHAT WE HAVE YOU UNGRATEFUL KEKHOLD BERNIE LOVING BITCH. IT MAY NOT BE PERFECT BUT IT'S MINE/OURS. MY FOREFATHERS FOUGHT FOR IT, IT'S MINE. THEY EVEN FOUGHT FOR THE NIGGER TOO. WE NEVER FOUGHT IN THE NAME OF SOCIALISM, WE NEVER WILL. I'M 37, WHEN I WAS A KID, COMMUNISTS WERE THE ENEMY, FOR GOOD REASON TOO BITCH. IT'S LITERALLY TIME To MAKE A STAND, I'M BEING THE CLEanSER IN MY AREA, FIRST FUCKING FAGGOT I SEE PROTESTING SOME BULLSHIT, BY ME, GETS SMASHED. FUCKING TRY ME.THIS SHIT HAS TO STOP NOW. WHO'S DOWN
>>67808659
Bernie says he wants to make it so that the US no longer incarcerates the most people on the globe. There are only three ways to do that:
1. Release violent criminals currently incarcerated
2. Stop incarcerating new violent criminals
3. Kill or deport a whole lot of criminals so that you are no longer incarcerating them.
I doubt he'll pick #3, so he has to go with the first two.
The Baltimore example shows that when you remove the police jackboot from the throat of ghetto areas, those areas explode into unreal levels of violence and murder.
Here, since your to stupid do do any research, here is his voting record. Borders wide open. What 2nd amendment? https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders/40/immigration#.VusdUXpOnqC
>>67809498
Sure they can... as long as government supports them.
