For the first time, the right-wing Alternative für Deutschland party reaches 14% nation-wide in a representative poll, in this case conducted by GMS.
http://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/
>>67787824
make germany great again
Hopefully, this mood will transition into something factual in the 2017 elections. It is critical to push CDU/SPD below 50%.
>>67787824
Jesus 14%??!! This is outrageous. I'm so angry now. Germany PLEASE come to your senses and stop these bigoted islamophobic racists. We musn't let history repeat itself.
>>67788434
Wtf? 14% is very good. That has made no other party ever so quickly.
I predict a decline in votes for the CDU/CSU and a growing AfD.
Likley SPD will fall very low. Those votes will mostlygo to the Greens.
>>67787824
Exceeding UKIP levels now, good stuff
excellent. But ist not sufficent until SPD >5%
I love afd
Hopefully bjorn hocke replaces merkel
>>67787824
Not to mention that the AfD got 24% in Sachsen Anhalt while it was polling at 18% right before the elections and got 15% in Ba-Wu while it was polled at 10-11% right before the election.
I say we should at least add 3-4% to the 14% to get to the real %age.
Also, it may sound cynical - but with old people passing away, less people will vote for CDU and SPD out of habit.
>>67788937
This is an important point, yup.
Minimum goal 12%, expected goal 15-16%, dream goal 20%.
>>67788583
This is just reactionary bullshit and you know it. Most people aren't going to take these guys seriously.
>>67788920
Gauland would be cool. He is like super old but I like him in his tweed jackets.
Wir werden eine Mauer bauen und Afrika wird sie bezahlen
Does AfD have any allies at all?
>>67787824
14% isn't going to change shit
>>67789256
NPD, kek.
>>67789155
Spoken like a true Muhammad
>>67789155
>Most people aren't going to take these guys seriously.
Why operate German media 24hours propaganda against this party?
>>67789431
you don't have any idea of parliamentarian systems do you?
>>67789676
CDU still holds the vast majority
>>67789434
>npd
>allies
nope, NPD is absolute utter shit
Germany needs some bombings and fiki fikis
AfD will explode
>>67789734
35% is not the vast majority. We have far more than two parties since the reunification.
>>67787824
what does this mean in reality?
I have no idea how Germany's political system works. I just assumed that if you are dark skin you can walk around raping white women, and geman men must then go home and cry and masterbate to what they witnessed. Also, I heard somewhere that at any time a white german must give his white wife and/or child to any passing by darkskined person so that they can make up for the horrors of WW2.
How much of this is true and does 14% actually do anything? Is this a trend or a blip do you thing? Will the party jews in charge listen now or does the number need to be higher?
>>67789734
the three state elections last week already had a huge impact on public debate and policy, so rising poll figures might even foster that.
>jump to 14% from 11% last month
>>67789829
They hold the majority over any other party by quite a bit. 14% is literally less than half of 35%, Hanz. You have a long way to go.
>>67788952
>Also, it may sound cynical - but with old people passing away, less people will vote for CDU and SPD out of habit.
The problem for the AfD are female voters.
It is a shame that Frauke Petry doesn't have longer hair and is more of a woman. This tomboy look really repulses a lot of conservative women.
>>67789873
It is a Parlamentarian system akin to yours. Only that we do not elect the "President" (Chancellor) directly, the Parliament does.
For everday decisions, you need a simple majority of 50%+1 seat in the Parliament. To achieve this, multiple parties usually form coalitions. Now, we are governed by a coalition of CDU (around 38%) and SPD (around 22%). They play "Conservative" and "Moderate Left", whilst in reality, they are pretty much the same nowadays.
>>67789155
the same was being said about trump
>>67789873
14% is a huge deal, especially for a party this contrarian.
The Liberal Democrats (FDP) used to struggle hard just to get 10% and they were in coalition governments time and time again, or a strong opposition member*. 14% is also roundabout the kind of share the Greens get.
*The Liberals are dead now.
>>67790246
The Greens are pretty much stuck at 11%.
>>67790246
>14%
God you guys sound like Bernie supporters
>>67789431
t. American who can't comprehend a system with more than two parties
>>67788937
AFD brings in new voters like no other. They will be above what polls show now, thats a certainty.
Especially with the future developments (Merkels unpopular Turkey deal, the chance of another refugee wave this time taking the route through italy).
If the CDU doesnt do a hard 180 they will be forced to go black/red/yellow(or green) with the AFD as the only real opposition in the Bundestag.
>>67790603
Thats our Conservative Christians for you, kek.
>>67790170
But CDU needs a coalition partner then. Depending on how much FDP will get they could work with them, or another grand coalition with the SPD. Which would be the end of the SPD. Another 4 years as a junior partner in government they won't survive. So AfD is minimizing the options of the CDU like in Saxony-Anhalt state elections. Instable governments tend to make the voters go even more conservative, so they will vote AfD even more. They are in a very comfortable strategic Position so the CDU/CSU will have to take drastic measures in the next month.
Schlimm mit diesen Amerikanern.
Finde den Meuthen viel besser als Björn Höcke
>>67790699
Thanks for explaining for Amerikeks.
What should be noted - CDU is also losing voters to some extent. If they land 35% instead of 40%, it would mean they could cooperate only with the SPD to cross the 50% line.
>>67790222
"conservative" seems a bit of a stretch. Germany seems to lead the way in crazy left liberal causes and policies.
I think the US and Europe have different meaning for the words liberal and conservative.
Normally conservative is associated with nationalism, individual freedoms, and libertarianism. Liberals are more socicialistic or communistic, typically lean toward authoritative leaders and pander to minorities and women.
Outside looking in, and I do visit Europe alot, EVERYONE seems like they have gotten their balls cut off and are very very left compared to a centrist here in the US
>>67790893
It is true that the political landscape in Germany in general is far more Leftist. But that does not apply to Europe in general.
>>67790893
>>67790893
also thanks for explaining guys. I understand the strategy of a coalition but 14% seems to small a number to be viable to partner with another party. I mean the main issues I see are.
You would need to partner with another party, close to the same political beliefs, which hold 35% of the seats in order to affect anything.
also, it seems that afd is labelled the "nazi" party, so I can't imagine another party working with it just out of fear that it would also be called "nazi". (I still dont understand how this is so impactful still)
>>67791010
Compared to the US, western europe is crazy left.
What are AfD policies as opposed to CDU?
>>67791293
nobody would do a coalition with the AFD and the AFD would be stupid going for power so soon as well as they will collect way more voters as the only opposition in germany.
>>67791391
They do not have a comprehensive full program yet, only shorter statements and documents.
The single most important point is: fuck off, we are full. Also, they have conservative views on society, are nationalistic and EU-sceptic. Initially, the AfD was an anti-Euro party first and foremost.
>>67790196
This is her a few years ago
>>67791391
Kek'd hard
>>67791655
What a qt3.14159
>>67791010
well, I've been to UK, Germany, France, Switzerland, Itally, spain, Sweeden and Poland.
and I can tell you that Poland was the ONLY country that didn't have people that sound like literal communists to me. I normally go for work (2 week trips) then stay for an extra week for personal time and try to talk to as many people as possible to get to know the culture. It hasn't been great desu in what I've been seeing the last year.
France and Germany were the worse, UK was pretty bad too. I went to a pakistany restaurant in the countryside that served shitty ass food. It turns out that the building used to be a 400 year old pub. There is so little love for your own countries that you let a 400 year old pub get ripped a part and converted to a run of the mill shit restaurant. I ask some local guys there that I work with and they seemed numb to it, the white guild there is pretty bad.
>>67791391
they're like a mix of economic liberalism ideas of FPD and the conservative right wing of CDU/CSU
yet they got also some meme politicians like Höcke who get labelled as racist & radical right-wing which they hopefully get rid off soon, otherwise I unfortunately see no real future for them in our political landscape
>>67791800
Would it be different in the US?
I mean, there is not much discussion about working visa going on, for example. If an Indian family establishes a restaurant in the centre of a town, would there be an uproar?
>>67791538
but then nothing changes. The 14% doesnt help anyone. Which was my original question.
The AFD needs to get more support, or find another party to build a coalition with.
Our 2 party system is flawed but 99% of the time, our congressmen do not vote party lines, meaning they vote individually, based off what values their state holds so from my perspective, our system is better for controlling batcrazy shit from happening like it's happening in Germany with the immigrants.
>>67791391
AFD is conservative, doing the good old country/family/wealth routine.
CDU has gone full blown left under Merkel and supports among other things "green" energy, homosexual marriage, "inclusive" education (meaning retards in normal schools), the abolishment of military service and of course unlimited immigration.
Of course there still are conservative elements in the CDU (mostly at federal level) but Merkel made sure they wont be a danger to her as she has her own fan-club as support.
>>67791947
Could someone post the AfD Spurdo comic?
>>67792085
The thing is that AfD does not wish to be the actual government, for now. They want to be opposition, to melt away the CDU and SPD percentage.
>>67792085
>but then nothing changes. The 14% doesnt help anyone.
every AFD voter is a voter the established parties would like themselves.
if there is a 14% block of conservative voters the CDU will try to change their politics enough to get them.
>>67792136
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GAnWJaCKEQ
>>67792041
yes, here would be if they purchased a 400 year old building and tried destroying it to build a shitty indian food restaurant.
We value individual freedom, but we also value our history. Its not the family moving in, or the restaurant that would cause issues (americans are very welcoming of outsideres, especially when they bring food) but the slap to the face would be too much and would not be tolerated.
Look its not my home, so you guys do what you want, but you wont miss your history until its gone, when you wake up and realize that everything that makes you you has been replaced.
>Implying the government cares about votes
They're all working for the same people
Your vote doesn't matter
Face reality
>>67792241
>>67792317
if this is true then it makes sense and there is hope.
The only thing is that people's memories are short and people wont be mad or engaged for long, so the timing must be planned correctly
>>67792136
>>67792136
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GAnWJaCKEQ
>>67792622
There are news about the Refugee Crisis every day, and most arent pleasant. Also, 2 million additional refugees are expected to arrive in Europe (=Germany). The wake-up effect should linger, I hope.
>>67791655
>This is her a few years ago
I like her better in blonde.
>>67790603
>says the guy from a country where literally every 7th already is a muslim
>>67790228
Murikkkans are an exception. Only in murikkka is very much a real thing.
>>67791391
>no Euro €
>no Islam
>nothing against immigrants as long as they are educated and might benefit the state
>reduce taxes
>reduce welfare
>built strong army
>liberal weapon rights
>forbid abortion
>no gay marriage
>trying to achieve a three-children-family
It's more or less like the Republican Party in the US.
>>67793198
This is because Russia took over muslim areas, not because they let them in
>>67788434
Antanas Smetanas calm your tits. That is a progress of +14% because the party was basically nonexistant 4 years ago
>>67793473
Ever been in the outskirts of Moscow?
>>67793473
>15% Islam
>42% of them already want Sharia law (http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/04/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf" page 15)
>at the end of the century over 50%
>no problem at all
>>67793473
>>67793814
And why are there around 2.000.000 muslims in Moscow alone?
>>67787824
Aren't there more regional elections this year?
I think Berlin is due, though I don't think AfD will have any major impact there.
Is AfD funded by Putin?
>>67793932
Because Berlin is the city with the third highest Turk population in the whole world. Of course they wouldn't vote for a party that would cut the welfare and force them to work.
>>67794051
Maybe. I won't be surprised that Putin did the FN thing also for the AfD. But if they had just a slightest proof, the media would have shouted it out for several weeks already.
>>67793931
because Russia conquered large muslim territories and those areas are devoid of economic opportunities
>>67794447
... this is partially because they are, as mentioned, Muslim territories ...
>>67787824
proud of you Deutschland
>>67794447
Most of these muslims are illegal immigrants from shitholes like Tadzhikistan. They are illegally crossing the border for several years already. Why hasn't the manlet president so many seem to love done anything to prevent this? 15% voting for the nazi party (not something like the light AfD version) for a multiethnic state is just horrible.
>>67791010
Can't claim to know the politics in each europoor country, but I agree with the fat one on this. At least for many countries. Our "far right" government would prolly be considered leftists in the US
>>67790196
I think the pixie cut is cute on her tbqh senpai
>>67794051
they get lots of donations apparently. Politics arent as dependent on money in germany anyways.
>>67793433
>>no Euro €
Deutsche Mark was fucking strong, is this still possible?
>>no Islam
good
>>nothing against immigrants as long as they are educated and might benefit the state
okay
>>reduce taxes
okay
>>reduce welfare
good, really we have our own leechers, dont need +2mill sandniggers
>>built strong army
stupid and useless, who is gonna attack us?
>>liberal weapon rights
>tfw you will never have an Ak or G3
>>forbid abortion
after rape or confirmed missgeburt abortion should be allowed
>>no gay marriage
good, fuck of mental ill people
>>trying to achieve a three-children-family
good
>>67795018
But how would a nationalistic Europe benefit Putin?
Is he fighting the international Jew?
>>67792859
holy shit, don't tell me that those swastikas are backwards because of hate speech laws. germany yes
>>67787824
>only 14% with all of the destruction already caused
Top lol, you people really are fucked, if Germany was the US the president would've been impeached long ago.
>>67793628
It was literally nonexistant 4 years ago.
It was founded 3 years ago
>>67795003
Yeah I don't generally like short hair on women but it looks pretty good on her. Intimidating.
>>67793433
>>67794051
Don't they favour closer ties to Russia? All the populist right-wing parties in Europe seem to.
>>67795176
Look whom all the parties Putin funds support on an international level.
Pro tip: it is not the US.
>>67795298
Yeah, like when Nixon got impeached by the "silent majorities" for sending men to die a pointless death?
>OMG The AfD GUY GOT A FEW SECONDS AIRTIME ON TV FOURTH REICH INCOMING
>>67795003
she's really to old, but I'd fuck her anyways to be nice to her, she deserves it
>>67790222
The greens are 9% nationwide
>>67795176
>But how would a nationalistic Europe benefit Putin?
A nationalistic Europe would be anti-US and anti-NATO. Suits Russia.
>>67795003
The pixie cut looks good on her, because she has excellent facial bone structure.
>>67795176
The far right is against the sanctions on Russia. Russia has a weak economy now. They don't even have enough to pay for another deputy war (besides of Ukraine) in Syria. So Putin wants the far right to win as much elections as possible so the sanctions are lifted and his shithole country can become a little less shitty.
>>67795153
>Deutsche Mark was fucking strong, is this still possible?
Tbh thats a bad thing for Germany. The EU is only good for us because those southern shitskins are keeping the Euro down.
>14%
irrelevenant, even if to reach 20%.
>>67795499
she's only 40 m8
>>67790614
I very much doubt that CDU/SPD won't be enough for a majority
>>67795153
If you want Peace prepare for war
>>67795616
>irrelevenant
>even if to reach
>>67795364
>Don't they favour closer ties to Russia? All the populist right-wing parties in Europe seem to.
Well, the AfD is for Nato and for USA. They want that Germany has more to say in the Nato, so they are willing to make more military operations.
But also, they want stable relationships with Russia, for example lift all sanctions because these are also harmful for the German economy. But nothing more.
Frauke Petry is cute. CUTE!
>>67795364
>Don't they favour closer ties to Russia? All the populist right-wing parties in Europe seem to.
Complicated question. Remember that the AfD started out as a very American-style movement of free market economists against Euro bailouts. Many of those elites (including Lucke and most of the MEPs) have already left to form a splinter, so now the party is torn between Le Pen-style populism and eurosceptic classical liberalism.
>>67795003
>>67795121
>>67795674
I am a turk and she makes me fucking hard.
>>67795616
>irrelevenant
The AfD destroyed every ruling constellation in the last elections just because they got into the Landtag.
>>67792899
To be fair that news says that with last year's refugees it's going to be 2 million.
The headline is badly written
>>67795713
Sachsen-Anhalt would like to have a word with you.
>>67795775
are they really in favor of more military interventions?
i thought they simply wanted to strengthen the military and reinstate the draft
it would be pretty stupid to be in favor of more NATO and even more so to advocate more German military involvement. Most of the german public is pacifist and I think most of the AfD voting base is skeptical of NATO and in favor of isolationism (complete opposite of german soldiers dying for some vague western interests)
>>67796153
In Sachsen-Anhalt konnte auch keine seit Jahrzehnten gewachsene, politische Mitte hervorbringen. Nicht vergessen, dort wählt fast jeder Fünfte auch buchstäblich die Ex-DDR-Partei.
>>67795674
>only 40
Godspeed Oosterburen. Make Germany great again. Hope we can do the same over here.
>>67796153
I was speaking on a national level.
>>67787824
We've given them hope.
Their countries are theirs to take back, they need not answer to any foreign interests.
Clean house, comrades.
>>67796359
In BaWü hätte die "Große" Koalition auch keine Mehrheit mehr, falls ich mich nicht irre.
>>67795153
>stupid and useless, who is gonna attack us?
You don't know how security policy works in the year of 2016, do you?
>>67796245
"Die Mitgliedschaft in der Nato entspricht den außen- und sicherheitspolitischen Interessen
13 Deutschlands, soweit sich die Nato auf ihre Aufgabe als Verteidigungsbündnis beschränkt.
14 Wir setzen uns dafür ein, den europäischen Teil der atlantischen Allianz deutlich zu stärken.
15 Um dieses Ziels zu erreichen, ist es unabdingbar, die militärischen Fähigkeiten der
16 deutschen Streitkräfte wieder herzustellen, um Anschluss an die strategischen und
17 operativen Erfordernisse zu finden. Diese von der AfD geforderte Wiederherstellung soll
18 nicht nur die Landesverteidigung als zentrale Aufgabe der Bundeswehr sicherstellen,
19 sondern die deutschen Streitkräfte auch in erforderlichem Maß zur Bündnisverteidigung und
20 Krisenvorsorge befähigen. Die AfD sieht im Bestreben, Verpflichtungen gegenüber den
21 Nato-Bündnispartnern berechenbar zu erfüllen, eine wichtige Aufgabe deutscher Außen-
22 und Sicherheitspolitik, um auf diesem Weg mehr Gestaltungsmacht und Einfluss zu
23 entfalten. Wir treten dafür ein, dass jedes Engagement in der Nato im Einklang mit den
24 deutschen Interessen steht und einer zielgerichteten Strategie entspricht. Die Nato muss so
25 reformiert werden, und die Streitkräfte der europäischen Partnerstaaten sind so zu
26 restrukturieren, dass sie die Sicherheit in Europa und an seiner Peripherie gewährleisten
27 können."
source: https://correctiv.org/media/public/a6/8e/a68ed5e4-32a8-4184-8ade-5c19c37ff524/2016_02_23-grundsatzprogrammentwurf.pdf site 25
>>67787824
THE FIRE RISES IN DEUTSCHLAND
>>67796245
Again, the party's absolutely split. The Founding Fathers who abandoned ship were definitely Atlanticists.
I don't know about Frauke and her current leadership, they seem to be the compromise.
But now, popular figures like Höcke don't give a shit about foreign affairs, NATO or the EU and care solely about Islam, immigration and rapefugees.
>>67796906
den mist von innen nach außen kehren
>>67787824
OH BOY THIS WILL BE GREAT
LET IT BECOME 25%
>>67796906
also yes, hearing petry and then höcke talk you can really see who has the phd and who is a retarded moron.
>>67797096
Seis wie's sein wolle, Mangel an politischer Vielfalt war genau der Grund, warum jede neu-rechte Partei bisher hier gescheitert ist.
Double digits is a good start but there's still a long way to go. Clean house, remove the traitors from power, rebuild. There is still time.
>>67797440
>jede neu-rechte Partei bisher hier gescheitert ist
dies
Bisher ist jede rechte Partei viel zu schnell zerbrochen. Vielleicht wird es mit der anders, vielleicht aber auch nicht. Ich finde es auch echt lustig, dass sich alle über 24% ST aufregen, aber dabei vergessen, dass die rechte DVU 1998 auch buchstäblich aus dem Nichts fast 13% holte. Erinnert sich noch jemand an die DVU? Die ist zusammengebrochen, obwohl sie bereits zum Teil an der Macht war.
>>67797697
Israelbro they killed your people. Let the Nazis burn.
>>67795499
Youre fat virgin, nobody would fuck you.
>>67795121
Would propagate the white race with.
>>67797795
>Die ist zusammengebrochen, obwohl sie bereits zum Teil an der Macht war.
Wie gesagt. Mangel an politischer Vielfalt. Die Abgeordneten sind alle abgesprungen, weil Frey seinen Schwanz nicht unter Kontrolle behalten konnte und auch nur die kleinste Widerrede nicht ertragen wollte.
>>67797921
I hatched from a Jew egg on a cold night in Moscow back in '87.
I'm pretty sure most of the Germans ITT weren't alive during WWII either.
People cannot be held responsible for the sins of their ancestors that they haven't even witnessed, let alone participated in. I have no beef with the German people.
>>67798114
Who is this semen demon?
>>67796108
Meine Kaiserin
>>67796571
NICEU NICEU VERRRY NICEU CHEESA CHAN
>>67790222
>Only that we do not elect the "President" (Chancellor) directly, the Parliament does.
so basically a dictator
>>67800108
Nah, you just vote for party and chancellor at the same time.
Bundestagswahlen 2017
>AfD 4%
>>67800108
no
more like this >>67800494
also a Chancellor doesn't have as much rights as a president
He cannot veto a law.
He doesn't appoints the judges for the Constitutional court.
He isn't even in charge of the military at peaceful times.
>>67796108
What's wrong with the size of her eyes?
>>67801272
kawaii photoshop
>>67789155
>said increasingly nervous man
>>67787824
Parliamentary systems are garbage. It is too easy for crazy fringe groups and socialists to weasel their way into power and seriously screw everything up. See Sweden, Germany, France, UK.
>>67801724
This. I wish our country had a democracy like the USA where you can actually vote for the candidates of the parties and aren't forced to accept a Merkel at the head of CDU or a Gabriel for the SPD.
>>67801724
Should the west go the way of rome, the republics will collapse and be replaced by empires.
The transitional period ist slowly beginning and people like Trump, Wilders, Farage and Petry will be our Caesars.
>>67801272
It's a bad shop to remove her lazy eye.
http://welt.de/debatte/kommentare/article153357890/Der-Islamkritiker-als-Volksverhetzer.html
>Muslim Immigrant and son of a Egyptian Imam writes book about Mohammed and calls him a mass murderering tyrann.
>gets sued for hate speech
>court takes lawsuit serious
>gets interrogated
What the fuck. How can people s claim we still have freedom of speech
>>67801910
They should at least let you vote to remove them if they suck.
>>67802713
Jura-Student hier
Schutzniveau der Grundrechte:
(1) Jeder hat das Recht, seine Meinung in Wort, Schrift und Bild frei zu äußern und zu verbreiten und sich aus allgemein zugänglichen Quellen ungehindert zu unterrichten. Die Pressefreiheit und die Freiheit der Berichterstattung durch Rundfunk und Film werden gewährleistet. Eine Zensur findet nicht statt.
(2) Diese Rechte finden ihre Schranken in den Vorschriften der allgemeinen Gesetze, den gesetzlichen Bestimmungen zum Schutze der Jugend und in dem Recht der persönlichen Ehre.
mögliche Schranke unter anderem: allgemeine Gesetze
das sind Gesetze, die eine Meinung nicht komplett verbieten wollen und gleichzeitig einem weiterem hochwertigen Rechtsgut helfen, in diesem Fall halt Religionsfreiheit
Vergleiche Religionsfreiheit:
(1) Die Freiheit des Glaubens, des Gewissens und die Freiheit des religiösen und weltanschaulichen Bekenntnisses sind unverletzlich.
(2) Die ungestörte Religionsausübung wird gewährleistet.
Absolut keine Schranken vorhanden. Diese können sich nur aus der Verfassung selbst ergeben.
Wolltest bestimmt keine so genaue Erklärung, sondern einfach nur Luft ablassen, aber wollte jetzt mal mit Uni-Wissen klugscheißern. Ist aber abzusehen, wie der Fall ausgeht. Ich halte es für unwahrscheinlich, dass sie jetzt verurteilt werden.
>>67803384
Yes. I heard that it is possible in the US to vote for the removal of some politics, right? Here, this is only allowed for the mayor in some federal states.
