name at least one significant human achievement that was brought to us by free market and capitalism without government funding (i.e., non-socialist)
>pro-tip: you can't
The automobile
Penicillin
Bang. showed you, queerboat
>Tfw people don't donate to physics research
Fuck
transistor
nylon
>>67759930
fire
I genuinely want to see answers to this.
And Velcro
>>67760090
>automobile
First automobile was made by a Catholic on a mission in China. Being funded by donations is the opposite of capitalism.
>Alexander Fleming
Discovered by Alexander Fleming while working at Saint Mary's in London. Super socialism.
>>67760621
>transistor
Researched by a Canadian at a university prior to moving to the US to patent it.
>>67760721
>nylon
Synthetic polymers were first designed at a university. Not possible without the groundwork they laid.
>>67760750
>fire
Free rocks and sticks provided by nature.
>>67760929
>>fire
>Free rocks and sticks provided by nature.
and therefore no government needed
discovery of calculus
>>67760929
>First automobile was made by a Catholic on a mission in China. Being funded by donations is the opposite of capitalism.
Why would you LIE on an ANONYMOUS imageboard?
> Universities (even private ones) only exist because of Government groundwork
>>67760750
this is a good one
>>67759930
Computer Operating Systems, made so that your barbaric slav-shitskin ass can use a computer and shit post.
>>67760929
Being funded by donations is not the exact opposite of Capitalism, you stupid twat.
Where did you ever get that ridiculous idea?
And as for the Fleming bit, as long as he did that without government help, that's capitalism.
>>67760970
While early groundwork was done by the Greeks, it was Bonaventura Cavalieri who wrote the principles on which it was based. It was done in a religious institution.
Fucking hell, guys, seriously. Two seconds of googling.
>>67761083
Grab yourself "Drive On!: A Social History of the Motor Car." He designed and built it to entertain some random Chink emperor or some shit like that.
>>67761203
So, the government paying his bills and providing tools and assistants for research isn't the same as the government helping him.
/pol/ gets just a little dumber every fucking day.
Does anyone else in this thread think that OP might literally be retarded? His rebuttals are utter nonsense.
>>67760929
Alexander Fleming discovered Alexander Fleming?
>>67761350
I think he's just butthurt because he wanted to believe he was so intelligent that he stumped us.
>>67759930
Airplane
>inb4 some fucking Brazilian posts about some fag that flew a kite before the Wright Brothers
>>67761328
I am sorry OP, you are right about Fleming, my mistake.
However, as far as your automobile comment goes, you are completely wrong.
All innovations happen in spite of government, not because of it.
>>67759930
The Crispr Cas9 Rna guided and highly selective genetic enginering system.
>>67761433
pretty sure the wright bros were not the first ones to invent one
but they were the first ones to make one fly
>>67760090
>>67761083
automobile was made big by with government assistance
>>67761194
>Alan Turing
>>67761433
same as automobile
>>67761350
How about addressing him directly instead of crying about it
>>67761752
>> automobile was made big by with government assistance
> he keeps lying on the internet even after being called out
>>67761589
The Human Genome mapping project by Craig Venter did whst the government scientists wanted to do in 20 years in just 4 with capitalism.
>>67761603
yes, they were the first to successfully fly a powered and controlled flying machine.
just cause some fag jumped off a hill in a glider doesn't mean they invented the airplane
>>67761752
no you fucking idiot, goddamn are all Ruskies literally retarded?
>>67761360
Nice catch
>>67761493
I disagree. I think a huge amount of innovation happens as a direct result of defense spending. Even in ancient times.
>>67761773
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Nice flag, btw. Don't you have some tranny boipussy to smash?
>>67761941
right, I'm sure animal husbandry and agriculture were paid for by defense spending. Give me a fucking break.
Printing press
>>67761863
SANTOS DUMONT
im pretty sure americants take credit for everything that was invented by others
>>67760929
>Free rocks and sticks provided by nature
Just fuck off with this shit thread already.
Government=/=Socialism you fucking cuck. Here is one. The printing press.
>>67761589
There were lighter-than-air craft, like hot air balloons and airships, and there's an arguable thing about a steam powered plane a decade or so before the Wright bros, but the Wright's design was the first powered heavier-than-air craft with steering. Plus the design led to all modern aircraft.
>>67760412
>giving money to autists who watch Stargate all day
>>67762024
I am an uber free market libertarian, and while precious metal work and mining was driven by ancient capitalism, and while I dont doubt that increasing the strength of metal was important fir agriculture, metalurgy was ubdoubtedly benifted by war as a patron.
Nobody can argue that modern genetic engineering and its products, such as insulin production, were made without capitalism though.
How has nobody said the light bulb yet? Seriously? What about the phonograph? The magnetic Iron ore separator? Step it up people...
>>67762003
>resorting to laughing at flag when called out
Pathetic
>Nice flag, btw. Don't you have some tranny boipussy to smash?
I don't get it
>>67761752
>Alan Turing
Wrong the first working operating systems came after his death.
>>67762115
>Written and photographic documentation by the Wrights authenticated by historians show that the 1903 Wright Flyer accomplished takeoffs in a strong headwind without a catapult and made controlled and sustained flight nearly three years before Santos Dumont made his first takeoff.
suck more Brazilian cock faggot
>>67762212
Wrong post replied too
>>67761863
another 'literal' retard.
>>67762250
He thinks you're Thailand and a lady boy
>>67762284
fug, was meant for >>67761603 obviously
>>67762024
>a lot means all
Also, you don't think feeding massive armies drove agricultural innovation?
>>67762115
also since you got BTFO already, what the fuck has anyone from shitskin beanergook Island ever invented?
>>67759930
Moonlanding came to be from competition, the driving force of the free market.
>>67762264
you havent even read the whole story
the first un maned aircraft was first made and flown by dumont
then the wright bros copied the schematics from his first plane
>>67760966
In a capitalistic society rocks cost money, list me some country where you can build stuff without paying for a permit first.
>>67761490
No he's not, you fucking imbecile. Two seconds of googling. You're a goddam moron.
>>67759930
Shamwow!
I have nothing else to say.
>>67761194
Linux and mac os are both Unix derived operating systems. Unix is heavily derived from Multics, it's name is fucking pun shit that developers worked earlier on. Multics started as...
>Project MAC
>On July 1, 1963, Project MAC (the Project on Mathematics and Computation, later backronymed to Multiple Access Computer, Machine Aided Cognitions, or Man and Computer) was launched with a $2 million grant from the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA). Project MAC's original director was Robert Fano of MIT's Research Laboratory of Electronics (RLE). Fano decided to call MAC a "project" rather than a "laboratory" for reasons of internal MIT politics—if MAC had been called a laboratory, then it would have been more difficult to raid other MIT departments for research staff. The program manager responsible for the DARPA grant was J.C.R. Licklider, who had previously been at MIT conducting research in RLE, and would later succeed Fano as director of Project MAC.
>>67762217
the first arrows were made with stone, as were many farming implements.
Seriously, you go far enough back and you don't need government to discover some of the most important technologies that everything else was built upon. Fire is putting a stick into a bush or tree lit by lightning. an arrow is a sharp rock attached to a stick flung by pulluingback on the dried entrails of an animal attached to another stick. agriculture is putting a seed in the ground and just making sure it grows and then harvesting it. All things that could be discovered individually without the need for complex government of the kind the OP is describing, all major human achievements.
>>67762378
it only grew to feed large communities once they got past hunter/gatherer
>>67762467
We're talking about a time before countries, Germany. We were still literally just tribes.Rocks cost nothing because there were no nations yet when fire was discovered. Also, fire could have been discovered without rock as outlined above.
>>67762383
a quick search on Wikipedia and all of a sudden you think you know shit about aeronautics history
read a book faggot
>>67762345
Not the Thailand part, but I do think he's a ladyboy.
Also, pretty sure there's a decent amount of Tranny's in Singapore...
>>67762436
>the first trials of the aircraft were made at Santos-Dumont's grounds on 22 July 1906
>1906
>1903 Wright Flyer
>1903
???
>>67762490
I'm sorry, which comment are you referring to? The automobile comment or the Fleming argument?
>>67762635
Yeah but being American, we're ignorant. Every seasian country is either Thailand or Malaysia
>>67762514
>advertised heavily on TV, a platform regulated by the FCC
Try again.
>>67762723
Well not to me, because I'm not a fucking moron and I've actually looked at a world map before.
Maybe next year though.
>>67759930
Governments bailed out the banks,
> Thats a socialist success right guys?
>>67759930
HOW IS THAT FLAG WAVING IN THE WIND?
>>67762846
But you're not the average burger.
>>67762570
>large communities happened before agriculture
Negative.
>>67762981
I literally just said that.
>>67762408
hmmmm.... sure, there were contracted private companies working on every aspect of the programs but the driving force and $20 billion came from the government.
>>67762938
Why the bantz against your fellow Americans? We are not so bad, we are greatest country on Earth comrade!
CCD (Bell Labs)
>>67762640
John Stringfellow invented the first unmanned airplane
dumont made modifications
wright bros saw the dumont design and made theirs first that flew for 12 seconds
dumont was the first design that could be flown by a person the wright bros just made it first
>>67761603
Nope they invented the first actual flying machine.
Jumping off a cliff and gliding is not truly flying.
>>67763422
>Jumping off a cliff and gliding is not truly flying.
You cannot be serious.
>>67763007
You seemed to imply that agriculture happened because societies moved past hunter/gatherer. Also, you're implying that agriculture was a singular innovation and nothing done within agriculture counts as innovation and none of those non-innovations had anything to do with war.
>>67763111
I was thinking more along the lines of USA vs USSR and how it acts as stimulus to do things. Free market mechanic at work albeit in a meta way.
I'm not the >full anarchy fag, but to claim capitalism and free market is useless and overshadowed by the benefits planned economy is pure undiluted stupidity.
>>67763459
Gliding =/= powered flight. This is a 100% factual and serious statement.
>>67763503
Yeah, I got that just after I hit 'post'. Good point.
>>67763484
it did happen because small societies moved past hunter/gatherer. There were more specialists and, therefore, less people able to go ut and get food. It was discovered, likely by medicine men, that plants could be cultivated. That was scaled up and hunter/gatherer cultures settled down in one place to grow things and also tamed food animals around the same time. It was likely a period of hundreds to thousands of years.
>Also, you're implying that agriculture was a singular innovation and nothing done within agriculture counts as innovation and none of those non-innovations had anything to do with war.
I'm talking about the very beginning of agriculture, which, yes, likely had nothing to do with war. Implements were made with bone, wood, and rock. bronze and iron would not be discovered for thousands of years.
>>67763555
Flight doesn't need to be powered to be flight.
>>67759930
Faking the moon landing could have been done not only much cheaper but also more effectively and more convincingly by private organisations.
>>67759930
>>67759930
Government funding != Socialism you absolute mong.
>unlimited energy
>tesla
>>67759930
You should be proud of Yuri Gagarin, comrade. I wouldn't post hollywood landing pics if I were you.
>>67763780
Innovation =/= invention. You seem to be conflating the two. There are plenty of agricultural innovations that happened as a result of the state's efforts in improving its capacity for war.
>>67764150
yeah, great. I'm talking about the first time it was discovered and done. This is the third time I've said that. I'm not talking about the innovations after.
>>67759930
The airplane, steam power, vaccines, germ theory. OP btfo, yet again.
>>67761328
>So, the government paying his bills and providing tools and assistants for research isn't the same as the government helping him.
donations aren't the same thing as gov't funding
>>67761328
>It was done in a religious institution.
Which are private, free market institutions.
>>67759930
the end of widespread poverty
>>67763874
>more convincingly
>>67759930
Any achievement of a primarily market driven society is a capitalist achievement. All government money is sourced from the economy's taxpayers
>>67764261
>Innovation is often funded by war spending
>hurr durr they didn't INVENT agriculture because of war
Nice argument you contrarian fuck. How about innovating your reading comprehension skills.
>>67764596
my reading comprehension skills? You're the one that conflated invention with innovation. OP was talking about achievements, which are a one-time thing. It's not my fault you confused yourself and fail at reading comprehension yourself.
>>67764792
>OP
Funny, the post you responded to wasn't replying to the OP, it was a post that said all innovation happens in spite of the government.
>finding the cure for polio wasn't an achievement because it was just a medical innovation
>transcontinental railroad wasn't an achievement because they didn't discover ironworking
The invention of bronze, steel, roads, bridges, medicine, etc.
We've never had a need for governments to invent stuff.
At best they can redirect resources towards stuff they care about.
>>67760929
charity is something that happens in capitalistic societies without any assistance from the government
>>67759930
Railways
Most railways you see today were built by private investors way back. The government doesn't do shit in regard to trains
>>67765230
shit, fine. I'm just tired. innovation was driven by war eventually. I was originally talking about the invention of it. Must have skimmed over innovation.
>>67763874
kek
>the only semi-correct examples in the thread are ancient stuff like fire and bronze
>>67759930
>think x was capitalism
>no, thing x was invented by government subsidies
The biggest point of capitalism i think is being missed. It is not the actual invention, but bring that item/service to the mass and going Jew on them
>>67759930
smartphones
>>67765811
list incorrect examples and reasoning plz
>>67766937
Based on tech developed with government funding. Also tons of government subsidies for networks.
