>>67709261
It boils down to the rule of man vs the rule of law. In democracies people's will is suprime above all. In republics the constitution and thewritten law is above all.

>>67709261
There are not democracies now

Only 'representative' republics

People have no power, besides a silly vote.

>>67710230
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8vVEbCquMw

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>>67709261
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

>>67710230
they shouldn't
the average voter is a dumbfuck
I think only Switzerland has referendums on important issues, and that's because it hasa 600+ year old republican tradition

>>67710864
Yes, democracy is not well regarded because is the tyranny of the poor over the rich, but i think that publicizing our current political system as 'democracy' is unnaceptable, and should be punishable by death.

>>67710574
that was surprisingly a pretty good video. I'll be following that channel from now on

The terms originated in the classical world. Classical authors divided government into four types: monarchy, aristocracy, democracy, or republic. The only qualification for these governments was the amount of people given power. In a monarchy, one person was in control. In an aristocracy, a small group of individuals was in control. In a democracy, the general populace was in control.

The term republic was first coined to simply mean a government and public services, (respublica, "public thing") but eventually came to refer to a form of "mixed government". Executive and judicial public offices, usually controlled by one or two magistrates, represented the "monarchic" branch. The Senate, usually controlled by the upper classes of society, represented the "aristocratic" branch. The assemblies, elections and juries where people could vote on public officials and crimes represented the "democratic" branch.

Nowadays, "democracy" refers to any form of government where the government derives its legitimacy from the people, and a republic refers to a form of government in which the Head of State is appointed, elected or alloted rather than inherited. Therefore, under the old definition America is a Republic and not a Democracy, since it maintains both rule by one (the President), rule by the few (the Congress) and rule by the many (the general elections) as factors of government.

However, by the modern definition, America is both a Republic and a Democracy; the Head of State is elected; and the government derives its power from the people. By this definition, Greece is also both a republic and a democracy.

>>67712873

TL;DR: There are two definitions of republic and democracy:

Republic
1. A form of government where power is handed both to groups, individuals and the general populace at the same time (contrasted with other forms of government)
2. A form of government where the Head of State is elected, appointed or alloted, rather than given by inheritance.

Democracy
1. A form of government in which all power is invested in the general populace, and in which any public positions are given by sortition.
2. A form of government deriving its legitimacy from the people.

The United States of America is both a democracy AND a republic, or specifically is a federal presidential constitutional republic. (More on that later.) The key to understanding this statement is by defining all terms involved.

Over the course of history, we have had two definitions of democracy, which has led to confusion in distinguishing between the two with one capitalized as “Democracy” and the other as lower-case “democracy”.

Small “d” democracy is an umbrella term to describe a variety forms of democratic governments that we have today or had in the past. (An analogy: Dog is an umbrella term to describe a variety of dog breeds that there are in the world.) Small “d” democracy is defined as a government where all the people of a state are involved in making decisions about its affairs either directly or indirectly. There are two main forms or sub-categories of democracy.

Big “D” Democracy is known today as a pure democracy, or a direct democracy. This is a variant or sub-category of the umbrella term (small “d”) democracy. Pure democracy is defined as a form of democratic government where the people decide policy either by voting or forming a consensus on. In a pure democracy, the people are directly involved in governmental affairs. Ancient Athens had this form of democracy, which is also known as Athenian democracy. For the most part, this form of government is very rare today, however, it does exist in the form of ballot initiatives like referendums on the state level in the United States, or certain Swiss districts. NOTE: The United States is NOT considered a pure democracy even though some of the states have ballot initiatives.

>>67713103

The other sub-category or variant of (small “d”) democracy is a representative democracy, or an indirect democracy. Representative democracy is defined as a form of democratic government where the people elect officials, or representatives, to create and implement policy on behalf of the people. In a representative democracy, the people are indirectly involved in government. NOTE: All Western-style democracies are examples of a representative democracy.

Expanding even further on representative democracy, there are two forms: a constitutional monarchy (e.g. United Kingdom) and a constitutional republic (e.g. United States). Constitutional monarchies are also known as limited monarchies and they are essentially the metamorphosis from an absolute monarchy (i.e. rule of royalty) to a representative democracy through a constitution (i.e. rule of law). Constitutional monarchy is defined as a form of monarchical government where the monarch’s powers are limited by law or by a formal constitution, which allows the government to have a representative democracy. Constitutional republic is defined as a form of representative democratic government where the government’s powers are limited by law or a formal constitution, and does not have a monarch as a head of state.

Regarding the Founding Fathers: yes, they frequently did voice their disdain of (big “D”) Democracy as well as praised the idea of our country as a Republic. The Founders simply did not trust the people to directly create policy out of the fear of a majority rule, or mob rule. However, their fear was/is justified because a majority rule does have the potential to infringe on a minority group’s rights.

>>67713103
>>67713199

The problem is that language evolves over time and alternate words can have the same definition as another word in the past. To clarify, the terms representative democracy and pure democracy were not used during the time of the Founding Fathers. Their definition of (big “D”) Democracy is the same definition of a pure democracy and their definition of a Republic is the same definition of a representative democracy. The reason why terms are different today is to provide clarification as well as to simplify the issue of democracy having two definitions. Be careful when reading terms in the past. The terms are NOT important; what DEFINES them are. Definitions usually transcend time while words change. Words either lose all meaning and/or adopt a new meaning. If you trace the definitions from then to now, you will be able to connect the dots to the modern word.

Now some may say, “Wait a minute, a Republic is a rule of law, not a rule of people!” You are correct, at least in the classical sense. In modern times, rule of law is an extra component through a constitution, which is defined as a set of fundamental principles according to which a state is governed. At the time, a republic was at default defined to be a “rule of law.”

>>67713199
>>67713267

Today, the simplest definition of a republic is a government where offices of the state, such as the Head of State, is elected or appointed rather than inherited (i.e. a monarch). Basically, any government that does not have a monarch as a Head of State is a republic, which means a (small “r”) republican government can be either democratic or authoritarian. As defined, we know that the presence of a constitution acts as a safeguard to protect the rights of all citizens in a democratic society, which helps to prevent a republic from becoming a dictatorship. There are over a 140 countries today that refer to themselves officially as a republic, but not all of them are truly free and provide a democratic process. Cuba is officially known as the Republic of Cuba, and yet Cuba has a single-party rule. Therefore, a republic does NOT automatically guarantee a nation as being a “rule of law.”

So, next time you hear someone say, “American democracy” or “democracy in action”, they are perhaps referring to a representative democracy for the former and the umbrella term (small “d”) democracy for the latter. There is nothing wrong with that and just as appropriate as is referring to our country as a constitutional republic, which is simply more specific than the other terms. The United States of America IS a democracy, a representative democracy, and a constitutional republic. It is NOT a pure democracy (for the most part; see above). This is a great phrase to sum EVERYTHING up:

“All constitutional republics are democracies, but not all democracies are constitutional republics.” (An analogy: All Siberian Huskies are dogs, but not all dogs are Siberian Huskies.)

Governments are very complicated, and power structure and power sources at times overlap with one another. It is very easy to lose meaning when we simplify things, but we owe it to one another to try and be as sincere and efficient as possible in our delivery.

>>67709261
democracy is a political system

republic is a form of government

you can have a non republican democracy and a non democratic republic

What constitutes modern electoral politics isn't republicanism. It's mass representative democracy. The US at its beginning was a republic but that's no longer the case. It has descended to a state of mass democracy.

Democracy is the death throes of a government. Democracy is always the cause of the fall. So long as democracy reigns it must inevitably come to an end. Democracy isn't a system of governance. It's a state of decline; the final state.

The definition of a republic from the late 18th century that shares the same definition with today's term: representative democracy. Terms had to be moved around because after America was founded, many countries around the world that had an absolute monarchy were transitioning towards a limited monarchy, which is a type of representative democracy. The old definition of republic did NOT properly describe these new democratic countries, so words had to adapt.

Today, the simplest definition of a republic is a government where offices of the state, such as the Head of State, is elected or appointed rather than inherited (i.e. a monarch). Basically, any government that does not have a monarch as a Head of State is a republic. If a representative democracy with a constitution has a monarch as the Head of State (In Australia's case, Queen Elizabeth II), then they are a constitutional monarchy, or limited monarchy as mentioned above. Since the United States is a representative democracy with a constitution and we do NOT have a monarch as the Head of State (i.e. the President of USA), we are considered a constitutional republic.

>>67709261
Republic means power comes from the people being ruled obeying you.
Democracy means the people make decisions.

A country can be either or both. Latin American Dictatorships were as Republican as America because they claimed their power came from the people they ruled, unlike the Kingdoms of Europe whose right to power come from literally owning the land, divine right, etc. Conversely, you can also be a non-Republic Democracy, such as the UK, where the power comes from the Queen and what she recognizes as her government, but it is the British Populace who actually elect people and have them do things.

Democracies also may go even deeper and just have no officials at all, and have everyone vote for everything. This being stupid and impractical, most Democracies are representative.

>>67709261
democracy is jew controlled mediocracy
republic all the way
or dictatorship

There is no practical difference. A republic is a democracy. You won't find anyone with any credibility arguing otherwise.

>>67714040
>republic all the way
you mean like the USSR?

>>67709261
In a Republic the people elect leaders to change laws

In a Democracy people vote on the laws

>>67714449
That's a direct democracy. There is also representative democracy, which is indistinguishable from a republic.

>>67714619
Why call it a representative democracy whenever you can just make it easier to understand and call it a Republic

>>67714835
Call it what you want as long as you recognize that they essentially refer to the same thing.

>>67714234
I mean like the U.S. before jewish takeover in XX century