www.nytimes.com/2016/03/17/world/asia/north-korea-otto-warmbier-sentenced.html
>An American college student who tearfully apologized for trying to steal a political propaganda poster from his hotel in Pyongyang, the North Korean capital, was sentenced on Wednesday to 15 years of prison and hard labor.
>But even by North Korea’s standards, the punishment for Mr. Warmbier appeared to be extreme for an act that might amount to a harmless misdemeanor elsewhere. The Obama administration, along with Mr. Warmbier’s other American supporters and rights activists, denounced the sentence.
>Gov. John Kasich of Ohio, a Republican candidate for president, said in a statement on his website that Mr. Warmbier’s detention “was completely unjustified and the sentence North Korea imposed on him is an affront to concepts of justice.”
>Over the years, North Korea has used detained Americans to try to gain diplomatic leverage against Washington. Some detainees were released only after prominent Americans, like the former presidents Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton, visited Pyongyang.
>>67677910
>The Obama administration, along with Mr. Warmbier’s other American supporters and rights activists, denounced the sentence.
So, what are they going to do to get him out?
>>67678055
Murricans have been imprisoned before over there. They only way they get out early is if U.S. officials go over there and personally pay their bail. Last person to go over there was Bill Clinton I think, to free some journalists.
>>67677910
>trying to steal a political propaganda poster from his hotel in Pyongyang
I hope he learns his lesson :^)
>>67677910
He's about to get strong if he isn't already.
>>67678055
send some frozen burgers to his prison
Why doesn't USA just throw a neutron bomb on DPRK and be done with it?
>>67677910
>trying to steal
Wasn't it that he confessed stealing something in a restricted area of the hotel? That's a different story.
>>67679166
I believe they caught him when he was trying to leave the country with the banner in his pack.
>>67678449
Fucking show your respects
>Otto Warmbier
>Otto Warmbeer
notsureifsrs
Hey, we have to tolerate that other countries have different culture!
Come on, it's 2016!
>>67680044
hes american, not English.
>>67677910
leftist idiot just got what he was asking for
>going to north korea see how beautiful socialism is
>regimes aren't real, that wouldn't be democratic!
>top kek I will fuck with them cause I be best
>ow fuck, they detained me, cry
>cry more, because it is so heroic to cry
>really, why don't you believe me?! *sob*
>only true men are not afraid to cry!!
>omg, you are all so everything-phobic! I HATE you!
>>67680503
yeah but his name is german, thats the point... I just wrote down the english translation of his name. it sounds so fucking retarded.
>>67680596
Not quite.
>In a tearful statement made before his trial, Warmbier told a gathering of reporters in Pyongyang he was offered a used car worth $10,000 if he could get a propaganda banner and was also told that if he was detained and didn't return, $200,000 would be paid to his mother in the form of a charitable donation.
>Warmbier said he accepted the offer because his family was "suffering from very severe financial difficulties."
>Warmbier also said he had been encouraged by the university's "Z Society," which he said he was trying to join. The magazine of the university's alumni association describes the Z Society as a "semi-secret ring society" founded in 1892 that conducts philanthropy, puts on honorary dinners and grants academic awards.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/03/16/north-korea-sentences-american-tourist-to-15-years-in-prison-with-hard-labor.html
>>67679845
i wonder what would happen if someone tried to steal some painting from a white house or the capitol
>>67677910
Wait that's his real name?
Fucking Otto Warm-Beer?
What the fuck. Is this shit real?
>>67680975
That's some white boy shit man, fucking telling some nigga you'll pay for his mother's operation if he does something stupid.
>>67677910
He broke North Korean law and now he's facing Kim's wrath.
>>67677910
It's called raise the stakes before the nuclear test in NK.
They know USA is weak internaly, they want that the US snap and attack first.
Don't do this brobama, i know deep inside you're /pol/ material. Don't fuck the Don
>>67680975
This is fucking retarded.
Why was he in north Korea in the first place? He could of gotten a god damn job and bought a 10k car while he was busy fucking around whatever hoops you need to jump through to even get to north Korea.
This was all over 10k? The 200k is irrelevant because I'm sure he didn't plan on getting arrrested over there.
He literally could of sucked cock for a 10k car in 2 weeks.
I feel bad that he's so fucked now but man its hard to sympathize with these people who go out of their way to visit these garbage parts of the world, the fuck is wrong with you? Its like those bitches that go to Africa and predictably get violently raped and sometimes murdered by dindus.
What the fuck did you think would happen???
I think anyone attempting to leave a civilized country to go visit one of these shit holes should be required to spend a week on /pol/ first. Then if you know what you know and still go, you're on your own brudda man
>>67678390
>He's about to get strong if he isn't already.
Not with the way everyone but the political elite is rumored to be starving.
![tumblr_moz0rx8lzE1sqv808o1_250[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/bQ0Hw4A.gif "tumblr_moz0rx8lzE1sqv808o1_250[1].gif")
>stealing from the most despotic country on Earth
>a country known for throwing people and their whole family in jail for life for minor crimes
This is some next level idiocy.
>>67677910
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
>>67682467
It's okay, since he's an American they know that he'll eventually get released thanks to some deal and get a fuckton of press coverage so they're going to treat him with kids gloves. They need to feed him well because if he looks Auschwitz on the news it makes NK look bad.
It's funny that NK tries so hard to hide that they have no food and the country is fucked, even though literally everybody on the planet knows it. It's like, who are they even trying to fool? They are fooling nobody. I dont see why they bother
>>67679845
>Guy cries and thinks 15 years in a labor camp is harsh.
>IS A WHITE MALE
>>67677910
>Warmbier
kek
>>67683074
desu 15 years in a NORTH KOREAN labor camp is probably the worst prison conditions of anyplace on Earth. Hell, just being a normal free citizen in North Korea is worse conditions than most prisons in the world.
>>67683074
Yeah, this teenager is directly responsible for any labor slaves had to do in the 1800's.
lmao
His boipussy is going to be fucked everyday by the officials :^)
>>67683529
I'm saying he lives life on easy mode. He doesn't know what it's like to truly live a life of suffering (being a woman or a man of color living in America).
>>67683808
Take it
>>67678055
They have denounced it. :^)
>>67683808
Proof of why Canadians are the worst posters on this board
>>67682443
>could of
>>67683435
the average north korean is less likely to be shot than the average burger.
also, is less likely to be cuckd by a nigger.
>>67683074
I would cry and shit my pants, when they say hard labour they fucking mean it.
>>67684550
yeah, they're more likely to get shot by their overseers, or starve to death
>>67684550
>Says americans get cuckd
>Is cannadian
Brilliant to be honnest.
>>67684183
>pissed burger
Send troops to NK, later cry and call them to go home.
He's gonna get eaten in the camps.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoeryong_concentration_camp
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaechon_internment_camp
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pukchang_concentration_camp
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yodok_concentration_camp
>>67685113
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihUOHARC_Og
>>67684752
go watch a vice documentary or whatever burgers do to get their brain washed by propaganda.
>still replying to canadians
>>67678837
>Poland in charge of nuclear weapon strategy
because then South Korea is kill and China gets mad at us and then nuclear World War 3
>>67684434
>watching cam releases
>>67680044
ikr - 15 years in north korean prison is nothing compared to having a shitname like that
>>67683776
Good for him that he will barely feel it.
>>67685632
Weapons have limited radius.
>>67685342
Oh, so you've done your research. Mao was a capitalist too, huh?
Cuck
What is the source of any of this? All the articles mention 'a press release' but North Korean state media hasn't mentioned this story, there's no such thing as independent media in North Korea and they don't let foreign journalists in the country.
I smell the work of a nation.
Dumbass. What did he think would happen?
I dindu nuffin
t.rachel corrie
protip to you fags
dont visit north korea unless youre a chink or singaporean chink
"Relationships between the two countries are warm and friendly if not active at the official level. However, there is some trade and investment in DPRK from Singapore, especially with consumer goods.
DPRK citizens can enter Singapore visa-free.[2] Singaporeans holding a normal passport can also obtain this visa waiver for both business and tourism after obtaining authorization from the North Korean government, allowing themselves to visit North Korea for a period of up to 30 days without a visa. [3] North Koreans occasionally travel to Singapore for medical treatment."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea%E2%80%93Singapore_relations
>>67687204
GLORY TO GLORIOUS LEADER OF GLORIOUS KOREA AND THE GLORIOUS CITIZENS GLORIOUSLY LIVING AND WORKING FOR THE COMMON GLORY THAT IS THE MOST GLORIOUS OF ALL GLORIES
I know people who know this guy. Apparently he got piss drunk and mouthed off to the police. He was on his way out at the time.
The whole stealing a banner thing for his church I think is a propaganda stunt by NKorea.
>>67677910
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
>>67688634
Fuckin Saint Pancake.
>>67686759
well.. um argentina-"don't call me white"-anon lenin, mao, stalin, all of them were capitalists who ran the guise of a socialist state..
what do you think communism is? it's nothing more than an idea, just like capitalism. the problem with communism, historically speaking, is that you have to kill/remove capitalists and other "free thinkers" and you have to maintain the state through violence. but then you have to be able to export/import with other states so that you don't inevitably starve like NK
how does communism truly work? see: NWO, catholic church/jesuit army, jewwminati
>>67684434
Juddy Hopps was a creature created by Jewish Disney group, made for the single purpose that I spend my time jerking off to her smelly gaping rabbit holes with my high quality onaholes instead of finding an Aryan waifu.
>>67677910
That nigga was literally crying
Kim might add some years for that
>>67678055
Of course they're not going to get him out.
He broke a foreign nation's laws, and while it's legal to disagree with the laws, the US has no right to defy them.
The most the US can do is use backroom channels and quiet diplomacy to get him sprung. But I don't think it will work because this is North Korea and they really don't like America, of course, and money is no real incentive for them to give up a point of pride: a young, white American citizen. They're going to regard him as a trophy, a symbol of NK's power over the US. They won't let him go.
More to the point though is that it is the traveler's responsibility to be familiar with a foreign nation's laws before visiting it, and to abide by those laws as the US has no jurisdiction there. That sounds obvious, but reading these threads, it seems that a LOT of Americans think that they can act any way they want in foreign lands and that the US government will bail them out as required. That's just not the case.
The state department does not exist to bail out morons who volunteer to unnecessarily go to the most dangerous dictatorships on Earth only to fuck around with the laws. If anything, as the Sec of State, I'd be so embarrassed by the stupidity of that kid that, if anything, I'd revoke his citizenship and pretend he never existed.
he had no business being there.
btw 15 years in a work camp is NK actually a death sentence, people don't come out of there.
.
Typical spoiled westerner. I don't go to Thailand and spit on the Royal kings fence, in fact when I'm in another country I'm extra good and legal behaving.
He sounds like a typical women, thought there would be no conuquineses, thinks he could do whatever he wanted whereever he wanted
>>67689206
Bunnies are superior to womyn, fellow furfag.
>>67689639
>>67689639
Or they do?
https://www.nknews.org/2014/11/matthew-millers-excellent-adventure-in-north-korea/
>>67684550
>>67685342
I don't know when it happened but Canadians are by far the worst posters on /pol/. You even put Romania and Sweden to shame.
>>67689206
>>67689768
>Tfw you fucked the goyim up too hard
>>67677910
He's an idiot and deserves it. Why the hell would you go to North Korea in the first place?
>>67677910
>www.nytimes.com/2016/03/17/world/asia/north-korea-otto-warmbier-sentenced.html
>tour group to north korea
you wat mate?
Touring a country that routinely takes part in kidnappings of Japanese and South Korean citizens? that is still in an a official state of war with korea?
Yeah, I don't take tours of the killing fields of Somalia either. I don't take tours of south los Angeles gang held terrorty either.
>>67684550
You have no idea what North Korea is like. It is literally modeled after Orwell's 1984. There is no freedom at all.
>>67690007
>>67689768
3dpd can't compete.
https://e621.net/post/show/847160/anthro-butt-clitoris-clothing-disney-dress-eyelash
>>67689950
As a Canadian I apologize for the stupidity of that other Canuck. The authorities have been alerted and he will be gassed immediately.
>>67690100
I've got friends who visit NK twice a year. Works out fine for them. Then again they don't steal stuff.
send trump
Reminder to self: never vacation in totalitarian states.
>>67689548
Yeah, but people are still gonna be pissed that a 21 year old kid is gonna be held in a goddamn prison camp for 15 goddamned years.
And the God Emperor won't tolerate such an offense. As soon as HE takes office, he's gonna force Kim's hand.
>>67685342
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoeryong_concentration_camp
Hoeryong concentration camp is a prison camp in North Korea...The camp is a maximum security area, completely isolated from the outside world.[1] Prisoners and their families are held in lifelong detention.
In the 1990s there were an estimated 50,000 prisoners in the camp.[14] Prisoners are mostly people who criticized the government,[15] people deemed politically unreliable (such as South Korean prisoners of war, Christians, returnees from Japan)[16] or purged senior party members.[17] Based on the guilt by association principle (Korean: 연좌제, yeonjwaje) they are often imprisoned together with the whole family including children and the elderly.[12] All prisoners are detained until they die; they are never released.[18]
Former guard An Myong-chol describes the conditions in the camp as harsh and life-threatening.[23] He recalls the shock he felt upon his first arrival at the camp, where he likened the prisoners to walking skeletons, dwarfs, and cripples in rags.[12][24] An estimates that about 30% of the prisoners have deformities, such as torn off ears, smashed eyes, crooked noses, and faces covered with cuts and scars resulting from beatings and other mistreatment. Around 2,000 prisoners, he says, have missing limbs, but even prisoners who need crutches to walk must still work.[25]
Pt 1/2
>>67691492
Con't...
Prisoners get 6.3 oz of corn per meal (two times a day), with almost no vegetables and no meat.[26] The only meat in their diets is from rats, snakes or frogs that they catch.[12][27] Ahn estimates that 1,500–2,000 people die of malnutrition there every year, mostly children.[14]
Children get only very basic education.[29] From six years on they get work assigned...many children die before the age of ten years.[30] Elderly prisoners have the same work requirements as other adults.[31] Seriously ill prisoners are quarantined, abandoned, and left to die.[32]
Prisoners have to do hard physical labour in agriculture, mining and factories from 5:00 am to 8:00 pm (7:00 pm in winter),[13] followed by ideological re-education and self-criticism sessions.[36]
The mines are not equipped with safety measures and, according to Ahn, prisoners were killed almost every day. They have to use primitive tools, such as shovels and picks, and are forced to work to exhaustion.[19] Kwon Hyuk reported that corpses are simply loaded into cargo coaches ...to be burnt in a melting furnace.[18]
Pt 2/2
Time to call in the lads tbqh
>>67683529
hes 21 lmfao
also why the fuck would you steal anything in the most inhumane place in the world
Otto von warmpiss 15 year edition
>>67690911
Get serious. No one in the state department gives a fuck about that kid. No one is going to go to war over a kid that stupid. It IS his fault. He went abroad and broke the laws of the land. It's not the US government's problem.
>>67677910
It sucks for him but he deserves it for being stupid enough to try stealing from North Korea.
>there are children who get born and grow to adulthood in the prison camps
North Korean Bane when?
>>67682443
There's no super secret thing you have to do to enter NK. There are readily available tourism packages online.
>>67677910
>america cries
funny when america has more prisoners than any country on the planet and has online registries to search criminals.
>>67690911
>And the God Emperor won't tolerate such an offense. As soon as HE takes office, he's gonna force Kim's hand
>This is what /pol/ actually believes
>>67692445
This.
Lmao typical fucktard white person traveling outside burgerland. Hope he serves all 15 years and dies forgotten.
Don't worry Otto, Trump will rescue you on inauguration day, as Obongo is a pussy in chief.
>>67691829
the laws in north korea are a retarded clusterfuck unworthy of acknowledgement by cultured men and this is political posturing. he's essentially a hostage. it wouldn't surprise me if the entire thing was sham by north korea to force us to send them extra rice this year.
even if he had broken a serious law, it's north korea. who gives a fuck what north korea thinks.
now that i think about it, north korea has been in the news a lot lately. what if he's a deep cover agent providing justification for military action?
no one in america cares about the laws of sovereign nations. we're better than that. we all want seal team 6 to bust this guy out.
>traveling to North Korea
>>67683074
He'll probably be dead within 3 years
>>67684434
could have.
You're welcome.
>>67679845
>While the college student was being detained, the New York Times has received information from an inside source that the student protested his sentence while being carried away by military personal by repeatedly yelling out "ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?"
>>67693020
>"I'm a WHITE MALE!"
>>67692776
I don't think so. I've read most of their laws and they have a pretty consistent system.
After their 2004 revision of the criminal code they really did take some great steps in the right direction.
>>67680975
confirmed for cia psyop to justify military action to the american people.
a secret society associated with a university just outside DC approaches a man with a sick mother and offers him a huge sum of money to do something retarded in north korea at the height of the yearly nk/us bitchfest.
KIM CONFIRMED FOR BIG GUY
Maybe he shouldn't have broken the law in a famously harsh place that doesn't like the country he came from.
>>67677910
>15 years labor for stealing propaganda
The sentence every SJW deserves.
>>67677910
>>67693321
Imagine if that's how we treated people who stole Trump signs.
>>67677910
Wish we'd treat robbers like that here
Hell we have a fuckton of infrastructure we need to fix, we should use them for that.
Why am i not happy /pol/
I see my country be awarded again and again. But i do not see this reflection on the people.
>>67693288
My question is: why the fuck did he travel there in the first place? Who the fuck would ever want to go to that hellhole dictatorship?
I mean my first impression would be "he's a pretentious liberal douche", but I'm keeping an open mind here.
He'll serve 6 months of that sentence probably. He should enjoy his korean summer camp watering grass and planting apple trees while getting an inside look at NK for his inevitable best-selling book
>>67690328
You called weedman?
>>67693945
People like to vacation and tour.
I've got multiple friends who go there at least twice a year.
People enjoy stuff.
Pic, Masikryong Ski Resort in NK.
>>67692776
You're retarded. The grown ups are in control. They will not send seal team 6. Chuck Norris will not save the day. The state department repeatedly tells all travelers to obey the laws of foreign nations and that they are responsible for their own legal concerns. They are also often advised not to travel to countries on "black lists". NK is on that list. The state department has covered its ass fully in this matter. It has no obligation to help the retards who disregard state department warnings and who break foreign laws.
Why do Americans think that life is like an action movie? I guess that's what happens when you never travel. The world is what Hollywood tells you it is.
>>67681144
Kek, didnt even notice although his name is dutch.
>>67693215
>I've read most of their laws
>>67694082
Yeah but how would you not be deathly afraid of what happened to exactly the person who is the topic of OP's post?
Why go somewhere to be in fear of long-term imprisonment and hard labor with no hope for release when you could just go, idk, fucking ANYWHERE ELSE?
Holy fucking shit there aren't good ski resorts ANYWHERE in the world? Really? That's your excuse?
>North Koreaboo
Are you a NK shill or something? I remember seeing some guy supporting everything NK recently around these parts...
>>67693215
>I've read most of their laws and they have a pretty consistent system.
From the US State Department:
>The Department of State strongly recommends against all travel by U.S. citizens to North Korea (Democratic People's Republic of Korea, or DPRK). This replaces the Travel Warning for North Korea of April 15, 2015, to reiterate and highlight the risk of arrest and long-term detention due to the DPRK’s INCONSISTENT [my emphasis] application of its criminal laws.
https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/alertswarnings/north-korea-travel-warning.html
>>67681144
Guess her mom's name? Ulrike Oktoberfest.
Why did he go to North Korea in the first place? It's like a death sentence.
Otto spelled backwards is Otto
>>67692776
>implying the US would ever risk war over someone this retarded
Even if this whole thing was a sham and they're imprisoning him as a ploy to get more food, he still willingly went to north korea. Dumbass probably watched The Interview or some shit and though it would be hi-fuckin-larious to bring a souvenir back for his chode sucking bros back home.
>>67694462
Because I, and the people I know, don't go trespassing or stealing things - we tend to follow the law.
I'm not scared of it at all, they're not scared of it at all. It's not that hard to not get arrested.
And no, there are ski resorts in lots of places. As cheap and unpopulated as this? Maybe not, but people like to travel.
Nah, I'm not a shill, I'm just a US law-working citizen who studies NK a lot, so I offer info here since a lot of people for whatever reason don't have, or don't look for, source material. So I answer questions and include quotes from their laws, books, etc. along with pics so people can see stuff they may find interesting.
How would NK fare against a war with the US?
>NK has 7 million in their army
>>67694736
So you're a shill. Got it. Thanks for confirming.
>>67694771
and nooks
>>67694503
I'm very familiar with the state warning. That doesn't say anything about their exact laws.
>>67694771
Unless those 7 million can fly, they won't do much good against bombers.
haha dumbass got rekt
He totally deserved it
>>67694935
Sure, bruh, whatever you say. There have been lots of folks contributing really interesting info about NK in the threads, and for whatever reason they all get called shill.
I don't mind tho, i'll be ur personal shill <3
>>67694771
they'd be bombed to shit and never leave their country, the real threat is China backing them up
>>67677910
This guy probably would have been a Bernie voter.
>>67692838
This.
If you are stupid enough to tempt fate by visiting a land with the world's most authoritarian laws and a track record of arbitrary detention, you deserve every micropenis in the gulag.
>>67677910
>travel to a dictatorship which is known for even executing family members of the dictator
>rip propaganda posters off
Natural selection in action lads
Even in tamer countries like Yugoslavia youd still get your head kicked by cops and after that thrown behind bars for ripping propaganda posters off.
>>67677910
>Degenerate commits a crime
>gets punished for said crime
>WAAH HE A GOOD MURRICAN HE DINDU NUFFIN
he's basically a hostage. for the right price, they will release him 'on bail.'
>>67691755
>why the fuck would you steal anything in the most inhumane place in the world
He claims that a secret "z society" at his university put him up to it as well as some church in his home town.
watch the press conference
>>67684550
This coming from a leaf.
A FUCKING LEAF!!!
>>67695093
You're shilling. Or being a little contrarian shit. There's a catch to this shit you're saying, either way NK is a terrifying place to be and at the drop of a hat they CAN falsely accuse you of shit and jail you if they just don't like you. It is NOT a place to go to, and you and your idiot friends put yourselves in danger and make yourselves a liability for your country.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjDgb-k4VXw
His press conference
>>67694736
There are literally thousands of cheap ski resorts in China, if you HAVE to go east.
Why in the fuck would you choose to go to NK?
>>67693215
dude...
>>67677910
>hi res shamefur dispray
>>67680975
>Warmbier said he accepted the offer because his family was "suffering from very severe financial difficulties."
>still has money to travel to a shithole like NK
literally a white dindu
>>67694998
you mean the laws on not to steal? youre saying that that omission excuses that kid from not knowing that theft is illegal in NK?
>>67677910
>Americans think it's a good idea to go to North Korea
Literally why?
hahaha
I mean I feel bad for this guy, and he obviously doesn't deserve this, but he's just a complete idiot for thinking that a pleasure trip to North Korea as an American could turn out any other way.
It's like when a small town sheltered girl goes to college, joins a sorority, goes to a frat party, drinks till she passes out, and then gets raped/pregnant. Obviously no one deserves to be raped, but come on. Common sense to avoid very obvious dangers should be expected from everyone.
>>67695575
I don't think it's terrifying. I don't think it's good. I think socialism is shit, I think their laws still have improvements to be made. But I think they're taking steps in the right direction. They amended their criminal code to a vast degree in 2004 and building up to that, even eliminating their retroactivity principle. They added in the 2000's laws about foreign investment and opened up increased tourism for people, including US citizens. Their education system has slowly been getting revamped with the expansion of their international university and building new apartments for students and teachers.
So I think it's fine to go. We obviously think of the country differently, and that's fine.
I'm not saying it's heaven, but I definitely don't think it's hell.
Sorry to sound like a contrarian shit.
Thief gets treated like a defender of American Liberties.
>>67693020
I do have to say, my sympathy for this guy is rapidly eroding.
>>67695718
He's a troll, the actual people from DPRK that post here are more normal than this dude
>>67693566
>additional incentives to incarcerate people, this time for government slave labor.
You're kind of a baka desu senpai...
>>67695700
Because people want to go to NK, or go to a specific ski resort, etc. People like to travel to certain places, NK happens to be a place and happens to be one you can travel to.
>>67695830
Oh, no, I'm of the mind that he committed a crime and is thus stuck within their legal system.
Amusingly he wasn't sentenced solely on theft, as that doesn't give you the 15 year sentence (I'll post the theft article below in case anyone is interested). I was just saying the state warning doesn't do much aside from BIG RED HEY NO NO.
Theft:
Article 296 (Stealing Personal Property)
A person who steals the property of an individual shall be punished by short-term labour for
less than two years. In cases where the person commits a grave offence, he or she shall be
punished by reform through labour for less than two years.
In cases where personal property is stolen in collusion or in large quantities, the punishment
shall be reform through labour for more than two years and less than seven years. In cases
where a particularly large amount of personal property is stolen, the punishment shall be
reform through labour for more than seven years and less than ten years.
>>67696075
Nobody from the DPRK posts here. That's geospoofing. lets you rare flag all you want.
>>67695437
>He claims that a secret "z society" at his university put him up to it as well as some church in his home town.
when I heard those details in the trial I thought that absurd shit was what NK made up to sentence him
>>67677910
>trying to steal a political propaganda poster from his hotel in Pyongyang
I don't get it. Why wouldn't they want him to take the poster back with him? The poster would help spread the message that North Korea is a wonderful place to live.
I'm assuming that's what the propaganda poster was -- right? A poster that says how wonderful North Korea is? Why would they possibly object to him taking the poster to other countries to help spread the propaganda?
That would be like Nike objecting to me wearing a swoosh on my clothing. Who doesn't enjoy seeing their propaganda spread around for all to see?
>>67695885
>But I think they're taking steps in the right direction. They amended their criminal code to a vast degree in 2004 and building up to that, even eliminating their retroactivity principle. They added in the 2000's laws about foreign investment and opened up increased tourism for people, including US citizens.
>and they sentence people to 15 years of prison and hard labor for stealing a fucking poster
>So I think it's fine to go.
>15 years of prison and hard labor for stealing a fucking poster
>I definitely don't think it's hell.
Did I make it clear enough for you yet? Do you understand why you're a shill yet?
Hey how about I ask you this: do you know how long 15 years is in comparison to a human life?
Do you know what "hard labor" is?
Go ahead, I'll wait.
>>67695885
Lying more than Rat Cruz. Korean brainwashing shills are real. He's fallen for their fake-smile facade and now he's defending an anti-Christian dictator state. They don't even allow sites like /pol/ to exist, let alone free internet.
>>67695795
This guy is like a skeleton compared to the other americans. Still bigger/heavier than his guards. LOL
>>67696226
Because he stole it from a restricted area, dumbass.
>>67695323
All memes aside, what's the punishment for stealing a poster from a hotel in any first world country in the world?
Seriously.
>>67677910
>be american
>get sentenced
Guys I think it's time for common sense propaganda control in our country. This is just sad.
>>67695700
He was expecting an used car.
>>67680975
>>67694201
god canadians are just the worst.
hurry up and crash your economy so you can't afford internet anymore.
i said "we all want" you fucking dipshit. americans would love that shit.
the american people don't give a fuck about "laws" in """""""""countries""""""""" like north korea. we give a fuck about americans and freedom. just because the state department has been cucked to death by hillary and obama doesn't mean the vast majority of non-reptillian horror monsters living in our country don't want his ass busted loose.
you sound like the stuffy cia bitch at the beginning of that movie where seth rogen kills kim.
and what happened?
seal team 6 bitch.
>when you never travel
>canadian
>travelling
your money is so worthless you'd need a 747 full of $100's to book a cheap greek hostel for a night.
get the fuck out of here i'm done with you.
>>67696226
A better comparison might be something like someone stealing an American flag, a bible, etc. the "propaganda posters", as they are being called, tend to be quotes or statements directly from or of the 'great leaders', and thus have political significance. Stealing them, or trying to 'deprive' people of them, makes the crime political depending on intent and all.
And given the story he gave them (which sounds bullshit) that's what it turned into. yeehaw,.
>>67696441
Yes. 15 years is a long time.
So far NK releases their foreign prisoners within a year or so of sentencing, including the last US one who was sentenced to 15 years but remained there less than 1 year. That tends to be the pattern.
If you're interested in an interview with an american citizen who was sentenced to a hard labor camp similarly, here: https://www.nknews.org/2014/11/matthew-millers-excellent-adventure-in-north-korea/
Otherwise if you're curious about their punishments, lengths, etc. I can quote their criminal code for you.
but you don't sound interested.
You just sound triggered.
>>67682757
It seems he was preyed upon by some shit stirring faggots in the US because he was desperate.
Now we get to play nice with the Norks to avert WW3.
>>67696226
>implying one NK propaganda poster will change Americans' minds
Foreign states, especially in the 3rd world, really enjoy incarcerating expats. It's something that helps them feel bigger in the world. I've seen it happen a lot in my travels. The crimes are often trumped up.
>>67696454
Well, they don't even really have much internet. They run a huge inTRAnet, I'll post a pic of it in the next post.
>>67696616
>american is baffled that there are parts of the world that are different to america
If he didn't want 15 years for stealing a poster then he should have stolen one in an american hotel.
>>67680975
I mean, the kid is obviously a fucking asshole, but that doesn't really excuse NK for being a piece of shit dictatorship.
>>67696454
Intranet.
>>67677910
>Warmbier
he will be bullied in NK prisons
Could he not just ask to buy some souvenirs?
Surely they sell posters and memorabilia to tourists?
While I agree that 15 years is pretty harsh, he did choose to visit the country, knowing full well what kind of place it is and also chose to steal something.
It's his own damn fault and he should live with it.
>>67696952
Yeah, they sell tons of shit - from literature to bootleg movies.
The /k/unt inside of me wants to cowadoody the wardens guarding him and fireman carry the retard out of that country, but honestly he brought this upon himself.
He grew up enjoying the fruits of his ancestors' sacrifices in fighting communism. He learned he can think what he wants, say what he wants, and even get away with petty crimes because murrica is a free country.
But he was also a commieboo deep down inside, and traveled to nork to satisfy some ignorant craving he developed from consuming teevee and apple products.
He took his rich-western-communist mentality into a country full of real communists, then pissed those people off. Now he is the recipient of all the fuckboy-in-chief's pent up frustrations.
I sincerely hope the capitalist conquest of nork is delayed by at least another half a year, so this prettyboy will miss the buttfuckings when they are finally over.
>>67677910
15 years of hard labor...for stealing a poster.
>>67696616
What memes? NK is a fucking hellhole, no one is making that up. He's an idiot for doing what he did knowing what NK does to criminals who commit even minor offenses to the state. No one should feel any sympathy for him except his family.
is it a coed prison camp?
he'll be drowning in best korean emaciated pussy
I'm trying to imagine how utterly hopeless that guy must feel. It's breddy hard. Seems like he forgot htat NorK is an actual place and not some cartoonish amusement land.
>>67677910
He deserved it for shitting in Best Korea's backyard.
I wish we had labor camps here for all of the cucks. Maybe Trump will construct a wall building gulag after he replaces the Statue of Liberty with a statue of himself holding a pistol in one hand while holding up The Art of the Deal in the other hand.
>>67696899 (you)
He would be bullied in US Prisons.
>>67696799
Are you trying to prove NK is a good country to visit? I'm not saying it wouldn't be a good place to go in a few decades if the dictator state finally erodes (like Cuba) but trying to defend it when it's being run by a practical Orwellian dictatorship with ruthless persecution system is just being pants-on head insane. Next, you're going to try and tell me ISIS are just "misunderstood" and being a woman married off and enslaved by Islam "isn't that bad!"
>>67695677
What a terrible actor.
>>67697155
You think this is a game? DPRK STRONG
>>67677910
IT'S JUST A PRANK, BRO!
>>67682800
go back to bodybuilding misc you stupid sack of shit
>>67696697
>Otherwise if you're curious about their punishments, lengths, etc. I can quote their criminal code for you.
I'd be curious to hear any particularly interesting excerpts, or even just ones relevant to this case. North Korea always struck me as somewhere that would be absolutely fascinating to visit, just because culturally they're so different to the western world. I don't have a lot of sympathy for people who go there, break their laws, then complain when they find themselves punished by a foreign justice system based on an entirely different culture.
>>67696697
Honestly even 1 year of indentured hard labor is quite extreme for simply stealing a poster. And that's assuming that he will, in fact, only remain there "less than 1 year" when NK has a reputation for using foreign prisoners for political gain.
You can quote their criminal code if you'd like but that doesn't make it right. To be fair, though, my problem lies more with China protecting them and similarly the rest of the world community not glassing the fucking place to begin with.
But this is 4chan and I'm open minded, and you are enough of a shill to at least be able to quote source material, so what I'm more interested in is China.
Why does China protect NK? What do they have to gain from it? Could you explain that to me and cite it? That would actually be useful. NK is a failed state but what I'd really like to know about is why China protects it because afaik they're the reason we haven't glassed the place yet.
>>67697517
No. I don't think it's an amazing country, or of a particular spectacular nature justifying universal visitation.
I just personally think it's an interesting country, I study them, and I share info I get.
I'm not sure why you think that just because I don't want to blow them up that I'm somehow arguing they're angelic.
>>67697343
For you and anyone else interested in a description of north korean prison camps from one of the few escapees, this is a legit documentary:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihUOHARC_Og
>>67677910
Not black or female. Don't care.
>>67680975
The funny thing is he could've gotten all that without putting himself at risk.
He just had to pretend he's moved by the North Korean ideology and tell his overseer he loves the poster and ask if he can have it to hang at his American university campus.
The commies love that shit and would probably give him the poster, the whole collection of Juche books and a box of pins with Dear Leader he could sell at ebay later.
He totally deserves what he gets, because he's a retard.
would trump put up with this?
>>67677910
The world is the playground of the rich.
>>67678055
>>67684069
>denounced the sentence.
This isn't Civ 5 faggots
Denouncing doesn't do shit
>>67697775
bourgeoisie lies, under communism even prisoners live like kings
>>67697650
Yeah, sure, there are definitely some interesting things - especially if you are used to standard western values, since they have a very different understanding of what 'free speech' and all is.
Random example:
Article 193 (Import, Keeping and Distribution of Decadent Culture)
A person who, without authorization, imports, makes, distributes or illegally keeps music,
dance, drawings, photos, books, video recordings or electronic media that reflects decadent,
carnal or foul contents shall be punished by short-term labour for less than two years. In cases
where the person commits a grave offence, he or she shall be punished by reform through
labour for less than five years.
>>67697661
I agree. But just keep in mind it wasn't just a 'poster', it was a special state related document assigned for that building in a private employee's only type zone. That doesn't justify the year,of course, but I do think that people who keep just saying "poster" fail to understand the significance of that poster to the people who owned it. That significance may be silly, or even arguably dumb, but it is there.
See, China is something I hope other people can teach me about too. I've heard people say "geopolitics" and stuff, saying NK is a buffer state. But my knowledge of China-NK relations extends only historically as it relates to Korea (japanese-sino, etc), so legit I can't help on the China front. Maybe some cool dude who happens to be in the thread will enlighten us both.
All I can say about China is (and this is knowledge from NK stuff): they import coal from NK, they import cigarettes from NK, they important other "mineral" related stuff. I have no idea how significant those are, but as an example, here is coal at Rajin Port being readied to toss to China.
>>67696780
I know. I already said this, so I'll just quote what I said exactly and you can read it again:
>I mean, the kid is obviously a fucking asshole, but that doesn't really excuse NK for being a piece of shit dictatorship.
I agree that the kid shouldn't have been there in the first place, yet alone actually tried to break their fucked up law, but you can't say their law isn't completely fucked up in the first place. That's my point. "Baffled" is a pretty harsh term. I was making a comparison.
15 years.
Hard labor.
Again, that kid is an asshole for attempting this in the first place, I don't even agree people should even GO there in the first place, but on the other hand their laws are completely fucked up and inexcusable.
>playing tourist and propping up a morally bankrupt regime
serves him right. people who go to NK are scum
>>67697155
>for providing a failed state with an outlet for its anger
The only thing 99.999% of people will see on that kid is a US flag.
This has nothing to do with him or his actions. Kim-whateverthefuck is enjoying Obama's presidency while it lasts.
>>67696799
>>67697650
Here are some cut out articles I'll paste that are interesting and help understand their GENERAL criminal scheme. For the list of punishments, it is "most extreme" to "least extreme", so that should tell you what they value comparatively.
The pic attached is a graph that I made myself to keep track of their death sentence choices as they continue to amend their criminal law, I hope you find it useful!
Article 27 (Types of Punishments)
Punishments are:
1. Death
2. Life-time term of reform through labour
3. Limited term of reform through labour
4. Short-term labour
5. Deprivation of the right to vote
6. Confiscation of property
7. Removal of qualifications
8. Suspension of qualifications
Article 39 (Conditions for Determining Aggravated Penalties)
Penalties shall be aggravated in the following cases:
1. When the offender is the principal culprit in the crime;
2. When the offender has committed offences repeatedly or in collusion;
3. When the crime is committed by brutal ways and means;
4. When the offender commits a crime against a person who is under his protection or is his
subordinate;
5. When the offender commits a crime by taking advantage of a wartime or disaster situation.
Article 40 (Conditions for Determining Mitigated Penalties)
Penalties shall be mitigated in the following cases:
1. When the offender is a passive culprit;
2. When the culprit is a first-time offender;
3. When the crime is committed under the influence of strong mental pressure;
4. When the offender is a juvenile;
5. When the offence is considered to meet the conditions for self defence or necessity;
6. When the offender confesses his or her guilt;
7. When the offender has previously contributed greatly to the country;
8. When the offender makes compensation for or restitution of the properties that he has
plundered or damaged;
9. When the victim is found with fault
>>67677910
Let the cuck learn a thing or two about consequences for one's actions.
>>67689206
Well mission accomplished I guess
>>67697661
So easy even I can answer:
The korean peninsula is strategically important for both China and the US to control. US already has a foothold in SK and if NK's regime is overthrown and Korea unites while being allied to the US, China is afraid the west will setup missile bases right at its border in the future. Also China supports NK to flex its own political power in the global community. If it just lets the US "glass" the country it will look weak to everyone else who isn't a commie
>>67698260
Redstar isn't used for everything, and a lot of what they use currently is windows based.
Here's a pic of some intranet sites for fun.
>>67698056
No shit sherlock, slow aren't ya
>>67698428
Thanks for contributing!
No idea if this is of any significance either, since I imagine China has its own power stuff, but here is a pic of the NK power grid.
Blue & green - Hydroelectric power station
Red & orange - Fossil-fuel power station
Yellow - Nuclear power plant.
>>67698123
Based best Korea. Keep that marxist American shit out of there.
>>67696616
>what's the punishment for stealing a poster from a hotel in any first world country in the world?
Maybe not as much as stealing from NK, he should have stolen from a country with not so strict laws.
>>67698136
Inexcusable by what standards? If you were born and raised in NK you'd think it was fully deserved.
Might as well complain about how lions hunt antelopes to eat, and be all 'yeah I know they need to do it to live and all but murder is fucked up y'know I mean this is a first world country famalam'. I don't even see what point you're trying to make beyond just being upset that the entire world isn't america.
>>67698650
Which, if anyone is curious, actually has to do with NK's emblem. It's a hydroelectric dam. Pic related.
Quoted from their Constitution:
Article 169. The national emblem of the Democratic People’s
Republic of Korea bears the design of a grand hydroelectric power
station under Mt. Paektu, the sacred mountain of the revolution, and the
beaming light of a five-pointed red star, with ears of rice forming an
oval frame, bound with a red ribbon bearing the inscription “The
Democratic People’s Republic of Korea.”
I posted a pic of Mt. Paektu earlier in the thread I think.
>Again, that kid is an asshole for attempting this in the first place, I don't even agree people should even GO there in the first place, but on the other hand their laws are completely fucked up and inexcusable.
Of course.
But here are the options:
>Plan 1: do nothing besides ramping up defenses and alliance-building
>Result: communists slowly spend themselves into oblivion then nature runs its course
>Plan 2: fight them head-on with a volunteer army instead of the draft
>Result: nuclear terrorism, possible open nuclear warfare due to capitalist/communist alliance networks
>Plan 3: genocidal sanctions for the peasantry, quid pro quo for the inner party
>Result: exactly what we've seen from the Clinton administration to the present day
Ive been on holiday to North Korea before
it's literally nothing like what the western media paints it as.
pretty nice this time of year too.
>>67696664
Lol you've just proved my point. The one reference you pull is from a Seth Rogen movie. Americans really only understand the world in terms of Hollywood.
As I said, the adults are in charge. How many Americans are currently imprisoned abroad? Tons. And some of them end up being executed, too. How does the US respond? With "great concern" and lots of hand wringing, but no action. Why? Because they're not hostages. They're criminals.
If US special forces had to be mobilized every single time an American was incarcerated for an unduly harsh time, they'd never get to NK because they'd be too busy trying to spring yanks from prisons on American soil. The truth is, yanks don't give a shit about anything except for that the media (read: state department's lapdogs) tell you to get excited about. The media will forget about this kid and so will America and then it's back to the gossip pages for you.
Special forces are sometimes used to rescue political hostages, but that's not the case here with this kid in NK. He's just a dumb tourist who thought, as you do, that he owned the world. USA USA USA. Pathetic.
Now go watch some more Seth Rogen for your insights on international affairs.
>>67698260
Intranet is different from internet anon.
>>67677910
>Stealing propaganda posters
He should have just bought one legally through this awesome site:
http://www.mansudaeartstudio.com/
>>67690387
Your friends are going to be in trouble and so are you.
>>67692776
>In north korea they have obscure and confusing laws like "don't steal shit"
>>67698850
>funnelled thousands of dollars to north korea
you should be in prison
>>67698850
tell us. very interested.
>>67699000
B-But dadddd!
We just wanna eat ice cream!
What the fuck was he doing in North Korea in the first place?
>>67699146
A tour.
>>67694082
>not just going to Canada, the safe kind of socialism, for your ski trip
>>67699229
Some people like the funky kind of socialism.
>>67698850
you aussie shits go everywhere and spend more money then anyone else , probably helps keep the country afloat
>>67684550
There is actually a fairly decent chance he could get shot at in the camp
>>67698428
That doesn't really explain anything because it just makes me wonder why China doesn't glass the country itself (or otherwise invade and take over since they clearly have the power to do so if they wanted).
It's not that I don't understand that they don't want the U.S. to set up military shit at their border, everyone who's into world politics knows that at least. The question is why don't they just take that shit over themselves instead of letting Kim Jong Faggot rule the place and make nukes and threaten people, which I'd assume ultimately hurts the Chinese defense of the place? If NK actually blew some shit up, even just SK, there'd be serious hell to pay as a result, and China just doesn't seem to give a fuck.
I mean, to try to answer my own question, I'd assume "well they don't want to have go in a have the blood of a bunch of people on their hands, it's easier to just let kim do what he wants and ultimately just keep to himself than to overthrow his dictatorship violently", there's still gonna be blood on their hands if they actually pull some shit at some point.
News reports like this have been coming out recently too: http://news.yahoo.com/ap-analysis-n-korea-nuke-threat-not-bluff-092457146.html
Whether they can actually do anything or not idk, but the more time passes the higher that chance becomes. Is China just rolling the dice here? Hoping NK doesn't actually start some shit ever when they're obviously trying to?
>>67695437
North Korea forced him to say that shit. Whenever Americans are arrested/charged on some silly bullshit in NK, the authorities force them to confess that they're working for the CIA, etc.
>>67688785
More?
>>67699146
R&R
>Goes to enemies country for "vacation"
>Tries to steal
>get sent to concentration camp.
Faggot got what he deserved
>>67698359
Thanks, that's pretty interesting to look at. Their laws don't seem as insanely draconian as a lot of the people in this thread - or even our media - really portray them as. There's a lot of focus on protection of the state, but that's hardly surprising given their culture. I wouldn't want to live there, but it looks like you'd really have to go out of your way to do something that would result in an arrest. So long as you're polite and respectful there shouldn't be a problem.
>Be American
>Go to North Korea
>Try to steal some shit
>>67678055
>implying
>>67677910
>Tearful apologies.
Man up faggot.
>>67677910
>warm beer
15 years isn't enough. give him the gas
>>67699309
refugees... china actually thinks about these things
>>67699000
I have a dwindling suspicion he's pulling a lot of this to sound like a special snowflake sympathizing with the Orwellian dictatorship.
Of COURSE the tourist spots and unrestricted cities are all going to look lovely. That's what Stalin did to fool American journalists. Behind the curtains, they have fields of enslaved workers who get beaten/executed for amusement. Yeah, they'll release a few prisoners that western media reports on, but they'll shadow-kidnap and execute foolish westerners.
>>67699450
>So long as you're polite and respectful there shouldn't be a problem.
Starving to death seems like a big problem, senpai.
Waiting for Kim himself to post in this thread.
>>67699450
Yeah, there is a LOT of protection on the state - but part of that is because the state owns most things. They also have some laws that seem foreign that relate to job performance - like over/underreporting productivity.
Some more examples, and I'm sincerely glad you're enjoying since I don't find a lot of other people who like reading law stuff.
Article 137 (Spoilage and Loss of Property)
A person who causes a large quantity of the property of the state or of a social cooperative
organisation to be spoiled or lost by managing such property in an irresponsible manner shall
be punished by short-term labour for less than two years.
In cases where the foregoing act causes a particularly large quantity of the property of the
state or a social cooperative organisation to be spoiled or lost, the punishment shall be reform
through labour for less than four years.
Article 143 (Failure to Inspect and Repair Equipment)
A person whose failure to conduct organised enterprises in accordance with the regulations
for inspection and repair of equipment leads to equipment damage or production stoppages
shall be punished by short-term labour for less than two years.
In cases where the foregoing act damages particularly important equipment or stops
production for a considerable amount of time, the punishment shall be reform through labour
for less than two years.
Article 158 (Violation of Crop Policy Regulations)
A person who violates regulations for crop purchase, transportation, processing, receipt and
supply, resulting in serious consequences shall be punished by short-term labour for less than
two years. In cases where the person commits a grave offence, he or she shall be punished by
reform through labour for less than three years.
>>67698850
>This country isn't the way people say it is, they have SCENERY!
Where else has scenery:
-California
-Arizona
-Texas
-Utah
-Kazakhstan
-Mars
-Your mom's asshole
-Australia
>>67698890
He did it because he wanted to make money, like a true iPad communist. People don't even GO TO this country from non-adjacent ones, unless either they've got a suicidal amount of Peter Pan syndrome or they've reached the ultimate level of degenerate western liberalism.
>>67690911
>tfw the God Emperor Trump makes it an official policy to go Saving Private Ryan on his ass and invade North Korea to get him back and wins a landslide election so that America can have victories again.
>>67689548
It's entirely possible he broke no laws, you realise that right?
>>67699628
Nah, no special snowflake here.
I can post as many pictures from 'restricted' rural areas as you'd like that don't look pretty at all. Pic related.
But yeah, if you want rural stuff let me know.
>defending a death sentence for trying to take a poster
come on fella's
>>67698757
>If you were born and raised in NK you'd think it was fully deserved.
>proceeds to compare the animal kingdom to the laws of human society
I don't even know where to begin familia.
>Australia
Goddammit I REALLY need to start checking the flag before responding...
>>67677910
So what happens if he gets executed in the labor camp?
>>67697661
>Why does China protect NK? What do they have to gain from it?
North korea is chinas backyard. Its the only thing they have left in terms of regional power and control. Just like how mexico is the backyard of the United States.
The united states is trying to push china and their dominance back. We have bases in Japan, South Korea, etc...China doesnt like that so they protect North korea.
>>67699813
Fucking Ivy League wankers thinking they can just go to other peoples countries and do what the fuck they want.
>>67699782
He literally confessed already.
>>67682443
You must enjoy spewing verbal diahrea.
Tour packages are readily available.
I went last year. Spent about 600$ USD on a flight to Beijing. Tour package for north Korea was like 950$ usd. Visa process was no different than any other country.
It would benefit you to actual know wtf you're talking about, faggot.
>>67699223
/pol/ should've started a subversive travel agency marketed towards SJW's to show them the gloriousness of NK, in anticipation of them getting locked up for being stupid.
we missed our shot.
>>67700000
CHECKED FOR KIM
>>67699998
Stop posting you kangaroo fucker.
