Why does Trump want the US to become like pic related ?
>>67671754
That's the American Dream.
Get filthy rich and make poor people deal with your filth.
>>67671754
Uh HELLOOOOOO ever heard of the FREE MARKET???
>He needs the government to tell him to not litter.
>>67671754
THE FREE MARKET WILL FIX IT
#RONPAUL2012
It's a typical GOP delusion.
"Get rid of the EPA and the environmental problems will magically go away."
We'll end up like China in no time. Industrial waste everywhere, air pollution off the scale, poisoned water....yeah, we'll totally be fine.
>>67672164
We have a nation without environmental protections. It called China.
>>67672164
>>67672315
thats the problem you need some regulations in a free market system or you will get choas
>>67672319
But jobs will come back to the Great US of A! You can earn a living in this to-be wasteland!
>>67672319
b but the job creators will figure it out
>>67671754
>>67672014
>>67672164
>>67672315
>>67672319
>Defending the EPA
>>67671754
>thinks we need an EPA to enforce federal laws
>thinks the EPA isn't just a corrupt arm of those invested in sectors threatened by oil/coal
>>67671754
People think that Trump is a joke however they don't realise that he is a nightmare.
America will lose aliances and friendships with this kind of leader.
WAKE UP AMERICA - ITS STILL IN TIME.
>>67671754
EPA just spilled millions of gallons of toxic waste into the Colorado river and no one is talking about it.
Your old boy network has just been had hippie.
Trump said that "we'll be fine with the environment". Not sure what you're worrying about, unless you're doubting our god-emperor.
>>67672507
What is this from?
>>67672730
>alliances
>friendships
You mean leeches and two faces scum.
>>67672459
#JustLiberalPropagandaThings
>>67672930
Uncle Sam caused a big chemical spill that killed the Animas river
>>67672319
incentivizing will always be better than prohibiting
>>67672730
implying obama didnt cuck us into the next century with our allies
>>67672453
http://www.wnd.com/2015/08/rancher-fights-16-million-epa-fine-for-building-pond/
We have a bureaucracy that punishes and terrorizes citizens because it makes them feel like good people.
>>67673104
#JustNeoconPropagandaThings
>>67673194
Also people forget individual states have their own EPA's, and know their land better. Californians, NYers etc dont trust their state?
>>67671754
Disregarding your picture, the EPA is part of the reason manufacturing jobs are in shitty asian countries instead of the US.
If we want to have jobs and create shit, we need to move a lot of that industrial labor back stateside.
>>67672507
one pic is a muddy river
>>67672791
That's nothing compared to the hellhole that is China. They've got scapeyards full of decaying computer components, improperly disposed of and leaking dangerous substances.
>people shilling for EPA
How much do they pay you per post?
>>67671754
The EPA is a corrupt shithole. Better to not have it.
Just like the Clean Air Act and Clean Earth Act and Clean Water Act, they are just holding America back. This is Demorat legislation passed just to create government jobs who interfere with business.
Do you seriously think anyone but the free market could build the spaceship in pic related?
>>67672730
We no longer want to be friends with the world (globalization)
Either trade with us, the most prolific traders on earth, or don't. When you're best friends with the EU they will trade you goods for refugees. guaranteed.
>>67673326
>not wanting the government violently mandating to others how they can use their own property
>neocon
#JustCuckMyShitUpCarl
>>67671754
>implying that the EPA does anything anymore
Most companies already know how to get around their archaic regulations. Also when has Trump ever said that he seriously wanted to abolish the EPA?
>they dont know individual states have their own EPA's
>they think an entire governmental bureaucracy is neccessary to set environmental guidelines in the presence of a functioning legislature.
>the EPA, in its current form, has been weaponized by the current administration akin to the IRS
ITT : a mix of dreadfully under-informed people, statists, and Anti-Trump shillingtons
>>67673564
Hitler probably could
>>67673531
That's because their population density is too high, and there is very little economic freedom. Compare them to Hong Kong, same region, language. culture, people and the difference between them are heaven and hell. More government always = shitter societies.
>>67673550
The EPA doesn't have enough money to afford shils.
>>67673685
"So the Department of Education is one," he continued. "Environmental Protection, what they do is a disgrace. Every week they come out with new regulations."
Asked by host Chris Wallace who would protect the environment in the absence of the EPA, Trump maintained that "we'll be fine with the environment."
"We can leave a little bit, but you can't destroy businesses," he added.
here you go /pol/
Time to get red pilled by the trashman.
sorry for the shit quality.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaWBJ6E4vyY
>>67673411
Pretty much, the meme that we can send everyone to college and all be doctors is dead. Some people absolutely need those jobs that we handed to the chinese. They don't need to be sweat shops because companies will save tons on shipping and our workers are better.
>>67671754
Didn't you watch Ghostbusters back in the day? The EPA nearly destroyed New York City, man, Trump's hometown.
>>67673868
>states have governments therefore we don't need the federal government
>>67671754
>Why does Trump want the US to become like pic related ?
Because they have too much control over private land.
Pic related is with the EPA
>>67674195
I am sure in the new one, michelle obama comes flying a solar powered jet marked "EPA" and saves the day.
>>67674351
>Obama is pissing on America
Why don't they arrange it per state, based on the needs of the state?
>>67674019
he said he wanted state agencies
>>67673868
DELETE THIS
>>67673442
.....No.....
The pic on the right is from the EPA allowing a company to dumb mining waste into the fucking river.
Fuck the EPA. They don't do a fucking thing
>>67674351
Pic related is with the Chinese Communist Party.
>>67673442
That is not mud. It is toxic waste from a mine that spilled into the Animas River in Colorado. The EPA fucked up.
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/attorney-general-demands-accountability-from-epa-after-animas-river-spill
>>67674229
Tell me one good thing the EPA has ever done that courts don't already exist to resolve.
>>67673350
State agencies are notoriously ineffective due to local politics.
>>67674636
>more government is bad
thanks for proving my point
>>67674828
Except the CCP doesn't give a damn about the environment and you know it. Their motto is "growth at any cost".
>>67672453
>We have a nation without environmental protections. It called China.
china does have environmental protections/agencies, but with an orwellian twist. The chinese epa is there to protect polluters, not citizens. A free market system that protects private property owners in china would offer more protection against rampant pollution than the current system in china.
The USA EPA is overzealous and has overstepped it's bounds. Clean air and water is what we need, not protection from c02 and global warming.
>>67674638
Its funny how when the govt fucks up people actually argue to give it more money.
Imagine if kickstarter or a business worked this way.
>>67671754
Because it's not working, Bong. Kinda like your immigration Policies
>>67674956
They do actually, the smog is actually costing them money in illnesses and lack of work.
>>67674814
That sounds like their problem. Also they are inneffective because state officials know they can just pass it on and the EPA will take the heat.
>>67674956
Oh, but the American government does?
>>67675170
Illness? I though that was illegal with socialized medicine
>>67675066
Honestly they should argue for increased efficiency. Tie improvement to financial reward.
>>67674988
Correct. The system aids and abets polluters, all in the pursuit of making money to keep the economy going.
>>67675211
Except that history has shown that sort of thing does not happen.
>>67674988
Courts exist to resolve disputes between people. When people do things that have negative externalities for others, you take them to court. Where does the EPA fit? What is it doing that can't be accounted for?
>>67672253
Why have laws?
>>67672453
>it called China
"Hurr I loike pretty colors. I haf favorite color. It called red! Hurr hurr, hee hee!"
>>67675241
Well, are our pollution and environmental damage levels anywhere near China's?
>>67675537
Wow, you can judge a man's intellect by one typo. Tell me more about your amazing powers of deduction.
>>67675381
>tie improvement with reward
The issue is they are in charge of reporting their improvements; and the way they do things is, they spend their whole budget so that they can get more, because if they save money, then they can't argue for more, and may get a budget cut.
>>67671754
Screw it, that does it, Hillary it is. I won't be able to legally throw homosexuals off buildings but at least we'll have a planet to live in.
>>67673194
>>67672930
>>67672507
>>67673442
No dumbass, that's mining waste. The EPA was trying to contain it but made a mistake. It still would have never existed if it weren't for wreckless mining practices.
>>67675170
They have their own kind of automation though, it's called 'breeding more chinese people'
>>67675742
Honestly that's the problem with a lot of organizations. They're in charge of policing themselves.
>>67675522
Dude administrative agencies promulgate regulations that act as law. They also are supposed to take the lead in enforcing compliance.
>>67676140
That's the problem with *government*, not anyone else.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqIAz8XfwUY
More trashman
>>67676209
"Compliance" with what measures that accomplish what purposes that courts don't already serve?
>>67671754
If we vote for Trump, we become China in one sense. The government colluding with businesses to screw the environment over at our expense.
>>67676140
Thats why leaving it to the states is better, also, if one state is too strict, companies move to another state, too relaxed, things go to shit and people leave, its much easier to inact change in local govts also. But with federal changes, companies leave the whole country.
>>67674184
>>67676282
Full episodes not just audio
>>67676241
Yes, because corporations never lie on their balance sheets and evaluation reports.
>>67671754
EPA is a real pain in the ass in the real estate business
I bet you can figure it out now
>>67676315
They already do that you retard. You think us stopping coal use helps? Why will US companies research cleaner and more efficient coal burning methods now? Its already corrupt
>>67675579
No, because we have
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>>67674956
china burns coal for most of its power, environmental cucks have us moving to gas and coal because nuclear is spooky
>>67676408
Corporations don't claim a monopoly on the use of violent force. If you want to take the government to court, enjoy *being in a government court*.
>>67671754
Because all who voted for him will be placed in 'The Wall'.
He isn't actually building a wall, that's the name of the space craft he's created and designed. We are all going to Mars to start TRUMP WORLD Inc.
Mining for methane gas and safe from filthy Muslims, Jews and dirty niggers.
Emperor Trump will eventually amass an army for invasion and crush the pathetic Earth plebs.
>LISTEN UP EARTH
>I GOT NEWS FOR YA
>HUUUUGE
>>67676560
EPA/democrats is fucking us up not letting us use yucca or recycle nuclear waste or build new nuclear plants.
So instead we have tons of waste, old plants, and we store it in places less secure than yucca mountain. Its begging for a crisis.
>>67676321
I don't think you understand how acid rain works, you can't contain the damages to one area
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_rain
Once somewhere starts allowing companies to literally dump waste in rivers the damages can't be undone
the EPA has done more to pollute itself the US than it ever prevented. It's useless and there are private environmental firms that do their job, stimulate the economy, and are far cheaper.
Reminder that the EPA didn't exist until 1970 when Republican prez Richard Nixon created it.
>>67671754
>EPA
>effective
>>67676560
>china burns coal for most of its power
And now Trump will make them pay the toll
>>67676744
thorium is coming anyway, fuckin meme magic too
name an element after thor and its likely to be our best source of power
>>67671754
You mean the "air at ground zero is perfectly safe to breathe" EPA? Fuck off.
>>67676601
I love how your cynicism only extends as far as governments but magically vanishes when it comes to companies.
>>67676560
Well, Obama has been cutting down on coal plants in the US. This raises energy costs and forces manufacturing to move to China, where the coal plants have no scrubbers or emissions regulations.
>>67677105
Federal EPA experts assured the local govt in Flint that the water was safe, too.
>>67677198
he's literally only doing that because george soros controls most of the fracking in america, which by the way is creating new fault lines in once earth quake free areas
>>67674490
Because a company will just pay off the state (ex: you're a poor state, we can put our company here or everyone is on welfare)
They can do it with the federal government but it's probably harder to do that
>>67675928
The water was contained in the old mines just fine.
>>67671754
because he's a fucking psychopath and nothing more than a meme candidate.
>>67677105
That sounds like a decision made for business reasons.
>>67677198
You know Europeans are importing American coal?
Makes no fucking sense economically or environmentally.
Regulations prevent Euros from mining it and prevent us from burning it so we spend money and generate extra emissions shipping it all the way across the Atlantic.
>>67672507
This. rip river.
>>67672507
Every couple years in Nitro WV there is a chemical leak, spill, or mining waste dump and the Democrats running the state never let anything happen about it. The EPA fines you big time if your car drips some oil now, but lets big corps get away with toxic dumping and paying damages and screw the workers.
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>>67676494
Hahaha
>>67677182
When a "company" sends goons to ferry you off to be judged by their arbitrary whims by violent force, you're not dealing with something I'd call a mere company anymore.
>>67677287
I heard the local government cut corners on safety to save money.
>>67677531
this is what happens when jews and merchant guilds take over the global economy
We don't even know what Trump really wants to do.
He just flip flops on everything.
>>67671754
>DEP AND DEC tell me how many animals I can shoot on my own land
>Mail fines instead of doing investigations for harvesting wild meat roaming around my property to provide sustenance for my children
>EPA posts signs at every public lake/river/stream citing anyone who fishes in them without expensive permits
>EPA mandates taxes and tarrifs on AC units, dishwashers, toilets, drainage systems, septic systems and imposes extra taxes on citizens for high sodium levels associated with snow melting during blizzards in the winter
>EPA fines you for burning trash on your own lands
>EPA fines you for collecting rain water for consumption and organic gardens
Thanks New York, love living here as a homeowner.
EPA a shit
>>67677666
They switched water source to the Flint River in 2014.
Their decisions were based on advice by both state experts and federal EPA who did testing and told them there were no problems.
>>67674019
Jesus Christ he just keeps getting better
>>67677622
That doesn't make companies harmless. They can do a lot of damage by crashing an economy.
>>67677753
Maybe if you actually paid attention to the guy rather than getting it all from sound bites, you'd realize you were wrong.
>>67674019
You should see how many fines he had to pay for his building projects in Yorktown, NY. He ended up donating the lands for a "preservation" and "nature reserve", used it as a tax write off.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_J._Trump_State_Park
>>67674019
Define "leave a little bit" Trump.
>>67676866
Who said they will be allowed?
>>67677890
This. Because the EPA has the word "Environmental" in it, every faggot thinks they're the saviors of mankind. They're actually a highly political group, corrupt to the core, and drunk on their own power.
>>67671754
It's cute that you think that lack of forced regulation on companies will lead to people dumping trash on the ground.
Does it matter? the US is done fibished and kaput anyway
May as well bury it in trash
>>67678110
>crashing an economy
Tell me what you think that means. Do you think other people owe you or anyone their resources or labor? Because you'd have to think people do in order to think people are morally culpable for not performing well in the market place.
He's right. The EPA is shit and states already have state-run agencies and individual regulations. How the state keep it's environment clean is up to the state already so they should have a say how it is protected.
This is actually a smart move
My State (NH) has a large amount of state and civilian run groups who work around the year to keep the state clean.
>>67678235
some federal laws and he leaves it to the states
>>67671754
Trump didn't say he wants to get rid of the EPA, he said he wants to get rid of most of the EPA. He will keep the bare necessities that we actually need.
The only purpose the EPA serves right now is to destroying coal and coal plants, even the clean ones, making the US economically incapable of competing with nations like China who give no fucks whatsoever.
Energy is everything. If you can acquire cheap energy and achieve energy independence, you're on track to winning. Trump understands this.
>>67676933
The EPA was created in response to a nasty lake fire. They were extremely effective at eliminating pollution and bodies of water catching fire, but they currently justify their existence going after enemies of the government and pointlessly destroying people's lives.
>>67678722
Liberals somehow think that replacing a regulated coal plant in the US with two inefficient and unregulated plants a mile across the US-Mexico border is somehow good for the environment.
>>67675472
Local government should be given most of the control. The last thing anyone wants is some cucks on the other side of the country telling you what is best for your state.
>>67678987
Then they think our easy trade deals will make them stop, or "leading by example" kek. Those other countries aren't lemmings.
>>67678722
This, a new standard for environmental protection needs to be established so that it actually protects the environment.
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>>67679171
And here we have it. Trump is getting people to think have a dialogue about the EPA and what they actually accomplish, and somehow everyone wants to portray him as having no ideas and no appeal other than "racism, sexism and general bigotry."
>>67671754
I think it's a good idea, and if companies have polluted your environment and caused damaged to the people in some way, the people should be allowed to kill them.
>>67671754
EPA dumped millions of gallons of toxic waste into a river here in Colorado not too long ago.
Is it the EPA that's bad or the Democrats who flock to anything they can corrupt?
>>67671754
it's already like that, we probably need a new agency, EPA had it's teeth removed decades ago
>Implying the environment protection agencies even keep things clean.
You know what they do? They say "I don't know how to handle this area. Nobody touch it."
In fact, they make things worse.
EPA kills jobs and ruins businesses. It doesn't even have anything to do with the environment anymore.
>>67671754
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eH1s9GCqPKo
it's actually a big deal and if Trump ends up doing some serious environmental fuck-ups I'd really not give a fuck what other good things he does. fucking up non-renewable things is not okay. we only started being resource whores like a century ago. now we've already predicted our resources will begin to run out in another half a century.
the environment is the bigger picture no matter what political views you have. unless someone finds a way to efficiently recreate entire environments with artificial clean air, pure water somehow, quick regrowth of healthy vegetation etc then we're fucked.
even animals are important as new species in undamaged parts of the world are the only way we fight viruses today.
>>67674814
...and the EPA is more efficient at the federal level? Something about that just doesn'the sound right.
