B-build wall
>>67637983
>It's going down now
>SURELY IT WON'T EVER GO UP!
>I can definitely believe that undocumented illegal migrants are documented in annual migration stats
>>67638086
>>67637983
Still here illegally, and they gotta go back.
>pretending only Mexicans come across the Mexican border
They have military aged Afghanis and Pakistanis crossing, for fuck's sake. BUILD WALL!
>>67637983
Trumpkeks are being played so hard...
>>67637983
What about all the other People coming across the border, are they included in this graph?
>>67637983
>legal immigration
>>67637983
And this counts every single Juan coming in illegally? How?
>>67638235
I remember a year ago when Canada wasn't cucked. Now your Australia tier. Good job, you fucked it up.
>>67638086
>>67638139
We seem to be doing just fine with the wall we have :^)
>immigration
Oh man, less legal immigrants that will not be effected by the wall in the least.
>>67638303
dont point it out liberals think they found something. your suppose to bait them into playing their hand then pissing in their face like trump did to shapiro
>>67638354
>Border control funding goes up
>Border control ordered to let immigrants through and release arrested migrants
>ICE severely underfunded and also ordered to ignore illegals under their nose.
>>67638303
>>67638371
>>67638432
http://jmhs.cmsny.org/index.php/jmhs/article/view/58
Why are Trump fags so LOW INFORMATION?
>>67638235
It's just a matter of time. Sometimes the redpill isn't what you had hoped for.
>>67638597
Based on census data, which 10-50% of illegal immigrants could not be filling out.
>>67637983
Only 12 million since 1990ies.
>>67637983
>chart showing immigration not a big deal
>from pew "hispanic"
>"estimates"
>from "various sources"
T-try again
>>67638788
So then at any given time 10-50% of illegal immigrants could not be filling it out. The numbers have still been declining steadily over time.
>leftists claim the wall will do nothing because there aren't many immigrants anyway
>leftists claim the wall is the epitome of racism and bigotry and is a literal hate crime and proves trump is hitler and will stop at nothing to prevent him from building it
hm
>>67638909
>I-I'm too stupid to verify the credibility of a source
Also see >>67638597
>>67638354
>2007
>Not showing the budget after Obama took office
Fuck off.
>>67638354
Gee. Thanks for showing me a graph of how much money they spent on the border patrol during the Clinton and Bush administrations, faggot.
>>67639022
>non-retards know that the current wall is sufficient and that building a multi billion dollar wall is a massive waste of resources and, to a certain degree, would actually trap the millions of illegals currently living in the US
>>67639332
>he's got me but maybe I'll make up another explanation to pretend he doesn't
>this is how I use my rational liberal brain
kek
>>67639022
How come leftists ignore the fact Mexico also has a wall so no one from Guatemala can come in easily?
>>67639332
>a multi billion dollar wall is a massive waste of resources
Yeah, for Mexico.
>>67639266
>>67639311
>being this uninformed
>>67639154
>Y-you should go hunt down the "various sources" used to estimate the figures on this graph if you don't believe
ok
i'll give you benefit of the doubt
unfortunately, immigrants who sneak over, tend not to sneak back, meaning that barring death or some unheard-of mass deportation, those people are still here, making your numbers cumulative and not comparative
N-nice try.
>>67639400
>I'm bad at arguing so I'll call him names!!
>>67639332
How would it trap illegals in America?
>>67639489
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/border-agent-we-might-as-well-abolish-our-immigration-laws-altogether/article/2582401
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/24/obama-encourages-ice-stand-down-say-former-border-/
And yet the Obama administration tells them to stand down, making the money they spend on border patrol wasted.
>>67639556
>I don't know how to use google
C'mon.
>unfortunately, immigrants who sneak over, tend not to sneak back, meaning that barring death or some unheard-of mass deportation,
Incorrect. Immigration tends to be circular by default, but become more unidirectional when border security is increased.
>>67637983
Jesus people in this topic are dumb. When you are flooding millions of people into a country eventually that flood is going to slow down.
BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL ALREADY HERE.
>>67637983
You MUST be joking. You're a bernie supporter, no doubt. Everyone knows that around 2010, more mexicans were leaving than coming to america and this was due to the loss of easy money in construction work. Mexico was doing ok at the time and is still doing fairly well, south park even had an episode on the reverse migration. Instead of tightening the border and beginning mass deportations of the rest, obama started encouraging illegals. The mexicans didn't come in droves but because mexico relaxed their own illegal border crossing laws, central americans flooded across the border. The majority of migrants coming to the US now are from countries south of mexico, everyone paying attention knows this and it's been obama shoving it down our throats. This chart falls under the category of bullshit as it shows immigration from mexico until 2010(the same year we were in a horrid depression and easy money vanished).
>>67637983
why would they go to a country with no decent jobs?
>>67639683
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/26273210/
>>67640231
so basically "we can't make our borders stronger because then the illegals here would be worried they wouldn't be able to get in if they left which makes them less likely to go visit their family in mehico for a bit and literally, like, literally rapes and traps them in the US"
this is eerily similar the libcuck "if you ban illegals your economy will collapse" argument which basically already concedes that illegals are part of the legitimate workings of the country
liberals should just admit they want all illegal immigrants immediately declared US citizens
because if they don't they're racist
>>67640015
>Mexicans are rapists and murderers! We have to build a wall to keep them out! And Mexico is gonna pay for it!
You seem to be more informed than Trump himself.
>>67639489
Some of them stay on border.
>>67640669
That's a lot of conjecture m8. My point is to simply redpilled the Trumptards on this board and point out the fact that he's lying to the uneducated in exchange for votes. I think tens of billions of dollars might be better spent fixing our disasterous infrastructure and creating jobs for Americans all throughout the country, not just along the border. I also think that more emphasis should be placed upon cracking down on employers who hire illegal immigrants.
This silence... Is this the sound of trumptards getting stumped?
Reminder that Trump's plan to end illegal immigration to the US is to collapse the economy with tariffs to make people not want to come.
On making Mexico pay:
http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2016/jan/26/donald-trump/donald-trump-says-course-mexico-can-pay-wall-becau/
>FALSE
>>67641737
B-but he's gonna make America great again!
Trump = stumped. You're welcome faggots.
>>67637983
>2010
It's the current year, shitlord. Your graph is utterly irrelevant. It's 2016. Are you still living in the past? I mean... come on...
>>67642640
Are you memeing or do you doubt the legitimacy of the data?
>>67637983
>documenting un documented immigration.
What.
>>67641907
He means he's going to make our GDP what it was in the 50s again.
>>67643061
Are you fucking retarded ?
>data = 2010
>we are in 2016
>>67643350
>words are hard!
>>67637983
Hey moron...Fucking.moron. that's LEGAL immigrants. We don't care about them. They pay taxes and shit. We want to stop the illegal immigration. Stop being a dumbfuck and MAGA
>>67643831
See >>67638597
Why are you faggots so uninformed?
>>67639489
Nobody is saying they aren't spending enough money, faggot. The catch and release policy makes border patrol spending irrelevant. The wall is not the end all, be all of immigration policy, and nobody thinks it is. It's just one tool among many, and a bare minimum for any person serious about border security.
Faggot.
>>67643814
>my lack of knowledge makes you a retard!
Also see >>67643932
>>67644217
>implying we don't already have a wall
But if we spend upwards of $25 billion of our own money on something with no benefit we'll MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!
>>67644421
>Implying america is going to pay the wall
Go back to Mexico, Jorge García.
>>67644479
>being this economically illiterate
See >>67641809
>>67644625
>trust a liberal faggot posting in 4chan
>trust a millionaire who is going to be the president of USA
I have no doubt
>>67644901
>Cato Institute
>American Enterprise Institute
>liberal
>The Black Pearl? I've heard stories. She's been preying on ships and settlements for near ten years. Never leaves any survivors."
"No survivors? Then where do the stories come from, I wonder?
>>67645156
Quoting shitty Disney movies? Why?
>>67637983
Now take the integral and you realize that equals millions of low educated low IQ folks living here illegally
>>67645130
Very impressive, but a Trump's fart is richer than you.
>>67645563
Because most illegal immigrants don't show up on data. You know, the data you use as a fundament against Trump.
Given that they're committing a crime, it's preferable to keep quiet about your origins.
>>67645698
The low educated are voting for TRUMP
>>67637983
They still need to leave
>>67645776
Assuming the values are underrepresented at any given time, an obvious steady decrease still exists.
>>67645866
The wall will keep them here.
>>67646154
In cases like these, they are extremely underrepresented. As such, to conclude there is a "steady" decrease is nonsensical.
>>67646200
And the border patrol will throw them out. You must think it's hard rounding up 11 million people and exiling them.
>>67640990
You seem to be under the impression that the government is capable of creating jobs that will result in a net economic gain and not just funded by taxpayers
>>67637983
That's probably because we have almost their entire population here...
>>67645130
Yeah, it's not just liberals who have been pushing for more illegals, obviously.
It's exactly why trump is the only hope
Go home Reddit, you're not wanted here with your dumbshit arguments and false equivalencies.
>>67646350
>11 million
Funny how the numbers are suddenly reliable when they support your narrative :^)
It's actually extremely hard to deport that many people (specifically $400-$600 billion hard). Are you a troll or are you really that out of touch?
>>67646335
Hitler didn't waste 400-600 billion in rounding up the jews, gypsies and homosexuals. Are you seriously this out of touch with history?
>>67640990
We aren't paying for it libshit
>>67646677
>I can't find anything wrong with the argument you've presented so I'll just call you names instead!
Trump supporters in a nutshell.
>>67646656
Then surely you'll be able to explain how Mexico will pay for the wall. With specifics.
>>67646986
>>67647056
>>67647086
>>67646718
This is the root of the problem.
Idiots like you are traitors who are not proud of their country and don't believe in it.
Do you actually think the United states of America can't deport whatever number of illegals that are here?
This country was built and is inhabited by much more capable citizens than faggots like you.
You're not going to convince patriots that we can't do exactly what we want, because we can.
Now, kill yourself, faggot
H-hey guys, c-come on, it's not even that bad h-heh heh, don't kick me out...por favor.
>>67639022
So Reddit agree with us that Israel needs to tear down their walls?
Noice.
>>67646718
11 milllion is the LOWEST estimate
it could be as high as 50 million
>>67646718
>It's actually extremely hard to deport that many people (specifically $400-$600 billion hard).
quick question. will you admit that illegals have any burden at all on the taxpayer? what would you say the annual cost of NOT deporting them is?
>>67637983
Most of the illegal immigrants are from south and central America, jqcawwk.
They walk through the Mexican border.
>>67637983
Self-Deport, son.
>>67646718
They cost is even higher when we let them stay and leach off of us. You are retarded.
>>67647134
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-08-13/donald-trump-doesn-t-have-as-much-leverage-with-mexico-as-he-thinks
>The prospect of a trade war is unlikely to be welcome news for businesses on the northern side of the border: Mexico is the United States' second largest export market, and third largest trading partner with $507 billion in total trade in 2013.
>>67647790
They don't leach, they pay taxes like everyone else. Plus, in our "muh college" culture, only brain-dead retards would want their jobs. Why do you want most of America scrubbing shit?
>>67647460
Cool, more leverage
>>67647880
>good goy, the GDP is all that matters
>>67647986
Then come in legally. What don't you understand about the word "illegal"? Are you a brain-dead retard?
>>67637983
There is a reason why the PC term for illegals is 'Undocumented worker'.
>>67637983
>see: methodology
Top wew
>>67648024
Reddit fag
Remove brick weed
>>67647756
Not according to trump.
>>67647630
There is a burden but it's offset by state and local taxes. For example undocumented immigrants pay $13 billion in social security each year but only get $1 billion back. What would you say the cost of deporting 11 million people is? More importantly, how would a wall fix this problem?
>>67637983
That's legal immigration dipshit. they have no reason to come in legally anymore when illegally is cheaper, quicker and gets them the same benefits in the short-mid term.
>>67648323
>come in legally
>citizenship process takes years at least
>meanwhile the US would be in turmoil from the extreme loss of labor for at least months so Mexicans can get green cards.
You do realize only 5% of us are unemployed right? God damn Trump supporters are special.
>>67639489
21,444 WHAT
NATIONAL TOTAL WHAT
WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT NUMBER MEAN
LRN2GRAPH
>>67648377
If anyone's a reddit fag, it's OP. Look at my posts in this thread, you fucking retard.
>>67638086
Mexico's birth rate fell down to replacement levels last year. Presumably, they would actually become a migration sponge for the Central Americans in about 15 years.
Short of some kind of economic collapse, it seems unlikely that they would start migrating to the US en-masse again.
>>67640990
>infrastructure
>10s of billions
More like hundreds of billions, which by the way we are already spending annually just to take care of fucking illegals.
>>67648594
Yes you have nice memes, now fuck off and let the adults argue.
>>67648551
Do you have a source for any of that bullshit?
>>67637983
Define "Immigrants". Does it include people illegally staying on territory of US?
>>67648594
>posts screenshots from 4chan
>posts snippets from Trump speeches
>has no reliable sources
>>67648697
What memes, Pedro?
>>67646986
>>67647056
>>67647086
>>67647134
Where's the memes in these posts?
>>67647790
wat
$400 - $600 billion to deport 11 million illegal immigrants (http://americanactionforum.org/research/the-budgetary-and-economic-costs-of-addressing-unauthorized-immigration-alt)
IS GREATER THAN
$113 billion in annual costs at the federal, state and local levels (http://www.fairus.org/publications/the-fiscal-burden-of-illegal-immigration-on-united-states-taxpayers)
>>67648714
>>67648887
Yes, my half sister who's made straight As through school, college, and is now going to Law School. happens to be an illegal immigrant. We talk about immigration all the time. This is reality you stupid Trump child, don't you ever wonder why Mexicans don't just become citizens immediately? It takes years.
>>67647986
I'd rather the brain dead retards have a chance at low skill jobs instead of crime being the only option.
Special kind of retard believes we only have 5% unemployment.
But please, send me the .gov link how unemployment it at an all time high just like every other president has claimed as they stop counting people who have been out work for over 9 months.
Almost 100 mil out of the work force.
>>67648950
Then she should know what illegal means.
>implying an undocumented illegal alien can pass the bar and be a lawyer! topkek kid
Thought you said the adults were talking?
>>67637983
it's the illegals dumbdumb
>>67648950
clearly your anecdote trumps any type of evidence (especially governmental one) about how unemployment and visas work
BRAVO
>>67648950
She is a traitor to the law and you are her accomplice. The two of you deserve to be drawn and quartered.
>>67637983
Rule of law, bitches.
You have to go back.
>>67648891
>Annual costs
So, using critical thinking we were supposed to learn in school, it is cheaper to provide for illegal immigrants up to one year. After that year is up it is now much cheaper to have deported them.
Don't forget that the spics breed like cockroaches. Once you get them in your home you can't seem to get rid of all of them. The only true method to get rid of them professionally (Operation Wetback 2: Concentration Camp Edition) or let the winter take care of them (natural selection/elimination of social welfare/sacrifice of the lessor folk).
>>67648891
Millions walked into Europe in a couple years they can walk the fuck out for free.
>>67648950
Thought you said it was only shit jobs the illegals were taking? Hmmm... that sounds like a job a legal citizen would want...
>>67648891
Trumpfags can't into logic
>>67649205
http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/02/justice/california-immigrant-lawyer/
Why do Trump supporters know so little about their own country?
>>67637983
> 10% of Mexican citizens live in the USA
> (it's probably higher)
> 40% of murders in FL are committed by illegals, who are only 5% of the population
> Similar numbers in TX, AZ, other states
> Countless criminal illegals deported only to return and murder US citizens
BUILD
>>67649205
Yeah, she's gotten no federal aid whatsoever and is running on grants because she's a genius. Meanwhile dumb white kids go 70k in debt. She came here as a small child, then my mother gave birth to me in the US.
>>67649106
Thanks for conceding defeat by derailing the argument.
>>67649223
Citizenship takes years and money, visas and so on takes months, this would still be devastating for employers and they know this, it's just trump fags like you who don't.
>>67649251
Ahahaha
>>67649417
She's clearly a minority. Are you conceding defeat?
>>67649211
The graph includes illegals dumbdumb.
>>67648891
This is short term, libertarian retard thinking
A country is defined by its population. Look at Japan. No natural resources. Their power is in their gene pool
Deporting a low-IQ, illegal demographic would strengthen America well beyond your near-term financial numbers.
Immigration is not bad, but we need to return focus on stealing the best and brightest citizens from the rest of the world. It's the #1 way to maintain power
>>67638597
US Undocumented Population Drops Below 11 Million in 2014, with Continued Declines in the Mexican Undocumented Population
Disingenuous! They have children of their own h who have citizen. Their children who are citizens are qualified for social welfare, public education, and healthcare. You're an idiot if you think they are going to either leave behind their children or they will leave with their children with economic opportunities.
>>67649251
Your sister probably doesn't work, and if she does the taqueria doesn't care about her straight B's.
Once she shits out a few beaner babies she'll qualify for CHIP, medicaid, free school meals, everything.
GET 'ER OUTTA HERE
>>67648950
n = 1
affirmative action (woman, brown)
60% of law students can't find jobs
she'll never pay off the debt
Nice try though
You are the reason we need to deport and build
>>67649618
>low-IQ
Opinion discarded. Go back to stormfront retard.
>>67648950
>she happens to be an illegal immigrant
And we are supposed to feel bad or something? The one illegal immigrant in your family you can vouch for on a Mongolian picture board? Gonna sway the support of the wall? Gonna lower those high crime rates in all Mexico US border states?
Maybe she should use her lawyer skills and start prosecuting some undocumented spics, be on trumps side and things will be easier for her. We want immigrants who work, Like your sister. If she should be afraid of anything, it should be the illegals taking her chance away at being successful in America because she works and they don't want to.
>>67649452
truth
>>67649661
They certainly won't want to leave if we build a wall.
>>67649443
That's fucking disgusting.
>Why do Trump supporters know so little about their own country?
California has been ruined by Mexicans and libs.
>>67649551
>are you conceding defeat?
No I'm pointing out that you are a lying piece of shit.
Can't wait til she's ejected.
>>67649661
>gulf of marijuana
I don't even think this is real now.
>>67649551
You're back to your initial argument of "muh labor" with the small omission of your flawed 5% unemployment stat. Yet you still haven't given us evidence of either. You're essentially repeating yourself at this point.
Perhaps you'd like to try again at proving that?
>>67649730
>>>67649618 (You)
>>low-IQ
>Opinion discarded. Go back to stormfront retard.
Here are all of your silly ideas disproven, if you have the balls to read through it
Written by a black man
Index of claims:
> 1. Only White Supremacists, neo-Nazis, the KKK, etc. believe in a biological basis to racial differences in behavior and intelligence.
> 2. Race is a social construct and doesn’t exist.
> 3. Human genetic variation is clinial (i.e., smooth), hence you can’t separate humanity into distinct races
> 4. There can’ t be races or racial differences because everyone knows serious human evolution stopped 50,000 years ago.
> 5. The primary cause of differences in human behavioral traits and intelligence is our environmental circumstances, not our genes.
> 6. Intelligence and behavioral traits can’t be in any way inherited, because no one has found a “gene for intelligence” or for any behavioral trait.
> 7. Nobody knows what intelligence is, or how to measure it, and it is certainly not measured by IQ tests.
> 8. Non-Whites score low on IQ tests because the tests are culturally biased.
> 9. Poverty and/or discrimination are the causes of racial gaps intelligence.
> 10. Charles Murray, Nicholas Wade, Richard Lynn, Steve Sailer, and all these other “race” scientists think all Black people are dumb and are criminals.
https://jaymans.wordpress.com/jaymans-race-inheritance-and-iq-f-a-q-f-r-b/
>>67649730
Low IQ correlates with higher crime and less economic success. Your opinion is more retarded.
>>67649760
You're not supposed to feel bad, just accept that deporting millions of great workers and hardworking students would be awful for the economy, and unethical. Your boss knows this, only retards want to deport them so they scrub toilets instead. Common sense. How about we fix the legalization process instead of voting for memes.
>>67650175
The unemployment stat is close to 5%, kill yourself.
>>67650029
So you have conceited defeat, I haven't lied once but nice Strawman.
>>67650175
He won't. He's an accosted retard with no mind of his own. He'll just continue to parrot talking points his totally awesome teachers, who never accomplished anything, spew.
>>67650310
Where's your evidence? And your anecdotes don't count.
>>67649551
Nah fuck off, your fuckslut sister deserves to be sent back no matter what the fuck you say.
>>67649881
With or without the wall they won't leave due to their children having citizenship.
It's a touch situation, no doubt about that. The children being citizens have rights which I would include the right to have their own parents take care of them. It's better than becoming a state ward.
My plan is such:
(1) Parents who are illegal immigrants who have children with citizenship will be granted amnesty on the condition that they forfeit the privilege of ever being naturalized. They will instead be granted permanent legal residency.
(2) Amend the Fourteenth Amendment's citizenship section to require any person born in the United States to have at least one parent who is either a citizen or a legal permanent resident.
(3) Reestablish a Broncos-like program to discourage illegal immigrants who seek employment
(4) Immigration laws should be based on economic need of the United States and factor in an applicant's likelihood not being a social burden (welfare or prison)
(5) Nation-build Mexico into a stable, prosperous country so the Mexico's poor won't have a reason to come to America
(6) BUILD WALL
>>67650310
You genuinely believe unemployment is at 5% AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH TOPKEK.
That 5% only shows people who are collecting unemployment or on the radar screen of unemployment agencies. Once you stop collecting unemployment or never receive it: you're no longer in that special percentage.
>>67650528
The average Trump supporter everyone. Look closely, watch as he refutes all common sense and statistics as he buries his head in memes.
>>67650456
>asks for evidence.
>doesn't point out for what.
>expects me to spoonfeed him sources when he can google them in a new tab.
We're done man, keep on memeing.
>>67639890
>immigration tends to be circular by default
Gonna need a source on that, buddy, or at least some kind of decent argument as to why they'd choose to go back to the shithole they ran away from.
>>67640015
Good post. Have a (You)
>>67637983
I don't think they can count illegal statistics bud
>>67649551
How exactly do you think keeping the border open would work out for you and your family?
Every immigrant that comes increases labor market competition, increases housing prices, and puts more strain on our infrastructure / finances.
I'm sure you live in LA. You know that traffic is the result of Mexican immigration, right?
You realize that if the border stays open, you are fucked? The people who come are mostly on public assistance. The people they vote for are the ones who want to keep the border open.
We're at a point where if it's not stopped now, everyone will suffer.
You should also understand that this is not about compassion. It's about 50% of the US population falling for propaganda pushed by Fortune 500 CEOs and multinational financial titans like George Soros and the Koch brothers. Nobody actually cares about you - they just listen to what their TV tells them to think.
Soros spent $33 Million on Black Lives Matter. He also funded Kasich to help him win Ohio. He funds The Center For American Progress, which backs Romney's attacks on Trump.
You are a social tool of a Hungarian billionaire. You and your people are being used as a weapon against the one country that could save Mexico by waging a war on the cartels and your corrupt government.
Instead you come here, with a attitude that we owe you something. Your people have built nothing. Mexico is slightly above 3rd world standards only because of its proximity to the world's greatest power. Our drug users power your economy.
You should be humbled and afraid. You do not belong here. Pray Trump wins and our compassion saves you and your people. Otherwise, this country will fall, and your children's children will live in a nothing nightmarish hispanic hovel, to the benefit of the next Carlos Slim or George Soros of the world.
>>67650723
So you said it would be unethical to deport the illegals already here. Why? You said these people are skilled workers, couldn't they make their home countries better?
>>67648603
they will once we deport 11 million of them back into the country.
You fucking sperglord. We're worried about savages from el salvador and honduras, not Mexico
>>67637983
>what are numbers that are reported and documented
I always am tempted to ask Mexicans what it's like to make things worse when they settle in America.
>>67650310
>So you have conceited defeat, I haven't lied once but nice Strawman.
You implied that illegals only have shit jobs so we shouldn't deport them. Lawyer isn't a shit job.
Also, shut the fuck up about people using memes. Did you forget where you are, you dumb spic?
>pic-related is your future
>>67637983
THINKING IMMIGRATION = ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION
>TOP KEK
Fucking retard OP can you stop baiting this shit please.
I can't handle the retardation.
>>67650705
Don't waste your breath on Bernout retards
Just post this chart
the ones with an IQ above 100 might start to understand
>>67648950
She needs to go back
>>67650874
Not when they can't afford to eat, Mexico pays quarters per hour. They came here to feed their families.
>>67650855
Excess good labor is only a bad thing in a fucked economy. There are a hundred other factors to blame for the economy stalling. Our corporations stashing trillions of dollars overseas, companies like General Electric not paying a cent in taxes, companies moving jobs overseas so they don't have to pay workers a living wage. The list goes on, target the real issues before you shit up your party with memes.
>>67648950
>having exponentially expanding population is a good thing.
We aren't even producing anything on our own anymore. How he fuck do you expect more immigrants will somehow change that. All they do is lower our standards for everyone.
>implying unemployment rate isn't skewd.
Everyone knows this. even libtards.
>>67648950
She's stealing a place at law school from someone who was born here. Her ass needs to go the fuck back.
>>67650855
Why do you think the border is open? What evidence do you have to support this? Did you not understand the point of this thread? Illegal immigration is decreasing. More immigrants are going back to Mexico than entering the United States. Traffic is the result of Mexican immigration? Are you actually retarded?
>>67650888
High energy post right here. Great way to start the day.
>>67651372
people are coming in from countries south of mexico you retard
>>67651469
Tell that to Trump. I think he missed the memo.
>>67651547
The wall stops everyone. Especially half retarded el-salvadorians
>>67651312
>Excess good labor is only a bad thing in a fucked economy.
Define bad. Define "good labor". You're talking to an econ major here btw.
> There are a hundred other factors to blame for the economy stalling. Our corporations stashing trillions of dollars overseas,
Because of Fed rates and higher corporate taxes than most of the western world
> companies like General Electric not paying a cent in taxes, companies moving jobs overseas so they don't have to pay workers a living wage.
Wrong. See above
> The list goes on, target the real issues before you shit up your party with memes.
Jesus christ.
I would vote for Chairman Mao if his one and only campaign proposal was to deport you alone.
>>67651619
Then why should Mexico pay for the wall?
>>67651665
>You're talking to an econ major here btw.
>>67648950
He thinks the U.S. will stay cucked and won't defend our borders forever and nothing will ever change.
Itz coming.
BTW, I tried to move to mexico once to do tech work back in the day. The immigration lady in Guadalajara told me that they'd jail me on an island and no one would ever hear from me again if I overstayed my 90 day visa.
Seeing as though that was WAY more restrictive, shouldn't you be changing things back in your shitty country first?
Seriously, it's gotta be humiliating that you all so desperately need to follow white people around to take advantage over the societies they create.
>>67651843
Because its there border too. Mexican gov are nothing but cartel funded sleezy faggots.
>>67651665
>Econ major
Top Kek
>Because of Fed rates and higher corporate taxes than most of the western world
Keep sucking that corporate cock, they are trying to evade ALL TAXES. The rich will always try to make an extra penny no matter how rich they are, that's Crony-Capitalism.
Also, why the fuck should they complain when it was OUR taxes and OUR rules that let them get so rich in the first place. There's not a single reason for them to ruin our economy because of greed.
>Wrong. See above
Look it up, General Electric gets away with not paying a cent in taxes of their profits. I can't make this up. Keep sucking that corporate dick, wagecuck.
>>67652026
>>67651665
"You're talking to an econ major btw"
Oh, fuck off. You're probably 19 and know jack shit about economics. Just because you study something doesn't mean you're fucking knowledgeable of it. And honestly getting a degree in econ just signifies you have shit decision making skills.
HERP DERP ACCOUNTING AND FINANCE MAJOR HERE LET THAT VALIDATE MY RETARDATION
>>67649881
Absolutely they will, because it will be coupled with policies that simply make illegal life in the US unbearable like:
>immediate deportation after any contact with government
>E-verify and enormous penalties for employers who don't hire Americans at all costs
>culture of non-tolerance for illegals, and acceptance of legal immigrants, but at a much lower level.
>dramatically increasing cost of visas, green cards to levels where their labor must be irreplaceable to merit paying for the visa
>taxing money sent to mexico at a high rate
>>67651665
It's your bullshit mindset that led to each Financial Crisis. Fiscal Policy is the only way forward.
>>67651665
Look out guys, he's an econ major!
>>67652026
And why the fuck would Mexico ever agree to that? Especially if they're "sleezy faggots".
>>67652291
How many illegals we got in here? Holy fuck.
>>67652345
They don't have to agree. Read the thread you fucking wetback.
>>67648577
it literally says ''Border Patrol Agent Staffing'' you fucking retard
>>67637983
Surely that isn't due to the fact getting over here illegally is apparently easy as shit.
Surely.
>>67638351
Pls annex
>>67652204
>
Keep sucking that corporate cock, they are trying to evade ALL TAXES. The rich will always try to make an extra penny no matter how rich they are, that's Crony-Capitalism.
You realize Trump is being attack by globalist billionaires on the left and the right - Do you know who Soros and the Koch brothers are?
> Also, why the fuck should they complain when it was OUR taxes and OUR rules that let them get so rich in the first place. There's not a single reason for them to ruin our economy because of greed.
I get the feeling you've never PAID taxes in your life. But you need to understand that companies are leaving the USA for places like Ireland and taking jobs and money with them. The reason is our corporate tax rate.
We can also bring back working class jobs by ending bad trade deals.
> Look it up, General Electric gets away with not paying a cent in taxes of their profits. I can't make this up. Keep sucking that corporate dick, wagecuck.
Wagecuck.. So you are the immigrant who deserves to be here but working is something to be ashamed of? This is why people want to deport you.
The top corporate tax rate in the United States is 35 percent, one of the highest in the world. Companies have an obligation to their shareholders to avoid paying any and all taxes that they can because of this.
You don't understand how the world works. Read a basic econ introduction. "Naked Economics" is a good one. Freakonomics is not.
I'm trying to have a conversation with you but you're just confirming stereotypes about idiot bernie supporters and hispanics in general
>>67637983
100k+ annually is a lot of immigrants you fucking retard, but I guess I shouldn't expect someone like you to be able to look at anything other than the big colourful squiggly line on a graph.
>>67652532
Do you know how trade balance works? How exactly is the Mexican government going to magically absorb the trade surplus accumulated from the profits of private citizens? And what motivation would they have in doing so? Screenshots from anons and quotes from Trump don't count.
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>>67652776
No, no, it's just a 33% increase in population in about 10 years. in the third largest country in the world... nothing to worry about....
>>67652400
That's the best you can come up with after I fucking roasted you?
I bet you feel like such an idiot.
>>67637983
Now it's Central Americans more than Mexicans.
Still coming from the Southern border.
>>67652731
>The reason is our corporate tax rate.
Wrong, the reason is the abundance of loopholes in the tax code. Even if the statutory rate were 5%, if there were a lower rate somewhere else and loopholes existed to allow said corporation to funnel their profits through this other country, they would do it.
>The top corporate tax rate in the United States is 35 percent, one of the highest in the world.
The poor econ major doesn't know what an effective tax rate is. Do you go to community college or something?
>>67652946
Is that estimate taking into account how many kids these spics shit out? Wouldn't be surprised if it shot up to 50%.
>>67637983
Yeah how about show the numbers for ILLEGAL immigration you stoned fuck
>>67653177
Read the fucking thread dipshit.
>>67652814
>quotes from Trump don't count >he explains how he's going to make them pay
Is something wrong with your brain?
>>67637983
And these people say that 800 000 migrants to Germany is "cuckly". They got ~7.5 mln of Mexicans.
>>67637983
I love how you only included Mexico, rather than every Latin American country
>>67653146
The top corporate tax rate is 35% - are you denying this?
Are you also denying it would have an effect on the behavior of corporate finances?
You're being dishonest and you're wrong. You don't understand the issues, that's why you support bernie
>>67652893
>Spot the only good countries on Earth
Though ignore the African ones, because the Africans already fucked up what were decent countries.
>>67653248
You're right, why would a politician ever lie? You idiots are so gullible it's fucking hilarious.
>>67652731
> But you need to understand that companies are leaving the USA for places like Ireland and taking jobs and money with them.
The Tax Rate isn't preventing the CEOs of those companies from making a profit, they just want to make even more money instead of investing in our economy. That's why they store 2.1 Trillion dollars overseas. A lower tax rate will not keep jobs here when they can pay workers PENNIES overseas.
>The top corporate tax rate in the United States is 35 percent, one of the highest in the world
Yes and they don't pay half of it thanks to loopholes and Citizens United, hmmm, the economy still doesn't look much better to me.
>Read a basic econ introduction. "Naked Economics" is a good one. Freakonomics is not.
They said the same stupid shit about FDR too, how about you crack a history book. Fiscal Policy is exactly what this country needs. Deregulation only leads to Financial turmoil, see Wall Street.
>>67653294
The statutory tax rate means nothing if it's not being enforced. Are you slow?
>>67653059
Where did you roast me? I haven't talked to you in this thread except for when I called you an illegal. fuckin spic retard
>>67652568
What the fuck does ''Border Patrol Agent Staffing'' mean when they measure it in numbers?
You dumb fucking spic faggot.
>>67653431
Why are you worried then, Pedro?
>>67653748
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/
No reason. Still waiting for you to explain how Mexico's paying for that wall, buddy.
>>67653663
Lmao are you actually this stupid? What is wrong with this board?
>>67637983
10 FEET HIGHER
>>67653531
You don't understand what I'm saying. You're obsessed with corporations being "evil" when in reality they are just tools created by people. No more evil than a hammer
Simple policy changes would fix it. It will never happen if people like yourself don't take the time to understand basic economics
>>67653841
Well since Trump is the one suggesting the wall and it's part of his campaign, maybe you should find out what he said about it. It's been said a hundred fuckin times.
>>67653898
Protip: "staffing" isn't a word, Pablo. The word you're grasping for is "staff."
>>67637983
I know that graph is funny, but that the only thing the right have. Without it, welp forget the right.
>>67653841
>politibias
>>67653254
At least mexicans are decent catholics, not muslim scum.
>>67654057
He understands the situation much more than you do, we are advocating to close loopholes and impose a tax on anything that gambles with our economy, such as Wall Street speculation.
>Simple policy changes would fix it.
WHOA THERE, is that you Bernie Sanders? Don't close the loopholes, money is money!! XD XD
Seriously, you wouldn't shut the fuck up about lowering the tax rate, and now you've 180'd.
>>67648950
AYYY FUCK HAVIN BORDERS N LAWS N SHIT ESSE
MI HERMANA IS A FUCKIN GENIUS ESSE DONT DEPORT HER MANG SHE DINDU NUFFIN
>>67637983
the wall is only a major issue because the media has made it so
trump has immigration plans beyond a wall
>>67654057
Oh wow, I'm obsessed am I? Corporations have a duty to maximize profits for shareholders. I was simply correcting your misunderstanding that the statutory tax rate bears any weight on corporations whatsoever.
>>67654069
And the things he says are false. So Mexico won't be paying for the wall.
>>67654209
Yes, facts have a liberal bias.
>>67654057
But since you're our resident economics guru, maybe you can explain to me how Mexico is going to pay for the wall?
>>67654471
Just wait and see. Your savior Bernie is done. Shit's about to get real for you and the scum like you.
>>67654298
> we
> muh loopholes
Hey, I can meme instead of having a discussion too! ebig trolling!!!
This is what happens when you try to post during work hours I guess. Please sign up for some econ courses next semester, kid
>>67648024
agree anon,build your wall too.
>>67648950
So she's better than all the other immigrants who waited to become immigrants?
Is that what you're saying you stupid fucking illegal?
>>67654711
Trump supporters everyone. I can't wait to watch Hillary crush Trump come November.
>>67654592
Here's one possibility but there are many other avenues for getting the funding:
NAFTA is a free trade agreement we have with Mexico. It has cost the United States over a million jobs, and has benefited the Mexico and US corporate interests at the expense of average Americans
It is disliked on both sides of the aisle and could easily be repealed with Trump in office.
With it repealed, taxes would be levied on imports/exports with Mexico. At a modest tax/tariff rate that money would pay for the wall and then some.
>>67654733
>loopholes
>meme
How was your first year at community college, anon?
>>67654972
You can also abolish foreign aid to Mexico, which saves hundreds of millions of dollars each year
>>67654908
Did you know Bernie was against open borders just last year and said "Open borders? No, no. That's a Koch brothers idea."
It's in a Vox interview with Erza Klein
The only people who actually want open immigration from Mexico and S. America are the corporate elite that you hate so much. The protesters are just their tools. Pro-immigration corporate powers own the media that feeds them these dumb ideas
>People who don't want the wall are either liberals or illegals
Every time without fail. Also
>45 posts by this ID
>>67654471
>Facts have a liberal bias
LMAO. Every economist would disagree.
>So Mexico won't be paying for the wall
He made it clear, if they don't pay directly, they'll be paying indirectly when the trade imbalance is stunted.
>>67654908
>Trump supporters everyone.
So what about Bernie supporters that are now Trump supporters, you Hillary shill?
>>67654779
I like Mexicans. Just not illegal ones that come in and take advantage of us.
>>67654908
This whole board is Trump supporters idiot. I can't wait for Hillary's indiction. What makes you think think she will crush anyone?
>>67654908
agreed my friend! i, for one, cannot wait for madame hillary to introduce her white male tax and make america diverse again!
>>67654996
>>67653146
>Do you go to community college or something?
>How was your first year at community college, anon?
It didn't land the first time, maybe try the joke again...
>>67655233
He's extremely worried so we must be doing something right.
REMINDER FOR WHEN PEOPLE TRY TELLING YOU IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO ROUND UP AND TRANSPORT MILLIONS OF PEOPLE
Ask them why they are denying the holocaust ever happened
>>67637983
Trump understands that if he were to go into detail about why the country is fucked up people would just fall asleep, so he just blames it on Mexicans and talks about walls. Smart businessmen know how to capitalize on retardedness.
>>67654471
God damn you are embarrassing yourself
College degrees don't make you smart. And community college degrees aren't something to be ashamed of.
The majority of America is smarter than Bernie supporters. Even if only 25% have degrees, they can still see through the bad ideas and weird academic condescension
>>67654972
And you don't think this will hurt the American people? How high would the tariffs have to be to account for $25 billion? How would you factor in the economic slowdown due to higher prices on consumer goods?
>>67655198
Please point out when I mentioned anything about open borders. My entire point is that our border is already secure. Adding more agents and other resources might help make the border even more secure, but it is pretty obvious that building a giant wall would do nothing. Again, never said anything about hating the corporate elite. I just hate the blatant lies that Donald Trump uses to manipulate the uneducated people in this country. But more importantly, why do you have to put words in my mouth in order to come up with a response?
>>67637983
If it isn't such a big deal, then why not build a wall? I mean it isn't going to cost anything since Mexico is paying for it.
>>67655909
Before we continue I need you to tell me if you support Bernie Sanders for president or not
If so, I will need you to tell me what you think his chances are of winning the democratic nomination
>>67655440
That quote is everything that's wrong with western world - stupid fucking "diversity" non-problems used to distract from the great buttfuck that is the Federal Reserve.
>>67655925
This, the wall was scheduled to be built a fucking decade before trump ran. Why is everybody freaking out about it now?
>>67655925
Mexico is not going to pay for it.
>>67655753
Weren't you talking about IQ earlier? Attending college typically requires a higher IQ, and higher IQ corresponds to better critical thinking. Which is something you clearly lack since you keep ignoring the actual points that I've made. Instead you keep bringing up Bernie Sanders in some attempt to attack me, despite the fact that I've said nothing about who I'd like to be president. If you're this insecure about your argument maybe you should reevaluate why you support Trump.
>>67656085
There you go again. Ignoring the points I've made to bring up Bernie Sanders out of nowhere.
>>67655909
>Building a wall will do nothing
Except it will. When you make it next to impossible for migrants to cross on land, it will stunt migration. Simple as that.
>>67656385
You are incoherent. Do you realize that?
Answer the question, Bernvictim. We all know what you are and why you are here. He won't win. Cry harder. /pol/ isn't for you. you only strengthen the arguments of your enemies by posting here
>>67656385
>Mexico is not going to pay for it
Refer to:
>>67655264
>>67656489
I'm noticing a trend here. Every time a Trump supporter is confronted with an argument that they're ill-equipped to respond to, the Bernie insults come flying out. I happen to think all of the candidates are shit, but Trump is by far the worst. I'm starting to root for Hillary now solely because of how epic the debates will be and how she is absolutely going to eviscerate him.
>>67656529
And how is he going to change the trade balance? How will this affect the American economy as a whole?
>>67656695
Fucks sake just tell him if you like Bernie or not.
>>67656489
Anyway, I think it's fun to expose you retards for how uninformed you actually are. Nearly all of the trump supporters in this thread were completely unaware of the immigration trends in this country.
