Can somebody explain how this man is a viable candidate?
To me it seems his main method of gaining support is through evoking strong emotion.
His policies aren't really that great when you look at them and whenever they're called into question, he appeals to authority instead of relying on the strength of the policy. Why are people voting for him? Are we this easily swayed?
I don't think he's dumb, just a piece of shit.
>>67625205
Seriously
Any takers?
I can't imagine why somebody would vote for this guy. I want your reasoning
>>67625620
Really? Nothing?
So there is no reason?
I expected at least a half-assed "because he's going to make America great again" response like the ones I get from my simpler friends
He had me at wall, reformed healthcare, and having never been tainted by the capital building.
He's far too authoritarian for me to want to jump his bones, but small government politicians can't seem to attract a crowd.
I just want Trump to skullfuck normies desu senpai.
>>67626158
The whole illegal immigration debate is highly alarmist and most people are pretty ill-informed on the matter. Plus, we've had walls on borders in history and they always fall. We should be working towards a unified world.
His healthcare reform is insufficiently explained and appears to create a very large deficit. It's funny that the "how are you going to pay for it" rhetoric only applies to Bernie.
>>67626536
What if, and i know this is crazy to suggest, people paid for their own healthcare?
>>67626536
Also whats there to be ill informed about illegal immigration? There are over 10 million people here who shouldnt stealing jobs, but somehow enforcing the law is wrong?
>>67625205
I'm highly uneducated on the most basic of matters regarding the political process or any of the Presidential candidates. So being the average American voter, I think I am qualified to answer your question:
He's Trump, a symbol of business success, he has money, it appears that he is "funding his own campaign", he gets a lot of attention from established politicians who actively resent him, said established politicians who are smooth talkers generally resented by the silent majority of Americans, he is an outlet for racial and socioeconomic tensions for those silent, he's not-PC, he represents the resentment towards the establishment and towards the younger generations, and he smears his opponents in a efficient way. He's going to make America Great Again.
>>67625205
How about you tell us about your "viable candidate " you've got waiting in the wings apparently
Trumps not perfect or near it but hes better than every other person running thats for sure
>>67627020
But none of those things matter. None are indicative of a better America, either.
He may not represent the establishment but he represents shameless profiteering and big money.
It's trading one evil for another.
>>67625205
"policies"
Things that lobbyists paid for.
>>67627136
We're not here to talk about "my candidate"
I want legitimate reasoning behind this guys support. I'll counter point what is offered, but nothing more.
What alternative do you muricunts even have to trump?
Hillary who has no policy platform other than "I have a vagina vote for me"?
Sanders who is a commie with one foot in the grave?
Cruz who is an evangelical oddball?
Kasich who has even less of a profile than Jeb?
>>67625205
Pc is literally anti white cancer.
Trump is not pc.
Win.
Was that so hard?
it's not aboit policy it's about leadership
retard cuck
>>67626536
>We should be working towards a unified world
Bringing in immigrants who demonstrate a good-faith desire to participate in American democracy will unite us culturally and increase our prosperity. Letting any cartel thug or terrorist waltz in unvetted will divide us by propping up foreign conflicts and draining our budget.
Trump is a meme candidate tbqh. Big words is all he needs. Would vote for him tbqh just for the banter he provides.
>>67627254
okay, heres a perfectly legitimate reason right here. You couldnt even name another candidate whose better just now, pretty easy to hate on everyone and be safe but not so easy to pick a side is it eh?
Also the fact that his opinions arn't bought and sold is a pretty good one to me.
Also he cares about the real issues and isnt some faggy open border lets all get along candidate. He's outlined why America sucks right now and how to fix it.
Im just a ron paul supporter that wants to watch the world burn
>>67627254
>I'll counter point what is offered, but nothing more
Basically the definition of retarded faggotry then.
>Why are people voting for him?
His appeal is that he's better than the other candidates. Same reason any candidate gets votes.
>>67627187
I agree, I was just presenting the point as a bystander. He appears to be doing well because of his anti-establishment image.
>>67625205
>his main method of gaining support is through evoking strong emotion
Obama
>DUDE CHANGE
Hillary
>DUDE GENDER WAGE GAP
Bernie
>DUDE BLM, 99% LMAO
>>67625205
American Born Citizen!
>>67625933
>>67625620
>>67625205
Dont worry buddy, it took a second but im here to destroy you, lets go
>>67627517
so basically you're too weak to take a side. People always say they wanna watch the world burn but do you really wanna fight 10000 jamals for the last bags of rice at walmart?
Can somebody explain how this man was ever a viable candidate?
To me it seems his main method of gaining support is through evoking strong emotion.
His policies aren't really that great when you look at them and whenever they're called into question, he appeals to authority instead of relying on the strength of the policy. Why are people voting for him? Are we this easily swayed?
I don't think he's dumb, just a piece of shit.
>>67625205
You're not thinking as the average person would. He tells you the problems and then he offers "solutions" that are pretty "radical" from what everyone else is offering, even if it could be better for the country and could help the people or not.
You also have to understand the presidential election is just one big reality show, and people always like when someone puffs themselves up and says things they think they want to hear. In reality, the president doesn't have as much power as any candidate would like you to believe and thinking they do shows a gross misunderstanding of our government.
If people actually gave a shit about the country they'd take more interest in their governors and in their congressmen.
tl;dr it's all a big shitshow and whoever blows the most smoke is favoured in the eyes of the retarded, unwashed masses
>>67627517
>Trump is a former member of the reform party
If trump is forced to go independent there is a good chance he'll take the most successful modern independent with him.
Ross Perot
If ross is too old/doesn't want to do it, there is a great chance he'll grab Ron Paul because he can actually land him votes and steal dems
>>67627517
This. I agree with this.
>>67625933
Triple bumping your own thread? Hey Bern supporter. Sorry #feelthebern is no more but Trump is now your best candidate to crush the establishment. I am waiting with open arms
Trump's policies regarding a secure border, support for legalization of medical marijuana (and recreational at a state level), deportation of illegal immigrants, keeping Gay Marriage a states issue (which is the best way to do it in compliance with the constitution), and general plans for healthcare are what captivates me the most.
Most people on this website won't put in enough effort to type out why they support him.
I like the fact that he's charismatic, tough, and he does not take anybody's bullshit. I'm personally tired of politicians pandering to spoiled millennials and leftists who try and control what people can and can't say through the media. Trump doesn't care about feelings, he cares about the law, bringing back jobs from overseas, and actually using the military we spend an enormous amount of our budget on.
He can't be bought by special interests, so I know he will be able to implement these changes without coercion or pressure for compromise when it comes to bringing jobs back from overseas.
>>67626536
>Plus, we've had walls on borders in history and they always fall. We should be working towards a unified world.
Oy vey
>>67627836
Where'd he go? He was so ready for a fight, thought we could secure another Trumpeter real quick.
Honestly guys if you stick to your guns and keep pressing people against trump for reasons they always flounder
>>67625205
>he appeals to authority instead of relying on the strength of the policy.
because its completely stupid and pointless to NOT appeal to authority
Look at the Carson campaign if you want to see how well a campaign that runs off specifics and facts (even though I don't agree with his interpretation of the facts) would work out.
>>67627821
look, another "oh opinions are too hard lulz lets just burn the world" guy
>>67627783
>Ross Perot
Isn't he dead?
>checks
...I think he's a bad choice for VP, but I acknowledge that he is in fact not dead.
>>67627946
Hey fellow Nationalist MAGA bro. We must befriend the Bern stragglers. I know its tough but the more the merrier. It's now about defeating Kasich -> Rato -> Hillary.
The gop is crumbling and that's ok. We will pick up strongholds enroute to victory in November.
/pol is crucial to continue the spread of greatness. MAGA
>>67627946
>Honestly guys if you stick to your guns and keep pressing people against trump for reasons they always flounder
That's why Trump keeps wining despite hundreds of millions of dollars spend against him and why your shill candidate Mr free white keeps getting cucked, right?
Stop trying to convert Trumpetere , retards.You are only digging your grave faster.
>>67627387
Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism. The way I see it, all you anti-PC whiners are just as bad as the PC fags. Just fucking get over it.
>>67627427
Everybody knows the best presidents were wingin' it, right?
>>67627513
I believe my candidate is better. He won my state. At least I know I wasn't on the wrong side of history. I'm here to pick your brains; I already have my mind made up.
>>67627733
Full on Curse of Knowledge with these people, man. Shit like this makes me reeeaaaal depressed.
>To me it seems his main method of gaining support is through evoking strong emotion.
Welcome to democracy. It is now approaching it's final form.
By the way, this is why the founder's of the country limited voting to a select group of people and instituted an electoral college. The Left gradually abolished those. A media-genius billionaire was not what the anticipated to occur; they thought they could get all the poor and the minorities to vote for Leftist policies.
>>67626536
>The whole illegal immigration debate is highly alarmist and most people are pretty ill-informed on the matter.
Say something with substance.
His policy on the wall is effective as our current wall is absolute shit and doesn't cover ground hardly at all. Illegal immigrants are an economic and disproportionally a social burden.
>Plus, we've had walls on borders in history and they always fall.
When has that ever been the fault of the concept of the wall itself and not a failure of the quality of the wall?
>We should be working towards a unified world.
We should, but we should do it through effective means. Strengthen immigration and provide a path to citizenship while also trying to keep out those will not abide by the law and intend to come illegally.
>His healthcare reform is insufficiently explained and appears to create a very large deficit.
It doesn't cause any manner of deficit and it costs less overall (to a massive degree) than Sanders' Single Payer Plan. What is insufficiently explained you'll have to tell us.
What I support of his is the effort to undo our decades of horrid trade deals and economic plans while focusing heavily on economic reform to increase the wealth of all Americans. The vast majority of his plans have a basis on just that. My main concern with him is his foreign policy and the lack of detail on a few economic issues (minimum wage for instance).
>>67628220
Wohhh you misunderstood. Here in America... specifically the Midwest... there are a lot of lost Bernie supporters.
They hate Hillary. We need to LEAD them to the Trump Train. All on board! !
>>67628263
okay, how about to stop telling us your intentions and do some fucking arguing.
Were saying trump is the best option, and you disagree, yet I see no reasons
>>67628263
>He had me at wall, reformed healthcare, and having never been tainted by the capital building.
>He's far too authoritarian for me to want to jump his bones, but small government politicians can't seem to attract a crowd.
OH GOLLY GEE DID YOU VOTE KASICH?
God, I bet you are boring as fuck.
>vaccines cause autism
>global warming is a hoax created by china
>increase fracking, windmills destroy every country they touch
>kill the environmental protection agency
>put more prisoners in gitmo
of course he's viable. right?
>>67628263
Of course not. Pc is about than just free speech. It encourages the anti white male narritive.
Muh wage gap, muh patriarchy, blm etc.
Which means more money for women amd niggers who dont pull their weight. It means that women will now be begged to be accepted into STEM fields at the expense of men who really earned it. And because of the nature of STEM a lot of women wont finish.
Need i go on?
>>67626536
Israel has a wall, works great.
>>67628263
I bet you dont even know Kasich's views, you like him because he's a nice guy right?
John Kasich wants more more than Trump and any other candidate for that matter, honestly hearing his answers about any foreign relations is fucking scary
>>67628364
Typical liberal. All hypocrisy, no information, no concrete, no stability.
Took me a few months to figure out how to personally bring these people down and make them look so misunderstood, so misguided. I developed a near salesmanship of Trump.
>>67628364
>complains about me reiterating intentions
>keeps making me explain them
I'm not here to argue, dude.
>>67628517
more war, sorry too fired up here by this uninformed reddit fag
>>67625205
test
>>67628556
what are here to do then? Why cant you take a side and stand for anything?
Go ahead and ask questions if you're here just out of curiosity
>>67626158
>but small government politicians can't seem to attract a crowd.
Then why is he running with the republicans who's entire platform is smal lgovernment?
>>67625205
>his policies are dumb
He has the greatest tax plan that I ever seen. People with 25000 dollar income or lower will have zero to low tax pay. He plans to make a boom on small businesses. This is why the bankers are against him
>>67625205
I'm more interested in the people he will hire to handle economic affairs than Trump himself. The internet age has made it abundantly clear all politicians have been far too comfortable fucking us in the ass and he would blow them out the hardest.
>>67628523
how? Im bretty gud on the internet but in real life these people feel too block headed and immediately pull the racist card
>>67627563
Dude weed lmao
>>67625205
I'll copy pasta earlier thread. I'll post again tomorrow. This is my new agenda.
If they're opinion makers come on the side of Trump it'll be easier. If people talk about the sense of voting for Trump over Hillary in that he will do far better on their core issues (poverty, healthcare, foreign policy) it may do some good.
These are people who dedicate a substantial portion of their lives to politics. They enjoy it and fighting for Hillary because Trump is MUH RACIST makes absolutely no sense. Trump is not a hateful person. You need to be somewhat realistic about race to avoid the train heading off the rails which is exactly what has happened in trade (working class people need working class work).
We've just replaced industrial jobs for drug-dealing. Its killing our kids and making the poor totally rehabilitated. If Reddit is to take a calculated risk they need to challenge this oligarchy. They are sucking the blood out of everything. Goldman "I don't care who wins between Jeb and Clinton" Sachs is the symbolic high point. There is so little difference in just how insane and evil these establishment candidates are.
I probably hate the Republican oligarchy as much as Reddit. I know high-information how evil they truly are.
You may think Trump is an asshole but he'll be YOUR asshole in that he'll be working for you and all Americans instead of oligarchs, plutocrats, and God nose what shadowy ideological force lurks behind the country. You guys don't have real skin in the game anymore so lets be reasonable. Caring about white people TOO makes you politically incorrect but it does not make you Hitler. It makes you American. What good is there in hating yourself? Time for this country to come together again. Trump is the only one who could feasibly make this possible.
>>67628653
4chan is hardly the place to take a stand for anything these days.
I don't seek your validation, just your opinions.
>>67628668
But his tax plan would also massively reduce taxes to large corportation, and he somehow thinks that will bring America more money.
>>67628815
Independent minded Dems and independent minded Republicans need to unite behind Donald Trump and give a resounding message to the establishment. Lets tell them that the time for FUCKING US OVER IS OVER. NO, it's not over, Reddit!!! Make the right choice for your countrymen. A vote for Clinton is a vote for everything you hate. Keep an open mind and help us make the country great again, Reddit. With this coporatist shill media operating as 24/7/365 anti-Trump propaganda we need all the help we can get!
Good. Sanders supporters are actually becoming coherent now. You all should come over to Trump. Please hear me out.
Only one who is not subordinated to Israel war lobby (AIPAC, AjC, etc), big Goldman Sachs banks, predatory H1b1 Visa tech companies screwing great Americans. Trump is the only who will prevent these diabolical drugs like crack and heroin from continuing to kill and ruin our working class people. Trump is the only one who will stop illegal immigration and end birthright citizenship which will help the poor and keep the country white ripe for the kind of socialism you'd like to see. No, Hispanics and Africans who betrayed you in this election are not going to care about the environment and womens pay gap, folks. That's only you.
He is the only one will take on the country's ripping us off on this psychotic trade deals set up by the corporatist neocons and demcucks like HILLARY CLINTON who we all despise. Time to acknowledge Trump gives us the best shot in taking this country where you'd like to see it go. Trump is the only one who can bring us a real healthcare system one that doesn't cater to big Pharma and big insurance companies. Eliminating competition is exactly what these bloodsucking corporations want! And that is exactly what Obamacare does FIRST.
>>67628714
this
they pull the racism and hitler card
you have to be a master ruseman to argue with these people
>>67628848
>end birthright citizenship which
And by what right does Trump have to end one of the amedments but Obama is the Commie Muslim anti Christ when he tries to stand in the way of another amedment?
>>67628815
>making the poor totally debilitated
>>67628830
the problem is you havnt really bashed anything specific for me to validate
You're the attacker here, im still patiently waiting on that argument for why trump isnt the best option
>>67628312
If you had a basic knowledge of American geography, you would know that the reason the wall doesn't cover all of the land area is because there is a massive fucking desert that serves as a natural border between the US and Mexico. Ranchers in the southwest leave water in remote areas because of the amount of immigrants who die of dehydration trying to cross hundreds of miles of desert by foot. Even if you built a wall, who would patrol it? Even if Mexico paid for the wall (they won't), who's going to pay for the additional border patrol?
>>67628714
Liberal:
> RACIST!
> BIGOT!
You:
> HOW?
Liberal:
> HE JUST IS! MUSLIMS! BADGES! DEPORTATION!
Remember, it's not about looking smart or cocky. It's about putting them in their place with a hint of knowledge. If they can't prove a point even the slightest, you have your foot in the door
>>67628830
also that statement is bullshit, were a huge part of the reason trump is causing such a stir
OP, if you're a leftist who believes almost all right-wing ideas don't make sense, why would you even make this thread? You obviously don't believe his (or most other Republican candidates') policies are useful, so inevitably the thread is just going to be "Well I like Trump because of his position on X and Y" and then you reply "but X and Y aren't important". It's a waste of time.
>>67628830
Could you tell us what you do, or at least shed some light on why you think so highly of yourself?
>>67625205
Apart from Mr Trump's financial education and business successes in life, his campaign was adamantly a pro-country populist nationalist campaign.
The difference here, say between him and Cruz, is that Trump was not wearing his conservatism on his sleeve, and trying to convince every person that he was the only conservative in the room. He was talking and promoting the greatness of our country, not the principles of the party.
Cruz's campaign is centered on himself with a pro-party agenda, whereas Trump's campaign is centered on fixing and restoring the country and how just great he can make it.
A pro-country populist nationalist message will always appeal across the political spectrum. A pro-party hard right conservative message only appeals to evangelicals and other hard right conservatives.
This is why Trump has such support.
>>67629006
>who would patrol it
Drones and border patrol.
>>67626536
>most people are pretty ill-informed on the matter
You are right that most people are ill informed but not in the way your angling. The leftist media plays our illegal immigrant problem as some humanitarian issue instead of law breakers which really slights hard working immigrants that go through the proper methods to enter the country and become citizens. I know many immigrant family's including ones from Syria that absolutely loath illegals because they have to pay taxes for people that break the law when they did everything right to come to this country.
The backlash greatly comes from those same dam Mexicans that drop a kid when they get here and still have more loyalty to their shit hole country than America unlike legal immigrants which are some of the most patriotic members of our country.
>>67628833
Of fucking course
This will erase rampant tax evasion
>>67628830
But we don't want to give you validation you vapid faggot. We're just saying that Trump is the best candidate by virtue of everyone else being that bad as president.
>>67629006
>who would patrol The Wall
Border patrol of course. Trump plans to increase it.
>>67628996
Birthright citizenship was installed when we needed people to settle the frontier, man. It has no bearing now whatsoever. INB4 MUH 2ND AMMENDMENT. The 2nd amendment was installed to protect us from government tyranny. Is anyone really going to say we don't live under government tyranny now left or right? No, of course not.
>>67628830
OP ... /pol is just not your place. Get out before you get eaten alive with another incoherent thread
>>67625205
it's called charisma, dipshit
>>67625205
>>67625620
>>67625933
>>67626536
>>67627187
>>67627254
>>67628263
>>67628556
>>67628830
so far this is the best this guy can do, just goes to show that we need Trump to put bitchy betas like this in their place
>>67625205
Politics is about emOtion, not reason
>>67625205
>explain how this man is a viable candidate
>this man
>man
You will address him as God-Emperor Trump you fucking weak little faggot.
>>67625205
Trumps pattern is pretty calculated. In the beginning he was very logical and gained a lot of support because of his interesting ideas and policies that weren't complicated but are effective.
This is trumps endgame, the deal sealer. He's already laid out his policies and plans, rehashing all of that over and over goes against his perception as a dynamic, out-of-the-box presidential candidate.
>>67629003
I'm not presenting an argument beyond "I don't agree with him, why do you?"
>>67629052
They call that delusions of grandeur, m8
>>67629078
I don't think highly of myself. Pretty self-deprecating at times. I just think I'm better by comparison to most
>>67625205
A bunch of kids got sick because of all the facilitated illegal immigration under American noses by Obama in 2014.
Immigration and unified world are great but it has to be done by a process and with the will of the people.
They need to go back and build wall.
>>67629158
Oh so America will go from rampant tax evasion to just massive tax reduction.
Big fucking whoop.
>>67629182
>It has no bearing now whatsoever
And the government tyranny does?
>>67625620
-The wall is not a literal wall of china but rather an aggressive stance towards border security. Not just mentioning it in one or two debates and leaving it by the wayside.
-He's a nationalist who isn't some reactionary Christian. "Make America Great Again" isn't the obnoxious desire of a santorum or a huckabee to turn the clock back to a leave it to beaver 1950s but simply the goal to make America a more assertive, stronger and more selfish country. I say selfish as a positive because I am not willing to have our country fall on its sword to better other countries by subsidizing their defense, sabotaguing our own economy to solve global warming when the Chinese and Indians and others will be faithless with their promises (and for good reason - I would want the Chinese to do so if I was chinese). The world is the law of the jungle, and even at some level the fucking -Swedes- recognize this considering they are starting to actually harden just the slightest bit towards migrants.
-He is willing and interested in playing hardball in foreign policy in a way that Obama and god forbid Sanders never would. Hillary would but only in the typical globalist way - playing hard with Iran and Russia but not those that take advantage of us in a less overt way.
-Except for Sanders he is the only candidate to take an aggressive stance on protectionism for us and our workers economically. I don't give a shit what snakeoil the globalists want to sell, they and their ilk (of which the Libertarians seem to be a major part. Nothing shook me from ever aligning with them ever again for how many Libertarian think tank or proponents are for open borders) want lower and middle class America to be brought down to the milquetoast levels of other third world countries to make us more 'competitive' - which is codeword for make them more money, nothing more.
>>67629332
RARE
>>67629182
You're actually one of the better posters here. I'm taking your posts to my tumblr wrecking crew to inspire and inform Bern supporters. They are very close to coming to support Trump, very close
>>67625205
>Can somebody explain how this man is a viable candidate?
I'm pretty sure what you're gonna read next will highlight how narrow your concept of "viability" is.
>To me it seems his main method of gaining support is through evoking strong emotion.
>Implying other candidates aren't
Just because Shillary appeals to "moderate" emotions, this doesn't mean she's not appealing to emotions.
Think of how the Jew media are trying to destroy Trump. Isn't this appeal to emotions?
Everybody, GOP or Dem included, is well aware that people who vote because of calculus and informed choice are the smallest slice of the cake. All of the candidates know very well that the vast majority votes with their guts, and that's exactly what all campaigns are about: appeal to guts.
Some have stronger guts, other have weaker guts, so each candidate aims at a certain slice of the population and hopes the ones they aim for will be the majority.
>His policies aren't really that great when you look at them and whenever they're called into question, he appeals to authority instead of relying on the strength of the policy. Why are people voting for him? Are we this easily swayed?
See above.
>I don't think he's dumb, just a piece of shit.
And is the concept of "piece of shit" incompatible with the concept of "viable candidate"? I don't think so.
>>67629361
>-The wall is not a literal wall of china but rather an aggressive stance towards border security
Anon please, you are only making yourself look bad when you say this.
>>67628665
You really believe this?
Both dems and reps have built an empire of bureaucrats they don't want to dismantle, mainly because most of them go back to those positions if they lose the next election. So many American families depend at this point of the size of the state, and every year that passes that number grows.
Republican party, at this point, will only cut superfluous spending without major reforms and consume debt+inflation to reduce taxes instead of to spend.
Democrats= Print money and acquire debt to spend.
Republicans= Print money and acquire debt to cut taxes.
>>67626893
KEK
>>67629177
Who is going to pay for it? How much is it going to cost?
By the way you're missing the main idea here. The wall we have is as effective as it can possibly be. One of his biggest campaign promises is fucking pointless and he is lying to you idiots because he knows it appeals to the xenophobic tendencies of people. Why do you think so many of his supporters are uneducated?
>>67629294
>I just think I'm better by comparison to most
Ah alright, so you're a "student" then. Makes sense, how about you turn your computer off, moonwalk away from the keyboard and gather your thoughts. I hurt for you after reading your pretentious, empty thoughts.
And stop confusing repeating someone else's rhetoric with original/unique thought.
>>67629350
Are you stupid? What would you gain if your tacpayers will always evade taxes? Nothing ffs. He also stated that he wanna lower down taxes at reasonable rates AND put up stricter laws on tax evasion. Its a win win solution in all sides. Why cant libtards comprehend themselves baka
>>67629006
>If you had a basic knowledge of American geography, you would know that the reason the wall doesn't cover all of the land area is because there is a massive fucking desert that serves as a natural border between the US and Mexico.
Yes, and Trump has even said that we don't need walls because of natural borders. To quote Trump:
>“It’s $8 billion.… And of the 2,000 [miles], we don’t need 2,000, we need 1,000 because we have natural barriers...
Nothing in my post says anything one way or another of the wall either. Regardless, is your main issue really getting people to patrol a 1000 miles of border that we are generally patrolling anyway? Drones and border patrol. Our existing infrastructure.
>Even if Mexico paid for the wall
>(they won't)
Very unlikely. While Mexico is big on being anti-Trump, he brought up the idea of actual trade wars because of the deficit we are already losing in trade with Mexico. As trade with America is very important to Mexico's economy (as is China's) this is very possible that he could strike a deal.
However foreign relations then are my major concern. As other countries are fucking us over it seems right to act on it but I'm not sure how they would react.
>>67629294
I've told you why I agree with him, but here, ill put them in greentext so maybe you can address anything at all and idk maybe try to defend yourself
>he wants to deport the people stealing jobs
>he recognizes that radical islam is a problem that wont just go away if we pretend its not real
>he wants to do something about our shit tier trade deals with every country
>he wants to attempt to bring jobs back to America, maybe its not possible but no one else even says this ever
>he puts America before the rest of the world, unlike every other candidate
>he has his own genuine opinions that wernt paid for, unlike every other candidate
please refute these and give us a better choice
>>67629177
>starting to realize liberals really are retarded and only care about how to not be bullied by fellow patriots
>>67629294
Reasons people like Trump
>The Wall
Curtail illegal immigration to this country
>Against free trade
protectionisr tariffs, anti NAFTA anti TPP
>bring back overseas capital
repatriation of money/reducing corporate inversion
>bring back manufacturing jobs
Ties into the above three combined
>>67629294
We've had a lot to do with Trump's success, man. Most importantly, we rigged the early polling that made it socially acceptable to vote for Trump. For it to become socially acceptable was a huge part in his emergence. Think what you want but /pol/ is an important force. We are the only true revolutionaries. Sandersism is a product of cradle to grave subversion from media and education. /pol/ is for people who lack herd instinct and don't care whether they are liked or not.
>>67625205
Fuck you, and your stupid fucking questions.
NO ONE GIVES A FUCK ABOUT POLICIES.
Trump is going to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN and BUILD A WALL.
If you don't fucking like that, why don't you fuck off to Cuckland where you can suck all the rapefugee cock you want, you unAmerican asshole?
>>67629540
Once again
I'm not like you, I don't need validation from my "peers"
>>67629294
Also if you arnt aware of how much pol has influenced the online polls and the creation of dank trump means that spread elsewhere you need to lurk moar
>>67625205
Read Scott Adam's latest entry
also explains why Rand lost so early
>>67629573
But the problem is that he thinks that lowering the taxes will somehow increase the amount of money America has. He thinks that lowering the taxes means that America can spend more money on stuff like military and other areas.
>put up stricter laws on tax evasion.
And he of all people should know how crafty they can get with tax evasion so he will have a big upphil battle.
>>67625205
He's the strongest against migrants.
I think you'll find its a trend around the world right now that people want their borders closed.
Afd is doing really well in germany as well, and what from I read they'd allow gunfire used against rapefugees to keep them out.
This is all we as a people care about, staying safe and getting that middle eastern scum out.
Trump does the job so he is well liked.
How is this hard to understand?
>>67629631
You are an insolent little shill OP. We've been generous enough to answer your questions better than you ever could have and still you whine and moan as if you had ignored the opinions you came after in the first place.
>>67629693
Why don't you explain your position then? I'm beginning to think you support Shillary but maybe you are that stupid.
I like trump's attitude. I can relate to him. He's a great bully and can show people who's boss. Puts niggers in their place. Good man.
>>67629512
>The wall we have is as effective as it can possibly be
What a silly thing to say. It's cheap, short, rusty and weakly guarded. Whether you believe in open borders or not, it's impossible to deny that the wall could be stronger.
>>67629578
Defend what exactly?
My opinion... To you? Some random on 4chinz?
Lol, nah, I don't feel the need to do that.
>>67629512
>>Who is going to pay for it? How much is it going to cost?
About $13 billion + extra 2-3 billion a year for maintenance and extra manpower, accounting for government waste, which is going to be paid for by reducing the $58 billion trade deficit we have with Mexico.
https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c2010.html
Without any meme replies. Would there be any advantages to us if a wall is ever built?
>>67629800
why did you even come here? i just explained everything you wanted to know, and the fact that you have nothing to say about any of it shows how little you really know..
>>67629693
>>67629693
>im gonna go on pol and talk about trump lol
>I can't believe they'd vote for him!
>They're SO STUPID
>I bet they'll be hanging on my every word once they realize their mistake
>God damn I love it John kasich
>his great river can split my Ohioan valley any day
>>67627020
Go get em tiger.
Got the shills running for the hills
>>67629829
>which is going to be paid for by reducing the $58 billion trade deficit we have with Mexico.
And what does the trade deficit have to do with how much money Mexico has? What does a trade deficit have to do with Mexico aggreing to pay for the wall (which again they won't)
>>67629840
Yes.
You can't go into America and be ''supressed by them raysizt mehn''.
/pol/ is pro-Trump because they're contrarian, not a single good counterpoint towards OP lmao this is pathetic
I bet that if Trump wins this board will become more left wing from simple contrarianism
>>67629800
Ok time to sage this faggot.
You're EXACTLY the type of person who would have time to interrupt a Trump rally instead of making america great again.
Fuck you. Go back to mom's bed, pussy.
>>67629512
>how much will it cost?
The Wall: 10b
Border patrol: 40b
Preserving the culture of America: Priceless
Also saving money by not taking in 750k welfare recipients yearly.
>>67629575
>His policy on the wall is effective as our current wall is absolute shit and doesn't cover ground hardly at all.
But now you're saying he would only build a wall... Where we currently have a wall? Do you see how fucking retarded that is? Did you also know that there are currently more Mexicans leaving the US than there are entering? I wouldn't expect a Trump supporter to be burdened by things like facts and objective reality, though.
>>67629840
Wall + legalizing weed (medically on the federal level and most likely completely on the state level) would go a long way to getting rid of gang violence on the border states.
>>67629800
I hope you're sitting there laughing at how you owned some 4chan trolls today, just remember how little substance you brought to this discussion when we take our country back
This right here is what we want guys! We want to expose the non trump supporters for not knowing shit about anything
>>67625205
>His policies aren't really that great when you look at them
Yeah, letting unlimited brown people into your country doesnt make wages drop like a rock
What tthe fuck are you retards smoking
>>67629512
>The wall we have is as effective as it can possibly be
Except it is poorly guarded, in poor condition, and fails to cover its border entirely even counting natural barriers.
Who gives a fuck is people with xenophobic tendencies support this? A progressive tax appeals to literal communists, that doesn't mean that's the only group it appeals to and doesn't mean its a bad idea immediately.
>Can somebody explain how this man is a viable candidate?
That's simple.
He's running for president and has more delegates than any of the other candidates.
Why are you so stupid that you need this explained?
>>67629512
'educated' people that don't vote for Trump ought to be fucking ashamed of themselves
>>67629361
-Whenever the globalists champion some new trade deal the most important question should be "How does this directly benefit the individual American". GDP per capita doesn't mean shit, how much more the elites can be getting can mitigate the average diffused across the rest of the populace. Singapore's GDP per capita is ranked 3rd in the world, yet has one of the greatest gaps between rich and poor in the world.
Hillary flip flops harder than Kerry ever did. She was for TPPA before she was against it. She was for NAFTA before she was against it. She'll be for whatever future trade deal is being made if she takes office unless it's close to election season in which case "lol I don't give a fuck". Unless a trade deal has empirical evidence to support directly improving the lives and income of a majority of Americans affected by the trade deal, they can fuck off.
>>67629463
I can't imagine that Trump is literally going to make a brick and mortar wall across the border with China. I might be wrong and he does plan to have a physical wall but just vastly increasing the manpower, arresting powers and technology of our border security seems more efficient than just a physical wall. Like >>67629575 noted in his quote.
>>67629540
I can't stand people in my generation who behave like that. "I hate (or self-deprecate) myself but I think I'm better than everyone else". Anyway why are you niggers even trying to argue with him, he's baitmaster extraordinarii or a truly euphoric liberal.
>>67629840
Might galvanize you guys to put your own wall up in the South. Make more economic/security deals with the Chinese in revenge.
>>67629988
>/pol/ is pro-Trump because they're contrarian
No we fucking aren't.
>>67630030
just remember the video with the bernie cucks all teaming up on the flannel shirt trump guy, by simply asking for any rebutal the liberal is forced into a corner and loses hope
Trump is the only candidate who even MENTIONS h1b abuse.
That's reason enough to vote for him
>>67630127
fuck off straya this doesn't concern you
>>67630024
Yes, the cartels/border gangs would probably lose a lot of influence if a wall is built, if the wall and border patrol actually work. Because Americans really love our drugs not being able to get them in would be something really good for both countries.
Sorry but did they call Mizzou yet? Or is there seriously going to be a recount?
>>67630113
>'educated' people that don't vote for Trump ought to be fucking ashamed of themselves
THIS.
Except, you have to remember, what passes for "education" these days is just libcuck rantings and SJW leftist ravings.
You know your "education" system is fucked up when the people who DIDN'T take part in it are the only ones remaining who can think critically.
Stop conversing with this OP. You can't change his mind. You're just wasting your time.
>>67630178
Yes it does.
>>67630095
Because they are the ONLY people who support it, and it is a stupid fucking idea. Is Trump going to magically eliminate corruption and bribery among border patrol agents as well?
>>67629512
I love this "uneducated voters are bad" meme.
You leftist shitsuckers don't have a problem with uneducated voters when you spend your entire campaign pandering to illegals and niggers. Then you act surprised that lower-class whites would rather vote Republican instead of voting for the party that openly despises them.
>>67630178
Shut up. He has a point.
We strongly believe /pol/'s redpill will survive Trump.
Trump might be a hyposthasis now... he might be an incarnation, but he is not the ultimate red-pill and we all know that. His limits are known... Instead, /pol/'s limits aren't.
We, at /pol/, are always ready for somebody, however revered and praised, to reveal himself as the ultimate puppet of an unknown master.
So stay aware /pol/. Be always aware.
>>67630005
>But now you're saying he would only build a wall... Where we currently have a wall?
Improve the current wall and extend it to areas where there is no wall and also no natural barriers. Where is this retarded?
>Did you also know that there are currently more Mexicans leaving the US than there are entering? I wouldn't expect a Trump supporter to be burdened by things like facts and objective reality, though.
Who gives a damn about whether we have Mexican immigrants or not. They can go to whatever country they like. What matters is doing it legally or not. I wouldn't want Mexico or America burdened by the costs of illegal immigrants economically but at the same time I care for the welfare of the immigrants themselves.
>>67625205
Im out of here, 8/10 bait for making me try to argue with a troll.
You're a limp wristed bitch with no real opinions, people like you never vote anyway and thats why you're fucked
>>67630127
'straya dropping the bantz as per usual
>>67630116
Of course Trump won't use brick and mortar, he will have to use cement blocks.
And if you don't think he wants a physical wall then what do you think the following quotes mean
>It's easy to build a wall, I'm a great buildier so I can build it
>The wall just got 10 ft higher
>>67630116
>why are you encouraging him
It's mildly entertaining, and I'm tired of rereading my biochem exam prep stuff
>>67630263
All the "educated" rhetoric is just masturbation.
>me smart because me no voting for drumpf
It's the path of least resistance for idiots.
>>67625205
I used to be against him because how the fuck can you trust a billionaire when you yourself are poor - lower middle class with dim prospects because the job situation sucks and also other things. But I saw him speaking out against the TPP and he's absolutely right about that. That bozo Obuimmer is supporting as are all the Repubs in Congress. He right and he right about what NAFTA did. Those trade agreements moved jobs overseas leading to today's situation.
Bernie is playing the blame white people game so fuck him. I hope he drops dead from a heart attack. He's just an old hypocrite.
>>67630240
Pedro you of all people should know that the cartels are to smart and powerful to let something like a wall stop them. You have a wall on your southern boarder and look how much good that is doing you.
>>67630285
>Is Trump going to magically eliminate corruption and bribery among border patrol agents as well?
Don't you fucking listen to a damn thing? Trump's going to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.
What fucking more do you want?!
>>67630313
Go back to the Parthenon and fuck your sister, Augustus
>>67630030
Remember who you voted for when it turns to shit again.
I don't think it's wise to vote in a real estate mogul 10 years after his kind nearly crashed the economy, but that's just me.
Anyways, it's been good guys, but I need sleep.
I didn't respond to many of you but I did read everything here. I do see where your coming from, those coherent enough to explain themselves anyway but I still disagree.
Thank you for your time, strangers.
>>67630308
You tried. We listened. Tomorrow will be another libtard.
>>67628439
Fracking is a necessary evil at this point because we still need energy, and coming with our own means of energy will drive the prices down.
Kill the environmental protection agency. Please kill them. They are nothing but economic terrorists. They lobby everything so nothing productive gets done. You cant appease them. Nuclear energy, the safest and most efficient form of energy we have, will never pass as long as those fucks breathe.
Build wall, keep out illegals. Punish criminals.
Trumps not perfect, but he is a step toward making america less of a shit hole
>>67629730
He is mostly has this "its ok if its small but the cash is constantly collected" kind of mentality like what the chinks do when they business. Also, you will never know what will be the results if it havent been tried yet
>>67630377
Hey guess what Sanders is speaking against the TPP and NAFTA as well.
>Bernie is playing the blame white people game so fuck him. I
As opposed to Trump who playing the blame everyone but us game?
>>67630296
literally worse than legion
what can be expect from abo brains though
>>67629248
You sound like a total fucking faggot
>>67630389
I'm trying to stay positive my man. Let me dream for once.
>>67630424
>I read the thread
>I disagree still
You want a congratulatory handjob? Because I'll do it if there's a chanxe of return business.
>>67630424
The real estate moguls didn't crash the economy, the banks that were encouraging amateur speculation did that.
>>67630424
Once again zero offense. Have fun fapping to Chelsea Clinton
>>67630285
>Because they are the ONLY people who support it
Is there any evidence of this or are you just lumping all people who support it as xenophobic?
>and it is a stupid fucking idea
You keep saying that and yet can't defend such a statement well.
>Is Trump going to magically eliminate corruption and bribery among border patrol agents as well?
Very doubtful but when you expand upon a part of the government many changes do happen. Corruption is still very much possible.
>>67630290
When did I say anything about being a leftist? There are plenty of educated conservatives, but they're not voting for Trump. Uneducated voters are fucking awful because they're easily swayed and driven by emotion, regardless of ideology.
>To me it seems his main method of gaining support is through evoking strong emotion.
There is a sense of irony here that seems to evade the awareness of the Dems and the "First <underprivileged class> President" depth of the majority of their supporters.
They're literally voting for the candidate that they think will give them the most Facebook likes.
>>67630548
>fapping to Chelsea Clinton
She's a real piece, Isn't she? Making my cords tight just thinking about her
>>67630522
Dream what? Of actually receiving your weekly Moneygram from your whore wife who is fucking niggers and tourists in New Orleans?
>>67630424
>tfw this faggot OP didn't respond to any of your posts where you thoroughly answered his naive question
>>67630478
>what can be expect from abo brains though
At least we don't have Mad Cow Disease.
>>67630457
If it wasen't for the environmental protection agency then you people would still be burning car batteris.
>>67630543
They might have had a hand in it, with the housing bubble and all.
>>67625205
he is a born leader and people are falling in line
he makes me feel like a proud american and i aint even american lol..that is how ace he is.
>>67630654
Hnnghhhhh
>>67630471
He said that white people can't be poor. I hope he dies. That's a goddamn lie and he should be struck down for that. That's gross insensitivity and pandering of the worst sort. A politician is a politician is a politician. They LIE. Trump at least isn't a professional lying politician like that old fool Sanders is. He's a hypocrite.
>>67630610
Please, the only "educated conservatives" who aren't voting for trump are nothing but complete shills who are either too religious to function or need more corporate cock in their mouth.
Trump talks against h1b abuse which is more than anyone in the conservative establishment has ever done.
H1b abuse is the biggest threat to educated americans that exists. Full Stop.
Conservatives destroyed this country with their globalist garbage. It's time for nationalists to actually fix things unlike you country hating psychopaths.
>>67629950
Because by reducing that deficit from a new trade agreement, or protective tariffs in the meantime, and getting tax revenue back from companies that make things in Mexico and sell to us instead of making the damn things here, it would be in effect having Mexico pay for the damn wall from the income we lose overall from the trade deficit.
Saying that Mexico will pay for the wall makes for a excellent sound byte and is not to be taken literally.
Then again, it is stupid of me to expect a Swede to understand how government money is created from trade and not having the average worker be taxed to death.
>>67630729
>Trump at least isn't a professional lying politician
>he's a professional lying businessman
>>67630701
did you just step out the 90s? retarded in more than one way
>>67630389
If illegals are deported and a wall is built the flow of drugs will be considerably diminshed.
It would take more effort than it's worth, and the prices would skyrocket prompting junkies to buy the legal shit instead which would be just as expensive except more safe.
>>67630729
>That's a goddamn lie and he should be struck down for that
And yet you still support Trump after saying that? Are you not aware of your double standard at work here
>>67630708
The EPA has literally caused more environmental harm than any private organization.
You can trace every ecological disaster in the last few decades to EPA incompetence. They're in dire need of reform or outright destruction in favor of something better.
>>67630708
Im not saying throw environmental protection ideas out the window.
They are just too radical in their ideals and impeed all sorts of progress. You can't get anything done with lobbyist worshipping squirrels
>>67628263
Look at his policies, look at the policies of other candidates. His policies make more sense. Breaking down monopolies and therefore allowing competition by opening state-restrictions on health care makes far more sense than the rest of the proposals.
He causes shit storms and people start informing themselves about Trump instead of just relying on the media. I bet you almost noone read the policies of Cruz, Rubio or Kasich. The whole thing about racist, sexist has been debunked over and over again and since people against him rely on these cheap but wrong arguments, there isn't much in Trumps way. If you want to ask questions, head over to /r/AskTrumpSupporters and annoy reddit with the same questions over and over again.
>>67629294
> "I don't agree with him, why do you?"
Can you just say on which parts you don't agree with him? Because citing his entire website is too much.
> I just think I'm better by comparison to most
Everyone thinks they are above average. Every edgy kid thinks he figured out the whole world, then some years later he grows a little and again thinks he figured it all out. It's simple. Make sure you actually know shit and be specific and concrete.
>>67629693
If people would seek validation, they would seek it in clubs or forums like anyone else. Ever wondered why people clean up 2 hours after the summer bbq, while others just make up a lame excuse? They patiently wait for their thank you and go to sleep happily. People care about their names, their identity and how they are remembered. in 4chan people don't have this motivation.
>>67630864
>junkies
>buy the legal shit instead
pill mills aren't exactly "legal" sources of narcos, Tiago.
>>67630902
Where the fuck do you find this Trump brand shit anyway?
>>67630613
It's like, for the first time, Repubs are really starting to show signs of not pandering to their supporters by name-dropping Jeebus at every opportunity.
Dems can stop namedropping Hitler at any time.
>>67630864
It's who you know there burritobro. I know people who actually don't buy from cartel people. Can you believe that? ? I know ridiculous but people in America actually make profit.. a word you may not understand
>>67630827
>not having the average worker be taxed to death
We pay 31% income tax in this country, how much do you pay?
>>67630729
>Trump at least isn't a professional lying politician like that old fool Sanders is
Trump supports faggot marriage but tries to avoid the question, he probably sucks a mean one himself
Trump U is a fucking mess, objective disaster and that fucker lied about how it was doing
Even Africa has a higher intelligence than that response
>>67625205
These threads are more than likely redditors who now realize bernie is #bernt and are hopping on the Trump train.
>diminishing defenses from anti-Trump crowd
>>67630862
>mfw you got me with that sick burn, bro
>>67630991
Nowhere
The stakes were not his
The water is not his, he just bought the water from a different company that allows you to put your own labels at their bottles.
The wine belongs to his son, but the company making the wine is not part of The Trump Organization.
>>67625205
>Have a large portion of an angry electorate
>Man comes along who has mastered the art of channeling the anger of said electorate
It's not that hard to get.
>>67629800
> Defend what exactly?
> My opinion... To you? Some random on
> 4chinz?
> Lol, nah, I don't feel the need to do that.
Level 1 troll asking for other people's time and effort, gets informed and offered arguments, but can't defend things he doesn't agree on.
I BETTER
> > 4chinz?
PLAY IT
> > Lol, nah,
KEWL
I don't know why you are here if you don't want to argue. You are just wasting everybody's time.
>>67631068
Kasich or Cruz supporter? Can't tell by the way of a huge establishment cock in your face
>>67630902
It was Sanders who said that whites couldn't be poor. That's him pandering to Blacks because they're voting enmass for Clinton. That's a goddamn lie and it's negating a lot of white people's lives. Combine that with his being a jew and the Banks and the media controlled by Jews you get a situation that will further marginalize white people. Diversity is a code word for anti-white. I'm sick of this shit.
>>67630570
Any reasonable person who looks at this plan beyond his empty rhetoric can see that "building a wall" will have no effect on immigration. Additionally, Mexican immigration (legal AND illegal) is now such that more people are leaving the US than there are entering. He hasn't explained how he's going to make Mexico pay for the wall when they have repeatedly said this will never happen. A rational person can see that this plan is expensive, unnecessary, but it has great emotional appeal to those who seek a scapegoat when confronted with challenges.
Every candidate a shit
>>67625205
He's the White Obama.
>>67627434
>will unite us culturally and increase our prosperity.
No, it won't. Multicultural societies result in lower trust.
>>67631248
>he still believes the trump is antiestablishment meme
>>67631250
And when Trump says that it's the Mexicans fault then he is pandering to Stormfront.
>Combine that with his being a jew and the Banks and the media controlled by Jews you get a situation that will further marginalize white people
Yet the media and banks do not support Sanders, the Jews are not helping the Jew.
>>67631326
Since when did he take up a super pac endorsement? Did I miss something?
>>67631067
>We pay 31% income tax in this country
What? Is your flag wrong?
Your rate on income over 75k is 56%, plus another 7%, and then you have some more shoved in the employer side, they pay like 35% of your pay in taxes, and on top of everything you pay like a 25% sales tax.
Like holy fuck, if you wanted to buy 50k worth of stuff in a year, you need to "earn" like 200k in untaxed income before your various personal income taxes, employer paid income taxes on your behalf, sales tax, etc....
>>67631342
Sanders had his chance. He made a huge mistake and he's not going to correct and if anything I'll bet he does more stuff to pander and he'll keep digging that hole that will alienate most reasonable white people. I shouldn't have to apologize for being a white male.
>>67631201
>>67631201
So where did this info come from?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_Ice
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_Winery
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_Steaks
And where did your info come from?
Seems like you were half-right about the steaks though. While the business did exist, a relabeling did occur recently.
>>67631266
>we shouldn't make stop lights because people won't stop at them
>we shouldn't put seat belts in vehicles because people won't use them
>we shouldn't make it illegal to talk on your phone while driving because everyone will do it anyway
>we shouldn't put up "pick up your dog's shit" signs with shitbags and garbage cans in the park because people won't give a damn
>we shouldn't put signs in the restrooms telling employees to wash their hands because they won't do it
>we should end the drug war because people still use drugs
>we should make cigarettes ridiculously expensive and take the extra money to pay for other socialist bullshit so people will stop smoking
>etc.
See where I'm going with this?
Now tell Daddy that he has to go back.
>>67629730
He's planning on doing a lot of housekeeping and downsizing in the government. We'll be doing things "under budget and ahead of schedule"
>>67625205
>Can somebody explain how this man is a viable candidate?
By saying "I paid Clinton", it's really that simple
https://youtu.be/G1MQNVxdNZA?t=2m
>>67631494
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnBruF3X9fo
In case TYT triggers you
>The Sharper Image closed the following year after filing for bankruptcy. The Trump Steaks trademark was canceled in December 2014 according to a trademark search through the United States Patent and Trademark Office
>Donald Trump no longer owns Trump Winery as he gave it to his son Eric.
>>67631699
No, the correct analogy is that we shouldn't spend billions of dollars to replace our current stop signs that serve their purpose as effectively as possible. Again, Trump panders to the uneducated because they lack critical thinking skills, which is pretty obvious thanks to you, Einstein.
>>67631883
>the current wall serves its purpose effectively
It does?
>>67631876
Wrong person? I was commenting that your effective tax rate on earned income to disposable income 75+% in Sweden.
>>67631266
>Any reasonable person who looks at this plan beyond his empty rhetoric can see that "building a wall" will have no effect on immigration.
Please tell me your metric for reasonable people and the study you used to grasp this info.
>Additionally, Mexican immigration (legal AND illegal) is now such that more people are leaving the US than there are entering.
I'm VERY curious how they get numbers on illegal immigrants. Either way, this is all fine and good. If that's the case there should be less reason to fight the idea of an improved wall.
>He hasn't explained how he's going to make Mexico pay for the wall when they have repeatedly said this will never happen.
He also hasn't expanded much on that "big beautiful gate" on that wall either so it's something we need to press him on.
>A rational person can see that this plan is expensive, unnecessary, but it has great emotional appeal to those who seek a scapegoat when confronted with challenges.
So I'm defacto irrational for thinking otherwise? How rude.
He argues that it would disrupt illegal trade, hamper illegal immigration, and his projected cost is pretty cheap as far as government projects go.
>>67632066
Yes wrong person indeed
So yes I might have looked at the wrong tax number, so I don't want to hear any Americans about crying how they are being taxed to death.
>>67631553
Oi cunt look at this post >>67631876
>>67632224
Both claims in the post you link to seems to be true.
Whats up?
>>67632333
My point was that the stake, water and wine at the table was not his. While you try to argue otherwise
>>67630918
Didn't they just dump a shitload of waste into the Colorado river last year and basically say, oops? Little foggy on the details.
>>67628796
That's Sanders as well.
>>67632001
Based on the fact that undocumented immigration has ceased, yes. Actually, increasing border security is somewhat counterproductive because normally, immigration tends to be circular (immigrants travel back and forth between US and Mexico to visit their families etc). However, when border security is increased, the immigrants north of the border are essentially trapped here.
>>67632070
I'm assuming reasonable people understand things like logic and cost-benefit analysis. I can find the studies if you'd like. I do know that the lower rates of immigration have a lot to do with decreasing fertility rate in Mexico. You would think that we could allocate the billions of dollars that would be spent keeping the imaginary Mexicans out on things like rebuilding infrastructure, right? What logical explanation could there possibly be >>67632070
for spending BILLIONS of dollars on a problem that doesn't exist?
>>67632392
You didn't defend the water claim at all, the steaks at the table seem to be not his and a fuck up on his part, and the wine was his and became his son's. He was promoting his son's work at his rally. I started this conversation talking about "Trump brand shit". That wine is, indeed, Trump brand shit. So is the water.
>>67632468
It's not as much dump as it was more an accident. But even that can be blamed on the local goverment
>The maintenance was neccessary because local jurisdictions had previously refused Superfund money to fully remediate the regions' derelict mines due to a fear of lost tourism. Political pressure after the spill, led to Silverton accepting Superfund money
>>67632644
>He was promoting his son's work at his rally
But he was selling it as his own wine, he didn't say it was his son's wine.
As for the water claim I gave you a youtube link.
>>67632070
He can make all the arguments he wants, but a rational person usually verifies that these arguments are well-reasoned and supported by facts. Trump fails this test time and time again. Demagoguery is fine and dandy if you're naive enough to go for that kind of thing.
Trump's campaign will be won sheer, unadulterated spite.
There is a civil war in the left, liberals have forgotten what liberalism is. They've lost touch with the foundations that liberalism is built upon, free speech, freedom of the press, free markets, civil rights, democratic societies, modern liberals have set fire to these ideals in the name of social justice.
The far left has poisoned itself to liberals, because this new and disturbing trend that's been named SJW's have taken to attacking true liberalism as if it were conservatism.
Conservatives however, are far more in touch with the ideals of liberalism than the modern left. So where do the liberals gravitate to, if not those who will build a far more liberal society than the left?
The true liberals are realizing we need a strong hand to smack some sense into the left, we need someone to keep our side on its toes. That man is Trump. The man never backs down, he's always correct, he's always on the offensive, he's a fucking angry, snarling Rottweiler that walks like a man.
Can you imagine Bernie in a debate with trump? That stuttering old fuck trying to appear eloquent next to this bravado fueled machine waving his pendulous balls in his face? Christ, he can't even keep two entitled fat girls from shutting him down his rally mid-speech so they can bitch about people they didn't know getting shot.
Christ, Hillary? You really think the rational man is gonna vote Hillary? Are you a fucking idiot? She's might as well be a snake in a fucking pantsuit. You can't trust a word that falls out of her mouth. All Trump would need to do debating her would be "You say this now, but yesterday you said this, and the day before you said this. Why should anyone believe you?"
The left has gotten fat, weak, lazy and stupid. And Trump is the best soloution to whip them into shape. An enemy makes you strong.
>>67632644
Hey, aren't you that dude from those /v/ threads about cripple sex games?
>>67632880
>"You say this now, but yesterday you said this, and the day before you said this. Why should anyone believe you?"
http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/trump-vs.-trump--a-look-at-donald-trumps-evolving-positions-over-the-years-482986563581
>>67625205
>build wall cause "you have to go back"
>ban on muslim travel to us
>tax plan
>get along with russia
>revoke h1b visa cause "you have to go back"
>better trade deals
>healthcare reform
>"policies aren't that great"
Yes they are. MAGA
>>67632880
>You say this now, but yesterday you said this, and the day before you said this. Why should anyone believe you
AND PEOPLE ARE DOING THE EXACT SAME THING TO TRUMP
BUT THE FUCKER IS TO THICK TO GET IT.
>>67633081
>>67633134
Trump has changed his positions, it's true but his supporters aren't backing him for his consistency. You genuinely think anyone believes the Great Wall of Trump is going to have a single brick laid?
No, they're voting for him because the left has become incompetent and the supporters of the left know it.
>>67632624
>I can find the studies if you'd like.
The studies that people who understand "things like logic and cost-benefit analysis" are the people that think building a wall will have no effect on immigration?
Please do provide. Make sure there are no "reasonable people" who disagree.
Studies that building a wall does not stop immigration at all? Please do provide also.
>You would think that we could allocate the billions of dollars that would be spent keeping the imaginary Mexicans out on things like rebuilding infrastructure, right?
I like how you went to "there are less doing this" to "they are imaginary and the problem doesn't exist. You're literally refuting yourself now. It's disingenuous to change your view so much in the same goddamn post.
The cost of illegal immigration is arguable, yes, but a wall is a long term investment.
>>67632733
He had it at his table and had his last name on it. Why would he say it is his or it is his son's?
>youtube link
Sorry but TYT does, in fact, trigger me. Please cite.
>>67631266
>"building a wall" will have no effect on immigration.
Works for Israel.
>more people are leaving the US than there are entering.
All the illegals need to go home. All.
> He hasn't explained how he's going to make Mexico pay for the wall
Yes he has. Go to his fucking web site. It is not our responsibility to explain simple shit to you. If you wish to be ill informed, go spout your shit on reddit.
> A rational person can see that this plan is expensive,
A wall is vastly cheaper than gibsmedats for illegals.
>>67630610
>When did I say anything about being a leftist?
>>67632624
>increasing border security is somewhat counterproductive
>illegal immigration is a problem that doesn't exist
Back to the oven, Reddit shill.
>>67626158
Fuck you. You should have let this troll keep talking to the /pol/ wall.
>>67633294
>The stakes on the table were from bush brothers
>The water came from this company.
And about that company
>All these packages are available in the Village Springs label or with your own private label. Village Springs bottles private labels for various convenience stores, grocery stores, and has many distributors that offer home delivery. Village Springs preserves the heritage and personality of the business. The springs are still used as a water supply for the Village of South Willington and Village Springs still remains family owned and operated.
Source: http://www.villagespringswater.com/contents.php?subaction=showfull&id=1266600034&archive=&start_from=&ucat=&
As for the wine
> Trump Winery is a registered trade name of Eric Trump Wine Manufacturing LLC, which is not owned, managed or affiliated with Donald J. Trump, The Trump Organization or any of their affiliates.
http://www.trumpwinery.com/legal/
Trump happened basically because of a perfect storm that riled up the white trash portions of the country, who happen to be a huge part of the population. Fox News has been getting their base angry for decades now. This is I think the biggest reason trump happened. And it made the poor white trash racists angry as fuck that a black man won the presidency not once but twice. And again Fox News was there the whole time telling their viewers that no one respects America on the international stage anymore because he's "weak". That they provided no evidence of this doesn't really matter because white trash believes what Fox News says.
And now they think being a loud-mouthed asshole is a great quality in a president. It's hilarious seeing Fox News flip their shit over trump and the state of the Republican Party when they're the main reason things ended up this way. Playing on people's fears and prejudices seems to have backfired on them lol. Makes me sorta happy seeing an institution that exists for the sole reason of promoting the right-wing agenda help to irreparably damage their movement, but at the same time I feel like our way of life is seriously threatened by a potential Donald trump presidency.
>>67633294
I was referring to the studies on undocumented immigration. I'm typing on my phone, hard to organize responses. I meant that reasonable people as I've defined it can look at this plan and see that it is moronic.
Yes, the levels of illegal immigration as Trump has portrayed with his rhetoric is imaginary and does not exist. The reality of the situation is that net immigration is out of the US and into Mexico, a trend that began in the 80's when border security was heavily increased. I haven't refuted anything.
>>67633499
>uses logic to form an opinion based on documented immigration trends
>FUCK OFF SHILL
>>67633819
>Trump Wine
Already addressed.
>Water
?
Where is the part where this is linked to Trump?
>>67634011
>I meant that reasonable people as I've defined it can look at this plan and see that it is moronic.
And I'm calling you out on your empty, astroturfing rhetoric.
>Yes, the levels of illegal immigration as Trump has portrayed with his rhetoric is imaginary and does not exist. The reality of the situation is that net immigration is out of the US and into Mexico, a trend that began in the 80's when border security was heavily increased.
Cool, so how about those 11.3 million come 2014 that still exist? Are they a non-issue? Do they not exist? Does the immigration of others out of the country make them not an economic burden?
>>67625205
Yes, of course that's his main method of evoking support.
Because people don't understand politics and they're fucking stupid. If he calmly explained the statistics about immigration and welfare, calmly explained that america needs to manufacture things in order to have jobs, etc.. do you think anyone would listen?
People are emotional creatures and americans in particular have been trained to react emotionally for literally years (ie, through advertising. Drinking a coke is an emotional decision, for example).
Don't think that just because he garners support in this way, that this is how he will be as a president. He absolutely is best candidate in the field.
As for Bernie - he doesn't understand economy. You can tell this because he believes in the $15 minimum wage meme. You don't want yet another president who doesn't get the economy.
>>67633940
>our way of life is threatened by the Trump presidency
No. YOUR way of life is threatened. Good luck getting the Trump administration to subsidize your therapy/whoremoans/srs. Trump will also cut the Dept. of Ed which, combined with the cultural paradigm shift will weaken the critical theory indoctrination which led to the tragic state of your mentality originally.
>>67634567
>Where is the part where this is linked to Trump?
See this picture >>67630902
It's right there on the table. The label I posted was on the boxes
He's a meme candidate. People only support him because he's the dankest new meme.
>>67634682
Yes...?
>post image
>claim part of it is not as it seems
>mention what it claims to be and what you're saying it is
>don't provide proof that it is
>refer to image again
There seems to be a mix up.
>>67625205
It is called knowing your audience.The proceed with rhetoric to appeal to said audience to effect there decision toward yours Trump is just really good at it
>>67634636
Yeah the government hasn't paid a single penny toward my transition. Nice try though?
A Trump presidency would further divide the country (by legitimizing and maybe even glorifying hatred), and make us look like asshats to the international community. Plus he's a moron that will likely start a war over someone making fun of his hair or hands or something.
>>67634842
Then let us clear up this mix up. After some republican talked shit about Trumps stake, magazine and Vodka Trump held a winning spech and showed all the products as soon on that table. He claimed that was his but info has shown that the water is not his, the steaks is not his or the wine.
So where is the mix up?
>>67634976
>So where is the mix up?
see
>>67634842
>>67634567
Do you just have retard-level reading comprehension skills or what? Based on immigration trends, it does not make logical sense to spend tens of billions of dollars to build a wall when we already have one. Anyone employing REASON (I.e. a reasonable person) knows that it does not make sense to spend money on something which will return no benefit.
Amd guess what happens when you build that big, beautiful wall? The undocumented immigrants north of the border are more likely to remain in the United States. Please don't tell me you think we should deport them all. Then I'll know that you really are retarded after all.
>>67629512
0k senpai.
>>67629800
So were supposed to defend our opinion to "some random on 4chinz" but you dont have to defend yout opinion to "some random on 4chinz"
>>67633940
>it made the poor white trash racists angry as fuck that a black man won the presidency not once but twice
It made a lot of poor white citizens who aren't racist angry as fuck that electing Obama twice resulted in a lower-quality job market and a tax penalty for refusing to buy junk insurance, but please, do go on with your race boogeyman.
>>67635112
>we already have one.
Doesn't mean it works.
