Are we witnessing the death of the Republican Party?
>>67620713
I fucking hope so. They've gone so far to the right since Reagan that a fascist who was the grandson of a conman, inherited his KKK-member father's money, and has had multiple failed businesses to his name is considered an acceptable candidate by their base because he had a TV show once.
>>67620713
Hopefully both party's die, they are both cancer and divide our country.
>>67620713
It's a rebirth.
Yeah its finished.
Its dying an embarrassing and horrible death.
Seriously, it's laughable. They are desperate to save it, but that's not happening.
>>67621895
>They've gone so far to the right since Reagan
kek
They turned into red-flavored Democrats.
>>67620713
God I hope so.
They say this every election year
>>67620713
Well it seems they gonna full retard with Jeb or Paul Ryan, shit's gonna fuck them in the ass if they do it.
>>67620713
If the RNC doesn't select Trump as their nominee and he has majority and he runs independantly like he said he was. Yes the Republican Party will split. There will be a smaller dying half still called republicans who will over the course of a decade feed into whatever the new party is in order to compete with the Dems.
Now if for some reason the Dems split at that point then we might actually be able to support a 4 party system with some longevity.
>>67622116
Christ.
They've been taken over by Jews.
What's wrong with you people you can't see this.
That's just what Jews do. Take over organizations and parasite off them.
>>67621895
>facist
>I don't know what words mean
Go donate so more money to comrade Sanders you fucking retard
>>67622413
People from both parties are getting tired of being ignored. If this turns into a Cruz/Clinton election, that will bring the parties closer to collapsing.
>>67620713
No, you're witnessing the birth of the Trumpublican Party.
>>67620713
no more republicans or democrats
soon the age of nationalism versus globalism beings
>>67620713
If we go to a brokered convention, it will be a shit show.
Honestly, the GOP was fractured with the rise of the faggot tea party
>>67622749
That would be a good thing. A very good thing.
>>67621895
So salty. Evangelical faggot or communist faggot?
>>67620713
It could happen if the Republican establishment is stupid enough to steal the nomination from Trump using bullshit rules. That's the worst case scenario, resulting in a complete disaster in the elections.
But I don't think it's going to happen. I think they're just going to let Trump win the nomination at this point and undermine him in the general. It might cost them a few seats in Congress and maybe their majority but it'd be a setback and they'd be able to say "Look we tried Trump it didn't work. Vote for Jeb pls. pls."
Then again, the GOP has taken bad decisions and worse decisions this election cycle, so who knows.
>>67620713
It died with bush. Bush jr did dig it out shit and piss on it and thrown it on the street.
>>67622919
Well, I also dislike the idea of a Cruz-run theocracy, so I guess by your standards (read: Not Republican), I guess that makes me a commie.
>>67620713
More like a metamorphosis.
Old hat republicans are ineffective. Their inability to stop a single man is proof of this.
I can see a very similar party rising up that will be fiscally about the same as the GOP now but not nearly as hardball on social issues. They'll still push for states rights choosing marriage, abortion, etc etc but they won't go so far as "we'll ban it with the federal government" and polarize a large sect of the voter base that think the federal government trying to outright ban social issues is retarded.
Guys...what if the left pays us back for a Trump presidency by electing Kanye in 2020?
>>67620713
Something will replace it eventually. People won't always vote democrat because eventually a democrat will fuck up and start another war. Barack Obama is still continuing middle east wars BTW (nobody from either side mentions this)
Will republicans die? Yes. Will they be replaced? Yes. Rename it the conservative party and make the symbol a cross, not an elephant.
>>67621895
>and has had multiple failed businesses to his name
The fact that you use that as an insult goes to show you have zero fucking idea what you're talking about and would be unable to articulate your point beyond the level of detail of a news headline
Parties are a hindering any actual progress.
>>67623344
>but not nearly as hardball on social issues. They'll still push for states rights choosing marriage, abortion, etc etc
They'll be pro-social conservatism but "not really?" Yeah that will win the hearts and minds of voters.
>>67623202
Well shit. Then you a bush faggo or what? What's your fucking stance you autistic slum lord?
>>67623401
That sounds hilarious. Fund it.
>>67623401
what if trump schlongs them by making kanye his veep in 2016?
>>67620713
It hasn't really been alive since Dubya left. They've never really come to terms with his Presidency. Even their victories in the off-years stemmed partly from a backlash against him.
>>67623529
I meant more neutral on social conservatism. A lot of voters that I meet hate republican right now because they only know of their social issues.
>>67623556
Democrat. I already said that by any standard that considers "Not Republican" a commie, I am a fucking commie. Granted, that doesn't actually make me a communist, but still . . .
>>67621895
Reagan was a literal Hollywood liberal and union leader.
W failed at business and pretty much everything else leading to his Presidency. I guess like Perry you can say that Dubya didn't manage to bankrupt an Oil State.
So neither celebrity nor lack of business acumen are a stumbling point.
>>67622413
It will be a miracle if the United States can start having more than two parties one day.
>>67623615
We arent even sure we can meme Trump in to office yet. We can work on Kanye once we MAGA. Will be funny though, to make america great again and then hand it to a crazy black man just to see what happens
>>67623698
Yes, let's be like Germany and have our President decided by less then a 1/3rd of the population.
>>67623680
The GOP relies on that, because if they realized how badly their economic and foreign policies were fucking them over, they'd leave in a heartbeat.
So they HAVE to go heavy on the Jeebus to keep themselves a viable party. Gays and Abortion HAVE to be 2 of the 3 top problems facing the nation at all times.
Oh yeah, and FISCAL CONSERVATISM, because the Republicans have famously reduced the deficit, like all the time and totally not increased spending.
>>67623623
>Trump steals the nig nog vote from Democrats
>"Why are they voting against their own interest?"
Maybe it would wake the left up to how minorities actually view them.
>>67623748
Meme power has grown exponentially within the last 5 years. It already has the power to kill soon it will control all.
>>67623497
The fact that there are only two of them with any sort of legitimate path to the throne isn't helping much either.
>>67623940
No one in either party has done much of anything for the struggling working class in at least 40 years, if not longer.
The GOP is essentially a coalition between rich people and religious people, and it's breaking down because the rich people don't actually want the politicians to follow through with "small government" when it hurts them, while the religious contigent in the population keeps getting smaller and more anxious about their own economic problems.
Of course, "small government" is also a meme. The GOP heads for the hills whenever the subject of entitlement reform is brought up because fucking with it would ruin them.
>>67623826
You act like 2 vague colors who don't even correctly represent their constituents properly is somehow better.
>>67623918
Boehner did actually flat line spending before the tea party sect kicked him to the curb, I agree with what you're saying but not all aspect of fiscal conservatism are bad.
>>67623826
Wrong.
Nothing changes. He still has to be electet by the majorety.
>>67624050
What does that have to do with meme power or nig nog votes?
>>67624055
>The GOP is essentially a coalition between rich people and religious people,
The problem lies with the fact that they've done plenty for the rich in the last 4 decades,
and they have done jack squat for the religious besides feed them heated rhetoric.
>>67621895
>has had multiple failed businesses to his name
>I don't know what chapter 11 is
Don't talk about things you don't understand son, it's embarrassing. Really sad.
>>67623344
So... libertarians then?
>>67624055
Best post in this thread.
>>67624169
Despite what Stormfront tells you, a lot of the working poor are black, and less concerned with Treyvon than with "Movin on up".
>>67623679
Was nothing wrong with Bushy, their problem is they can never undo the brainwashing about him that the left subjected the people to
There are literally people on /pol/ right now ffs that actually think he was a terrible president and the first things they point out when asked why is the exact same shit I saw plastered all over ABC/cnn/MSNBC/newspapers/etc 10 years ago
Breaking the indoctrination is one thing but peeling off several layers of Rhetoric and lies that lots of people were more or less raised on is a whole different ball game
>>67622116
The problem is that, in a two party system, the two parties end up split into internal factions.
On the republican side you have neocons, paleocons, neoconfederates, liberterians, and theocrats.
On the democratic side you have neoliberals, classical liberals, progressives, SJWs, social democrats, and socialists.
These factions are wildly different from each other and (in some cases) actually share more in common across the isle than they do with each other. It was only a matter of time before one of the parties lost control over its internal factions and Balkanized.
Expect to see a period of offshoot parties and lots of independent runs no matter what happens. Right now it's just the republican party, but contageon could spread to the democratic party easily if the Trump nomination is as messy as I think it's going to be at the convention.
>>67623682
You seriously autistic mother fucker. Follow how conversations work.
You claim butt hurt because the Emporer, peace be upon him, is destroying the"Republican party"
So it's either:
A. You're a dumb fuck Burn out trying to rustle jimmies.
B. Evangelical dumb fag who loves Cruz and uses the "Muh Republican Party"
Or
C. Who gives a shit what a godamned democratic thinks about the Republican Party.
Me: fuck them all. MAGA nigger
>>67624122
I exaggerated and yes, it's still a majority but less of the total population actually agree with the leader their electing.
>>67622213
they don't but okay ahmed
>>67624315
>Honestly thinking Dubya was a good leader.
It's like you've been retarded your whole life and your parent's have never shared the diagnosis with you.
>>67621895
Wew
>>67624345
Because before, the Republicans were at least reasonable and could be defeated in an argument. Trump is cruising on a wave of rabid insanity, and to his supporters, he cannot fail, only be failed. That is a very dangerous mindset that America as a whole cannot permit gaining any more power, or else it will completely destroy us.
>>67624352
that's called a plurality
>>67620713
It should die. In 2000 it turned into a Satanist cult.
>>67623940
>>67624593
That's fair, I agree with you.
>>67624573
You would not say this if the same effect was observed among your preferred candidate.
Feed on the fears of citizens
Lie continuously to keep them voting for you
Be confused when they try to elect a person you realize is insane because they're afraid of the things you fed into them
Yep, and they deserve it.
>>67624573
Is pretending that Supply-side economics isn't going to turn the USA into Mexico any better?
Is pretending that endless half-assed military aggression across the world is a viable foreign policy any better?
You'd prefer the abysmal failure of the Neocon era to trying SOMETHING different?
>>67624808
"The hardest part of riding the tiger is getting off of it"
>>67624573
People on the right are hyped about Trump like in 2008 people on the left we're hyped about Obama. Different destinations, same journey.
>>67624848
The thing about the neocons, supply-side economics, and half-assed aggression is that they were finally proving to be failures now. We could have had this election in the bag if it wasn't for that maniac Trump barging in and attracting the more extreme elements of the GOP.
>>67624912
Some of us are even the same people.
>>67624912
People still desire a leader who can CHANGE their fates.
Instead of two country clubs who use the other as an excuse for their inability to break the status quo.
>>67624573
So Obama 2.0?
I hated Bush fuck face Jr. But couldn't stand Obama, yet I think Obama has been better tha Bush and yet I'm voting Trump.
Google is your friend. Do yourself s fo sore and lookup these three things: straws man argument, logical fallacies, and layers to sue the liberal college worthless degree school cause I'm a fucking moron that won't go anywhere degree I got. You know, since Bernie is done ;)
Lick my conservative taint
>>67625011
"we" the Democrats or "we" the Republicans.
Because the GOP wasn't backing down from any of those policies.
>>67623202
>theocracy
you have no idea what that fucking means, do you?
There is not a single damn thing that Cruz wants to do that even remotely comes close to a theocracy. You Trumpets just parrot the same bullshit back and forth, don't you?
>>67624912
Same outcome. Watch.
>>67623940
i seriously don't know a single black person who likes kanye
>>67625118
My religion guys! Common, it's 2016 and you dumbfucks still believe in all that so believe in me. Halle-fucking-lullia
>>67625020
Can't say I blame you, my state already voted for Trump tonight, and he didn't need my vote (I only voted in state/local primaries) I may vote for him in the general election. I think a shake up would be good for the US.
>>67625236
Still looking for a specific policy that Cruz is proposing that translates into a theocracy.
Protip: There isn't a damn thing.
>>67625118
>There is not a single damn thing that Cruz wants to do that even remotely comes close to a theocracy.
Except put in a Supreme who breaks the court towards decisions base on "Jesus-Feels" rather than law or basic human rights.
And of course slavish dedication to the defense of "God's chosen".
And an even harder lean towards Texas educational standards.
But yeah, except for that.
>>67625215
This is objectively true. Kanye fans are mostly not black.
>>67625118
>Implying Trumpets don't want a theocracy for THE GOD EMPEROR OF MANKIND
>>67620713
It's already dead.
>>67625284
Making decisions based on what's best for the people who actually work in America instead of the shareholders who are skimming money of the "Global Economy" would be a refreshing change from the last 30 years.
>>67621895
>Trump
>far right
pick fewer than two
>>67625358
if he wants the black male vote maybe taylor swift would work
>>67625314
You mean the policies in which he gives the states the right to decide of various social issues?
Or maybe the part where he wasn't the one who said shit about God's chosen.
Or maybe the part where he wants to abolish the DoE and give the states more leeway in deciding their own damn curriculum?
Again, nothing, you Trumpfags are five IQ points from mental retardation
>>67624055
And, thinking more about the "small government" meme, it's essentially a well-developed ploy by the rich faction of the GOP to convince voters that the government spends most of its money on food stamps, Obamaphones, foreign aid, PBS, and generally worthless welfare programs for niggers. These programs are incredibly marginal parts of spending, but people believe it nevertheless and that helps push the Republican message.
The issue is that the Rich Republicans don't actually want these programs to go away because, as employers, they want to suppress the cost of labor, and government welfare essentially shifts the burden of compensation to the state and away from business. The great consequence of this system is that two "trenches" have been dug between people with very low incomes and people with very high incomes. In between, you have a total effective tax rate that's negligibly lower than what millionaires pay but you get fuck all from the government. The evangelical base of the GOP, however, has a lot of people who are stuck in no-man's land and they see absolutely nothing is being done by their benefactors to help them or at least lessen the support given to others, so they're beginning to turn against.
>>67625020
That's why Trump/Sanders would have been way more interesting than what we're going to get.
>>67625510
This.
Enforcing borders isn't considered "Far Right" anywhere, certainly not in Mexico where they enforce the shit out of their southern border.
>>67625312
Exterminating the gays
>>67625314
"Educational opportunity thrives on choice, local control, and ingenuity, all of which are squelched by the Department of Education (DoE). My Five for Freedom plan abolishes the DoE and ends federal overreach such as Common Core. We need to return education to those who know our students best: parents, teachers, communities, and states."
Ted Cruz, Jan 8, 2016
>>67620713
And the rebirth, the beautiful beautiful rebirth
>>67625312
Bases his entire campaign on his beliefs in a theocracy based government.
>prove to me the sky is blue
Naw nigger, your first, prove to me God is real.
If you can then I'm down with the Cruz.
>>67625630
if you're retarded enough to not delve deeper onto why that is the most retarded statement to come out of someones mouth then you have no business voting in the first place
Thread-related?
>>67625561
>You mean the policies in which he gives the states the right to decide of various social issues?
Yes, the individual States cannot freeform your basic human or civil rights. We settled that issue a long fucking time ago.
You belong to a powerful unified nation, not some shitty Balkan collective. Get the fuck over it already.
>>67625358
>>67625215
>>67624299
Going to be honest here know very little about popular Black political opinions outside of the obvious sterotypes you here from living in a ghetto if there is some sort of silent reasonable majority I sure as hell can't hear it.
>Dubya was one of my favorite presidents
>supposedly he wasn't "right" enough
>my face
If it means more guys like Dubya, I'm fine with that
>>67625679
Name a single issue which he blindly follows a religious stance.
Because if you ACTUALLY research his stances, it actually comes out to these two things:
- Less government
- States decide on social issues
You dont have to think god is real or not. I dont give a shit. But unless you want to put a liberal billionaire who has zero history of conservative policy, you vote Cruz
>>67625701
>Denying that Ted Cruz wants to exterminate the gays.
So he wants to kill gays based on fiscal policy? Less fudge packers = less struggling graphic designers?
>>67625463
That's why I voted for a funding that my state would spend $2 million a year toward offering grants for trade/vocational degrees. I'll consider voting Trump since my state can be wonky in elections and may consider voting for him.
>>67625017
that shows how little positions mean to you
the demographics of obama supporters pre-nomination compared to trump are on the opposite side of the equation.
obama: minorities, educated, young, liberal
trump: white, old, uneducated, conservative
>>67625561
>Or maybe the part where he wasn't the one who said shit about God's chosen.
Cruz has been going on about Israel passionately enough lately that you'd think he wanted to fuck Netenyahoo. It's not my fault you don't pay attention.
>>67625867
Except he wants to defund planned parenthood, even if it's paid by state funds... As a means of religious conviction.
>>67625740
What is wrong with rights of individual states? Do states not have their own populations with different needs/wants?
Cruz sets the standard as to what should be decided by states and what isnt. He limits the power of the federal government, and has the track record to prove that he will be consistent with his stances.
But youd prefer Trump a guy who flipflopped on immigration within 24 hours of the last debate. Bitch please
>>67621895
Reagan was a neocon. A first gen neocon, one of the anti-Stalinist leftists who became a 'conservative'.
He by no means should be considered a 'true conservative' after the Amnesty bullshit and FOPA to restrict ownership of full auto firearms.
>>67625314
That's still not a theocracy though.
Seriously look at the definition. Unless you're claiming Cruz is the religious leader of Christians (and if you are HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA) then it isn't a theocracy
>>67625861
W shouldn't be anyone's favorite President. He massively expanded the power of the federal government and welfare while simultaneously starting a war under false pretense and letting the Fed destroy the economy.
There really is something for everyone to hate.
>>67625867
>- States decide on social issues
Countries don't work like this.
They just do not.
You do not allow sub-regions to start making policy on basic national rights.
>>67624315
What do people (and a lot of Republicans) think Bush did wrong?
>Preemptive Wars that cost untold amounts of blood and treasure
>Destroyed Civil Liberties via Patriot Act/War on Terror
>Created Gitmo/Enforced Torture
>Mismanaged Katrina an a scale that made Obama's bungling of Healthcare.gov seem like like he forgot to close the refrigerator door after a midnight snack
>Turned a budget surplus into a deficit
>TARP
What did Bush accomplish that he thought was great but people in hindsight disliked or don't care about?
>Preemptive Wars that cost untold amounts of blood and treasure
>Patriot Act (Destroyed Civil Liberties)
>No Child Left Behind (Government mandates/Expansion of Federal Education policy)
>Medicare Part D Drug Plan (Expanded Government)
>Tax Cuts (Mostly not for classes of people currently voting Trump)
>TARP
What did Bush do that most GOP members actually still like?
>Appointed Roberts & Alito to the Supreme Court + Other Federal Court Appts
>Stem-cell research ban(?)
>Led Many States to pass Gay Marriage Bans leading up to his 2004 Re-election (Now invalid)
What did Bush try to do that was so reviled by both sides that he failed to ever get enacted?
>Privatize/Voucher Social Security before the Financial Collapse
>Enact Amnesty
He was so unpopular that he didn't even address the GOP nomination convention in person in 2008 or 2012, and it certainly was a yoke around Yeb's neck in 2015/2016.
>>67625962
He believes in protecting our allies. What's wrong with that?
>>67625869
kek
>>67625869
A guy who introduced him said it, not Cruz. Huh, So I guess that means ted introduced himself? Weird how you can be two people at once.
>>67626088
>He was so unpopular that he didn't even address the GOP nomination convention in person in 2008 or 2012
This.
When you are so toxic that you are disinvited to the convention you are the titular leader of, you are effectively shit.
>>67625991
I used to think like this, then I realized legalized segregation would still exist in several states today without the federal government intervening.
>>67625962
Really? Because MAYBE...MAYBE it's because that a conservative platform doesnt believe that the government should be directly involved in woman's health, and it shouldnt be. Want an abortion? Need meds? I dont give a flying fuck. Pay for it without tax dollars.
>>67626262
>mommy, why don't the poor people just buy better stuff?
>>67625742
yeah there is. it's basically, "we'd like schools that don't fucking suck, real job opportunities, no more drugs and gangs, and if you white ppl could stop pushing us out with gentrification bullshit that's cool too but no biggie if we get those jobs so we can live it up too."
and they also know that voting D gets them jack shit (and there's a deep sense of betrayal regarding Obama...they tried not to get their hopes up much, but he underwhelmed them even so), but voting R gets them even less.
it's the same shit as anyone else wants. poor blacks and poor whites get shit on by the establishment, and they get a racial wedge driven between them by that establishment so that they don't organize together. BLM is another one of those fucking wedges.
Cute, I kinda liked reading it
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/2/28/1490942/-Donald-Trump-is-the-candidate-the-Republicans-deserve
Good luck with your party faggots.
>>67625991
>Do states not have their own populations with different needs/wants?
So what's next, do Counties and Cities start enforcing the law based on their individual needs/wants?
Do we all put a flag in our yard and declare our yard New Petoria?
It's a stupid, divisive notion that weakens the strongest nation on earth.
>>67620713
If there's a brokered convention and they nominate Cruz Trump will probably run independent and crash the party with no survivors.
>>67626082
>THEY JUST DONT WORK
>SERIOUSLY GUISE THEY DONT
Funny because the constitution clearly outlines that the rights of the state must be protected. That is why it is a documents of LIMITS to the federal government.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/States'_rights
>>67626344
Or how about you dont have sex if you cant potentially pay for a child
common fucking sense. Not my problem if you make stupid fucking decisions
>>67626431
Yes, and your rights only go so far, as deliniated in the Constitution and ruled on by the Supreme Court.
Except the court doesn't give you what you feel you deserve, so you'll scream and kick your feet about it.
>>67626382
To imply that the state can be divided futher is an argument with no base
I see nothing about counties or cities in the constitution
>>67626405
this is the funniest fucking thing to me. this whole campaign has been about how trump is supposedly a hillary shill and is trying to get her nominated.
so what does the GOP do? it tries to broker a convention thatll lead to the party splitting in half for trump and the establishment which then guarantees hillary fucking winning.
fucking retarded. the gop has become hillary shills unknowingly
>>67621895
YOUR FUCKING WHILE MALE
>>67626431
Ah, I too remember the Holy Roman Empire.
>>67625867
>liberal billionaire
>doesn't have conservative stance
Now you
>I'm a democrat
>asking why you guys don't support a real conservative
Me
>what in the fuck point you trying to make
So why are you going rough all this effort stumping for Cruz if your a democrat?
>pure coincidence
>>67626538
I dont give a shit if weed is legal or gays can get married or whatever. Is it too hard to believe that the states can decide these things for themselves? Universal healthcare should be the same way. Hell, Ohio is exercising their rights by implementing a brand new education voucher system, and it's working beautifully
>>67626477
this is why the voting age is 18
>org that provides contraceptives
>defund it
>complain that people reproduce
>>67620713
it's just going back to what made it great. Trump is literally the perfect mix of issues for a national party.
The Bush cult, Romney, and McCain are the odd ones out
think Teddy Roosevelt, Eisenhower, etc. etc.
>>67626542
Seriously man, if you want to go live in some 3rd rate Balkan shithole, buy a plane ticket.
I'm sure they'd be grateful to have an immigrant who wasn't a dune coon.
>>67622116
This is what retards believe
>>67626603
Please point to when I said I was a democrat. I said no such thing. Either you have me confused with someone else or you're retarded.
>>67626082
Every state is not the fucking same in terms of demographics and cultures. Some things should be handled differently depending on the state. Gun control is a great example.
>>67625595
So much truth. It's funny red states tend to be welfare states.
>>67626477
You probably shouldn't work either, you may potentially catch an infectious disease or become injured, and it's be pretty fucking stupid to try to make money that'd be way less then those hospital bills I'd be paying.
holy fuck the elephant upside down is a swan
>>67626212
This is how it's always worked. There's really no explicit guarantee that a state government has to be a just, upright democracy, and even in the framers time "state's rights" was used as an argument to ignore nationally-popular but regionally-hated laws and court rulings.
>>67626705
Im not complaining about people reproducing. If you could read, I quite literally said that it's not my fucking problem. It's unnecessary spending on idiots who have children when, for their own sake, they shouldnt
>>67626382
>The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.[1]
Under our system of laws everything is legal unless stated to be illegal.
>>67626791
>Every state is not the fucking same in terms of demographics and cultures
Now you sound like the Europeans who allow their Immigrants to create "little Syria" inside their borders because their culture and demographics are "just different".
It's a shitty idea for them, and shitty for us, for the same reasons.
>>67626854
That argument is so funny.
>No, Eli I don't want to use your cotton gin. We've always picked it this way.
>>67627003
In spite of your wishful thinking to the contrary, this has all been extensively argued by greater Constitutional scholars than you and I, for many, many years.
I get that you don't like the results, but that doesn't invalidate them.
>>67626735
Is this the part were you turn your baseless argument into a retarded attempt of an insult? Giving states the right to decide things for their own population is pretty much exactly what the constitution was created for.
>>67626758
>being pro-immigration, pro-social security, pro-amnesty, pro-"free trade" are conservative policies
The whole shit has been sliding left for decades ever since the 1940's.
>>67627125
Again, this has been extensively hashed over by generations of educated fellows who have dedicated their entire educations to settling this question.
And I see that you don't like the final score, but that's the breaks.
>>67627013
I said some things meaning some social issues, not every single one. Some things the fed should take care, some things should be left to the states.
>>67627276
Now you are engaging in hair-splitting.
>>67626798
False equivelancy much? Let's take a look at the scenarios here:
If you work, the man purpose is to earn money
The worst thing that happens? You get hurt or sick. But you still earn money, which is NECESSARY TO LIVE.
Have sex:
Purpose? Most likely to feel good for an hour or so. Worst case? Have an unwanted kid, stuck with the expenses of pregnancy/fatherhood. NONE OF THIS WAS NECESSARY IN THE FIRST PLACE.
So how about dont fuck if you arent prepared to deal with the consequences.
>>67620713
No. What we are seeing is the power struggle between the establishment and the people, and the people are taking back the GOP name.
>>67627233
And here you are, comparing a free-market republic to a historical example of a shitty communist empire that's weak-ass system and infrastructure couldnt support a family of five.
>>67627109
My point is that the states have the power to incorporate cities and counties and give them a limited power to legislate. The states are near-sovereigns and can do anything that isn't barred by the constitution. The people can do anything that isn't barred by the federal government or the state government within their respective jurisdictions, so in a weak sense every man is a master of himself and his property.
This is not a partisan point. Everyone agrees that this is how the law operates.
>>67626781
I admit you stand corrected. I confused you with original OP faggot. Now. Back onto you claiming Rafeal Eduardo Candian Cruz. Who's is actually Protostant BTW. Is not basing his campaign on religion......please discuss
>>67627199
pro-immigration = cheap labor = conservative
pro-amnesty = legal cheap labor = conservative
pro-'free trade' = benefits corporations over people = conservative principle
Social Security they tried to kill by privatizing it
If we were sliding to the left like you claim, socialism wouldn't be a dirty word.
>>67620713
Not if they cooperate with Trump. Then we're just returning the Republican party back to a place of respectability.
>>67627199
pro-immigration and pro-amnesty are the same thing firstly. There hasn't been an anti-amnesty "conservative" President since Eisenhower. There's just too much profit in it.
Free Trade has been a facet of the Right since at least Eisenhower.
I'll grant you that the social safety net is the work of EEBUL LIBRELS.
The Right is not a "Conservative" movement in any way shape or form. It's a radical attempt to dump the country's prosperity into a few clever pockets, while distracting everyone else with bogey-man puppets of spooky minorities and homosexuals.
>>67627199
Those are traditionally "right-wing" economic policies. Neo-Conservative economic policies in the US are referred to as Neo-Liberal everywhere else, the Classical Liberals having been the ones originally opposed to mercentilism in the early 19th century before opposing socialism in the late 19th century.
>>67627320
I get your point. It makes no sense compared to other things the government already funds in the country, Like if Walmart wanted to make a new walmart in my town they'd get a million dollars instantly just for building it "because it creates jobs" even though that can effect my business and competes with me. Worry about the bigger picture, not fucking teens having sex.
>>67627589
This is a new party Anon.
As Trump said, this is the new Conservative party.
Fuck the GOP who gave us Bush, Romney, Mc Cain, etc.
>>67627568
Throughout college, he was a huge proponent of constitutional rights. His thesis was an analysis of 12th and 13th amendments.
He specializes in judicial law. He has studied the aw throughout his life. He has researched and formulated his platform based on several years of experience within his field.
When he became senator of Texas, he has, again, always been a constitutionalist. He is a huge proponent for small government, as evidenced by his financial plans. He wants to make big cuts to big departments, saving the United States money.
If you look at his government "track record," he has no blemishes. There was never any times where his allegience was in question, unlike Rubio who supported that gang of 8 debacle.
Cruz is a proven conservative. It is due to his bold nature and his will to cut so much that washington fucking hates him. Notice how Fox is shilling for Trump now? Drudge? Breitbart? The establishment literally WANTS TRUMP OVER CRUZ. They hate him that fucking much.
I vote Cruz because he is the most right-wing guy that the republicans have had run in a long time.
>>67627806
It's amazing that so many /pol/lacks think that the GOP's attempts to slide the country back to the age of the Robber Barons is somehow equivalent to "Conservatism" in any way, shape or form.
>>67620713
We are witnessing the birth of mastery
https://soundcloud.com/couchtruthing/emperor-trump
Reborn from the ashes, God Emperor Trump will lead the New Republican Party to greatness.
>>67627947
Cruz wants all government out of business. He has stated several times that he wants to level the playing field, but not the way democrats have been trying to.
Did you ever see that video where he explained to the iowa farmer why he wants to cut energy subsidies? That's his standpoint on all of this. Let business the it course. Don't let the government pick winners and losers.
All of that kind of shit should be defunded. Its a waste of damn money.
>>67628021
>we'll make diamonds out of our ashes
>>67627962
>Notice how Fox is shilling for Trump now?
Fox has been shilling for Kasich non-stop since the results of today's caucuses.
They briefly suspended their campaign of vitriol and innuendo against Trump,, that's not even remotely close to "shilling" for someone.
The last few hours have been nothing but "OMGZ KASICH'S MOMENTOUS VICTORY"
>>67628093
Yeah, I saw it. That why I will never vote for the guy. His constituents in Texas just happen to be heavily invested in the Oil industry, and he wants to cut energy subsidies, you don't see the conflict of interests there cus?
>>67620713
Not so much the death of the GOP as the reformation of it. How are they going to turn down Trump, who is such a sure bet to win? Even if the establishment doesn't like him, we've already seen other republicans begin to model their rhetoric after Trump's. In my opinion, seeing a live reformation of the Republican Party is much more fascinating and exciting than seeing the death of it. The party isn't going away, it is becoming more in line with the grassroots Liberty movement.
>>67620713
Death. Rebirth. And rise of the mother fucking Phoenix
>>67628180
Ok, that is agreeable. I have seen much more positive publicity of Kasich lately. But my other two sources are pretty accurate. I would wager to say the establishment would rather have Trump over Cruz.
I theorize that being an "outsider" is actually going to harm Trump. It is a hell of a lot easier to mold someone who isnt as politically experienced that someone who is stubborn as shit like Cruz
>>67628093
Yes, we should totally enslave our energy production to the titans utilizing technology 80 years out of date. Fuck it. we should never have abandoned horses, it killed so many horse-related jobs.
Coal was good enough for great-great-granddad, the younguns will just have to become acid-rain resistant.
>>67620713
Sure hope so. May greater things come from it.
>>67628300
The Establishment is propping up Cruz merely because his close 2nd gives them the opportunity to broker both of them out of the equation.
If neither wins the Caucus outright, neither of them will be chosen by the party elites. They'll make a big fuss out of "heated voting" and pick someone who's not even in the race at this point. Take that to the bank.
>>67628236
The Oil industry is currently getting subsidies, friendo:
http://www.politicususa.com/2015/06/09/report-shows-oil-industry-benefits-5-3-trillion-subsidies-annually.html
If that were the case, why would he do away with the idea of the government giving his business interests more money?
>>67627981
We want to roll back the kike-engineered white genocide and globalization, you faggot. The filthy kikes have all but turned America into another castrated Weimar Republic.
>>67620713
Once the US Republican party dies, the world is open season for Socialism. Which is the plan.
Even if Trump gets in, he will be the perfect useful idiot. The chimp out that follows will mean your final freedoms can be removed for speech and arms and association, which is all that stands in the way of total Socialism in America. The world he hands to his replacement will be very different.
>>67628486
I fail to see how the RNC could get away with picking neither Cruz or Trump
it would be political suicide to go against the blatant vote of the people. They couldn't gain from that.
>>67628520
The GOP has never given a single genuine shit about your religion or race, outside of how it pulls the strings of gullible voters. The GOP has been the party of the affluent since at least Reagan.
If you are rich, they give a fuck about you and your well-being. You are rich I take it?
>>67620713
Insh'allah
>>67622031
Double insh'allah
>>67628507
Because they don't need it, he knows they don't need it and they'll profit trillions more if other energy alternative don't get the jump start capital to push them off the ground. It's smoke and mirrors to give him an excuse to say "Nooo, I want everyone to be able to compete against exxon."
>>67628361
>implying that capitalism doesnt breed innovation
>implying these businesses cant innovate on their own without government help
>implying that non-profitable innovations are even worth the time
Can someone briefly explain why the GOP doesn't want trump to win?
>>67628862
oil and natural gas currently get the most government subsidies out of any other energy method.
If anything, getting rid of those will allow other alternatives such as wind, hydroelectric, and nuclear to get a jump because they are sent back by the oil and gas companies that are government favorites
>>67628623
"Blah, blah, blah, neither has support of more than 30% of the Republican voters, we need a unifying figure in tune with our Conservative principles Blah, we must be better than to succumb to our primal fears and anger (which we have relentlessly stoked for decades, oops), Blah, Blah we must be big-tent to be viable against the Evil Democrats. Let us present you this fine upstanding figure who's not seen a single embarrassing debate, and has nice hair."
"Oh and anyone who disagrees is not a real patriot and Republican, and is subversive and stinky. So there"
>>67629045
Right now, with Marco out, there isnt one.
The GOP would rather have Trump than Cruz. It's easier to mold and manipulate an outsider than someone as historically politically stubborn as Ted Cruz
>>67629045
He doesn't tow the party line yet uses the party banner.
>>67629153
The establishment wants Cruz. National Review endorsed him last week.
>>67628883
>implying that capitalism doesnt breed innovation
It does right until it creates overwhelming winners in a field, who have everything to gain from maintaining the status quo that they dominate, and the financial and political power to keep competition tamped down.
Then it is the opposite of innovation, which is why you are driving around a vehicle fundamentally the same as what Henry Ford built.
>>67629082
I still fail to see how that wouldnt piss off their voting base more than it would unite support
I would vote third party if that happened, even if they picked someone i liked. There is no room for more than one two-timing whore on my ballot
>>67629228
And Drudge and Breitbart have been shilling for Trump
>>67629064
The alternatives cost more for initial startup then oil and natural(which are already established with capital) sure they may receive more but they do not require it nearly as much as alternatives to actually start up.
>>67629045
He won't accept their money so they can't guide him, and that terrifies them because he'll do whatever he wants and by him being the face of the republican party it puts in jeopardy every state and local elections for republicans everywhere.
>>67629311
And Fox has been anti-trump since day 1.
Drudge and Breitbart are fringe media outlets.
>>67629228
>>67629153
Again, they "want" Cruz because he absolutely cannot win before the Convention. The better he does, the weaker he makes Trump.
The GOP establishment will never, ever, ever let Cruz get close to the Presidency. He has relentlessly harangued, subverted and plain pissed-off the entirety of the GOP Senate since winning his seat.
They
Hate
Him
So
Much.
They are propping him up to trip Trump, fucking Kasich has zero ability to do it. Kasich has done his last useful thing for the party yesterday.
>>67629242
The political power exists because of the unnecessary government involvement due to then subsidizing companies directly which results in half of the lobbying bullshit that exists today
>>67622810
This. I fucking hope so.
>>67626758
>literal Jewish socialist in the race right now with millions of dollars from millions of followers
>space unoccupied
This pic might have been true 40 years ago.
>>67629484
If the major feeling about Cruz among the Establishment is hate, what is the major feeling that best describes their relationship with Trump?
>>67629419
On Day 1, there was Jeb!, Kasich, Rubio, and Christie.
The establishment is gone now. They're going to pick the candidate the have the best chance of influencing.
>>67629551
There are VOTERS willing to embrace ideas on the Left.
That is VERY different from having Leftist politicians creating policy in the government.
Bernie has as much chance of shaping US policy as Ron Paul.
>>67629599
Fear. There is a feeling of fear among insiders and policy experts that if Trump wins the presidency America is at risk. I've heard guys like John Yoo say that they'd vote for Hillary over Trump.
>>67629599
Fear
>>67629624
They want a conservative president fit for the office. Cruz, though an asshole, certainly has the right talents and no one can doubt his conservative bona fides.
>>67629599
Panic.
The idea that the unwashed masses they've been feeding red meat to for decades might storm the gates and try running the plantation.
He's unpredictable and might actually try representing the base. The interests of their voting base do NOT coincide with the interests of the GOP policy-makers and their patrons in the slightest.
>>67629484
>>67629624
I think you both are right, There's one part of the establishment that wants a brokered convention and another part waiting to see who they can influence. There is a reason a lot of Jeb's superpacs didn't back Rubio, they're waiting to see what happens.
>>67620713
>>67622063
Republicans are turning into economically liberal/socially conservative, whereas they used to be conservative/conservative. After the way that Bush spent, it isn't much of a leap.
Trump might pull an andrew jackson and create his own party
>>67629819
I would say he's an asshole to senators and his party affiliates, not the people.
Which is why, along with his very conservative track record, I voted for him in my state's primary.
It's quite obvious that the establishment does not want him there. Even Jeff Sessions chose Trump over him, as a majority of senators have.
>>67624634
yes that one is just weird as shit while it is right in your face
Ya pretty much. We are at an age where comparing a candidate to hitler is actually a good thing. A lot of people actually want another hitler to run America. As baby boomers die out its time to say Rest in peace to the R party as they try everything to take a hold
>>67629819
Cruz is an obstructionist who wants to tear goverment down.
Government is ONLY evil the moment the Democrats are in the Oval Office. It reverts to being a bastion of Civilization, Divine Inspiration and Patriotic Leadership the moment a Republican ass touches the leather chair.
Thus it has always been.
>>67627199
Watch the debate between Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush from back in the day. Their immigration policies are actually more liberal than many mainstream Republican positions today.
Of course the reality is that the two party system encompasses a wide-range of ideas and there are moderate Republicans, conservative Democrats, far right wingers, far left wingers, and everything in between. You could probably split both big parties into several subsets. Among Republicans there are neocons, libertarians, tea partiers, etc. while Democrats have moderates, socialists, anti-war, progressives, etc.
>>67620713
They deserve it. Trump is like a divine punishment for cuckening Ron Paul in the past elections.
>>67629879
>socially conservative
That has always been pillow-talk for backwards rubes.
Even Dick "Heart of Evil" Cheney was glad to attend his lesbian daughter's wedding.
>>67629959
Look at his ad campaigns. He's always been the slimiest guy in the running. The senators hate him because that's his political style.
IIRC Jeff Sessions is the lone supporter of Trump.
>>67630085
>Even Dick "Heart of Evil" Cheney was glad to attend his lesbian daughter's wedding.
Soon Cheney will be a Democrat
>>67629819
he would most likely bring America back into the Jesus age if elected. I dont like trump, but I HATE cruz.
>>67630110
Actually, I was wrong. Both of them have just 1 senate endorsement.
>>67630224
hang all gays i am all in for that
>>67630224
He doesn't believe the Federal government has power to significantly legislate morality.
>>67630201
The fact of the matter is that the GOP has been primarily concerned with building better billionaires.
It plays to the Willie Horton/Kim Davis crowd as a distraction while the best parts of the nation are quietly loaded onto 300' yachts for the Caymans.
And an amazing number of poorz will scrabble like dogs against other poorz who are "taking all the good stuff" and yet somehow still poor as fuck. Because they are the wrong color/faith/nationality/something.
The endgame is that the nation's ports, bridges, airports, factories ect are sold off to foreign investors unanswerable to elected officials, while the winners soak in the sun on manmade islands or maybe a fucking moonbase.
>>67630332
morality should be based on a person to person basis. Not crammed down everyones throats and told they must accept jesus to be moral.
>>67630332
>He doesn't believe the Federal government has power
People always say this right until they ARE the Federal Government. Dubya was a small-government/gentle foreign policy guy in the primaries, you may or may not recall.
>>67630237
In the end, Senators have one vote for President, just like you and me.
It's dangerous for them and they might look into fixing that after this year.
>>67630422
In America, anyone not bowing and scraping to the precepts of Western Christianity are seditious scum who hate the country.
Just as the Founders intended.
>>67630422
I disagree.
>>67630514
9/11 changed the situation
Love the entertainment, America. Keep it up. This is as America as it gets.
>>67630416
This is the establishment in general, my friend, not just the GOP. The corporatist Democrats are concerned primarily with what their donors want as well.
Our entire system is broken.
>>67629153
cruz knows he cant win hes working with the establishment for brokered aswell
>>67626262
>even if it's paid for by state funds
>WE ABSOLUTELY BELIEVE IN STATE'S RIGHTS until the state turns out to be liberal, then fuck them lol
>>67629311
>breitbart
except for Shapiro who sucks Cruz's dick every chance that he gets
>>67632200
and he quit to get a real job at fox
>>67622486
The moment the Republican party became Neocon Jude and Good Goy party was when the grand old party shoudl have died. It doesnt represent the imterests of homest working class co servative white men anymore, but the Judes of wallstreet.
>>67621895
