I've been a lib my whole life and was just started to get red-pilled on Trump until I found out he, and the majority of /pol/ doesn't believe in Climate Change
See >>66856575 in archives
>>67571316
climate change is real, however it is not a crisis
>>67571316
If manmade climate change is real, why is climate change occurring on other planets and moons across our solar system?
>>67571316
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB0aFPXr4n4
>>67571660
obviously aliens aren't recycling enough!
>>67571316
Man made climate change isn't real.
The earth changes its part of its nature. Think of the ice age. There is nothing we can do to stop it.
didn't trump openly admit he believes in climate change but thinks that imposing restrictions on American companies won't do shit until Asia starts to impose environmental regulations as well?
>>67571316
I believe in it. I would rather focus on removing kebab first.
Why are we not underwater right now?
>>67571316
Hey there
You can't be serious
>tfw think climate change is a myth
>tfw legit have lost friends because of this belief
>>67571950
real or not, there's nothing we can do about climate change. We can't very well stop using cars or burning coal, we need these pollutants to live our lives, so worrying about climate change is an academic endeavor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHCLJGb9XcM
>>67571316
He's said in the past that Republicans are dumb, I chock ideas like this up to him just trying to win votes.
>>67571316
Not an argument.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3XlooigupM
>>67571316
He has alredy explained this, it was partially a joke but he said that Chyna does indeed suffer less from global warning than USA or any western country.
He explained how the chinese and indian government aint doing shit to restrict carbon emissions from companies, unlike the US government.
So it was mostly a joke, what people like CURRENT YEAR MAN don't get is that Donald doesn't really take his Twitter statements so seriously.
>>67572616
you mean this?
>>67571950
It was rubio or trump that something like that. Maybe both.
I agree too. Western countries have already dumped so much into the air in the 1800 and 1900s and now it's asia that's doing it much more. They want to reach a stage 5 economy and they are getting there by being the major polluters, just like we once were.
Of coarse Climate change is real. It is called weather you dumb fucks. Normally when mass amounts of C02 is spewed in the atmosphere it promotes plants, plankton and all life to expand. Stop deforestation and we will be fine.
>>67572436
>We can't very well stop using cars or burning coal
Not completely, immediately. But we can we reduce how much we use.
>whole world is switching over to renewable energy
>instead of the US paving the way on green energy and being the solar panel/windmill manufacturing capital of the world, retards debate over who started the conspiracy while China's taking the lead on manufacturing
Even if you don't believe in climate change, you should believe in creating jobs.
>>67572229
>its cold here therfore no global warming
jesus
>>67571316
Muh green gasses
staph hurting the earth!
China is a bunch of roaches.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQhlaWxMbTg
>>67571316
global warming is a bullshit scam. obviously we need to take care of the environment, but demonizing carbon (a by-product of life) is absolutely ridiculous. also all the laws that restrict American businesses while having no impact on China, India, and other gross polluters does nothing but make the US less competitive.
nobody says climate change isn't real. We had the ice age, for chrissakes. the climate changes. Please see pic related.
But whether human biomass can affect the entire planet's climate? doubtful. After all, ALL of human biomass including our waste and our carbon emissions, amounts to less than .00000000015 of the earth's mass. Less than 1 trillionth. hard to grasp that 1 trillionth of anything can affect the whole.
..unless you're a virus. there's that.
>>67573134
>also all the laws that restrict American businesses while having no impact on China, India, and other gross polluters does nothing but make the US less competitive.
i get that sentiment, but sometimes we have to make sacrifices for the greater good. we can be a relevant example to the rest of the world
>>67572965
Wow, that MS Paint work really convinced me of global warming, thanks!
>>67573313
dude sea level LMAO!
>>67572436
>yes, good goy. You need to spend oil
>>67571316
>scientist can tell the future
How dumb does a faggot have to be to still believe in man made climate change. 80 years ago everyone was scared of global cooling. Then it was global warming. Now its climate change because they don't actually know what the fuck is happening.
>>67571316
Climate change is real. Global warming is not. Its just something cyclical natural and not manmade.
>>67573084
Yet we constantly see scientists saying that this february being the hottest february on record is proof of it.
>>67573543
Let's see your peer-reviewed scientific studies.
>>67573285
thumbs up
>>67573501
well I'll support something that I believe. the global warming bullshit that's been so politicized over the last 15 years or so is not something I believe.
>>67571316
experts told us Florida would be underwater by now.
>>67571316
Climate change being the fault of the US is a myth.
The blame lies squarely on the industrialization of Russia, China, and the 3rd world.
They all started late enough in the game to be able to see that what they were doing was damaging the environment, but proceeded anyway. At least when the US and Europe industrialized, we didn't know any better.
>>67571316
we've only recently worked out planetary orbits in the solar system (and in ALL others in fact) are not static. we literally have no idea how little we know. There are huge correlations between the maunders minimum periods and fluctuations of little ice ages, which would suggest solar flares impact on the planet's magnetic field and could very well be responsible for the huge fluctuations you see in temperature between the ages.
>>67573700
>Its just something cyclical natural and not manmade.
the issue here is that we're speeding up that process to dangerous, unpredictable levels
>>67571859
this right here. nothing more, nothing less.
>>67572616
>>67572797
fake quote. Nice try though.
>>67571316
After an extensive 5-minute research in google it is pretty obvious that
1- Trump was jocking in OP's tweet. He is refering to the fact that China ignores environmental regulations while USA does not, giving the chinese an edge
2- He doesn't deny climate change, just says it's exagerated by a group of people who benefit from this (not China). And he is not wrong.
>>67571316
>China and india and the developing world produce far more pollutants than the United States and western countries, and are poised to create more with further industrialization
>Somehow we are at fault
>>67571316
How long ago did you convert from liberal to conservative?
>>67571316
We shouldn't have to export our energy policies to cosmopolitan globalists. We can easily meet any accord without having to sign any fucking bullshit.
>>67571316
Global warming isn't real, climate change is. That's not up for debate, what is up for debate is whether or not people cause it
>>67573285
The earth's atmosphere doesn't weigh anything compared to the earth though. It's a strip of air maybe 50km thick in comparison to a planet composed of iron and nickel. It's about a millionth of the earth's mass. Even the worse climate predictions forecast a 4-6 degreeF increase in average temperature over the course of a century. Not very much when you look at the grand scale of the solar system, but it is an unprecedented rate of change that will end up affecting many millions of people in one way or another.
Is global warming degenerate?
>>67574357
>but mom, all the other kids in class sell drugs!
>ergo, that makes it ok
>>67571316
millionaire invests money in windmills...
then says "Hey, we need more windmills, muh climate change!"
jews being jews
>>67572890
>Of coarse Climate change is real. It is called weather you dumb fucks.
How to spot a guy that knows absolutely nothing about the subject. I know my country has retards, but they stick with commenting football newspapers and youtube.
>>67573084
He has a public to pander
>>67571316
Look up John Derbyshire.
Temperature data should not equal taxing and monitoting every human activity.
>>67571316
Well, only the developed world does anything about cutting carbon emissions since all that manufacturing was going to China anyway. It doesn't hurt us, and lets us feel smug.
The thing is NOTHING substantial will be done about cutting carbon emissions because substantial cuts would hurt and those that don't do the cuts win out at the expense of those who do.
Whether climate change is happening, or is man made is simply irrelevant. Nothing will be done.
So far I've heard a lot of hand waving about how CO2 OUGHT TO warm the climate but there is just no way to do an experiment to prove it.
>>67573776
I'm not saying I'm right, but just because there's peer reviewed studies doesn't mean it's true. Every expert once agreed the sun revolved around the earth, but guess what wasn't true.
>>67573698
meme tier
>>67573774
average in the world. When something upsetts the natural balance, certain areas are affected different from others, take el nino for example
>>67574697
You're damn right it is. It's worse than a white girl with a nigger.
>>67571316
>2012
>>67571316
>It's a cuck humans are so arrogant they think they know best and should play God and make things worse, proven by India and China thread
>>67573928
>Climate change being the fault of the US is a myth.
Not interely, but US had a hand in it.
>They all started late enough in the game to be able to see that what they were doing was damaging the environment,
Environment counsciouness only started in the late 90's
>70 degrees on Xmas Eve
>coldest day in NYC in 100 years
>all in the same winter
>all due to climate change
what a time to be alive
>>67572436
> We can't very well stop using cars or burning coal, we need these pollutants to live our lives
>>67571316
IF I SAY IT IN ALL CAPS IT MUST BE TRUE
>>67576249
>70 degrees
where?
>>67575182
Wrong. And they did not have science back then you fucking retard, You can only speak about science when the scientific method is used.
They didn't have techonolgy back then. You are so fucking dumb. Or you are playing one.
> because there's peer reviewed studies doesn't mean it's true.
This part is true
>>67571316
Go ahead, explain the science behind global warming and prove that the data isn't being manipulated (Including the scientific consensus) and that it isn't disregarding all the other possibilities that could be causing climate change besides humans. If you're not skeptical of science, you don't understand science, you're just a fedora.
The sun's energy output is not fixed. It fluctuates in a long cycle, and is currently on the high end of the cycle. The sun is responsible for all the heat we have on earth, it's ridiculous to think anything other than the sun can have any noticeable effect on the Earth's temperature.
50 years ago, Time Magazine said, "World's Top Scientists Predict Devastating New Ice Age." In another 50 years they'll say the same thing.
A jar of pure CO2 left at room temperature will only be a few degrees warmer than a jar of breathable air. However, despite all our emissions, C02 makes up less than 0.5% of our atmosphere.
Global average temperatures have only been recorded for the past 160 years. We simply don't know exactly how hot or cold it was in the 4.5 billion years before we started taking measurements. The "hottest summer on record" means "the hottest summer in the past 160 years."
Any more?
watching /pol/ flail against global warming is a great reminder about how out of touch with reality /pol/ is
>>67576697
Good luck powering a car with a portable fission reactor.
>>67576963
New York City m8
>there are people on /pol/ who think humans rode around on dinosaurs before a giant flood
Do any of you read scientific journals?
Not saying that I do, but, just read a few abstracts from nature:
http://www.nature.com/nclimate/research/index.html?perpage=50
Al Gore predicted the ice caps would melt by now, and they've actually increased in size.
The fact is that "climate change" has always existed, even before mankind, and our greenhouse gases do very little to change the climate.
If anything, we would screw up our oxygen supply, but research suggests that that isn't happening.
>>67577370
that's what they did in fallout
florida fag here, if it becomes a problem, I'll let you know. They have been telling me I would have been underwater by now
>>67577509
70 deggres fahrenheit?
>>67577232
>The sun's energy output is not fixed. It fluctuates in a long cycle, and is currently on the high end of the cycle.
Source?
>50 years ago, Time Magazine said, "World's Top Scientists Predict Devastating New Ice Age." In another 50 years they'll say the same thing.
meme tier. I don't know if a consensus was reached or just some alarmist prophets of doom said it
>A jar of pure CO2 left at room temperature will only be a few degrees warmer than a jar of breathable air. However, despite all our emissions, C02 makes up less than 0.5% of our atmosphere.
Greenhous gasES, i.e. multiple. But yeah, CO2 is overetimated.
>C02 makes up less than 0.5%
And growing exponentially
>>67577278
yes.
>>67577370
The tech is not that futurist m8. with the right funding, just another couple of decades
>>67571695
What kind of retard do you have to be to listen to a comedian on scientific matters?
>>67578197
here's a summary if you're too lazy to read and continue denying facts:
http://www.carbonbrief.org/the-most-influential-climate-change-papers-of-all-time
>>67578229
Al gore was a fucking presidential candidate. His word means absolutely nothing to the debate. Only retards have a fixation about him.
>>67578459
Who?
>>67578518
A good republican american
>>67573285
How can this data even be gleamed?
I assume it is based off some form to chemical deposition in the soil, which I would question the accuracy of.
ITT: Conservashits show their retard
>>67571316
http://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum
global warming was created to help 3rd world nations grow economically. trump is wrong about who its suppose to help. it was suppose to help any one but africa and south america. not just china
anti deforestation legislation and clean air laws would prevent them from developing
>>67575182
>Every expert once agreed the sun revolved around the earth, but guess what wasn't true.
Those people also didn't do any legitimate scientific research. They said "The sun revolves around the earth because I'm wealthy and important and what I say is right."
Which is exactly what Trump does.
>>67578513
>gather sources
>prepare well thought-out post
>check ID
>lefty/pol/
>>67579119
Ice in the antartida.
>which I would question the accuracy of.
You are free to do this. And no one can do anything about it.
>>67579411
And they want to win a election. Who in their right mind wants to associate with tose retards
>>67579569
>thing that didn't happen for 500 alex
>>67572436
>We can't very well stop using cars or burning coal
Not overnight...
>>67571316
I believe climate change. i believe humans have had a massive effect on climate beginning 8000 yrs ago with agriculture.
I believe the industrial revolution is destroying the planet.
I also believe there is nothing close to a solution to that fact. The pooch is fucked. And anyone that buys into a policy line about fixing it is stupider than deniers.
The only feasible action plan is prepping. Family and friends. Voting (D) is a useless cop out.
Wrecking the economy and rule of law with useless authoritarian measures will only make the coming collapse worse.
/pol/, just because your hated nemesis the Liberals have Global Warming as a major policy plank doesn't mean it has to be wrong or bad.
It would be like claiming smoking cigarettes must secretly be good for you because libs hate them.
>>67580578
this
>>67573774
Hottest February in the SATELLITE record which started in 1972. BFD.
>>67571660
/thread
Also
>CO2 has little effect, small percentage
>CO2 helps plants thrive and it is what we breathe out
>CO2 incorrectly classified as a 'pollutant' and fucking greenhouse effect doesnt even scientifically proven
>CO2 is actually helping the planet keep away from another mini ice age that would suck balls
is saying the n word illegal here on half cick?
>>67571316
many of use do believe in climate change.
But some of us believe it's not man made and/or is inevitable...
>>67580820
Also, the biggest greenhouse gas is fucking water.
We'd all freeze to death without greenhouse gases, liberal koolaid drinking retards
>>67572815
Except back then we didn't know about climate change.
It's different now.
>2116
>CO2 reaches critical levels
>overgrown vegetation converts it to oxygen
>libshits start demanding we cut down earth's rain forests to decrease all the oxygen
>cutting down rain forests causes an increase in CO2
>libshits demand we curb CO2 emissions
>>67580866
dubs
climate does change... the left has been saying 10 more years until disaster for 40 fucking years now! They change their "science" as they fucking go, complete retards create their modeling.
Read fucking farmers almanac, they predict a whole year of weather for ever region in US.
How?
Weather modification?
Some, probably but they study the sun.
SOL
The Sun Profile
diameter: 1,390,000 km.
mass: 1.989e30 kg
>>67571316
literally EVERYONE agrees climate change is fucking real.
whats DEBATED IS HOW MUCH HUMANS HAVE INFLUENCED IT
WE SHOULD BE MORE CONCERNED WITH ALL THE FUCKING GARBAGE FLOATING AROUND IN THE OCEANS
>>67581683
kek, check my hitler dubs
>>67580325
> have had a massive effect on climate beginning 8000 yrs ago with agriculture.
No, we only started having a noticeable effect when we started burning fossil fuels, and industrial agriculture/cattle.
>I also believe there is nothing close to a solution to that fact. The pooch is fucked. And anyone that buys into a policy line about fixing it is stupider than deniers.
Inaction is never the answer
>>67580578
This. /pol/ is just the other side of the same coin
>>67581206
Everyone not a fucking drolling reatrd know this. Stop thinking you made a big discovery. And no, it's not exactly water, but water vapor.
Just because someone presents a pop science video, and it's wrong/has inconsitencies, doesn't mean the science behind is wrong
>>67571316
climate change is bullshit
the scientists that monitor the melting glaciers have said it themselves that there is little to no chance that humans can do anything to stop it even in the long term.
stop being a delusional faggot.
>>67575182
>earth revolves around tge sun
Bluepilled as fuck senpai
>>67578274
No, in fallout they power cars by very fast running men that have cars as helmets.
>>67582092
>>67571316
>GLOBAL WARMING IS REAL
It is not even man made. A huge object in outer space is approaching the solar system.
>>67578197
Astronomers proved that Martian canals are artificial. If scientists say it, it must be true.
>>67571316
Man made climate change isn't real.
Climate change is barely real since there has been none observed over the past decade.
ITT: Statements with no references
>>67571316
I do believe in climate change and global warming, but I don't give a shit about it. Nor do I think it should be a political issue; along with abortion, gay marriage, family planning, and religion.
>>67581683
You think rainforests grow in 100 years?
>>67582248
moar
>>67571316
Climate change is real.
It is just not manmade like liberals and Chinese want you to think.
>>67571695
Fuck this cynical asshole, I've hear edgy 8th graders give better political commentary than this faggot.
>>67582459
Protip: plants require CO2, which they convert to oxygen. If CO2 emissions are increasing exponentially like you say, our plants are going to be very happy.
Fuck some of you cucks are to much sometimes.
>>67571316
There isn't a crisis concerning climate change. Once you learn the Earth is flat non-rotating disk you'll discover that the creator and high dimensional beings wouldn't allow the sollar system to fail. This might be way to red pill for you and I understand, it took me 6 months to take it all in. Religion is an astrotheological allegory for how this reality works and how your body works. Astrology is corrupted my sexuality in modern days, the purest are completely vegetarian and celibate. Start here, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmGjxmXL8FU and move forward.
The socially acceptable answer: it's global carbon tax propaganda, and its not a crisis although it is real.
>>67572616
Nice try cuck.
http://www.snopes.com/1998-trump-people-quote/
>>67578197
Here's 1350 papers that are skeptical of AGW:
http://www.populartechnology.net/2009/10/peer-reviewed-papers-supporting.html
Here's 250 more:
http://notrickszone.com/2016/02/16/impossible-to-ignore-in-2015-alone-massive-250-peer-reviewed-scientific-papers-cast-doubt-on-climate-science/
And here's a electronic book showing that the "97%" consensus is fraudulent:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/03/12/the-cook-97-consensus-paper-exposed-by-new-book-for-the-fraud-that-it-really-is/
Buy the book:
http://www.amazon.com/Climate-Wars-How-Consensus-Enforced-ebook/dp/B01CEZLAM0/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&tag=wattsupwithth-20&qid=1457796980&sr=1-1&keywords=The+Climate+Wars%3A+How+the+Consensus+is+Enforced
>>67582800
Are you a fucking retard? Nature works in balance. That is like saying you need salt to live (true), so if you eat a handfull of salt, you are going to be very happy.
>>67583321
>And here's a electronic book showing that the "97%" consensus is fraudulent:
I only saw here this thing of the 97%
>>67571316
> cars and man created the ice age and the global warming that melted it
Kill yourself. Climate change is real and is a natural cycle of earth. Not some bullshit agenda to milk money from the tax payers.
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>>67578459
Jesus christ, /pol/. Every time I consider that you guys make some valid points, I end up stumbling on a thread like this and being reminded of why I thought you were so backwards.
This is facebook-tier scientific illiteracy. I've met people who never got through a year of high school with better critical thinking.
>>67578820
>>>67578229
>Al gore was a fucking presidential candidate. His word means absolutely nothing to the debate. Only retards have a fixation about him.
If he had been right, you would have shouted it from the mountain tops. Heads you win, tails we lose. A spectacular example of the unfalsifiability of Climate "Science."
>>67572965
>>67572854
Florida is nothing but a massive sandbar. All this proves is that sand erodes faster than bedrock.
>>67583104
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>>67583720
>>>67583321 (You)
>>And here's a electronic book showing that the "97%" consensus is fraudulent:
>I only saw here this thing of the 97%
Cognitive Dissonance getting you down?
>>67571609
It fucking is a crisis. There is no progress because people don't consider long term problems to be crises. Fucking apes when will they learn
>>67571316
Only a couple of burgers and honorary burgers believe there was no significant warming last century.
It's also stalled and models predicting acceleration are looking shaky.
>>67583019
>not looking at the timeframes
goddamn that's millions of years ago dude are you stupid?
>>67583720
>Nature works in balance
Hey, you're finally correct!
Plants are what gave us our atmosphere in the first place. More CO2 means more plants which means more oxygen when means less plants which means more CO2 which means more plants which means more oxygen ect ect.
>>67573285
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>>67573285
We are in an ice age, there's ice at the poles right now. Its an inter-glacial period currently
>>67583865
And what is this, as I have to repeat:
Climate Change has been falsified.
There has been no warming in the troposphere for more than 18 years. Ben Santer said that 17 years was enough time to wait, because then you are outside the 95% confidence interval of the models. (2.5% chance to one side of the interval).
"Our results show that temperature records of at least 17 years in length are required for identifying human effects on global‐mean tropospheric temperature."
Paper: Separating signal and noise in atmospheric temperature changes: The importance of timescale. 2011, JOURNAL OF GEOPHYSICAL RESEARCH, VOL. 116, D22105
The NOAA said 15 years is enough:
“Near-zero and even negative trends are common for intervals of a decade or less in the simulations, due to the model’s internal climate variability. The simulations rule out (at the 95% level) zero trends for intervals of 15 yr or more, suggesting that an observed absence of warming of this duration is needed to create a discrepancy with the expected present-day warming rate.”
Paper: http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/cmb/bams-sotc/climate-assessment-2008-lo-rez.pdf
15 years is long enough for climate scientist Phil Jones of Hadley Climate Research Unit:
‘Bottom line: the ‘no upward trend’ has to continue for a total of 15 years before we get worried.’
Source: http://di2.nu/foia/foia2011/mail/4199.txt
>nb4 Santer said "30 years"
NO he said 17. Show the exact quote from his 2011 paper that says you MUST wait 30 years.
The confidence intervals are such that the measured RSS temperatures are outside the 95% window. Since a confidence interval is symmetric, this means will probability p < 0.025
Statistical proof of the temperature flatline: McKitrick, R. (2014) HAC-Robust Measurement of the Duration of a Trendless Subsample in a Global Climate Time Series. Open Journal of Statistics, 4, 527-535. doi: 10.4236/ojs.2014.47050.
ITT: People with high school educations think they know more than climate scientists
>>67584269
>There are people voting in the next election who are dense enough to unironically think this is an in-depth understanding of earth's climate
>>67583865
So we're supposed to believe in heavily tampered data that is always "corrected" in a way that increases the rate of warming?
people who don't believe in climate control should be grouped with the people who believe the earth is flat or we are the center of the galaxy
because anybody who can deny reality that heavily is probably retarded or delusional
>>67584655
>implying liberals don't intentionally make simple matters more complex to confuse low-information voters
>>67583865
So just because warmists cherry pick there graphs to start at the end of the Little Ice Age, about 1850, we're supposed to believe its the warmest ever?
>>67584858
Sure they do. I'm not dumb enough to consider politics to be divided into teams of good vs evil.
You... You would never do something like that, would you anon?
not man-made
we're coming out of an ice age
>>67585177
It's pretty simple, anon. Would Jesus be a God-fearing Republican or a cowardly, deceitful Demoncrap?
"global warming" is a stupid name, because it's not really the earth getting warmer, it's that our climate is causing much more turbulent weather changes over shorter periods of time.
that's why you hear all these reports of it being sunny and 70 degrees, then cold and rainy with wind gusts of 50+ mph the next day. the climate doesn't get hotter, it just gets weirder. some places will be less affected by this.
>>67571316
its real but it doesn't matter, the negative impact on human life of a coal mine shutting down isn't offset by the postitive ecological impacts, the environment isn't really that important it just looks pretty
and no, we're not going to wipe out all life on earth or flood the world or something ridiculous like that.
having said that renewable energy is just a good idea and we should be investing more in it
>>67583883
That pic is strawman pure.
But al gore was not right in some things, because he wasn't guided by science, but by personal political gains. Still kudos for him for raising climate counsciouness
>>67584091
I only meant to say tat the 97% thing used as a argument for climate change is a thing i only saw here. No one actually uses it irl.
>>67584269
>More CO2 means more plants which means more oxygen when means less plants which means more CO2 which means more plants which means more oxygen ect ect.
lol, you sure figured out biology. Are you ready to receive doctor deggres from multiple universities?
But no, when something increases exponentially in a short time, it doesn't mean great stuff. It may after all be nothing, but still...
>>67571316
It's a hoax to push green energy and to demonize nuclear energy
>>67585343
Probably a socialist patriot.
>>67583912
Keep deluding yourself that it ain't about the money.
All the charts are going up by .2 of a degree that isnt a drop in the bucket pal
>>67585508
I already hold a Ph.D in Smartposting™.
t. Trump University grad
>>67585067
Holy shit, this.
Climate Change is a problem, but it's not something that the Earth hasn't been through before. If you look at the overall picture, the Earth is currently in between an Ice Age and whatever-the-fuck they call the opposite of one. In fact, from what I remember, the Earth didn't even have two polar ice-caps in the past, that's an anomaly that came about in the modern era.
I could be wrong about that, as it's been years since I've researched the history of the Earth, and it's climate changes. Shit, my country has a glacier which is slowly reclining over the past years. People can say "muh climate change" to it, but it'll eventually regrow, or another one will pop up somewhere else. It's not as if that shit's been there for the whole history of Earth, and we've suddenly just started fucking up so bad that our planet's going to be fucked. Because that's putting way too much credit on humanity as a whole.
[spoiler]In fact, I think the only thing the human species has done is slightly speed up the rate of which the earth warms up, and not much else. We would of gotten to this point eventually, we've just made it slightly faster.
>>67584709
>>67585067
Those graphs are scare tactics which I agree with you are largely exaggerated and dubious at best.
What I would like climate change deniers to answer is what, exactly, they think actually happens when we substantially alter the atmosphere. When we release these gases into the air, does it magically have no effect?
If you're curious, look into the atmosphere of Venus. Despite being much farther from the sun than Mercury, Venus is a hell of a lot hotter -- the hottest place in the solar system by far. Tell me why this is without using an explanation involving greenhouse gases.
>>67584649
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>high school educations
>>67584858
>He was unironically
>>67584709
So where are your studies that those data is wrong? I'm pretty sure there are uge interest that would pay a huge sum for them.
>>67585343
He would be neither. Jesus was a man of other times. Usury was seen has a godless thing, for example.
But you must be a little special thing to actually believe republicans are on the right side in every issue
>>67576963
This meme of liberal fedoras being scientifically knowledgable pisses me off.
First of all, they absolutely had science back then,albeit not as rigorous as modern science, but nothing was as rigorous back then. The fact you dont know about Aristotle shows how fucking stupid you are.
Saying there was no science back then would be like saying "There was no mathematics" in Euclids time because math now depends on more rigorous analytical axioms and theorems as opposed to geometrical ones.
Plus, if you read the science wars, you'd know liberals such as those on /lefty/pol have pushed an agenda of "everything is a social construct", which is incredibly unscientific.
As for the global warming stuff, yeah its likely true. Youre a real genius, congratulations.
>>67582249
>>67583321
So far this thread
"Here's scientific proof of global warming"
"Yeah but scientists also said that Martians exist" (100 years ago)
>>67583019
>>67583104
>>67584709
>>67585067
Graphs that go back thousands of years ago, before humans existed, where it was hot. Somehow this disproves global warming
>>67584517
"Don't listen to the 97% (1) of climate scientists who have spent their entire lives training in and researching this subject and who base their conclusion on the totality of the evidence, they're all wrong! I can prove it with these four research papers."
>literally ayy fucking lmao
I can't believe you actually think citing a few papers from 3%ers invalidates an entire scientific consensus. That's not how science works, doofus.
(1) J. Cook, et al, "Quantifying the consensus on anthropogenic global warming in the scientific literature," Environmental Research Letters Vol. 8 No. 2, (June 2013); DOI:10.1088/1748-9326/8/2/024024
>>67585433
This, and when people talk of the average temperature getting warmer, it's the AVERAGE. Some places could be much colder.
>>67586127
It's time to stop, Paco.
>>67586127
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zm7_FVS3IMo
Hour long presentation by a tenured climatologist explaining why manmade climate change is a massive assumption based on unclear evidence.
>>67584269
>more CO2 means more plants
Water is also good for plants but if you give them too much water it will die. Your logic is flawed mate, try again
>>67585343
Socialist hippie
>>67571316
you are irrevocably btfo like a cuck retard faggot(that you are)
>>67583865
Nice rebuttal.
>>67573313
>>67573610
The sea level is going to just keep getting higher and higher until we all drown when an ice age suddenly takes place and we are all cryogenically frozen and when the ice melts all the liberals die because they don't have guns to fight off the water beasts and all the niggers die because they can't swim.
>>67585067
To be fair, it's not cherry picking if the one you are excluding is a known outlier for known reasons (little Ice Age caused by enormous volcanic eruption).
The fact is, heat is rising now despite the fact that we are past the Cilmatic Optimum (Ice Ages come and go in a well known pattern) for this Interglacial period.
Given the lack of any orbital disturbances, and below-average solar output, the only remaining solution is that we are causing it.
It's not as inevitable as it may seem though. In a few thousand years our effects will have been reduced to mere background noise, and if we were to have another Toba event it would certainly end the warming trend.
>>67576249
All these faggots taking one data point out of a million to prove a point
Kill yourselves painfully
THE CLIMATE KEEPS CHANGING
TAX ME AND FIX IT SENPAI
>>67572973
do you support using rare earth metals to make wind generators?
not much pollution generated by rare earths... and it's only many acres in chiyna that suffer, so why should we care about that? faggot
>>67586544
You can't present cherrypicked data to say something about the whole picture, it's meaningless.
>>67586639
He's completely correct and has the expected reaction of a scientifically literate person stumbling on this thread.
>>67572965
That'd be a pretty dope Florida.
>>67573002
any pollution created by rare earth mining? any communities destroyed by this mining? any vast swathes of countryside polluted?
but at least it's only in chiyna right? ya hypocrite faggot
>>67586448
plants are toxified by CO2 in the 1200 ppm range. 650 ppm is optimal. we just passed 400
>>67571695
rot in hell you niggerloving cryptojew
>>67586432
nice source m8
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Judith_Curry
>>67586909
Climate change isn't debatable. What's debatable is whether it's man-made. We have this thing in the sky called the Sun that releases different frequencies of storms and when that happens shit gets expectedly hotter, m8.
>>67586709
>>67586709
There is actually more ice now according to NASA
>>67586147
>This meme of liberal fedoras being scientifically knowledgable pisses me off.
some of them are as stupid as /pol/ tards, but there are smart ones. Don't divide people in 2 groups.
>First of all, they absolutely had science back then,albeit not as rigorous as modern science, but nothing was as rigorous back then. The fact you dont know about Aristotle shows how fucking stupid you are.
You can't really talk about science up until the renaissance, because until then, experimentation had little to do with the "science" they praticed. Aristotles is famous for being a philospher, and for that works we are all thankfull for them. But he is famous not because he was rigorous or right, but because he was one of the first ones, a pioneer. One day you have to see the bullshit he wrote about a number of subjects. It's hilarious. Philosophy != science
>Saying there was no science back then would be like saying "There was no mathematics" in Euclids time because math now depends on more rigorous analytical axioms and theorems as opposed to geometrical ones.
Mathemathics is a different thing.
>Plus, if you read the science wars, you'd know liberals such as those on /lefty/pol have pushed an agenda of "everything is a social construct", which is incredibly unscientific.
I don't care about science politics, and politicians trying to gain support at their expense
>>67575030
do you know what the most effective greenhouse has is? that's right, well done, it's WATER VAPOR!
95% of all GHG effect is water vapour
and do you know how much water vapor humans create? ya collosall retarded faggot?
yes, you are right, it's 0.001%
0.001%
and CO2? why we only produce 0.114% of the CO2
tl;dr? your a faggot who is also homosexual, and also retarded in a severe way, and everyone hates you
Reminder to give all your shekels to alternative energy, goyim.
>>67571316
OP you are a total dumbfuck.
Climate change exists, but it's far more influenced by volcanoes than man-made pollution.
Enjoy your cave.
>>67578229
co2 is, get this!, plant food
>>67587438
We can measure how intense the sun is you condescending retard, it is not debatable that it is manmade. We can measure the effect of other factors such as the sun's intensity and Earth's orbital changes and all the evidence points in the same direction. Is it really that fucking difficult to believe that 100 years of global industrial human activity have altered the composition of the very thin atmoshphere?
>>67587726
What makes you better informed than climate change scientists? Those guys actually study and research this subject, rather than believe what they read on junk-science blogs and on /pol/
M.S. Atmospheric Physics Univ. of Oklahoma here
Climate change is real. The degree to which it is anthropomorphically influenced is not currently known.
>>67580578
it is though, kike
>>67587438
And we have this stuff in the air called carbon that traps heat in that would otherwise disipate and when that happens, shit gets expectedly hotter, m8.
>>67587673
Not surprisingly, the vast majority of energy subsidies go to fossil fuels and climate change denial is funded by those same corporations.
>>67573774
do they tell you how much hotter the HOTTEST YEAR ON RECORD is that the 20th century average?
do they say it's 0.69 OF ONE DEGREE C?
holy shit, we're boiling
>>67587958
...but the consensus is that it's "very likely" man-made. It's not known but that as our best educated guess, no?
>>67586397
Paco is a mexican name.
>attack the messenger, not the message
Truly the american way. Your forefathers are pleased
>>67581937
http://www.newhistorian.com/ancient-human-agriculture-helped-keep-earth-warm/5823/
wrong.
Action for the sake of it is stupid and can be very harmful.
if a snake bites you and you freak out and start moving around you only die quicker.
destroying the world economy by allowing the UN to impose a marxist economic model for the sake of "sustainibility" is fucking evil.
the only feasible solution would be nerve gassing 80% of the population including all of the USA.
the only hope we have of reducing emmissions and replacing portions of fossil fuels is worldwide nuclear power. fat chance.
>>67588143
.69 degree celsius change in annual global temperature is way more significant than you're making it out to be
>>67584269
kekked, well put
>>67584093
You should check the Bill and Melinda Gates recent letter on the subject. Carbon emissions are plateauing. It will be a nonissue within a century due purely to economic factors before serious, deliberate measures need to be taken.
>>67587673
If it is developed more, it would be pretty tempting.
Dat instant torque electric car.
>>67584649
ooooh appeal to authority, faggotry identified, you cuck
>>67587850
>implying I said the sun's intensity isn't measurable
>X is possible therefore Y
100 years/4.5 billion years
This topic really fires you up you'd be better off going back to plebbit and discussing it there.
If you want to know why a lot of people think this board is a fucking joke, all you need to do is see the logic in these threads.
Just these know it all uneducated dipshits making judgments about science when they are effectively scientifically illiterate, just ranting from primal feeling and relying on youtube junk science.
It's fucking pathetic, educate yourselves you fucking peasants. Maybe one day people who matter will take this board seriously.
>>67588940
>people more informed about a subject than me in a position of authority are automatically wrong because they are in a position of authority
try again faggot
>>67589212
>s-someone's challenging my world view
>shut it down!
>>67585990
jelly
>>67586053
australia has a glacier? but it's warm
>>67586058
we don't live on venus you pearl clutching leftist retard faggot
>>67586218
appeal to authority is a faggot you fallacy
>>67589090
Anon this isn't difficult, the sun is not getting hotter, but the planet is getting hotter. You really are having trouble connecting more than 1 dot at a time and you really should get your shit together.
>>67586909
>cherrypicked data
because all your special awesome TOTALLY SCINTIFIC BUT WRONG models were BTFO BY OBSERVATION?
please tell me why we should trust a single word these faggots say if their models are ALL wrong?
>>67589441
Strawman, read the rules before posting.
>>67588143
You do know corals can die overnight from a 1º increse in water temperature?
>>67588326
>massive agriculture
>7000 years ago?
sure, he can say that.
>>67589090
There again with the reddit fixation.
Anyone that disagreees with you shouldn't post here? Are we violating your safe space?
>>67589212
This. This board as such a huge potential for changing tomorrow politicians/bankers/academia mindset with honest, brutal discussion. But instead we debate lolberatrianism, climate change, trump memes, and how Reddit is bad
>>67583865
solid argument
>>67587938
APPEAL TO AUTHORITY!!
>>67589701
It's cherrypicked because you're using trophosphere data to make overarching conclusions about a planetary wide phenomena. It's junk science and it screams ignorance on the topic, next.
>>67589742
How about you swallow the pill, faggot.
Don't make us turn it into a suppository.
>>67587506
You mean this:
http://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/nasa-study-mass-gains-of-antarctic-ice-sheet-greater-than-losses
Although as you can see in this vid there is a 4ºc + increase in the Arctic temperature, even tough the Antarctic hasn't seen a big change in it's average temperature:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGOzHVUQCw0
>>67590125
I've been here for 4 years, I'm not going to suddenly become an idiot and get brainwashed by 4chan because some Australian cocknocker threatened me with forced suppository doses.
>>67587975
If you place a chunk of wood and a chunk of iron in a vaccuum both an equal distance away from a stove and let them reach thermal equilibrium, which one is hotter?
If the temperature of the objects change, is it because the composition changed or because somebody turned up the stove?
>>67589515
Correlation still isn't causation. If it's still ballburstingly hot in 100 year maybe we'll all say hFv9UhTz was right, okay? Alright.
>>67571316
you don't have to agree with literally everything a candidate says to support them moron
>>67586448
>Water is also good for plants but if you give them too much water it will die. Your logic is flawed mate, try again
Plants can effectively use elevated amounts of CO2 up to 1200 PPMs.
>>67590327
Okay happy to see you admit you have no fucking idea what's going on.
>>67588430
so you say, did the "scientists" tell you trhat?
>>67589753
>You do know corals can die overnight from a 1º increse in water temperature?
so how did they survive the many degree changes of the past?
>>67589426
not what I said cuckold, you claimed htey were correct because the CALL themselves scientists
>>67589212
>you fucking peasants
respec ma authoritar, and gibs 4.9 billion dollars
and do as we selfless paragons dictate, you evil non siocialists
>>67589955
this was presented by the IPCC
are you saying that you're wonderful never wrong scientists released a graph showing that ALL their prediction models were wrong, yet they were really right?
nice doublethink faggot
>>67590689
Anon this really isn't that difficult to understand but it's clear that you need to do more research or possibly just keep quiet on the subject because you simply don't know enough to have an opinion.
>>67571316
Did you fall for those Happening memes?
>>67587810
Not hardly, Do you eat oxygen?
Fucking Eurotrash education on display.
>>67591004
what a non statement you make, are you trained in spewing garbage?
>>67591143
sometimes, not eating oxygen in the current year
>>67590319
>the earth and its weather patterns is the same as a chunk of wood and a chunk of iron xD
That's fucking brilliant.
>>67571316
Hmm, lets see, amateur people with no understanding and twisted logic or 97% of the scientific community....
>>67584709
I wouldn't trust any data set which showed 40s equally hot as the 00s. Here's an exercise, find some old crusty uncorrected datasets on the web (you can find plenty with a bit of effort, in old text file based formats, very unlikely to be faked) pick some stations next to the ocean and run a regression test.
I did a couple across the globe and gave up ... way too much warming (from over a third to nearly a degree) to believe that bullshit.
>>67591290
He is failing to grasp what I'm saying and there's really nothing I can do to simplify it. He is lost and there is no hope for him, I also wouldn't be talking if I were you.
Daily reminder that hundreds of millions of tons of carbon remain trapped in the earth's crust in places like the grand canyon. Some of the carbon containing minerals were placed there by biological deposition. Others are simply naturally occuring carbon in the crust.
Petroleum is produced in abiotic and microbiotic environments from heat, pressure, water and carbon containing minerals in the earth's crust.
Shocking the system like we're doing can't be great, but life is more resilient than the threat humans pose.
If anything we're in danger of killing ourselves off, along with some vertebrates and plant species. Big deal.
There is nothing we can do. Marxism and authoritarian sustainability will not save us, it will only destroy the free-market-based technological engine that might be our only hope at preservation.
>>67591297
Answer the question bitch. Physics is always this reductionist.
It was in the seventies in NY for Christmas.
Proof of global warming.
>>67591595
how the fuck do you know what you would be doing if you were me?
HOW THE FUCK? would you know?
HOW?
HOW CAN YOU SAY TAHT???
WHAT IS THE INSIGHT YOU HAVE TO MY BIRAN?
HOW??
HOW CAN YOU SAY??
I DO NOT THINK YOU CAN SAY!!
HOW?
>>67571316
The sample size they base the climate change conclusion on is about 100k years of history... for a 4.5B year old planet. That's like me asking one person if Trump was literally Hitler and then basing the entire country's opinion on that.
If you think you've managed to debunk the entire field of climate science after 1 minute with nothing but "common sense" please kill yourself.
>>67584093
>Let's spend BILLIONS of dollars like Canada did for less than 2% of their total energy usage coming from renewable sources
>That'll fix it.
It's not a crisis and there is no solution short of taking away fossil fuels which will result in millions if not billions of deaths. Your move.
>>67592192
>>67591675
>tons of carbon remain trapped
WE MUST FREE THE INNOCENT CARBONS!!
HOW DARE WE ALLOW THESE PEOPLE TO BE HELD AGAINST THEIRYRE WILL??!
WHERE IS YOU@REOR COMAPASSION EVILDOERS?
>>67575901
But the US has a fundamental NEED to be an industrial world power. No other country has that need, only the want. Unfortunately for them, they don't deserve what we have.
>>67592701
Trapped is a fucking geological term. Bubbles of ancient atmosphere remain trapped in antarctic ice, which is then drilled for samples. no different. stop drama queening
>>67592928
>don't deserve what we have.
a billion mexicoon peasants?
>>67590689
They probably didn't. Maybe retreated to a smaller area. I don't really know about it.
One thing you have to understan. It won't be like that holiwood movie "day after tomorrow" or something like that. It will be slow (to human experience).
Stuff like this happened in the past. Did you knew that most of Holland was underwater in the early middle ages? Ocean retreated and advanced. But today it's different, because if something like taht happens, we all suffer, since our economies are all connected
>>67593161
lawdy lawdy, you needs to be educamted in da struggle of da trapped peeples!!
nevers have me herd da escuzees of da oppressin class agin da innocent carbons!
CRABON LIVES MATTER!!!
lawdy you sho do hate dem crabon pepples
Prepare to be BTFO:
The first claim I will debunk is this. Cow flatulence is causing the Ozone later to open and cause global warming. Many of you may feel this is just a ridiculous claim that I am making up. If only that was the case. The White House wants to regulate cow farts. Vaccines are even being developed to decrease the amount of greenhouse gases(cattle flatulence) being emitted. Australian farmers are even signing their sheep and cattle up to get vaccinated for this purpose.
Let's use common sense. If cow or cattle flatulence is so dangerous to this planet, what happened when the dinosaurs were around? Dinosaurs are said to have roamed the planet for 165 million years. Over the span of 165 million years you can safely figure that the accumulated population of dinosaurs exceeds that of cows and other cattle of this present time. You can also safely figure that dinosaurs are multiple times more massive than cows and any other animal on this planet. We could look at the recent discovery of the Titanosaurus for reference. This is said to be the largest animal to ever walk the planet. The point is that the dinosaurs would have emitted more greenhouse gases than cows due to their gargantuan size. They also would have emitted more gas over a time of 165 million years. According to the original claim this should have caused many massive holes in the ozone layer. As you can see the earth is not a ball of flames, and not only that but we had an ice age. We should have had an extremely hot age with those high amount of global warming causing factors.But we did not. Simply put, the ice age we had was natural climate change. This climate change happens without the actions of humans. Another point you must consider is how we left the ice age, surely is was not because of the camp fires of settlers emitting gases into the ozone later.
>>67593406
>most of Holland was underwater
thats why they builds da lesbians and pumped the waters out
>>67589753
>Climate Change
>2016
Sure, Climate scientists can say that.
Don't tell me you're denying scientific studies demonstrating ancient human influence on climate through agriculture. That would be incredibly ironic.
Prepare to be BTFO:
The second claim is that human caused global warming is causing the polar bears to almost go extinct. The idea is that global warming is melting the polar ice caps and is destroying their environment. This is causing them to die and even eat one another. The polar bear has been the mascot for the cause of global warming for many years but when looking at the numbers, the claims do not add up. In the 1950's it was reported that there are 5,000 to 10,000 living polar bears in the world. In the year 2014, it is reported that there are 22,600 to 32,000 living polar bears on the planet. That is four times the amount from the 1950's. As far as their habitat is concerned, in 2007 Al Gore spoke intensely about scientific research he had seen and predicted the entire north polar ice caps will vanish. If we look at the data from 2013 we actually see that the polar ice caps are still there and they have increased from the last year.
Prepare to be BTFO:
The third claim is that we actually have to take action to stop global warming. There are billions of dollars being spent and solution being created to stop global warming. Politicians are making speeches about going green by using wind and solar power so we can cut down carbon emissions. This sounds nice and I would love to have every home powered by solar panels but if this is solely because of global warming then there is a problem. Global warming has been on a 17 years plus pause. According to NASA it's been for 17 years and six months. If we bring it up to date we see its been 17 years and nine months. This is startling information considering the growth of the population. More people means more carbon emissions going into the atmosphere. That means we should see more global warming. More global warming would bring a hotter earth and we would see a continuous increase in temperature every year. That has not been the case with this 17 year pause. We also have more cars on the road than ever. According to a study by Wards Auto, the population of cars on the road is over one Billion. We see an increase in global warming causing factors, but no increase in temperature. If you haven't noticed, we have experienced record-breaking cold temperatures recently around the world. For example, it recently snowed in Egypt for the first time in 112 years.
Prepare to be BTFO:
The forth claim is that global warming is actually climate change. Global warming is not climate change. The global warming definition is specifically specified as the increase in earth's temperature due to UV rays beaming through the holes in the ozone layer. The holes in the ozone layer are supposed to be caused by the actions of humans. Climate change is the earth's natural cycle of changing. One example of that would be the ice age. The only you hear global warming is causing climate change, is because those who proposed global warming is real could not back up their claims that humans are causing the earth to get hotter. It didn't make sense to continue making their claims in an alarming manner if we are on the receiving end of record cold temperatures. They had to come up with a way to justify spending billions of dollars. The tried to do this by saying global warming is causing the polar vortex. The explanation of this is that the damages to the ozone layer are causing the earth to act unnatural and the polar vortex is causing the record cold temperatures. There are recent articles claiming to show the effects of the polar vortex with Niagara Falls being frozen over. The problem with this is that in 1974 Time Magazine claimed the polar vortex was caused due to global cooling. That's right the complete opposite of global warming. We can also look back as far as 1911 and see that this is not the first time Niagara falls has frozen over.
>>67593645
lol we wuz dinosaurs n sheit.
Prepare for a BTFO'ing:
The fifth claim is that there is a 95% consensus that humans cause global warming. With this consensus claim you may also hear about a 97%, 98% and even a 99% consensus. Many of those who agree with that claim would say I am disagreeing with science in general. They would have you believe that the 95%,97% or whatever percentage they are using at the moment represents all scientist. These claims come from the likes of John Oliver all the way to Barack Obama. We continually hear these claims but if you look closer they are not true. Majority of scientist do not agree with man-made climate change. The original claim of a 95% consensus agreeing on human caused global warming comes from a U.N. panel. They are specifically known as the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate change (IPCC) and it's often claimed that there are 4,000 scientist who reviewed the reports. You should know that 4,000 scientist did not write the report. 4,000 scientist did not review the report. When you take out the duplicated names it takes the number down to less than 2,900. The reports are not always peer-reviewed and many of the scientists are decades away from receiving their Ph.D. Some of those same graduate students were made lead and contributing authors on IPCC reports. There are your " top experts". Another red flag is that there are authors of the Assessment reports who are green activist with WWF (World Wildlife Fund) connections. Popular belief is that the consensus is from those who are unbiased. Knowing this information I find that hard to believe. They only want to appear neutral to gain your trust.
>>67592928
>NEED to be an industrial world power
wat nigga? Yo stopped being a industrial world power a long time ago. But yeah, science and politics never mix well
>>67593645
>getting wrecked
>"oh, i know, let's shitpost"
I hope you have a more meaningfll life outside of /pol/ m8
>>67593258
Non-Americans are born to be stone-age peasants. They have no need for anything beyond what's needed to keep them working.
A NEW AMERICAN CENTURY
>>67592595
>>Let's spend BILLIONS of dollars like Canada did for less than 2% of their total energy usage coming from renewable sources
You say that like billions is a lot of money and 2% is little, you only need 50 times more to get to a 100%. What would it cost you to produce all of the US electricity with renewable resources with those kinds of prices? (Assuming for a moment you can solve the storage problem.) Half an Iraq war? Big woop.
It's not really an option for my own country, we don't have lots of deserts at low elevations, but for the US it makes a ton of sense. Makes you more energy independent, reduces reliance on fossil fuel, good stimulus project (if you structure the incentives right to not make it a massive pork project).
>>67594191
That's why we're making America great again.
Another reason why people are saying there is a 97% consensus is because they heard it on the news. Some who call themselves doing research would look at this other study from the American Geophysical Union (AGU) survey. It is not from a peer-reviewed report but an online survey that was sent out to 10,257 people. It was only received by 3,146 people. 77 of those were climate scientist. 75 of the 77 agreed to the second question of the two question survey. Here are the two questions:
1. When compared with pre-1800s levels, do you think that mean global temperatures have generally risen, fallen, or remained relatively constant?
2. Do you think human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures?
>>67571316
Enviro Scientist here
Climate Change is Real
Only 3rd world shitholes that cant adapt technologicaly have anything to worry about
Stop complaining faggots. Climate Change is a liberal wealth redistribution program. We have nothing to worry about. Let the niggers drown and/or starve
LAST ONE, IT'S A HOAX, GUYS:
That's right the 97% consensus point comes from a two question online survey. Again ,only 75 climate scientist agreed to the second question. That is embarrassing considering the survey was created to bump up the numbers since it was an online survey with only two questions. And those pushing the global warming hoax bring up the consensus point without giving you the full detail because they know how ridiculous it will sound. There is no way 75 scientist represent the whole scientific community. We could even look at the IPCC panel claim of 95% out of "4,000" and see its not representative of the whole scientific community. There is a simple way to destroy this. In the U.S. alone, there were over ten million scientist and engineers in the workforce in 1999. If you can find the amount of scientist in the world you will see it greatly exceeds the "4,077" (thats both studies added together)representative number they keep using. It's hard to find that exactly number and some may argue about the difference between an engineer and scientist according to the ten million I mentioned earlier. That is just to give you an idea. You can compare the number of scientific documents being created in each country and you will see that there are millions of documents being created.It surely couldn't be just 4000+ people. They want you to believe this small amount represents the entire scientific community. Their idea of a consensus is a joke when you consider the scientific community is made up of millions of people. Think about it. We must count for the scientist in U.S.,China ,Russia, India and that is just to name a few. 95% of the scientific community does not agree with human caused global warming.
>>67594191
>I hope you have a more meaningfll life outside of /pol/ m8
nah, but at least amnot in portugal
>>67571316
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52Mx0_8YEtg
can you please watch this thing?
>>67594191
Dude we're still an industrial powerhouse. We're the brain for the global economy. We hold most the patents, most of the nobel laureates, the most advanced tech sector, the most advanced media sector, the world's best post secondary education offerings, the list goes on and on.
We have a huge effect on resource consumption and environmental damage because we're doing the most for the world's economy and receiving our due.
Meanwhile Portugal ceased being relevant in the 1600s.
>>67593839
>The first claim I will debunk is this. Cow flatulence is causing the Ozone later to open and cause global warming. Many of you may feel this is just a ridiculous claim that I am making up. If only that was the case. The White House wants to regulate cow farts. Vaccines are even being developed to decrease the amount of greenhouse gases(cattle flatulence) being emitted. Australian farmers are even signing their sheep and cattle up to get vaccinated for this purpose.
This is actually true. There is even a nice documentary about this. I don't know about the vaccine part and the ozone layer one, i always thought it was the methane (GHG).
>Let's use common sense. If cow or cattle flatulence is so dangerous to this planet, what happened when the dinosaurs were around
When shit hitted the fan, some dinosaurs died and what not. It really didn't matter nowadays. But when shtf nowadays,..
The rest of your post is shit. Why are this guys so retarded
