This show started to air on TV after couple of years again here. I can't believe how much communism there is.
>everything is civilized, no aggression, bad language
>no problems, famine, war
>humans are spending trillions $ on building a spaceship that 'explores' shit only, without any tangable economic gain
Is this the future if Sanders wins? *shudders*
>>67544156
It's a television show... television shows aren't real. It's a fiction.
>>67544156
>im a dumb slav
>what is post-scarcity economics
>>67546379
>eats his 31st burger today
>>67544156
>no more war
And that's how you know it is fiction
>>67544156
>no more wars
so theyre aliens not humans
>>67546704
Come back when your country is old enough to post on this image board
That's why it's called science FICTION.
>>67547357
CROAT BTFO
>>67545623
You take that back!!!
>>67544156
>No war
But they are at a constant cold war with the romulans
>humans are spending trillions $ on building a spaceship
>A spaceship
They have a huge fleet, its purpose among exploring is to find new races to invite to the federation, which opens doors to new technologies and trade partners.
>>67544156
>believing communist propaganda
I bet you would love living in North Korea too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFmUUzVXNpw
>>67544156
This is in a future where food & goods (of any sort at all) can be created spontaneously without any effort thanks to the glories or science.
In a future like that, where that sort or technology exists... People are bound to get shit for free.
But people would still compete to be the best merit wise. People will compete for respect & power in their social settings.
Communists in the next generation era would be anti individual merit & anti individual power in the purist way imaginable, and would be unquestionably psychotic demanding that every individual is equalized and has no privileges... The Borg.
They have unlimited resources due to replicators, and there are wars you retard. Romulans, Klingons, the Borg, all are against the Federation.
Nice bait, here's your (YOU)
>>67544156
Star Trek rather depicts a libertarian society, although communists and socialists Claim otherwise.
>>67547357
Gunther likes to shipost on /pol/ while Daquan is fucking his gf
>>67547750
not to mention Starfleet is also, you know, the Federation's defense
Also they are in separate cold war with the Cardassians, trade war of sorts with the space jews, and I could go on
>>67544156
>This same damned thread again
>>67547357
Rather funny coming from an American.
Not wrong though.
>>67544156
Pfft. Federation.
Star Trek takes place in a world that's post-scarcity. They can generate food, and just about anything you would want, on a whim.
No political theory, ideology, or anything of that sort, could possibly replicate the state of Star Trek's society, simply because we live in a reality with finite resources, while they don't.
>>67544156
It's "communism" because it's a perfect future where money has no meaning. Anything, even food, can be "fabricated" with machines in seconds. The crew of the Enterprise don't even earn wages from Starfleet because money is worthless in post-scarcity Earth. They explore solely for the sake of exploration.
>>67544156
TNG is based though. Best TV series ever.
>>67547838
>They have unlimited resources due to replicators,
dude they dont make things out of thin air. you would still need to refill them with basic building blocks.(sigh, is this really what im doing with my day?)
>>67544156
>bad language
Well it was a TV show in 1990s
Hell and Damn were considered swears then. Hell I remember simsons censoring hell and damn when they weren't on fox. Now everything but Fuck is A-OK
Don't judge star trek on tng. That was based off Roddenberry's view of the future without small conflicts we deal with today.
The writers used to fight him all the time because a show about a perfect, civil society was boring as fuck.
And then Roddenberry died and tng got good. Deep Space 9 is better if you're interested in trek politics. Much less of a utopia.
>>67548481
DS9 was better
>>67548008
Out of curiosity I looked up Poland to see how old it was and saw this
>Poland is an eastern European country on the Baltic Sea known for its medieval architecture, Jewish heritage and hearty cuisine.
shid
>>67544156
Spoiler: Wesley Crusher grows up to be a pants wetting idiot.
>>67544156
>communism
It's meritocracy you ignorant slav cunt. It's literally 1:1 based on Aristotle's philosophy of ethics.
Go read a book before acting like a retard. Communism is cancer and because of fucktards like you, meritocrats are always associated with it.
>>67544156
>not seeing the truth in star trek
step it up senpai
>>67548598
Nah, not enough mystery and intrigue. Quark is tiptopkek tho.
>>67548484
what? They actually form energy into matter
>>67544156
Pretty sure it's not communism because nothing is state owned.
Honestly I can't see any communism in it because there literally no working class in factories and such.
Even the workers in Utopia Planetia are like just assembling shit in space no one is machining anything.
>>67548783
if he actually lifted, ate right, shaved off the baby beard, grew out his hair a bit id say he could be close.
>>67548215
Is it time for a crusade battle brother?
>>67544156
It's an Utopia. It's beyond our petty options of communism or capitalism.
>>67548893
last 3 seasons were fucking great
Enterprise was shitteir except fot Tpol
Star Trek isn't the result of Jewish tricks. You have to consider the post scarcity environment of the Trek Universe, with energy and food easily accessed everywhere. Humans do not function with money, yet they stay motivated to work hard and better themselves always. It's weird though because money definitely still does exist. Siskos father works at a restaurant and I'm sure people have to pay for it. Also people in Quarks bar work for small wages and have to pay for their drinks etc.
War between humans is mostly over, but there are tons of conflicts all the time against very fascist style aliens. The Klingons are all about war.
>thinly veiled reddit post.txt
I'll give you this, it is one of the better ones I have seen. Well done.
>>67549364
Also watch this. Quark is based.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeKZmIfhEJM
>>67547357
holy shit dude
>>67544156
>communism in a sci fi show
>In a sci fi show
>sci fi show
Okay, and?
Are you a fucking retard?
>>67544156
>Is this the future if Sanders wins? *shudders*
Shudders?
This is the future of humankind, period. Due to robotization we already have lots more food, housing, clothing etc. than needed worldwide. Due to capitalism, there is a distribution problem.
>>67548966
do they have an unlimited energy source in the star trek world?
>>67549185
Whoever was in charge of casting likely went through a bunch of photos to find someone with an appearance that was plausible to be him grownup. That's the tragedy of the situation. Instead of using the opportunity to make himself into something better, he turned into a cuck paying for another man's kids and crying that slavery once existed.
>>67548008
the USA is the oldest county on earth actually when it was formed the French had a king and there was still an ottoman empire .
>>67544156
there are also no muslims. truly a perfect future.
No ware keks
I like this ship battle mashup
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whXohEOL-S4
>>67549773
>Oldest country on Earth
That's a funny way of spelling Ethiopia
>>67544156
For some reason Star Trek future always scared me. They are almost like the Borg, only they participate in this shit willingly. It seemed very constrained and boring to me. A completely sanitized world. I liked Mad Max universe way better.
>>67549745
They pretty much do yes.
Ignoring Fusion generators and shit they have.
They can produce Anti Matter at will
As used aboard the USS Enterprise, antimatter is first generated at major Starfleet fueling facilities by combined solar-fusion charge reversal devices, which process proton and neutron beams into antideuterons, and are joined by a positron beam accelerator to produce antihydrogen (specifically antideuterium). Even with the added solar dynamo input, there is a net energy loss of 24% using this process, but this loss is deemed acceptable by Starfleet to conduct distant interstellar operations.
And Romulans literally use singularities aka black holes for engines.
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Artificial_quantum_singularity#Artificial_quantum_singularity
>>67544156
Jesus fuck you people always post these threads.
Star Trek isn't a pro-communism show, it's a virtue promoting show (ex: Hard working, Compassionate, Generous, with Meritocracy and Equal Opportunity, etc.) that takes place in a post-scarcity society (with regards to Earth/Starfleet) so there aren't any expressly advocated political systems.
Political systems are in the show of course, but they take their form through the different species, which tend to be the extremes of various ideologies (ex: Ferengi = Capitalism, Bajoran = Theocracy (somewhat), etc.).
Starfleet itself is simply a blank slate with virtues attached for a reason. There are videos of Roddenbery explaining that they purposely tried to make the show not endorse any particular political ideology.
>>67548970
>in it because there literally no working class in factories and such.
they have sentient holographic slaves mining asteorids
>>67544156
>>no problems, famine, war
Watch DS9. Its nothing but war and space jews
>>67544156
>no problems, famine, war
Aren't the other places they visit still part of the ST universe?
They do encounter other races and cultures that try to kill them
>>67550253
You don't. Thats just for ship engines and warp travel.
"Dilithium crystals" produce the "warp plasma".
The energy source is Anti Matter.
>>67544156
Their world changed because they could fabricate food out of thin air. Communism can only work under the pretense of infinite resources..
>>67550484
Pretty sure they just gained sentience later.
>>67547357
Holy shit
Croatia status
[ ] Not Rekt
[ ] Rekt
[ ] Absolutely rekt
[X] Tyrannosaurus rekt
>>67544156
Space beyond the solar system is Angel Constellations. The earth is a flat non-rotating disk. Fucking normie gtfo with your Lucifer worshiping dog shit. MUH ALIENZ WE WUZ VISTUD BUH MUH ANCIENT ALIENZ. Look into flat Earth and tell me in 3 months if you think Aliens ≠Inter-dimensional Demonic Entities
>>67550346
well there are two types of people you know..
This is why we need democracy only to balance those out
all other ideology is just another word for authoritarian, SJW or trumpies
>>67550994
>Look into flat Earth
The Federation gets redpilled as fuck during the Dominion War.
>>67544156
If you rely pay attention you learn that the Federation is an evil empire and the Enterprise Captain is a Rebel.
>>67549745
So I went and googled around a bit.
The Next Gen Technical Manual says on pages 67-68 that they have thirty storage pods with a volume of 100 m^3, for a total supply of 3000 m^3. They also say that antihydrogen is stored as liquid or slush. And liquid hydrogen has a density of 70.85 kg/m^3, so that would work out to 212,550 kg of antihydrogen. That would contain 1.9*10^22 Joules of energy, and double that would be released reacting with matter, about 9 million megatons according to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TNT_equivalent (360,000 H-bombs).
Not sure how effective it is and if it's 1:1
>>67550481
>Star Trek isn't a pro-communism show, it's a virtue promoting show (ex: Hard working, Compassionate, Generous, with Meritocracy and Equal Opportunity, etc.) that takes place in a post-scarcity society (with regards to Earth/Starfleet) so there aren't any expressly advocated political systems.
COM MUHH NIIII SSSSMMM.
w40k is the best sci-fi universe.
>every human ought to have faith in the empra
>humanity is united and constantly under fire
>on an eternal war to conquer the entire universe
>constant war ensures that the species stays strong
>countless resources spent on the Imperial warmachine
this is the future if trump wins.
>>67548970
>there literally no working class in factories and such
Picard's brother is working in a winery. Sisko's dad is working in a restaurant. iirc O'Brian has a brother or something who works as a mechanic.
>>67544156
>>humans are spending trillions $ on building a spaceship that 'explores' shit only, without any tangable economic gain
Because finding new resources and technologies to exploit the resources we all ready have isn't a perfectly legitimate reason.
>>67551437
Im okay with this
>>67548677
Where the fuck did you look it up exactly?
We're not eastern European. And we're not "known for Jewish heritage", we had Jews here, because we were the only ones in Europe not persecuting people of different religions and shit (maybe not a great idea in hindsight).
The country is Christian for 1000+ years, fuck knows how long we were around before that, we just prayed to the sun and trees and shit, didn't keep written records.
>>67549773
Do you mean oldest continuous government? In which case, what about Sweden?
>>67544156
I prefer the fascist empire version. Minus the whole "single ship can take on the entire Terran defence fleet and win" shtick.
>>67551625
Most of these are for fun or hobby.
You're from Bosnia you know people like to grow their own shit for alcohol. Star Trek is literally full of people complaning about Synthehol
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Synthehol
Siskos dad runs a family restaurant for fun.
O'Brian is actually has a brother that is employed not for fun.
>>67551345
>putting this much effort into a TV show
I used to be like you and regret it every day.
Learning the history of the WoW world, all the Pokemons and their evolutions, the planets of Star Wars... it's all USELESS.
YOU ARE WASTING YOUR BRAIN SPACE.
Some cunt like JJ Abrams can come any day and replace it all with a wave of his hand.
Don't bother bro, seriously.
Learn real world stuff.
Learn a new language.
Learn how to build things with your hands.
This shit is useless.
You'll regret it like I do.
>>67551830
>we had Jews here, because we were the only ones in Europe not persecuting people of different religions
gay
>>67552127
If you can't tell me how and why the Horus Heresy happened you're literally worthless.
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>>67545623
Anime will be real soon enough senpai
>>67552180
pls no bully, that was a very new thing back then, the king tried to be just, no one knew it's going to backfire
>>67550481
Promotes the new age space cult, we ain't leaving this planet anytime soon, might even go back to a stone age before colonizing space. It's a religion in itself, space cultists, destroying children's minds erryday.
>>67551408
but anon, communism was [spoiler]the borg
>>67552127
I just know this because I used to like it.
There no Star Trek for years now. No one makes technobable anymore ;_; It makes me sad because most technobable had interesting ideas behind it.
Basically no one cares about nerds and our "we want engineering manuals"
Also please pleb
I speak Croatian, Czech, German and English.
Why would I learn to build shit with my hands when I can code? I got enough money to buy most "made things"
Why would I regret learning about science? I'm sorry but my Computer Engineering degree I have is because I actually like Science.
>>67544156
It's a show that portrays an idealized future, fun to watch but impossible to implement
Also there are a fuck ton of problems did you even watch the show? Dirty alien faggots keep trying to start shit with us and there is a constant state of cold war with them
And running around the galaxy does yield benefits, they stumbled across all sorts of cool shit during the show
>>67552799
if the king told you to jump off a bridge, would you do that too?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSueE5vS99M
>>67552742
But anime is real look at Miley Cirkus.
>>67549307
Vulcan cutie can nerve pinch me with her nipples, anyday.
>>67547750
you can join, but you can't leave. no different than the borg
>>67544156
>*shudders*
>>>/reddit/
http://www.startrekcontinues.com
>>67544156
Anon, the Borg were the communists, they were actually written to represent the USSR. Also, if you actually watched the show, you would know that there is no money in the future, as all humans have learned to cooperate toward common goals.
Also, there are warp drives.
>>67552373
WH40k rebellion against our Holy Emperor, our Father and Guardian. You shall not speak again of such heresies unless you want an EXTERMINATUS.
>kill me please
>>67553008
Star Trek is not science.
Don't try to justify your neckbeardism friend.
Good language list though, I only speak three.
>>67544156
FOR THE GALACTIC EMPIRE!!!!!!!!!!!
>>67553008
>There no Star Trek for years now.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Untitled_2017_Star_Trek_TV_series
>>67553141
>if the king told you to jump off a bridge, would you do that too?
Of course I would, he's the king, you uncivilized brute.
>>67551437
40k is British satire bro. It was created by metal-loving D&D nerds throwing together a bunch of fantasy, sci-fi and pop culture stuff they thought was cool. The Imperium of Man is one of the main jokes kek.
The company got big, executives took over and now it's played straight to harvest shekels from kids.
Ima li HRT nešto drugo sem star trek ?
>>67544156
Note that none of them routinely kill people for no reason, import illegal drugs, rape, or force conversion to their religion.
>>67554015
What do you mean it's not science.
Ever heard of the Alcubiere Drive?
They're literally trying to make medical tricorders
http://tricorder.xprize.org/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulhsieh/2014/06/24/8-star-trek-technologies/#4c5e0a6d69d1
You do know they actually took read ideas and implemented them in the show.
Take Space Warping for FTL. They're literally doing it like that in real life.
Impulse Drive is getting crazy close to being real if it turns out EM drives are real.
>>67554130
Is it magically 2017 and is it magically good and has technobables and real issues instead of shitty action trek?
why do Deanna and Dr. Crusher have different styled shirts?
>>67554427
Nedeljom u 2?
Ono kada placas 10€ svaki mjesec za DOSLOVNO NISTA
>>67544156
This is bretty good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78ikZANw_Z8
People who did nothing wrong.
Pic related.
>>67554979
Deanna's is wearing her official captain's poontang uniform
>>67554316
And?
>>67554979
Good question. No idea.
She was sort of a new concept they never used again. Shes mostly there I think because they needed more females on the bridge.
Ship Counselor. I guess it was an idea that you need something like that for a big Family ship like the Galaxy Class Enterprise. Basically you had a small village living on a ship.
You see Federation ships are explorer ships first.
The first military only design of a ship came in DS9 with the Defiance.
And Crushers just a Science officer that happens to also be a Medical officer.
Science officers wear Blue, Command wears Red, Engineering wears Yellow.
>>67554316
40k was Metalocalypse before Metalocalypse was even made
Brutal, over the top, and glorious
>>67554987
Otkad znam za sebe vrte tu seriju, i pod sdp i pod hdz je vrte jebo majku
>>67553447
Except it's your choice to join starfleet
>>67555215
him and quark best fucking characters on that show
>>67554979
Because she was a slut and Picard let her dress like sh wanted.
Until Based Jellico came and call her out and forced her to wear her uniform.
>>67555215
Garak was just a tailor.
DS9 > everything else
>>67555215
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZKHKDGQ7co
>>67554979
They make Dianna change later. She's allowed to wear civilian clothes because she's the therapist/psychiatrist on the ship. The top brass allows it because it makes the crew not see her as a commanding officer, makes them open up to her.
Some hardass admiral changes this policy later.
>>67554979
Apparently it is Federation regulation that the ship's counselor have a huge rack.
>>67555387
It's amusing seeing /pol/lacks using it as some sort of inspirational material
>>67546379
>Muh post-scarcity economics
Nobody is going to work for free, especially when you have the same economic entitlements as the guy who sits at home all day. If people are given the choice of cruising the galaxy all day in super-deluxe space hotels, or sitting on some shit hole planet doing maintenance work on dirty machinery, guess which they are going to do?
>inb4 muh pride
The very notion that people even join Star Fleet and put life and limb on the line is full of shit. You take money out of the equation, and you decentivize the very notion of work.
Also, until Replicators became a thing, how did their economic system even work? Who the fuck was manufacturing and transporting billions of goods even day? Who procured the resources, marketed the goods, and spent 1000's of hours improving already existing goods?
>>67555659
A sta bi da vrte? X-files?
Mislim neznam sta ocekujes da se vrzi na drzvavnoj televiziji.
>>67555215
Putin = Gul Dukat
>>67556598
post-scarcity means either nobody has to work because everything is fully automated, or only a few specialized individuals have to work to maintain the aforementioned automation
>>67556648
Breaking bad, ili da naprave nesto svoje kao bitange i princeze
>>67553720
Oh the naughty shit I'd do with the blonde member of the bridge crew. Good thing I don't go to scifi conventions or I'd end up being creepy... so I wouldn't actually stand out at all.
This one is much better.
>>67557821
Im doing my part
>>67544156
It only works if there's post scarcity
i would like to see a Star Trek where there is real scarcity (those trilithium crystals, for instance)
>>67557196
>Breaking bad
Drzavna televizija ce pustat seriju o kemicaru koji nema novaca pa ide proizvodit droge i pusta se u kriminal? Mislim da drzava nezeli pokazivat kriminal kada ga vec radi.
Star Trek je neutralan, super optimistican, politicki neutralan.
A da nepricamo kako Breaking Bad kosta 200 puta vise.
>>67557196
Hrvatska nema smisla za to... Serbija ajde jos koliko toliko zna nesto smjesno napravit. Al jebeni hrvati mi smo ko da ti neko nabije metlnu u Å¡upak i onda pricas sve tocno gramaticki i nikada neradis nista "nedozvoljeno"
>>67544156
You forgot one, OP
>Anyone who complains about anything is immediately beamed into space, even on Earth.
>liberal paradise
>>67556598
Good post
>>67555969
>>67556910
Nah, Gul Dukat was the traitor. He sold out his people to the dominion.
>>67558191
Things are scarce like Dilithium Crystals aren't replicatable.
The problem is the luxury of everything else is so seeking them out in a galaxy with billions of stars is easy.
Do you know how many millions of stars are in federation space?
>>67555854
Found the Jew, only Jews like quark, he's annoying.
>>67556598
>and spent 1000's of hours improving already existing goods?
What are mods, what is art, what is music.
People do these for fame. You have people releasing huge mods that literally change one game to another for 0 dollars. Because they'll have a huge following will be famous.
Take Dota for example.
Until Dota 2 came along Icefrog pretty much did it for fame.
>>67544156
The guy who founded it was a NWO creep, UN apologist and occultist.
It's quite literally NWO propaganda.
Their depiction of anarchism is a horrifying hell demon who is pointlessly mean to everyone, and their metaphor for racism was murdering people for completely meaningless and superficial differences. The great moral posturing is an empty-headed way to feel superior.
>>67548598
>tfw DS9 was trying to warn you about 9/11
>>67558938
We must have watched two completely different things. Garak just so happened to know certain things due to his experience in suit tailoring. Lots of people travel in and out of his store all the time. I don;t know what you're implying, he was lucky to get out of those situations alive. That thing with the Romulan ambassador was an accident. You can't prove a thing Kiwi.
>>67557063
>Inter-planetary space lanes shipping billions of tonnes of goods PER DAY are automated, when Star Fleet doesn't even have the capability to automate a shuttle craft
There were countless Trek episodes where they had to help out civilian freighters, and DS9 even showed us that on Earth people still had businesses and restaurants and shit.
Handful of people? If I recall, we never once see a human who actually lives the life you are describing. The closest we get in Diana's mother, and she isn't even human.
>Speaking of which, why the fuck are there people working all over the resorts on Risa? What motivation do they have to give people massages all day, and serve food?
>>67555854
Not even close.
>>67560730
>That thing with the Romulan ambassador was an accident.
>accident
>despite it clearly being established as planned (as a back up, if the fake failed) the entire time
Nope.
Besides, doesn't change the fact that Gul Dukat did betray his people with his lust for power. Millions of Cardassians died as a result of the treaty with the Dominion.
Stick to drinking whiskey, at least you're good at that.
>>67559115
Looks like around 15-20 billion.
>>67560730
>Garak just so happened to know certain things due to his experience in suit tailoring.
Elim was a good boy. He din' do nothin'.
>>67561380
okay q was cool but he was a regular
>>67561599
*wasnt
>>67544156
No, if Bernie won then all the people would look like those black people with ass faces.
>>67547357
she's almost 25 fampai
>>67547871
>Federation is Libertarian
No. The Federation is a post-scarcity socialist junta.
>>67559581
So people are going to spend their lives doing menial labor that is incapable of automation, or being freighter captains for... Fame? What fame?
Why the fuck did Sisko's father have a restaurant for? I mean shit, we see him peeling potatoes in an alleyway at one point when he goes back to Earth. Who normally peels the potatoes? Do they do it for potato fame?
>>67561533
>inventing your own head cannon about a quirky store owner.
It's almost like you never watched DS9
It works in star trek because people are self motivated. Reality is no one wants to work harder for no gain and that system is easily exploited.
>>67544156
Space Betas
>>67562658
Just because the federation doesn't use money, doesn't mean other cultures aren't using money.
>>67559581
Then there are those job that just suck ass, and people do them for the money/benefits. I work at a prison, we have decent pay and good benefits but have massive retention issues because no one WANTS to work at a prison.
>>67556598
>Who the fuck was manufacturing and transporting billions of goods even day? Who procured the resources, marketed the goods, and spent 1000's of hours improving already existing goods?
This so much, socialist dont think of this shit case and point is Sanders saying he wants to do away with Truckers.
>>67544156
This is one of the best shows ever. It made people think and was therefore complete anti-communistic.
>>67563452
What does that have anything to do with the Federation though? We see people on Earth and members of the Federation doing completely lackluster and menial labor.
Unless these people are being incentivized somehow, or given any kind of benefit, then they aren't going to do those jobs.
>>67544156
this is the future if an alien species like Vulcans establish contact with humans after a nuclear world war 3 happens.
the future presented in star trek is most likely not going to happen from these two conditions being necessary. aliens can possibly exist in our galaxy, but it is unlikely they will contact us on earth like the Vulcans did. world war 3 going nuclear also probably isn't going to happen despite all of the nukes that exist. the main cause of world war 3 was the eugenics wars, and this was supposed to happen during the 90s if I remember correctly. we will probably get partially sentient artificial intelligence before we acquire the technology needed for genetic engineering to the scale of Khan and the other genetically augmented warlords.
>>67547357
Australia would be proud, anon.
>>67565243
Old man sisko does have an incentive - he fucking LOVES to cook.
It's his passion, he doesn't want to be a starship captain, he doesn't want to join starfleet - he wants to cook the best damn gumbo anyone's ever eaten.
You didn't even mention Picard's brothen and well whole family.
They're quite happy being what is essentially 18th century french people making their wine.
It's weird actually. Yeah the federation is kind of commie, and took multiculturalism far enough as to put a bunch of aliens on their crews. It was always weird to see the other alien ships were homogeneous crews but Fed ships were mixed.
But then they introduced the Borg. Which are even more collectivist. And the major bad guys of the series after that. So I dunno what the hell message they were trying to send.
>>67566453
>18th century people
That's what gets me. It's like, barring Riker's jazz, everything interesting stopped being made circa 1825. No modern music, no modern arts or games. All old shit.
>>67565243
you pretty much have to read a summary of star trek to understand why people are willing to do menial labor (unless you want to watch every series and most movies instead). basically it comes down to how united earth was structured and the early human relationship with the Vulcans, so you'll have to definitely watch First Contact and Star Trek Enterprise (which isn't as bad as people make it out to be, it just isn't as good as TOS TNG or voyager)
>>67567603
this is an intentional plot hole in my opinion. they didn't want to include culture past a certain point, so that point essentially became the point of divergence and anything past that point was omitted.
>>67568174
Can you imagine though? A Klingon citing quotes from his favorite Earth Anime while firing torpedo's instead of Shakespeare?
Literally no means of production because replicators have made production obsolete. It's a post-scarcity society.
>>67567574
>So I dunno what the hell message they were trying to send.
maybe they weren't trying to send a message
>>67568535
>klingons fighting romulans
>mass up birds of prey to attack a warbird
>weapons officer giggling KEKEKEKEKEKEKKE ZERG RUSH as they all swarm it
>>67568733
You still need production.
replicators aren't making anti-matter.
also 'there's coffee in the nebula'
>>67547120
>And that's how you know it is fiction
we had 8000 years with no war in South America
>>67562744
Everything I said is objectively true. Garak planned the bombing as a contingency, which is clearly established in the episode. Maybe if you didn't drink whiskey like water you'd remember.
Then again, I'm talking to someone who descended from a people unable to farm potatoes.
>>67567574
the borg were introduced to the series to provide an enemy which represents the antithesis of the federation's goals. instead of seeking out new allies and helping out each other, they assimilate anyone in their path and take everything for their own use. the romulans are sort of in between the two entities, which is kind of interesting given that they branched off from the vulcans who indirectly caused the federation to exist.
>>67544156
Yes and the entire federation are a bunch of coddled pretentious pussies that let the romulans and Klingons walk all over them. Even
Humanities greatest ally the vulkans treat them with contempt.
>>67567574
>what the hell message they were trying to send.
"Watch our show so we can sell advertisements and profit."
>>67568174
Trying to come up with future culture just ends up cringy like this bit from Buck Rogers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmxXIS2ot8w
>>67544156
Part of this was Roddenberry's left leaning political philosophy, part if it the writers didn't want to write about stuff like poverty as they thought other programs delved into it better. But behind the veneer are signs of economic failure, like the home planet of Tasha Yar (Turkana, an unsubtle nod to piracy) being a dystopian shithole of rape gangs and poverty. A planet that was part of the federation until it broke away.
As they drift further from Roddenberry's influence, it changes significantly.
