Can communism ever work?
>>67231406
Remove humanity from the equation and sure.
>>67231496
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>>67231406
According to every communist I've ever met, it just hasn't been tried in the right country, maaaaaaaan.
Socialism will only work in a post scarcity society where automation takes all jobs.
>Marx viewed capitalism as a more extreme form of domination than feudalism. In his view, in destroying work as craft and reducing workers to a specialized function, capitalism had eliminated creative expression in work, a component of life that, in his view, is fundamental to human essence. Capitalism, in Marx’s view, was a system in which workers were alienated from the process of production, which was imposed upon the worker as an alien force.
> On the other hand, the great strength of capitalism, for Marx, was its extremely high productive efficiency. Constantly seeking more efficient forms of production, capitalist industries as they mature increasingly utilize machines, substituting human workers. This process of automation is made possible not only by technological development, but also by the nature of human work during the capitalist stage. For the highly-specialist capitalist division of labor reduces human labor to a simple repetitive task, which is exactly the kind of task that machines can be designed to do, since they are tasks that do not require human creativity. Thus, for Marx, the industrial factory inexorably evolves toward automated industry.
> Marx viewed automated industry as a new mode of production that would constitute the material foundation for a fifth stage in human history, that of socialism. Marx had a long-range view of automation from the vantage point of the worker.
>He saw it as establishing conditions for a society in which human beings would be freed from work in its conventional form. Instead of laboring as a slave, serf, or appendage to a machine, human beings would now have the work of designing and maintaining machines, a form of work that is much more versatile and requires education and creativity.
>>67231705
>In addition, since machines work with high efficiency, human societies would be able to produce their needs with less labor time. So not only would work be more versatile, but also labor time would be reduced. This would make it possible for human beings to engage in a variety of activities above and beyond work, such as gardening, crafting their own furniture, or studying literature.
>Thus Marx viewed automation as establishing the foundation for a society characterized by the efficient satisfaction of human needs, by creative work, and by the reduction of labor time.
>>67231496
Came to write this, but written by someone else at first reply.
10/10
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>>67231406
Yes. As a market system.
>>67231496
This. Until all humans all share the same mind and are effectively the same person there's no fucking possible way for communism to work.
>>67231705
In a post scarcity world it would be even harder to argue that "government" is necessary, because there'd nothing to fight over.
Also
>Marx
Opinion discarded.
>>67231496
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>>67231406
For the same reason you won't keep looking after your 'friend' that you only see when he wants something, no. You'll get pissed off supporting people.
You can give me some free shit if you want in order to work towards a Communist utopia, though.
>>67231406
It doesn't work in principle, so it can never work in practise. It ignores/warps the economic/social realities of human society
>>67231705
>>67231756
>>67231834
Burn in Hell you fucking retarded Emu. Communism will never work no matter what the circumstance, you dumbshits have to do triple the mental gymnastics to keep living in your delusions jerking off to commieshit.
Fuck off and die.
>>67234176
Because Detroit is shining beacon of the wonders of Capitalism.
Market systems don't fail, people do.
>>67234431
Detroit is an example of welfare programs perpetuating a shitty culture, and driving out all the productive white people.
it works if no one has to work and post scarcity is real
>>67231974
Humans are not fucking zergs nor robots
>>67236409
Again not really, it's what happens when you build an entire industry to one product and then have cheaper imports arrive and exploitative board members.
>>67231406
With enough money yes. Is it ever going to happen though? Probably not.
>>67236594
no, it's really just an example of niggers being niggers
>>67236719
Doesn't even need there to be enough money. Like Capitalism it can work on different levels.
You should remember Russian Industry barely existed before the Communists.
>>67236771
So LA hasn't collapsed because? Mississippi and Arkansas ain't fecal deposits why?
this video honestly sums up the failures of capitalism/socialism perfectly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zyr9OqNFi-o
>>67236978
Weak sauce honestly. Capitalism has flaws but it isn't exactly failing.
>>67231406
Inb4 it was never real communism
>>67237079
Not really, that being a shit argument.
My main argument is that yes it can work, just that it isn't always the answer. After all every Communist country has/had an Economy that has worked. Product arrived to consumers and demand and supply waxed and waned. But sticking with Communism when it's unsustainable is retarded.
>>67236481
Exactly...
>>67236594
Yes, really. http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=1880
Cheap imports does not explain why a terrible culture has persisted. It's not a coincidence that Detroit has been purely Democrat led for over 50 years.
>>67237463
It still doesn't explain why American demand for domestic motor vehicles dropped, nor why other cities with libtard policies are still around.
>>67237079
That picture is silly. I'm pretty sure that's what anyone's face would look like if you peeled it back.
>>67231406
No
Now fuck off with that bullshit
Fucking shill
It can, if you're a termite or an ant.
Never
Well, it depends.
In China, the Gov is communist, but the economy is somewhat free. Because you can't do anything unless the Gov approves it..
When it comes to 1 billion people, it's hard to run a country. Look at India. Almost the same population..
>>67231406
On the paper, it is great.
In reality, because of human nature, extremely difficult.
>>67238041
China exists as a fusion between Capitalism and Communism.
Basically companies are owned by the Communist party who run the country but allow free commercial trade between citizens. Essentially Communism lite.
>>67231406
Perhaps if we give it a try, we can fix it?
>>67231406
They switched to Trotskysm long time ago.
>>67231496
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Nope.
Look at Russia during Tsar Nicholas II then take a look after Lenin, Trotsky and Stalin took over.
Absolutely destroyed Russia.
Communism is a mess!
>>67231406
Hitler tried to take all the jews' possession and distribute them to his soldiers and we all see how that ended up.
>>67231596
>special kind of communism
What's inherently wrong with someone saying they're communist but don't support mass murder?
>>67231974
Believe it or not some traditional societies operate without private property.
>>67234176
Fucking epic argument. You really showed them. 10/10 logic.
>>67236594
Shh no intelligent discussion of economics allowed. Just blame le fucking dumbass niggers and le commie joo conspeeruhsee for all your problems.
>>67237463
>local policies are stronger than international market forces and federal policy
wat
>>67231496
>>67240959
Yeah but arguing with people on /pol/ is how I deal with my insomnia hours now. So I don't mind shitting up threads with debate.
>>67240363
It went from a 3rd world peasant society to one of the most powerful countries on Earth.
>>67240531
Nobody cares in a communist country what people think.Those in power kill to stay in power as long as possible
>>67231406
The problem with Communism is that it's never been tried by white people.
>>67241162
By making people build tanks on specialized tanks factories forcefully like slaves.Even hitler was suprised how many tanks they had built
>>67241286
They care what the collective thinks, so depending how the system of representation is set up that one person could be fully in charge or totally irrelevant.
>>67241286
How would that be relevant, seeing as there are only a couple communist countries left? Most activists for communism thus live in non communist countries.
>>67241557
Which proves?
>>67241297
Communism, as conducted by white people, is informally known as this funny spin-off religion called 'Christianity'. Works usually on the small scale, but fucks up big time when you have millions just like any Commie group.
>>67241739
I don't know. Those Catholics are pretty successful.
>>67241565
Well they did not care.
In all systems someone has the power and in socialism only what the leader thinks matters.
>>67241834
Again you missed the point. Just because they don't care doesn't mean that Communism doesn't work, it's a market system, not a system of governance.
>>67241616
It proves socialism will go to every lenght to preserve power over people since political power grows from the barrel of a gun.Capitalist countries cannot compare to the military effectiveness of a socialist country.Because humans are just expendable for the leader.
Read Starship Troopers by Robert Heinlein.
>>67242018
And you miss it I dont care what the ideology is in paper.I care what effects it bore in real world.A code can only be said to work if it worked on the customers computer.Not your own.They "did not care" in the past that is all we need to know since it was a test of the ideology
They're still around because there's still productive white people in them. The whites all fled Detroit. There is nowhere to flee to now.
A lack of demand for American motor vehicles means the price was too high and wasn't allowed to drop. Where there is government intervention, there is no capitalism, and Detroit is the victim of intervention in the economy and culture.
>>67240715
What sort of mud-hutt tribe are you referring to?
>>67240959
I am discussing economics.
>>67241056
Local policies fuck with cities all the time. New York has the worst housing situation in the country thanks to rent control.
>>67242103
I have and again you're grabbing the wrong end of the stick.
Put it this way, a democracy in Latin America ignores populist demand to increase taxation on foreign companies and eventually the natural resources run out and the country has nothing to fall back on and poverty takes over. Does this disprove Capitalism? It's the same thing, just because the system of governance is shit doesn't mean the market system is.
>>67242360
Meant for you
>>67237654
>>67242299
Again I have to repeat myself, the USSR, China (until and after Nixon), Vietnam, Cuba and even North Korea all have/had functioning economies. Sure most are shit but still they function, it's not like any of them have collapsed just because they're Communist.
>>67242436
But when local politics mess with the economy the industry moves, as according to the invisible hand of the free market. Which never happened with Detroit. None of the automotive industries moved where they could get cheap labor.
>>67241818
Crypto-Jews and shabbos Goyim friendo.
>>67244268
Actually. Hate to break it to ya.
I ain't really a Goy.
>>67244342
Brool Story Co.
>>67237654
US automotive industry has relocated to other parts of US that aren't as fucked up as Detroit and also into Mexico since NAFTA became a thing.
