>in class yesterday
>last few minutes some kids near me start talking about how most evil people are right wing
>"what about Mao?" kid says
>"well Mao is more right wing than people realize"
>"why?"
>"he fought wars"
>war is right wing
holy shit there are people who think war is a right/left issue
well...
In their world leftism is the universal "right side of history", nonviolent, utopian ideology. They somehow can't see the that their leftism is no different than the leftism of the past and they are nothing more than the useful idiots that shift power in to the hands of very few people.
You know you're allowed to disagree without revealing your SS powerlevel. These people's echo chamber won't inform itself. Ask this nigga is war is necessarily right wing and if there can't be conservative pacifists.
That's what college is for man.
>>67190163
Were the Americans who fought against England for independence right or left wing?
Was the Queen and her court right or left wing?
>>67190698
I don't understand your point.
Also:
>Russia 1917
>Germany 1919
Leftists start violence too.
>>67189534
holy shit you literally sat there and did not enlighten them
pussy
>Wilson brought you into WWI
>FDR brought you into WWII
>Truman brought you into Korea
>LBJ escalated Vietnam
>Clinton bombing in Africa and Kosovo
The right-wing war thing is a relatively recent phenomenon. Reagan used the CIA for violence in central America, but nothing on the same scale as the wars I listed.
>Bush brought you into Iraq
>Obama brought you out of Iraq
>Clinton lobbied for Libya and Syria, overruled by Obama
In this regard, I actually appreciate Obama's restraint.
>>67191187
I once heard someone say that FDR was a moderate
>"they tell is the right is center, the center is left and the left is fringe
He had that ebin quote on his notebook
>>67190163
>left
>right side
>>67189534
LOL
I DONT KNOW HOW ELSE TO PUT THIS BUT I LITERALLY CANNOT STOP LAUGHING, LMFAO
>"why?"
>"he fought wars"
God
Fucking
Dammit
>>67191723
>moderate
Wow. Moderate enough to socialize the banks, eliminate the gold standard, establish the welfare state, and imprison the Japanese.
>>67189534
Would a revolution constituted as right or left?
>>67190698
Is Greece right or left wing?
>>67191805
>see flag
never fail to disappoint
>>67191187
>Obama brought you out of Iraq
Hold the fuck on for a second
>ISIS has gone from nothing to becoming a legitimate threat to the West and democracy in general
Thanks left-wing.
Feel free to explain this to me, how it wasn't a fucking awful thing.
>>67190982
>I don't understand your point
Which part don't you understand?
Left wing ideology is by definition anti-authoritarian.
For example the Zapatistas are Left wing fighting against a deeply authoritarian and indeed very corrupt Mexican government.
Assuming -for the sake of argument- that the Zapatistas win and become an authoritarian and very corrupt government themselves, they will turn right wing.
This is why it doesn't matter what one calls himself. Mao thought he was a Communist, but his actions make him a dictator. Hitler thought he was a Socialist, but his actions make him a dictator. Stalin thought he was a Communist, but his actions make him a dictator.
Leaders can label themselves and their parties whatever they fucking wish, that doesn't mean that they actually ARE what they choose to advertise themselves as.
>>67192092
Greece was left wing for a short while after the Germans fucked off, when they heard the Rd army was moving West with haste.
Then the Brits and the Americans invaded and forced Greece to become right wing.
Greece has never been Left wing from that time to this day.
Another case in point:
As long as the Federal Reserve, and lobbyists exist, the US cannot, by definition, have a Left wing government.
The very existence of these two institutions (FR & lobby groups) go against everything Left wing ideology stands for.
Americans generally conflate right with conservatism and interventionism and left with progressivism and non-interventionism. Even some people on /pol/ do it.
>>67192694
>Then the Brits and the Americans invaded and forced Greece to become right wing.
Source?
Chairman Mao wasn't a REAL communist!
>>67193345
Greek civil war, bro
>>67192310
Just calm your tits for a second.
Did Obama bring you out of Iraq or not??
I didn't speculate that it was a good or a bad thing. I just stated the fact.
>>67193345
What the fuck m8.
Source:
All history books that exist in the world, and discuss that time period in Greece.
>>67192694
why even assign this arbitrary left right bullshit to it
If we do then, lots of self identified conservatives are left wing and tons of liberals are right
You're autistic.
Sorry you flunked your political science class and have to waste time shitposting on a chink anime forum
>>67192694
>fighting against authoritarian
Why can't leftists see this as a contradiction?
>>67192694
>>67194027
He's probably the faggot friend in this story
>>67193773
>lots of self identified conservatives are left wing and tons of liberals are right
That's what's arbitrary.
What one "self-identifies" him/herself with is arbitrary and inconsequential. What one actually is, is set in stone.
What I stated is not arbitrary at all.
>>67194027
Why is it a contradiction?
The Left has historically been deeply associated with armed struggle against authoritarian regimes.
>>67194455
but WHO says that left wing is anti authoritarian and why is that set in stone?
>>67194848
>WHO says that left wing is anti authoritarian
History and Political Science.
>>67195651
*Revisionist History and Leftist political science professors
FTFY
>>67196026
Can you name a few?
>>67191187
>still have troops in Afghanistan
>Obama bombed Syria
>Obama bombed Lybia
>have drones blowing people up constantly
Obama ain't no saint either. Probably forgetting other places he's bombed too.
>>67190552
College is a gigantic liberal circlejerk.
The idea is that uneducated rightwingers are supposed to come in and be converted to "the alternative viewpoint" while those already on the left just get jacked off some more.
>>67189534
>republicans constantly talking shit about how leftists are pussies who wont fight or declare war
>surprised when people buy into it
Fascinating.
>>67196133
Dont forget Yemen and Pakistan
>>67192694
What about people who are right side economically and anti-authoritarian?
>Left wing ideology is by definition anti-authoritarian.
There is certainly more to it than that, but nvm explaining it to you, you already have it all figured out. Congratulations.
>>67189534
Polk, The South, Wilson, FDR, all started some of the largest/ most influential wars in American history. What have they in common? Democrats
>>67196133
People dismiss this by saying obama is a right winger registered as a democrat
>>67196133
I never said he was. He exercised some restraint while the Hillary Clintons and John McCains were calling for ground invasions.
Don't get me wrong, Obama is still a shill to the warhawks. I've followed Jeremy Scahill for a few years and he's written about all of Obama's worst foreign policy offenses.
>>67190698
>Were the Americans who fought against England for independence right or left wing?
Right, less government
>Was the Queen and her court right or left wing?
Left
>>67196108
Name a few what?
>>67193345
They refused being able to flush toilet paper and wanted bins instead
thus the Greek right was born
>>67196357
Recent trend
Besides it not like most republicans like war
They just got talked into the idea that Iraq was necessary
Most have seen the light on that though.
FDR didn't stop an easily preventable attack on Pearl Harbor to get the country to realize that getting involved was necessary.
It's weird to think that anybody opposed that war looking back now, but many conservatives did at the time
>>67192694
>Mao thought he was a Communist, but his actions make him a dictator. Hitler thought he was a Socialist, but his actions make him a dictator. Stalin thought he was a Communist, but his actions make him a dictator.
These things are NOT mutually exclusive
>>67189534
They have turned political discourse on economics and security into some perverted moral paradigm. Left is correct. Right is Wrong. There is no middle for these people they found their entire morality around it. Its fascinating desu tho
>>67189534
blame neocons
>>67191187
Obama has bombed people in
>Syria
>Iraq
>Afghanistan
>Pakistan
>Somalia
>Yemen
>Lybia
>restraint
>>67195651
What's your definition of left, then?
>>67196862
A few examples of revisionist history, and a few Leftist political science professors.
>>67196842
I don't know what to make of this post.
King George was Left wing? Does that make him the same a Mao and Stalin?
>>67197315
They are.
There is no such thing as a Left wing dictator. Just like there is no such thing as an Anarchist King or Queen.
>>67197852
Read my posts ITT.
>>67198226
>There is no such thing as a Left wing dictator.
Stop chatting shit and pay denbts
>>67198605
Can you name a few?
>>67198765
Obama
They are being flooded with propaganda. Check out pick related, this is what my news feed on my work phone looks like. Those stupid kids never had a chance
>>67197205
Just like Iran is necessary <:^)
When your party is constantly talking about invading and shitting on the people trying to fix things without killing millions of people, you kind of give up your "oh they just got convinced" card
>>67197693
Clinton and McCain wanted ground troops in:
>Syria
>Libya
>Iran
>Iraq
>Afghanistan
>Egypt
It could have been much worse if the warhawks got everything they wanted. Instead we just have drone strikes (which are an evil all by themselves)
>>67198765
Stalin, Lenin, Pol Pot, Mao, Mugabe, Mandela, Castro. Christ you boylover, get off the Internet and work on paying denbts.
>>67199505
holy shit, the jews are leaving no stone unturned
>>67198765
Mao, Stalin, Lenin, Pol Pot
Im assuming you have already prepared some liberal mental gymnastics to try and convince me that these men and their ideologies were all actually right-wing, so lets see what you've got
>>67199817
Yeah, the fucking cucks I work with love Hillary and Bernie, hate Trump. I keep a personal phone and shit post and shop where they can't spy on me.
far left is totalitarianism
far right is anarchism
that's how I see it.
>>67199766
>>67200052
What made, Pol Pot, Stalin, and Mao Left wing?
Can you also name a few right wing dictators, and explain to me what their differences to Pol Pot, Stalin, and Mao where?
Leave the ad hominems aside.
>>67200190
You got it backwards.
It's exactly the opposite.
>>67200190
Anarchism and authoritarianism arent left and right, they are up and down.
>>67196241
I go to a very liberal "elite" school (UCLA) and I get nothing but respect for my political views, I don't really know what you're talking about. I'm able to respectfully articulate my viewpoint and discuss calmly with liberals, and they don't mind much that I say. Never had problems with any SJWs either.
>>67200428
Holy shit you are actually retarded.
Seek help.
>>67199505
>black and Latino Bernie supporters shut down Trump
>Bernie doesn't have black or Latino supporters
top fucking kek, fucking msnbc
>>67200354
Redistribution for one thing. As opposed to Pinochet who was "LOL Chicago Boys" or Hitler/Mussolini who were strictly Third Way, incorporating Nationalism into all areas of government. Lenin and Co. thought they could make everyone equal and spent the whole time skimming off the top while everyone else starved.
>>67200428
That's correct but far left is total institutional control of the economy, whereas far right is no outside control. Hence why left anarchism is just mob rule and nobody actually has any rights.
>>67200354
Hitler
His policies were entirely left wing. Socialism is a left wing concept. He used authoritarianism as a vessel to deliver socialism. By definition he is a left wing authoritarian.
>>67200634
>still believing in left-right politics
Into the trash you go
>>67200809
>not acknowledging that left and right come around in orbit and meet in the historico-political-space dimension
>>67189534
Left wing means being nice to them.
If you aren't nice you aren't left wing.
>>67189534
they've brainwashed an entire generation
>>67200730
They were only Bernie supporters because their not-nig-enough mayor Rahm Emanuel endorsed Hillary not him.
>>67189534
Please tell me you're underage b4n and this was middle school.
>>67200354
Actually most dictators are left/liberal/progressive. They rally the people to them with a message of inclusiveness, exceptionalism, and the promise of change.
Generally they are authoritarian, gain their power by demonizing the democratic process or line of ascention, and promise equality through collectivism.
Sound familiar? That is the Democrat party in the USA to the T
>>67200759
>Hitler was left-wing, says the roo
OH BOY HERE WE GO
>>67197563
And we shall also blame the liberals for all their wars
FDR is a big one
>>67201034
Glenn Beck please go
>>67200634
>says man of yurop's own economic cuck
>>67200354
Right wing dictators: Pinochet, Videla.
Generally, Catholic dictators promoting conservative values, with respect for private property and free enterprise.
>>67201034
>>67201178
How is my analysis inaccurate? What does that d bag have to do with an observation that is obvious to everyone?
>>67199725
It's a more recent trend with conservashits
They have ducked up but the liberals need their fair share of blame too
all the dumbass war theyv e gotten us involved in
But they'll so anything to avoid blame
They'll rewrite and history and arbitrarily change definitions an also make leftist dictators 'right wing' and some people just eat it up
Media doesn't talk about all of obamas shitty wars for some reason
Celebrities aren't protesting them
And funny enough republishits are criticizing obama getting involved
They see the light on Iraq now and now they hate obamas dumbass wars
>>67192694
>he doesnt know what marx outlined as the communist dictatorship phase
Sorry bub, mao and stalin were full on communists. Did you ever even study the policies they and their councils implemented?
Land redistribution
Wealth redistribution
Purges
Elimination of the old culture and hierarchy.
These monsters were as communist as they come. They literally helped write the fucking book on it.
>>67200583
You're lucky if that's the case. There are quite a few universities that are as >>67196241 and >>67190552 described.
Why cant we just all admit that left and right mean absolutely nothing and the western political system aside from a few social issues revolves uniformly around ensuring the interests of corporate and business interests through domestic and foreign policy?
>>67201674
Pretty much this.
>>67190698
>>67192694
>>67193716
>>67194455
>>67195651
>>67196108
>>67198226
>>67198765
>>67200354
>>67200634
proxyposter strikes again
back to /r/bernie with you
>>67201674
We do, hence backing a candidate who shits all over the Careful plans of the DNC and GOP
>>67201494
I dont think its very recent, and I think the liberals do deserve blame, along these lines: >>67201674
The US political system will shit all over the world to keep their corporations access to resources and cheap labor and they will do anything to keep the american populace apathetic or distracted.
>>67201854
I hope you dont mean Trump, and I hope you mean Bernie (though I dont have much hope for him either).
The US system is absolutely terrified of socialism and unions because they know that strong socialist movements absolutely rape the mechanisms by which businesses can fuck both consumers and labor for short term profit.
>>67200354
>>67200634
>leave out the ad hominems
>hur dur youre fucking dum
gas yourself and pay denbts
>>67189534
>in class
>>67200744
>Lenin and Co. thought they could make everyone equal
>>67200759
>Hitler was a left wing authoritarian
>>67201034
>most dictators are left/liberal/progressive
>like the Democrat party in the USA
>>67201542
>Wealth redistribution
>Purges
>Land redistribution
Who the fuck teaches you this shit?Honestly, I'm at a loss for words.
In regards to the last post specifically, the USSR was a state/crony capitalist dictatorship, ruled by elites and oligarchs.
The USSR was dominated by its ruling Communist Party, and the party was in turn dominated by a political elite that was represented in its Central Committee. Nearly two thousand individuals were members of the Central Committee between 1917 and 1991, who may be divided into four distinct political generations from the professional revolutionaries born in the late nineteenth century to the post‐war generation that was beginning to enter the political elite in the Gorbachev years. There were considerable variations over time in the characteristics of the Central Committee, including the extent to which its membership was replaced at successive party congresses. But a close relationship developed between particular occupational positions and Central Committee membership, a ‘job‐slot’ system that lasted until the final years of communist rule. The Central Committee as an institution was generally marginal to the political process. But it met more frequently and took more decisions in the 1920s and late 1980s, and on several occasions, its meetings were decisive in resolving leadership conflicts; they also ventilated policy alternatives, and sometimes disagreements. In the last years of communist rule, the elite sought increasingly to transform their positions of political power into the more enduring advantage of property, and this allowed many of them to maintain their elite status into the post‐communist period.
>>67202030
socialist movements rape everybody
>>67202987
>never studying maos china
>what is the great leap forward
>Massive forced population redistribution from agricultural to urban centers and from urban to agricultural centers (cultural revolution)
Who the fuck teaches you shit? Go read a fucking book.
>>67203286
How is that any of that shit Left wing?
How is massive forced population redistribution a Left wing policy?
>>67203525
Im not arguing left or right (I in fact never said that and agreed with >>67201674) I am stating the fact that it was communist. Whether you consider communism to be left or right is up to you. Frankly I dont really give a fuck. I am sure the Juche system would love to have you.
>>67202987
That's direct from The Soviet Elite from Lenin to Gorbachev: The Central Committee and its Members 1917-1991 by Evan Mawdsley and Stephen White. I can google stuff too you fucking retard.
>>67198226
If we're going with a 2d economic chart, a monarchy would be economically left (for a state controlled economy) and socially authoritarian (because liberty is viewed as less important than the state).
>>67203001
Same can be said of any system if you only pay attention to the bad ones, democratic socialism in scandanavia is going fine (inb4 HURR DURR HOMOGENOUS SOCIETIES)
>>67189534
Oh this Mao killed a hundred gorillion meme again how the fuck do you know how many he killed?
>>67203711
But why did you attack me?
I never said that Mao didn't do the things you stated he did.
Are you fucking trolling?
>>67203771
Yes. Word limit reached and couldn't post the source.
You dumb fuck.
>>67203843
A monarchy is not economically left.
A state controlled economy is not Left wing - State Capitalism exists in a state controlled economy.
>>67189534
It's middle school, OP, don't take it too seriously.
>>67194368
Anarcho-syndicalism
this is what is taught in US common core standards
>>67201674
I can also agree to this post.
Well said.
I'm off to bed now.
