Why does industrialization breed depression?
>>67177646
well if you want teds opinion, its because the "supplementary", boring tasks involved in an industrial environment arent as satisfying as living for yourself in nature
democracy does
>>67177646
Domestication.
Read Ted Kaczynski's manifesto (The Unabomber). Seriously.
The man was a genius and knew exactly what was going on. The bombing was a publicity stunt to get people to read it.
Basically, the problem lies with the a thing called the "power process". People's ability to A) set a goal for themselves B) exert EFFORT to attain that goal, C) achieve the goal, and D) do this all AUTONOMOUSLY has been severely disrupted in modern society.
>>67179156
Like this anon said, necessities have been replaced with "surrogate tasks".
>>67177646
Because it makes slaves of us all
>>67179579
He wasn't a genius, he was just smart, but more importantly, he did hallucinogens. Everyone needs to do them
>>67179837
>While growing up in Evergreen Park he was a child prodigy, excelling academically from an early age. Kaczynski was accepted into Harvard University at the age of 16, where he earned an undergraduate degree. He subsequently earned a PhD in mathematics from the University of Michigan. He became an assistant professor at the University of California, Berkeley in 1967 at age 25. He resigned two years later.
The dude was definitely damn near a genius
Too smart for his own good, realized the problems in today's society
>>67177646
I rewatched the documentaries about a week ago
what a fucking shame
is he still alive?
>>67179156
I understand this but I wanted to get people's opinion. I sort of suspect it is more due to close-quarters social stratification which keeps us locked in a state of perpetual envy as we superimpose our idealistic life onto the people around us. Even if you are a millionaire you might still envy the simplicity and authenticity of the life of a working class man. In Dinduland you have the chief and everyone else and everyone has deference for the chief anyway. But that is just another theory of course and not nearly as supported in this paragraph as Teddy's is by his manifesto
>>67177646
Because it's a dehumanizing process.
Life becomes one big sandbox game with all the demerits thereof
>>67179941
>A PhD in mathematics qualifies you as a political genius.
>>67177646
To be happy man must either live in hunter gatherer society or limited city state of up to 5000 people.
Mostly based on farming, agriculture in the second case.
>>67180033
It is very much in that vein of thinking. Modern man cannot fulfill his drive to power (accomplishing things of importance) because nothing he is able or allowed to do that is not already done for him matters very much.
Primitive man could fulfill his drive for power by accomplishing something of great importance (taking care of his family and himself) autonomously, and was relied upon. He also had greater influence as an individual in a small tribe or clan than modern man has in a country of millions of people. Modern man is even removed (by the political establishment) from his local government. Modern man is not ALLOWED any autonomy in things of importance.
>>67180047
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>>67179941
The CIA doused his brain because he saw what was happening you know that right? He literally was a product of MKULTRA
>>67180543
Yes of course. I fail to see how it makes his writings any less true.
>>67177646
Well, let's look at it the other way: Industrialization doesn't breed depression, it breeds spoiled people who have absolutely no emotional or rational references in their lives. I've seen Kurdish refugees who came here from Iran in the 70s who are still working in pizza parlors well into their 50s and they're goddamned thankful for it.
There is absolutely no research on this topic which shows people who immigrated from the third world becoming depressed once they enter and work in a Western country. Discomfort, aggravation, and frustration do not constitute depression, it constitutes an individual who is having the usual initial shock of adjusting to an alien culture.
Their children and grandchildren are another story entirely.
Now, since we know people who know a far worse course in life are happiest in industrialized Western societies, that gives us a big clue as to what is going on here and it's definitely not depression, it's a spoiled mentality.
t. born in a former Soviet asian shithole and came here as a teenager, furthest thing from unhappy while everyone my age born here is miserable
>>67177646
humans have always been unhappy.
>>67177646
Maybe when a place becomes industrial, it becomes more centralized in cities. When people are closer or compact together, they feel caged. I'm only making this up.
>>67180047
While it may be true I don't know what is humanizing before industrialization
You are asking 'why', having assumed we all agree on your premise for the 'what'.
Lazy and bad.
Industrialization, or even the adoption of agriculture, are by themselves a blink of the eye in the evolutionary history of modern humans. This should always be kept in mind even if you are a hardcore positivists who thinks you can easily understand what makes people happy on the medium-long term.
I'd say that industrialization simply didn't come with the right spiritual tools to keep people at peace with things. This is what matters in the end I think.
Secularism didn't replace religion where it matters.
More primitive people might physically suffer more or have to work more, but they are a product of their harsh environment from thousands of years and in those thousands of years they had time to figure out a proper spirituality to deal with their shortcomings. And when you have those spiritual tools, you can psychologically deal with almost everything you can expect to happen.
Industrialization came way too fast to adapt to it immediately.
>>67180805
Go away Dad
>>67177646
Why does industrialisation lead to the betterment of humanity?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx%27s_theory_of_alienation
>>67177646
Its deindustrialization which is causing our problems, including depression.
>>67177646
Michael Shannon should play him in a biopic.
>>67180047
In an odd twist, the apex of industrialization now gives workers their time back and with the excess hours they now do drugs, watch porn and post on 4chan.
Where is the red button? I want to press it.
>>67180641
Didn't say it did
>>67182147
We are in the late decay period of western civilization. Trump, political gridlock, depression, high rates of degeneracy among the common people, all are symptoms of an ailing soul.
These miseries need an outlet if the underlying causes are ever to be solved. Trump is one such outlet. On all sides of the fence, people are expressing the things they feel which are uncomfortable to say. They have to express them now. We are accelerating on our path to the turning point.
This state of affairs must burn to the ground before anything new can come from the ashes.
It's worth adding that western civilization has always been volatile. The coming fireworks are sure to be tremendous. It will humble the women and make men out of cucks. It will be a glorious spiritual exodus.
>>67177646
If you follow Maurizio Lazzarato's interpretation of Guattari and Deleuze, the purpose of industrial capitalism is to organize the world like a giant factory, "producing" as efficiently and reliably as possible. The framework is designed around assessing the value of an object and finding a way to maximize its output in the system. When this concept is applied to human capital (people), less tangible traits like empathy are valued less than known quantities like intelligence or strength, and people are sorted into mechanically-useful societal roles like cogs in a machine. Stereotypes (a phrase referring to an old method of printing copies) and expectations are reinforced to prevent any one piece from becoming unsuitable as a replaceable part.
In short: The industrial economy works best when inputs and outputs are simple and controllable, so humanity is shoehorned into being simple and controllable, at the expense of a healthy sense of self.
>>67177646
Because we are alinated from nature
t. Coleridge
>>67184771
Nature sucks. There is nothing in nature that is a comfort to man or that wishes to make him happy, which is why we have had the good sense to get as far from it as possible.
>>67181862
This.
http://moralinefree.blogspot.com/
Check out top posts "The Divinities" and "The Legible Individual".
>>67177646
no Socialism does im a victim
What I got from Ted was this:
>high population density causes oversocialization, aka
>being in the constant presence of so many others, all of whom enforce impossible-to-meet societal norms on you, means you'll naturally internalize your ineivitable failures
I bet Teddy would have something to say about social media today
>Because you now think yourself inferior, you tend to relate to people society presents as inferior (nigs, fatties, women, etc), and despise people society presents as superior (white cis males)
and thus modern leftism was born
Yes, I read the whole thing, but this is the part that struck me the most as correct
>>67177646
when i stopped denying my instinct everything cured
fight fuck feed
gym girls gash
drugs drink destroy
>>67185496
How do you get your "destroy" fix?
>>67185484
THIS
>>67181862
I don't see why we should have evolved to be happy but it definitely makes sense that industrialisation just happened too quickly for us to cope
>>67185484
Certainly. Modern Leftism seems to be based entirely on taking advantage of people's inferiority complexes.
My own righwing tendencies have correlated directly with an increase in self-esteem and general mental health after taking up sports and adopting healthier practices in general
Modern leftism obsesses over a promise of false individualism. you see it among the youth, who all want to be "individuals" but display this through adopting prefabricated "rebellious" styles and piercings/tattoos and the like. They reject the right and criticize it for being 'dehumanizing' and taking away one's individualism because they are not confident enough in their own personalities to stand out when they display unity with others.
>>67185711
Sand castles, go shoot out some windows of an abandoned factory.
>>67186251
>I don't see why we should have evolved to be happy
I wouldn't say that, but in nature things with time find a sort of balance. Take those stone age peoples that are still left in Oceania or in the amazon forest I guess. While they certainly know pain or sorrow or unhappiness, I don't think they have rates of depression as high as ours, if they even have depression at all.
Their struggles are likely deeply internalized as part of the natural way of things, they have their place in their world figured out and likely believe in some sort of "end-to-all" beliefs. None of them suffers from nihilism I suppose.
>>67187172
maybe I misunderstood your post then because this sounds like something I can agree with entirely
>>67183817
you read Spengler?
>>67186256
I'm having a brain fart (long day) and am a bit confused what you mean by this. Are you saying that essentially they show their "individuality" by fitting themselves into styles such as emo, goth, punk, etc. because they are not comfortable to stand out as their true personality?
>>67177646
Repetiveness
Lack of sport
Lack of exterior stimulis
Lack of perpectives with the 3*8
Destruction of the family
Some minors things : end of history, no famine, no wars
Drugs who increase addiction to other drugs
>>67189127
My post isn't written so well, sorry, but yes, that's mostly what I mean. Movements of true unity (nazis) they are scared by because they do not believe that they would be seen as individuals while being part of a movement that treats everyone as part of a united cause.
>>67177646
It breeds anomie
Check it out
>>67182590
>do drugs, watch porn and post on 4chan
Three great ways to deal with boredom
>>67190069
oh, then I totally agree
>>67188197
Yeah, I borrowed heavily from Spengler. He had good ideas.
IMO the grass is very dry and the climate is begging for a wildfire. I didn't expect what is happening now 8 years ago, so my expectations have already been subverted. I could be wrong but I doubt it.
>>67177646
It's really easy to understand
The human brain is made to be sad
Happiness takes up way more energy than sadness
It's just not efficient to be happy so it's a rare high for your brain
In the past though you could blame your sadness on very legitimate causes such as your sixth child's death to disease or the loss of your crop that season
Nowadays though all your base needs are covered so you get sad about petty things such as wanting something you don't need and can't have and this leads to depression
>>67179156
>quoting a known terrorist
please dont
>>67179979
Which documentaries, friendo?
