Redpill me on the Nanjing Massacre
Did it really happen? Or is the equivalent of the Chinese "Holocaust"?
>>67073942
Hirohito did nothing wrong
>>67073942
the japs were good boys. they dindu nuffin d e s u~
>>67076379
No. I'm aware the Japanese did horrible things, not only on China, but on other occupied territories. But was it as brutal as portrayed by the media? As horrific as Iris Chang's book chronicles it?
wouldn't be surprised if it was 100% true. Japanese religious belief at the time gave them the moral authority to do pretty much anything to the rest of the world.
even a cursory understanding of State Shinto will make this clear to anyone.
>>67073942
it happened but not on the scale that was claimed.
>>67073942
NANKING NEVER HAPPEN AMERICAN PIGGU
It happened, but it wasn't ordered from the top.
The military top brass specifically gave orders to be respectful and avoid alienating the population.
The problem was the lower ranks were full of ultranationalist extremist radical officers who were proving difficult or impossible for their superiors to control and wanted to punish the Chinese.
These same elements attempted two coups, one in 1936 and one when the final surrender was underway in 1945 and assassinated many influential people who showed signs of weakness and through this coercion had a major influence on Japanese policy throughout the war as they had to be appeased .
>>67073942
Probably.
I'd say Chiang Kai-shek's scorched earth tactics probably caused more death and destruction, though.
>>67073942
john rabe
>>67073942
You Americans help protect those people responsible for Unit 731 etc. What do you think?
>>67077658
But if the military commanders ordered to be respectful to the natives, then why was the harsh treatment from the IJN commonplace on all the conquered territories?
>>67073942
Japanese war crimes tend to be cartoonishly exaggerated, like the Bataan Death March where apparently 21 000 allied POW died marching only 60 miles
>>67078091
So, terrible things did happen, but they were exaggerated. Even Iris Chang's claims?
Jap version
>we did nothing wrong, isolated incidents, not man dead
China version
>all a part of japan's plan
>300k dead and raped
Real version
>50 to 100k dead
>not planned by Tokyo, actually highly embarrassing and hurt Japan's international standard
>mostly Army's fault
>kmt forces did a lot of the raping and looting as they left
>>67078364
Atrocities definitely occurred but giving people an open license to say bad things about their most hated enemies usually doesn't result in the most accurate of information, especially when you're writing about events that occurred 50+ years ago, some of Iris Chang's claims like 80 000 rapes and a death toll of 430 000 are pretty much logistically impossible
>>67079101
Ok. So, as always, the vanquished gets portrayed as evil incarnate.
The thing is, why did the Japanese didn't even try to get on the conquered population's good side?
>>67073942
It was so bad hardcore nazis at the time spoke out against it.
>>67079675
I'm inclined to agree with>>67077658
Japanese generals were stupid enough to leave a bunch of low ranking ultra-nationalist officers in charge of the occupation of an entire city, keep in mind in many other countries the Japanese army were welcomed as liberators from western colonialism so Japs were definitely capable of occupying foreign cities without committing genocide
>>67073942
Chinese shits getting what they deserve. I'm sad that Japan lost. Now China is unstoppable
>>67073942
Japanese fucked up.
They should have tied the people in one place and bomb them instead. That way, no law will be broken. American way.
>>67080085
This
the nazi ambassador sent a letter to hitler saying the japs went too far
>>67073942
yeah pretty much it all happened the way mainstream history says it did. Imperial japan was awful and they beat the shit out of the poor rice farmers who were their neighbors, killing almost half as many chinamen as Mao,
Pretty much got away with it too
It did happen. Nips were fucking savages. Excessively harsh discipline methods from their officers turned the troops into monsters whenever they were allowed to cut loose.
>>67077473
this is not Estonia
>>67081294
sorry
Based on the crazy shit they did with their kamakazi attacks against Pearl Harbor, I'm going to be inclined to say yes, it did happen.
>>67081666
>kamakazi
>at Pearl Harbor
wat
By the way, if anyone else has more WWII propaganda posters, do post them here; I'm a sucker for those.
>>67073942
More horrific than what the Nazis did to the jews
non-whites tend to barbarism which is why there were 20 million killed in this war
>>67081954
I fucking adore pseudo-primitive post-Art Deco stuff.
Pic not an example of same.
>>67083399
Gotta shut it down
The goyim know
>>67083635
No, I'm talking about WWII propaganda posters in general.
>>67083829
Sure thing m8
>>67073942
I partially doubt it
If they really lacked that many morals I could believe the germans did that stuff too, and we all know the germans didn't
>>67073942
I wouldent doubt it if it was true, however I don't think we should feel bad for the Chinese. You gotta remember that 150,000 people dead is like a penny to China. They have so many people, that even though Mao killed 70 million, they still have the highest population on earth (however I think the poo in loos will surpass them pretty soon)
>>67077120
still better than the great leap forward
>>67084532
I am actually thankful to the Jap. They redpilled us with massacre. Things will only be learned through hard ways. Not for hatred but for recognizing the cruelty of the world and never getting behind.
>>67084363
It's done. There are photos. But the number might be exaggerated as we only have a rough estimate.
>>67073942
>Or is the equivalent of the Chinese "Holocaust"?
THE AXIS WAZ GOOD BOYS!
We should've killed chinkroaches all.
>>67085059
Taijun sama... This way I'll lead you
>>67073942
I was lucky to own katana used there by smb in third division. Had to sell, handle broke off due crack near handguard but there was some strange feel when wielding it, some uneasiness I would say, more accented fell than holding ww2 machine gun or bayonet.
