Why don't Liberals realize that they are becoming and encouraging the thing they fear most?
>Don't want independent thought
>Any thoughts that aren't by the media are heretical
>Showing aggression to a race of people due to ancestry and beliefs is encouraged and applauded
>Government run schools, universities, work programs
>Follow leaders based on feelings and not aptitude or rationale
Would ironic be the best word for this?
If liberal or far left please bring your opinions here. I honestly want to know how you can believe in your ideology while also encouraging violent riots, lies, slander, and defamation.
>>67072062
Ironic, hypocritical....
They don't live in reality. Clinging to ideology without practicality.
>>67072062
Because they are nice to the poor and disadvantaged, it doesn't matter.
Look to the core of any liberal argument and it will eventually go back to that. They are Robin Hood and stealing is fine as long as unions get more protections, the prisons are full, and the taxes and free benefits surpass the national budget many times over.
A free nation is a nation in chains.
>>67072062
>Useful Idiots
>>67072062
good point
>>67073456
They think giving an alcoholic a beer is kindness...
it is... the greatest cruelty.
>>67072062
>calls Trump Hitler
>supports Bernie "Rigged Economy" Sanders
>picture fucking related
Liberals are idiots
>>67072062
>the thing they fear most
Anon, you don't understand.
They covet tyranny. With their hearts and minds, they crave it.
But only if they control it.
>>67072062
Sorry, were you talking about liberals or conservatives? Because it sounds like you are describing conservatives
>>67074144
Deflecting is not a valid counterpoint.
If you disagree with my point, please go into detail and refute me
>>67074596
That isn't deflecting you massive retard, that is demonstrating a different viewpoint
Go buy a fucking dictionary
The new left is very different from the old idea of liberalism. The new left doesn't want independent thought, or racial equality, or justice, or any of those noble ideas. They are fundamentalists of a strict and tyrannical ideology. The white guilt they feel is real, and it's as strong as any medieval Christian's guilt, and like the medieval Christian it's not good enough that they themselves feel it, they need everyone to feel it. The only way is through force. That's why they want to control every aspect of our lives. That's why they want to quash any speech they find subversive. That's why they follow feelings and don't listen to reason.
They don't care about those ideas, they never have. They're a different breed than the old liberals. They only care about their guilt, and making everyone feel just as guilty as them.
>>67075011
chill the autism breh
>>67072062
>liberals
>logic
>reason
>>67074144
>>67075011
You seem upset. Did your daddy fuck you? Did you love it?
>>67072062
'cause the people they've chosen as the people who they will get to vote for them, have lowered in IQ as the years go on. Throwing away whites, gaining blacks, gaining mexicans, gaining arabs who come from majority inbred nations. None of the countries they fled from had free speech, along with all having extremely low IQ levels.
Friend, take it from someone who lives in the Saudi Arabia of liberalism: It was never about freedom or tolerance or anything, it was about being in charge.
>>67074144
>antifa promotes fascism by shouting down "fascists", who don't shout them down or go to where they speak and silence them
>>67075304
>>67075699
>defending idiots masquerading as leader of the debate team
>>67072062
I honestly don't understand how people can be so fundamentally detached from reality.
I was a line-towing liberal for 20 years, and I still can't explain why I believed in all the bullshit I did. I think it was just because that was the way I was raised. I never questioned it until I started reading alternative media.
>>67072062
Because liberals are stupid
/thread
The pendulum has swung. Liberals are full fucking retard. It's pathetic.
>>67076248
Most liberals are upper middle class whites who only know a handful of nig nogs and other minorities whose parents are doctors and lawyers. Even in Memphis, most of the liberal kids I went to high school with were in all optional and AP courses, so they were separated from the nogs unless it was lunchtime. Then they all left town and grew massive superiority complexes while living in 98% white areas.
>>67075011
>>67076086
Deflect
to cause (someone or something) to deviate from an intended purpose.
I.E. "she refused to be deflected from anything she had set her mind on"
In the context of this thread you are deflecting the question away from its original intent of discourse in an attempt to misconstrue the question.
But don't worry, under the guise of humor and feigning disinterest you'll surely be perceived as the wiser of the two of us.
tl;dr congrats, you know how to shitpost
You still haven't refuted my post though
I have attached an image that expresses my current mood.
>>67076714
I don't know how to explain the libs who live in Midtown and get mugged all the time. No idea how you can maintain that kind of cognitive dissonance with nigger shit everywhere you look.
I read this the other day
>"If one wished to proclaim the equality of all those who bear human features as an ideal, instead of establishing it as a fact, this would be of little help. The abstract utopia would be all too easily reconcilable with the most devious tendencies of society. That all human beings would resemble each other, is exactly what suits this latter. It regards factual or imagined differences as marks of shame, which reveal, that one has not brought things far enough; that something somewhere has been left free of the machine, is not totally determined by the totality.[...]"
>This is exactly the dynamic we're seeing today. Blacks do worse than whites in segregated schools? We must integrate. They still do worse? We must take affirmative action. Still not working? We must educate about structural racism. Still nothing? Then whites must be carrying an invisible knapsack of privilege that gives them unfair advantages. Now any measure to rectify this situation seems appropriate. Failure to achieve equality just means we have to try again and harder this time.
>Of course, what Adorno as a generic anti-totalitarian couldn't predict was the consciously anti-white bent this egalitarianism would take. Nowadays, factual differences are marks of shame if they apply to white people, but praiseworthy heritage if they can be attributed to any other group.
>>67076833
>[...] after the revolutions of 1848, the continental bourgeoisie took a decidedly conservative turn, which manifested itself philosophically in two main ways, according to Horkheimer. First, it abandoned of the universal regulative ideals that had guided it during its heroic phase. The positivist attack on metaphysics was directed not only against religious concepts such as God or the eternal soul, but against transcendent ideals of any type, even progressive ones such as universal rights, human dignity or a just society. Second, it entailed a corresponding loss of self-reflexivity. [...]
>The positivists believed they could dispense with abstract universals and self-reflexivity because they were convinced that scientific rationality and its concrete application would lead not only to ever-increasing control of nature, but also to constant improvement of the conditions of human life. They believed, as one of the early defenders of modern positivism, Saint-Simon, put it, "the state of affairs which is most favorable to industry is ... the most favorable to society," and that, therefore, science should be primarily the "science of production."
>This is more or less still the view of those who have replaced religion with a metaphysical belief in science: that value-free scientific inquiry into material improvement is the best and only guide to continuous social progress, and that an unspoken utilitarianism behind this scientific effort is the rational mode of organizing society.
>It is, in a way, an ultra-conservative view that would like to freeze existing power structures and just add a few more gadgets as time goes on. In the 19th century, that would've meant obscene wealth for a few and crushing poverty for the masses, sweetened by the occasional mass-produced invention. Today, it means secular liberalism, open borders and bowling alone, sweetened by the occasional mass-produced invention.
>>67076924
http://mpcdot.com/forums/topic/8767-culturally-appropriating-the-frankfurt-school/
Just read it. It explains a lot.
>>67072062
Save your breath. Don't waste the calories typing threads like this.
Liberals are NOT self-aware. They think YOU are the stupid one, and that it's their job to "educate" you. And if you resist they'll attack you, because they're irrational children. The mere act of rejecting their opinion is seen by them as a direct assault upon their person, which is why they always respond with violence. Resorting to violence with knee-jerk impulse is a sign of gross immaturity.
Liberalism can therefore be summarized as stupid people thinking they're smart people talking down to other people.
>>67072062
jar jar binks was a sith lord, a sith fucking lord to be revealed in the third movie, and lucas chickened out, HE FUCKING CHICKENED OUT IT COULD HAVE BEEN GLORIOUS
>>67077063
This has been my experience also.
>>67076813
So you'll have to tell me what part of anything I said was a deflection, because I at no point try to deviate the subject. In fact not only do I stay on subject but I ask a question directly related to the subject
So actually in the context of this thread you are still a massive retard
>>67077690
Why won't you answer the question anon?
It's almost as if you keep focusing on irrelevant things instead of answering the question.
>>67078239
It's almost like you now know you're wrong but now are clinging to something else
>>67072062
Socialist here, though not sure if I fall into the same catagory as the sjw's in your dogshit country.
>Don't want independent thought
I want critical thought, when looking at your country, I think both sides are merely being emotional shitstains that make decisions based upon their feelings.
>Any thoughts that aren't by the media are heretical
I am completely opposed to all media and instead only using the media to draw my attention to a specific subject at which point I always look the subject up and study it myself and every time think the media is full of itself. Though that might be because the media in Australia is owned by conservatives. Who knows.
>Showing aggression to a race of people due to ancestry and beliefs is encouraged and applauded
I don't see race, only each individual can be judged correctly, not groups. That said the aboriginals in the country while I do sympathize with them, for the most part they are responsible for their own problems.
>Government run schools, universities, work programs
Government schools and universities, perfect. Work programs? Perhaps, but only when there is a shortage of jobs in the private sector. Having a government's guiding hand over some private sector areas can help direct capital in the right direction, so that's an area with some leg room.
>Follow leaders based on feelings and not aptitude or rationale
In Australia it seems that those are the most found atributes of the right-wing conservatives, who seem to be shut down by facts left and right and run around with their fingers in their ears. I suppose that description fits anyone that goes further from the centre. The Greens here probably fit that bill too, but I don't look at it that much.
>I honestly want to know how you can believe in your ideology while also encouraging violent riots, lies, slander, and defamation.
Slander and defamation are just excuses for the wealthy and powerful to halt criticism.
The anarchists here actually protest when they threaten to cut welfare. Will someone explain this to me
>>67078785
Please answer the question listed in the opening post. I know you might have a problem knowing which post that is. It's the one at the very top
>>67078851
Thank you for your insight. I actually agree with most of it, though based on my own countries government run programs, they are usually worse of and subpar when compared to the private sector, though each country is different. Every time the government has done something to education it's made everything worse, which is why I can't support free schooling, as it will definitely lead to a harsh decline in our already lacking educational system
Why do conservatives like fighting strawmen so much?
>>67073456
Being nice to them is not humane, they just want a voting bloc so they can retain their power and benefits.
Their MO is power and using a large number of disenfranchised people allows them to get it easily.
