Is it much diffrent from tradational socialism ?
All the edgy middle class hipsters at my university are these people
Basically, syndicalism promotes workers unity and that workers directly control the workspace, the idea being that this creates maximum efficiency.
Anarcho-syndicalism then is there is no boss, everyone is the boss of the work place. It fails because there is no boss/leader creating a guiding path to follow.
Syndicalism proper was actually instrumental in the rise of Italian fascism (although the spirit/concept of fascism is older then the name and movement called fascism)
Basically it can be a very efficient system but removing a leader gives it the same problems democracy has, a very slow drawn out process for the most simple and easiest tasks.
I'm actually for the application of traditional syndicalism to the government itself. Not to the economy but to how the government works internally.
>>67010004
>Is it much diffrent from traditional socialism?
What do you mean by 'traditional socialism'? Which tradition?
>All the edgy middle class hipsters at my university are these people
That should tell you something.
To elaborate how syndicalism works economically, basically the workers unions get full control. You can imagine how this increases inefficiency and skyrockets waste.
However syndicalism when met with nationalism is quite beautiful.
It does not say "rich help the poor" it says "men help yourselves, work with those like yourself and work towards the best"
This is why national syndicalism is far more effective to any other form, any other form of syndicalism promotes endless waste and ineffiency at the expense of the entire nation, eventually causing collapse even in their ideal theories.
>>67010678
He means the original Marxist socialism.
>>67010968
Actually, the USSR is more divergent from the original Marxist socialism than worker self-management. Lenin made up shit that he pretended to be derived from Marx, furthering his personal agenda.
>>67011443
Oh totally, and Stalin had a pretty divergent set of beliefs from Marx also.
Doesn't change the fact that most people when they think of socialism in theory they think of Marx, but when they think of socialism in practice they think USSR.
>>67012322
I can't put my finger around what set of beliefs Stalin must have had
Was he a pragmatist? Was he close to fascism? Was he a lunatic? Was he a really orthodox Marxist? I don't know.
>>67010004
They don't want to call themselves commies because the USSR was evil but they still want to commies. Then they can just say "oh the USSR was a statist regime blah blah blah not real socialism". That's why they are all anarcho-X.
>>67010968
Socialism predates Marx
>>67012845
Basically he was a fascist who took power in a communist regime.
Fascism is pragmatic so it can adapt to any economic model.
But yeah in practice he was a fascist, and he's largely the reason for the good aspects of the USSR.
>>67013178
According to Marxist theory, technically yes.
and welfare begins in Nordic nations.
But the formal theory and system known as socialism was formalized and ultimately devised by Marx, he liked it similar to what ancient tribes had/have.
But his is still the original form of the set of theories.
>>67013178
Gay agrarian socialism.
>>67012845
If you ever get the chance, look up George Kennan's Long Telegram that he sent to the State Department explaining how Stalin's policies followed the general beliefs of the Russian people going far back. Socialism in One Country seems like a very Russian view imo.
>>67010004
Do they seriously use black and red as their primary flag colors?
Its like the edgy specul OC of philosophy flags. I don't even need to know what it is to know its bullshit held aloft only by teenagers and man children.
>>67013811
Black has always been the color of anarchism and red represents socialism or communism.
>>67010004
Cringe-worthy pseudo-intellectualism.
I doubt any of these "anarcho-syndicalists" have ever organized any self-managed worker's union. Heck, I doubt they even take part in the British Co-Operative movement.
They are just a bunch of LARPers cosplaying as trendy revolutionaries. In the end, their real politics involve expanding the government power so they can have jobs in the bureaucracy.
>>67013521
Okay, I will check it. Indeed, I've heard that Stalin was/is generally loved in Russia.
>>67014118
He's considered a literal saint by some.
>>67014259
Well he is a personification of Strong Will, as was Hitler, so maybe there is something divine in that.
>>67014688
Checked. Hitler dubs while mentioning Hitler.
