>Taxation is theft!
There are people that actually believe this.
It's more of an extortion.
>the death penalty is murder!
Think of it this way.
Youre paying rent. You get to live on the land but you need to pay rent in the form of taxes to the state.
>>66965127
You mean the government owns the land?
>>66965371
#yallquaeda
>>66964801
it's like serfdom, but the serfs no longer even have a means of production, so the handlers give them paper tokens to trade amongst themselves.
>>66965127
That's retarded. My landlord doesn't charge me more money simply because I make more money.
I'm going to have to try that one. give me a sec.
>>66965901
Your rent depends on the local market. So yes they do.
Also
>Hate the state
>Want the state to protect your property
>Only the state recognizes your property
>>66964801
It is though.
But it's necessary, like abortion.
Taxation is coercion "the threat of violence, if you dont pay". As old mate said, its extortion more than theft
>>66964801
Try not paying your taxes and see if they are voluntary
The people who believe taxation is theft are so few in number they are irrelevant. Roads, emergency services, public safety, not being invaded/overrun.
> These are the same people who complain about immigrants. But cannot figure out how to pay for border control.
>>66966785
>who believe taxation is theft
>implying it's just a belief and not an analytically true proposition
>>66966364
>Only the state recognizes your property
>Neighbours do not recognize your property
strange.
>>66966785
Just because it's theft doesn't mean they aren't necessary.
>>66967175
>implying it's just a belief and not an analytically true proposition
This leaves me little to work with. It falls apart under analysis so it's simply faith? What?
>>66967310
Listen, son, the state owns the land. They only let you use it.
>>66967802
theft implies crime. crime is never necessary.
>>66968180
Of course it is. Abortion is technically murder, but without it we would have even more rampant crime rates, higher welfare demands, higher incarceration costs...
Taxes are indeed theft. But having things like a judicial system and emergency services are essential.
Soldiers murder people by the truckload, have throughout history.
None of that is ever necessary?
>>66964801
Only income tax is. Im ok with other kinds of taxes.
It is extortion. The state takes my money without my consent and spends it on things I did not agree upon. If I don't agree with what the taxes are being spent on and dont want to pay them I will eventually be sent to jail.
>>66968180
Are you saying that the moment the state fails my community of 20,000 will collapse into a civil war?
The EU is going to collapse but that doesn't mean the end of property rights, if anything it means the stronger defence of previously held property.
You are not a part of the property-wielding class. You will die at 90 from a treatable illness while you wait in the welfare line with everyone else.
If you support taxation, that means that you want to shoot Stefan Molyneux.
Worded that way it sounds funny but in a way it's true.
>>66968400
Nice doubles.
Your justification for abortion is totally wild. But I'm not sure that is murder exactly. Probably though.
Soldiers nowadays need permission to murder. It's kind of complicated. If you do it wrong you can go to jail for war crimes.
However this taxation is a necessary crime thing is totally meaningless, what does it say if anything? Should the government steal more for greater public good or steal less and have society sink or swim? Calling it stealing adds nothing to the how much should the government steal debate.
Frankly I think the government should steal lots more, and give the public things to be proud of. Compare a NYC subway to the Moscow one.
>>66964801
But it is. Taxes are absolutely, without a doubt, completely retarded. What is the government doing with the money anyway besides building more useless fucking planes for billions of dollars?
Fuck you, and fuck the government.
>>66965371
The own a right to tax it and expropriate it.
>>66969089
roads, army, police, prison ...
>>66969263
Not my problem.
>>66968946
>Abortion
It is wild, but a harsh reality. And it is murder, you're ending what would become a human life in a matter of months. Still necessary, though.
>calling it stealing adds nothing to the debate of how much the government should steal
Never said it did, as it's based on opinion anyways. I'm simply saying that taxes are theft.
A Stalinist and a Libertarian Capitalist are going to have very different viewpoints on how much the government should steal. Neither of them are right, nor wrong. Its just opinion.
>>66969263
>muh roads
wow a flattened piece of land, what an enormous feat how could people possibly do this without government?!?
>>66964801
Tax money to subhumans who have kids for tax money and wars for Israel? Theft.
Tax money to fund productive projects such as infrastructure? Patriotism.
See, you're just as myopic as the con-servatives, faggot.
>>66969263
Government doesn't build roads, contractors do. The community could skip the middleman and pay the contractors directly. You don't need a government for roads. And private prisons are a thing here.
Military however...you're spot on.
Stop what you're doing /pol/ we're doing an age poll.
24.
>>66969414
>>66969554
It's not just roads, anons.
It's uniformity.
Do you remember what trains were like before standards were set by government regulation?
Trains competed by gauging their tracks differently.
Government provides for easy enforced uniformity and denies individual actors from breaking from the mould in order to gain an advantage.
