Give me one good reason why the state shouldn't raise children instead of two random people who decided to have sex.
hitlerjugen is a good example
Because the last thing we need is a world of wage cucks
>>66801627
political indoctrination
>>66801826
Don't be stupid, society requires workers. Just because you're lazy doesn't mean its a good thing.
>>66801897
That happens anyway. And indoctrination isn't bad if its for a good cause.
>>66802054
Whats that good cause?
>>66802054
>That happens anyway
>so let's do it some more
thats right, lick them boots clean
>>66801627
A revolution would occur you dumbass
Me and my lefty friends had this convo, and we at least all came to the conclusion that mass strikes would occur and if failed, armed rebellion would happen
>>66801627
From my cold dead hands
because thats a pretty fucked up dystopian future? are you really too autistic to figure that out?
>>66801627
So I am guessing you have no experience with government run orphanages. They don't do very well when it comes to raising children and thats putting it lightly.
>>66801627
>the state always knows best
t. Nicola Sturgeon
>>66801627
fuck off plato
>>66801627
>Thinking, that the government raising children would be better then two people raising them.
>>66801627
A True Brit. I agree with you, mang. Let's do it.
>>66801627
the children belong the state not their parents. parents will abuse them anyway and the government will take care of them.
>>66802186
Knowledge. Growth and expanision, consumption, avoidance of pain and civil behaviour. Individual happiness doesn't matter much as long as each human has a goal and motivation.
>>66802268
Its impossible to avoid. Even ascetitsm is indoctrination. Unless a person lives an animal, he will indoctrinated into something at some point.
>>66802508
Not if everyone was for it, and now that people are more distracted than ever, either with work or pleasure, its inevitable. I don't think most people would object to it, if it meant they could stay out with their friends later or work overtime for more money for themselves.
>>66802611
Why? What makes you think you're qualified to be a parent?
>>66803082
We already are living in a dystopian future.
>>66803280
I understand, but that comes from corruption. If we have a state run by competing agency that are impartial, they will always investigate properly, much like how agencies inspect resteraunt hygiene now and are impartial.
>>66803286
It certainly knows better than your average prole, that's why they rule over us.
>>66803393
Oh, how insulting! Being called one of the most intelligent (if the most intelliegent) men on the planet!
>>66803504
>thinking people are good without being forced to be
>>66803280
They raise great soldiers and sex slaves. Go ask the old-soviet countries.
>>66803635
Oh wow, you were being serious.
Wew.
>>66801627
you're autistic arn't you?
>>66803619
>government will take care of them.
so like how government takes care of their people? yeah right.
>>66801627
Where is your hijab you whore?
>>66803635
>Why, what makes you think you're qualified to be a parent?
Go door to door in any city in America and ask this question. Post results. I'll accept whatever the outcome.
>>66804220
That makes everyone wrong, not right. If you went to everyone in the world and asked them where the Universe comes from, they'll all give you some different bullshit answer. Only with science can we determine what is most likely true.
>>66804418
I'd love to take you seriously. But I don't want to insult your intelligence.
>>66802054
>society requires workers
Not in the age of overpopulation
>>66804565
Well, whatever then.
>>66804743
Overpopulation is a meme made up by Jewish University proffesors. In reality, the population of white people is tiny and its shrinking. The world has more than enough resources.
>>66801627
You sound like an autistic edgelord with dystopia-phantasies. You cant win a war against all grown adults, they would not willingly give up their children to random strangers of "the government". It would defy nature and the traditional family-union.
What about soldiers/police officers who enforce the theft of the children? They never would be true parents either. What makes you think they would be loyal to you.
1984
>>66801627
State services are fucking terrible. They are not accountable for anything and their wage and employment are not affected by their performance. State employees are always somewhat corrupt and universally bad at their jobs. If anyone is hired and performs better, they are "rocking the boat" and they are quickly bullied out.
By their very nature, state services cannot be trust with anything more complicated than delivering mail. And even then, private companies and citizens are vastly preferable. What sets the state apart from a private company is that they can act with authority and make demands of people, which may be useful for building roads or delivering mail through country borders, for example.
All you would get is a state claiming children against their will, raising them poorly, and threatening anyone who comments on it.
Muh freedums you fcking pinko
>>66801627
>Give me one good reason why the state shouldn't raise children
Do you fucking see what the state is doing?
>>66803504
>thinks niggers have parents
Prison does a poor job of raising black children. The Government can do a hell of a lot better job, guaranteed.
>>66805176
I'd love a nice cosy council job though.
>>66801627
At what age would the baby be given to the state?
What stops people from fucking and reproducing at an uncontrollable rate ?
What if there are too many babies to the point the goverment can't take care of them anymore?
A few generations into this, what if two people, unknowingly are siblings, and have children?
at age 7 spartans did it
but still unless the state hands the men to the army like sparta it'll be to much kid fiddly
>>66803635
>I understand, but that comes from corruption. If we have a state run by competing agency that are impartial, they will always investigate properly, much like how agencies inspect resteraunt hygiene now and are impartial
>state run
>impartial
Thanks for the laugh anon
>>66801627
What gives the state the right to come take your kid?
>>66802611
desu senpai
>>66801627
Because the state should never have more power than what is strictly necessary. People can raise kids, so the state should not infringe on that ability except in extreme cases.
100 million different methods of parenting are more likely to produce enough exceptional children to move mankind forward.
1 parenting method raising 100 million children will raise 100 million identical children without much variation in skills and aptitude.
>>66801627
>>66801627
Yes, the state should raise your kids.
>>66805050
>Overpopulation is a meme made up by Jewish University proffesors.
Just like job outsourcing? Just like global warming/climate change?
Please bury your head in the sand deeper. At least I won't have to look at your ugly face.
>>66805649
I donno 16 year old "yoing mony nogga$" having a child not good enough example?
>>66805079
>>66805176
>>66805161
>>66805190
>>66805289
You all gone about how inefficeint and ebil the government is, but you completely neglect how much more evil the average citizen is. They all lazy and entitled, and prefer to go "partying" and taking "selfies" instead of raising children. And you're all assuming this is the only change I would make. No-one would rebel because I'd have soldiers with the loyalty of SS keeping them in line and working. Of course they'll rebel if they think everything is too bad, so I'd distract them with frivilous things like alcohol, meaningless accolades given to them on social media and prostitutres, and it would work because most people are too degenerate to care about anything else. The ones who show an interest in rebel will be secretly initiated into the state with me and be given a lavish lifestyle. Or put to sleep.
>>66805435
>At what age would the baby be given to the state
When they're born.
>What stops people from fucking and reproducing at an uncontrollable rate ?
They would be on constant contraception until the state had need for more children.
There never will too many babies, that's not how populations work.
There will be no incest because the government will keep track of people and ensure siblings are sent to different areas and never meet.
>>66805626
I had Sparta in mind when I thought of this. That's how most adults would live too, men and women would be kept seperate until lesure time from 8PM PM until 11PM. Then at bed time they would sent back to their dorms.
>>66805702
Yeah but it hasn't, that theory is wrong because most people today are evil and degenerate.
>>66806158
>job outsourcing
Caused by Westerners being degenerate and having too much leisure time/ work benefits. If people weren't fucking lazy and spoilt and demanded $15 an hour for flipping burgers and worked 12 hours a day, companies wouldn't leave.
>>66806422
>people should work 12 hours a day for pennies and should be grateful to even get that!
This is exactly why your empire failed.
>>66806422
>How evil the goverment is but not how the average citizen is worst
The average citizen will mimd his own bussiness until you threaten him, the goverment makes a living of systematically fucking over millions of people to fit their agendas and personal achievements.
>>66806422
>Yeah but it hasn't, that theory is wrong because most people today are evil and degenerate.
>my life is shit so it must be societies failings not my inability to compete and attract successful people of value.
lel
>>66806422
>They would be on constant contraception until the state had need for more children.
Mind as well throw selective breeding in there
>There never will too many babies, that's not how populations work.
Without the control that i asked for ^, there would be and that is how populations work.
People would be impregnating on and off
How would you control the constant contraception?
How soon until it is deemed facism or dictatorship and overthrown by the population?
> most people today are evil and degenerate.
And what stops this from turning into a corrupt goverment?
>>66801627
Because the Gov does not own it's people
>>66801627
Yes, but not by this shitty government.
>>66801627
>raised impartially
impossible
We, 1984, and Brave New World demonstrated literally everything wrong with the idea. Unless it's exclusively robots until they're like 12 (Which it never will be), they will always be brainwashed.
>government raises an army of radical social justice warriors itching to suck black cock
Great job Britcuck. Just what we need.
>>66801627
This is one of the jews endgoals in order to stop people from passing on the knowledge of their forefathers, the final step in rewriting history for good.
Anyone who argues for your kids to be raised by the state should be executed.
>>66801627
Because the last people to be raising a child should be the ones providing free gibsmedat to your aforementioned Chad n Stacy
>>66806422
>You all gone about how inefficeint and ebil the government is
My point was that they are just plain bad at working. It's not inefficiency, it's inefficacy. Nothing they do actually works. They're like a vending machine that breaks down every single time you put in money.
It may eat your money, it may fail to drop your item, it may drop the wrong item, or it may be empty. Either way, something is wrong with it every time. If it was inefficient it would cost $2 instead of $1 and it would take fifteen minutes and some banging on the side to drop your item. This is not the government I know, they are not just inefficient but just generally terrible.
At least private companies have an incentive and therefore tend to actually do what you ask of them. Parents are kind of forced to raise their kids even if they don't know what they are doing. A state nanny would gradually try to do less and less work each day while still getting paid, which would result in a lot of hungry, unclean, poorly-behaved, and battered children. As is common in current state services, almost any failing would be blamed on the child rather than the nanny, and they would be constantly met with passive-aggressive punishments to replace almost every possible action a parent could take. I suspect that unpopular children would not only be bullied by others, but totally ignored by the nannies as well.
Consider what would happen to a tween in a scenario where they are constantly surrounded by teenagers and utterly ignored by a spiteful state nanny. They might be raped and beaten viciously every day until they kill themselves. That might sound extreme, but remember that there are NO consequences for anyone involved. Conditions will gradually worsen in every single home because no one will ever be prevented from doing this, particularly the nannies themselves.
It will be a prison for children with no walls and no bars.
>>66807628
Yes it does.
>>66806688
What else should they be doing? People do anything useful unless either money or force is involved. Why do people need 8 hours a day to sit around and do fuck all?
>>66807062
The government fuck people over now because they're run by jews. In a nationalist, imperialist governemnt dedicated to God that wouldn't happen.
>>66807413
It is socities failing? Capitalism is social darwinism, it shows how truly evil people are that they would rather us live like animals fighting each other than submit to the government and contribute a bit more.
>>66807417
>Mind as well throw selective breeding in there
Yeah we'll have that.
>How would you control the constant contraception?
They'll be watched constantly by a secret group like the NSA. And people will live in barracks, not houses. And people will be given money if they turn in someone they know isn't using contraception. If it becomes a problem, we'll just take away their right to meet the opposite sex without a soldier watching.
>deemed fascism
What's wrong with fascism.
>>66807971
1984 and the like a fiction, not reality.
>>66807989
They won't be raised to anything of the sort. And races will be segregated just like the sexes are.
>>66808184
I'm against the Jews, not for them. Its because the government doesn't control more stuff they've got such a hold over everything.
>>66809397
>>66809397
Private companies only work well because the government is so effective at forcing them too. If Starbucks had it their way, they'd just fill the cups with coffee flavoured shit and give it to you, and you'd be none the wiser.Parents aren't forced to raise their kids, they can give them away whenever they want. And Western society encourages degenerate children because of Capitalism. Just look at the stuff like Dance Mom's.
When has any of this so-called "abuse and bullying" ever happened? In Sparta and Hitler's Youth that didn't happen. The consequences will be for the nanny to killed if they don't turn out good. Popular kids won't exist because they'll be removed from the stupid ones and put in a special class.
Man's ineffable free will
>>66810156
>They won't be raised to anything of the sort. And races will be segregated just like the sexes are.
Yea okay, keep making shit up.
>>66801627
>Literal Nanny State
You disgust me
>>66801627
The state and society exist to serve humans, not the other way around.
>>66811053
You're saying like I'm proposing this to you. This is an idea for how the world should be run. So no-one will be raised to suck any dicks aside from the comfort men and women to keep the workers happy. I'll be just like you, a humble worker, or maybe I'd go further in the governement because I already know how everyhting will work.
>>66810156
>1984 and the like a fiction, not reality.
It was a fucking warning more than anything else.
>>66811377
OP btfo
>>66801627
of course it's a britcuck
>>66801627
just because your parents are divorced doesn't mean every other parent sucks
quit being edgy
>>66811278
>implying a nany state isn't better than a degenerate free-for-all
>>66811377
The state is serving the people by keeping them on the right track.
>>66811427
The guy who wrote it was just another degenerate fag. The only reason you would object to the government watching you is because you're doing something wrong. Kind of like those Libertarians who object to the NSA spying on them on the grounds of "muh privacy", but in reality we all know its because they're watching gay porn or something and don't anyone to find out.
>>66811526
My parents aren't divorced, they were never married. And yeah, it does mean they all suck. Go to any city in Britain and look at the divorce rates and single parent households, its something like 70%.
>>66811650
>The state is serving the people by keeping them on the right track.
Forcing people to do things is not the answer. People feel worse when someone else tells them to do something, even if they would do the exact same thing without anyone saying anything.
Rules and systems have to follow and work around human nature, instead of bulldozing through it.
it already does and it's not looking good, so fuck off
just because your parents failed you, doesn't mean all parents do
>>66810218
In Sparta and the Hitler Youth, they were raised by familiar people who looked and acted just like them. This would not be the case in modern countries, particularly the UK and USA.
>>66811875
I don't care how they "feel". No-one ives a fuck how neckbeards feel when women reject them, or how a hobo feels, or how a CEO feels when his stocks drop or how a customer feels when he can't afford a gold hot tub.
>>66811981
Yes it will. I already told you races and sexes will be segregated. They're won't be any difference in opinions because people will be indoctrinated into Christianity when they're raised.
>>66812279
>I don't care how they "feel".
The only possible end goal for a society is population happiness. Everything else is just a means to an end.
>>66812279
I find it funny that you guys always idolize Sparta or the Hitler Youth, but no mention of the Janissaries or Mamluks. All boils down to the same little power fantasy of greating a generation brainwashed to think as you do.
>>66812279
>I already told you races and sexes will be segregated.
First of all, no. You made that up just a moment ago to deflect criticism. More importantly, this would never realistically happen and it would do a lot of damage to the children if it did.
>people will be indoctrinated into Christianity
1 of 1 matches
>>66812413
Not really. Nazi Germany worked very well and Hitler didn't care about they felt. Want to listen to degenerate American music? Off with your head! That's how things run, based on facts and expansion rather than "feels".
>>66812597
No I didn't I said it here over an hour ago >>66806422
It wouldn't do any damage. It didn't do any damage to the Spartans.
>>66801627
"impartially"
>>66812763
Protip: the Spartans are all dead. They were also shoveled directly into the army. They were also very few in number.
>>66812763
>Nazi Germany worked very well
The problem is that you cannot define "doing well" as anything other than the population being content and happy. Now it is true that at the height of Nazi Germany a lot of people were happy and content, that didn't last to long, so I don't think anyone considers that a successful society.
>>66812987
*but that didn't last too long
>>66801627
Dumbest shit I've ever heard.
>>66812763
>It didn't do any damage to the Spartans.
Until the fact they were all indoctrinated and ultra-conservative meant they fell behind as military tactics evolved and they got their shit stomped by a battalion of poofs.
>>66801627
> state
> impartially
You are fucking retarded.
>>66801627
Autism: The Post.
>>66812931
They only died because the degenerate Athenians outnumbered them and they weren't imperialistic. T
>>66812987
Yeah you can. Rats do well as a species but don't live happy lives. They constantly get killed by humans. But their percieverance and hard work pays off and they're all over the world, in many different habitats. Meanwhile, on an island near Australia, free of any predators, lives the Kakapo, a fat parrot that can't even fly and just lounges around eating degenerately all day. There's only 40 left in the world now because they're too lazy to fight back against the cats were introduce by a British lighthouseman. Are Kakapos successful even though they're all happy? No. Success is hard work.
>>66813129
We have science to come up with better fighting technques now.
>>66813129
So, in the end, if Evolution comes down to only Pakis surviving because of some obscure reason, are you Okay with that? Survival of the isn't survival of the best.
>>66802054
>indoctrination isn't bad if its for a good cause.
So hell on earth where peoples children are harvested like plants is a good cause. Gotcha.
>>66813359
>percieverance
Is that the British spelling?
>>66801627
>Give me one good reason why the state shouldn't raise children
Have you ever been to a DMV?
>>66813359
>We have science to come up with better fighting technques now.
>They're won't be any difference in opinions because people will be indoctrinated
Pick one and only one.
>>66801627
I studied child psychology in college and have read several essays on this subject
The USSR attempted such a thing multiple times and every single time it ended in failure
Too many children with too little caretakers, only getting the bare minimum of attention, left alone for long periods of time as babies and toddlers. The children aren't properly socialized, and grow up to be rather anti-social. Typically being violent or socially reclusive.
The best way to raise productive members for the state is through a well-maintained and loving family unit, which used to be considered a strong point for Americans against Russian Communists. State raised children will birth a generation of violent autists.
No one listens to me though. No one listens to well-educated psychologists either, what with the academic field flooded with no-nothing new-aged morons who value their social ideals over cold-hard scientific method.
>>66801627
Get back into your grave Marx you faggot
>>66813422
*Of the fittest
>>66813359
Aren't you a little disappointed in /pol/ OP? They are like hystrionic boomers in essence?
>>66813567
It's not even really necessary to give examples to show why this won't work.
>>66813295
in a world filled with shit post 1 man will rise above all others. when others told him he couldnt compete with canada or australia he would dare to dream
Autism : the post
coming to a 4chin thread near you
>>66801627
kill yourself
>>66813567
Maybe if you quit posting cartoons you fugging nerd
You seriously read the whole thing without understanding what was wrong with the portrayed society in it?
Holy shit /pol/, I think we broke that poor britcuck.
>>66813737
Wait...What the fuck was her boyfriend doing?
>>66801627
Because your plan is disgusting.
>>66813567
This.
Dave McGowan, Programmed to Kill, every single serial killer: not necessarily abused, but always effectively raised by uncaring strangers.
There is also the thesis that both Hitler and Stalin had a whole generation of orphaned boys who were effectively raised to see the Leader as their national and personal father.
It is also established that not having a father is the single most reliable predictor of later criminal tendencies.
>>66801627
I agree with this, but only in the case of the perfect government (i.e. NatSoc). If it was practiced currently we would just end up with every child being a retarded sjw Jewish slave.
>>66801627
we already do that. it's called school and church.
>>66813737
The gang one really fucking pisses me off. Shit is not ok.
Attempted refutations so far: Autism accusations, something-something-Jesus, "muh leftist Animal Farm meme" and plain insults. Gj /pol/. Truly the hivemind of rational thinking. Oh, I forget the guy who took "psychology" classes. Kek
>>66813888
He was so drunk he could barely stand.
The state will raise animals.
>>66810156
So many controls applied to the risk of uncontrolled contraception, why not avoid the risk entirely? Sterilization and artificial wombs?
Of course several with a few presumptions, advanced genetic engineering, people with the "preferable kinds of genes" would have their offspring frozen and stored, yada yada..
>What's wrong with fascism.
Nothing wrong with it, without the fact that you would have to make sure you find that one leader who puts the nation and its development before his own interests which in itself is not something you find easily.
>>66801627
because of the enormous amounts of resources it would take, not to talk about how you would have quite literally the entire population against you including soldiers, officers and politicians who are parents themselves
>>66813678
Yes it is because retards will think their stupid idea is correct unless you give concrete examples of why it's fucking stupid.
Then again, we still have communists
>>66813521
Can't you see I'm typing quickly right now because I have to respond to a lot of people? If you can understand it, then give me a break.
>>66813555
There are opinions in science to differ.
>>66813567
Well clearly not because America is a degenerate shithole where Mothers frequently abandon their offspring to go partying and violent autists shoot up schools all the time while Soviet Russia raised real, decent men. Most of that stuff about it being bad was made up by the Jews to big up Capitalism.
>>66813888
He was a nu-male Kakapo, too lazy and degenerate from years of living the good life to stand up to the lighthouse man's newely introduced cats.
>>66814075
It won't be Natsoc, it will go far beyond Hitler's plans.
>>66814422
Because we don't have artificial wombs. I'm not making plans based on hypothetical technology.
>>66813521
No it's retard spelling.
because parenting style is not a major contributor to life outcomes. It would be a massive pain in the ass for little potential gain.
>>66803635
>Unless a person lives an animal, he will indoctrinated into something at some point.
that's a bold claim. just because you've been indoctrinated into the nanny-state, doesn't mean other people are susceptible, and they certainly shouldn't be forced to because you seem to think your way of life is better than all others.
>>66813359
There is no point in having more stuff or more people if it doesn't make you happier. If you don't see why, you should seriously consider seeing a psychiatrist.
>>66814686
>Yes it is because retards will think their stupid idea is correct unless you give concrete examples of why it's fucking stupid.
This type of smart-assery is what's wrong with the world.
Wait, here comes the punchline:
>Then again, we still have communists
Wew, lad.
I bet every opinion you hold, does stand up to logical scrutiny.
>>66814751
>far beyond Hitler's plans
As in complete them? I'm unsure of what you're implying.
>>66814977
Just because you don't understand what you don't understand, it doesn't mean it isn't there. That's the good thing about indoctrination. If it works, no one will know.
>Tl;dr: You are indoctrinated in complex ways and think that you aren't.
>>66815340
Hitler never planned to raise entire generations of Germans in some sort of horrific state-run eugenics/orphange program like OP wants to have.
>>66815540
I think it really depends on what your definition of indoctrination is.
>>66815540
we had this conversation in the past furfag
I am tired of writing the same essay
>>66803635
I know that I'm supposed to shitpost but..
Britcuck, you have aspergers or something. Go to the doc and get help. You are deluded, and need to spend some time in the real world.
>>66807989 kek
>>66801627
Did you really just try to pass that off as a serious argument you edgy fuckwit
>>66815755
Your current worldview being based on opinion rather than facts, would be one definition. Especially someone else's opinion.
>>66802054
>if its for a good cause.
Yeah, however most of the time .......like 99% of the time it's not a good cause.
>>66816495
I'd say that's a good definition, and that I don't fit the description. I just want to be free to live my life the way I see fit, without a big government fist up my ass.
LITERALLY KILL YOURSELF FAGGOT
>>66801627
Force of habit.
>>66801627
But anon.
The state does raise your children.
While the parents are forced to pay for it.
What do you think school is? You think your children are being educated?
They're being given the minimum to be useful and indoctrinated mostly to be useful to those in power.
>>66801627
You're a kike. There's a good reason, kike.
>>66814751
>It won't be Natsoc, it will go far beyond Hitler's plans.
Fascism is already radical. You're taking nationalist totalitarianism to an even more extreme. Germans under Hitler still had some personal liberties, but what you say: wanting to put everyone is barracks, working all day like machines? Also, degrading intimacy, the most personal of human interactions, into an apathetic means to an end?
I, too, am a statist, and a ultra-nationalist, but this is too far.
>>66801627
Well you did it, just wait.
Someone was monitoring your intenet activity. You came with such stupid idea. It is so retarded that you polititians will implement this idea into reality.
Of course only white children will be taken away so they wont grow up as racist nationalism.
Good job faggot
>>66801627
So the Qunari are /pol/ approved.
>>66820041
Well the US has been talking about it for a while, they might follow
>>66801627
Because the family unit is the basis of civilization and has been since man formed tribes. Destroy the family and you destroy civilization.
>>66801627
This shit is what's wrong with Britain
Someone actually managed to go so far right and extreme that he got /pol/ to tell him to calm down
>>66814751
>Soviet Russia raised real, decent men. Most of that stuff about it being bad was made up by the Jews to big up Capitalism.
Even today, soviet bloc orphanages don't even have names
Just numbers, usually. When US adoptions weren't barred, you couldn't even see where the kids were staying.
Why would u want children raised exactly the same? You're creating robots. How dumb do you sound OP?
>>66823406
I'm not sure how massive government control is "far right." Sounds pretty far left to me. Either way it doesn't work.
>>66820759
Marco pls
>>66801627
>LET'S HAVE A GOVERNMENT SO BIG IT MAKES STALIN'S RUSSIA LOOK LIKE ANARCHO-CAPITALISM
Mother. Of. Fuck.
>>66801627
biology trumps ideology
