Why do people actually use Trump's "small loan of a million dollars" comment against him?
If you actually use this as a way to stump Trump supporters, let me remind you that:
A) You have autism and no friends.
B) It was a loan, which meant he gave the money back.
C) He turned those million dollars into fucking billions.
a loan for undergrad and medical school is close to a million dollars none of those shits become billionaires 10 times over
HAHA U HAVE 10 BILLION DOLLARS UR NOT RICH ENOUGH
cuckold logic
>>66684862
A) Small loan of a million with the backing of his father and reputation
B) Try getting a loan like that without point A)
C) Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, Warren Buffet started with far less and made far more.
Some aren't just over glorified landlords too.
Trump's just not really an example of the "American Dream", he's an example of it working for someone else.
>>66684862
He not only had to pay it back, but pay it back with interest.
>>66684862
Just ask them how they would plan to pay back a small loan of a million dollars and laugh. Uhhh free college der
Can someone please send me a small loan of one million dollars? I'll post my paypal...
>>66685567
Those three stole far more and were far more unscrupulous than Msr. Trump
>>66684862
Go and try to take out a loan for a million dollars as a young guy just starting out. See how that goes.
Its not as easy as "daddy can I borrow a million bucks?"
>>66684862
Leftists can't into business.
>>66684862
because even a million dollars as a loan is exponentially greater opportunity than the vast majority of people and he had lots of other resources to help him succeed, like connections and guidance from super rich people. Bragging about it like Trump was is moronic, except you know, it's not cause morons like you will believe it and vote for him.
>>66685875
Right, but they made more with less. Trumps just a rent taker in essence.
>>66685567
Zuckerburg received $12M+ in angel investments to expand his business.
>>66684862
Because for most people, a million dollars isn't small.
>>66686347
because he made a good business, not because of nepotism
>>66685567
Zuck's parents paid for him to have programming lessons as a young teen, though. Would he have been successful otherwise? Hard to say.
"If your parents helped you, it doesn't count" is a slippery slope at best.
>>66684862
>>66685567
Why does it matter how rich he is or how much privilege he had? How many presidents have we had that were born into wealth and did next to nothing with it besides fund their campaigns and squander tax payer money?
>>66685567
>Bill Gates
stole from Woz and Jobs
>Mark Zuckerbergsteingold
stole from whatever their names were
>Warren Buffet
>glorified charity collector
>>66686088
Have a friend who was in college about a decade ago, hardline leftist.
He literally dropped out of his economics class because, "he didn't understand shit".
Self proclaimed democratic lever puller.
>>66684862
Because he acts like he was an average Joe Nobody at the time he received the money. He received a "small" loan of a million dollars with a side of nepotism and access to expert consultants.
He is a liar that he built his empire on his own. He needed the support and advice from others and the established network his father provided him. He didn't turn that million dollars into billions, someone else did and he sold them the right to use his name because he turned himself into a franchise.
>>66686466
>nepotism
>family business
oy vey
Because the people who do that don't understand the concept of investment. They work minimum wage jobs and spend nearly everything they make on Starbucks and overpriced Apple products, so anything bigger than what's in their wallet (nothing) is an astronomically high amount that could build a city on Mars.
>>66686658
>nepotism
>family business
oy vey
>>66686672
>family business
>Trump deserves all the credit
>>66686347
For having a good idea, not just buying and selling property, hence fitting more that "Dream" bollocks of having an idea and making it work.
What Trump did was carry on that idea of established rich people continuing to be rich.
Your very own Oligarchy! Didn't take long did it, America?
>>66686479
Parents paying for programming lessons, is comparable to your dad already being a multi millionaire ?
>>66684862
Said it in the last thread but it's selfish, greedy turds who think they should have millions dropped in their lap who bring this up.
I would love to see them in the gutter begging for scraps after they blow their money in a year.
It's funny because the way he said it, oh you know just a small loan of a 100(0000) dollars.
>>66686764
>nepotism
>the practice among those with power or influence of favoring relatives or friends, especially by giving them jobs
>favoring relatives
>>66686780
>what is legacy
Want me to tell you how I know you were
raised by a single mother?
>>66684862
The more important detail here is that he completely fucked over one of his first business partners with that money.
>>66686672
>>66686764
if it's a family business then why is he bragging about being born into a successful business like it demonstrates he has value? He's gone bankrupt before too totally fucking up >>66686780
>>66686909
what is legacy? cause it sure as shit sounds like just taking credit for shit you didn't do in this circumstance
>>66686892
this goes for you as well
>>66686909
All you're saying is that Trump is guilty for
working and making his legacy ten times as big.
Ever hear the parable of talents?
It was more than just that loan. His dad was one of 2 guarantors on $70 million dollar loan for the Grand Hyatt in 1978.
He also arranged a $35 million unsecured line of credit from Chase Manhattan.
Also this one too
>ATLANTIC CITY — One of Donald Trump's casinos has admitted that it broke the law and violated terms of its license when the developer's father lent it $3.5 million by purchasing gaming chips when he had no plans to gamble, the state Division of Gaming Enforcement said yesterday.
>Through his attorney, Fred Trump bought 700 gray chips, each worth $5,000, in December so that Trump Castle Casino Resort would have enough cash to make an $18.4 million interest payment on its mortgage, the division said.
http://articles.philly.com/1991-04-09/news/25780577_1_casino-control-act-donald-trump-casino-owners#sthash.5uMj2vzD.dpuf
And then the bankrupt bait gets pulled out
>>66687008
>shit you didn't do
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Havcr-2Kx30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Havcr-2Kx30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Havcr-2Kx30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Havcr-2Kx30
take a look
>>66685110
This.
Anybody who say "Trump underperformed the market" with 20/20 hindsight should have no problem with Social Security being abolished in favor of mandatory investment accounts that are the responsibility of the individual. If it's so easy to turn $1,000,000 into $5,000,000,000. then clearly any teenager could save up $1,000 over a few months and have a sweet retirement fund of $5,000,000 ready by their mid 50s.
>>66684862
>not knowing he made up the story of a million dollar loan
Kek Trump got 40 mill and his first building first business he ever did was buy a building for 10 million in NYC and he took the cash from his dad and when he was broke after his casinos bellied up his dad donated 10's of millions even went to his casino and intentionally lost millions at the blackjack tables to create revenue for his business to pay off interest rates.
You are all gullible retards. Oh and once his dad died he got 200 mill in big part by playing his dad to sign almost all of it to donald in the process fuck over his siblings that now depend on him to make it.
>inb4 trumpbots goes mental and denies all of this that is freely available on the internet by simple google search.
>>66686909
True, but come on, it's hardly a success story that reads well to anyone.
You want to reinvigorate an economy, convince people they can make something of themselves. If you start from this, with that.
It's not quite an achievement in the classic sense.
>>66684862
People miss the subtelty. By making that comment Truml distracted from the REAL scandal - the $400 million he inherited. But when people focus on the additional loan he had to take (lol), that gets forgotten.
Trump is one hell of a slimy manipulator.
>>66686909
I don't care that he has a legacy, but I care when he takes all the credit for it and people eat it up saying "he turned a million into a billion" like it was a miracle.
He turned a million dollars, established networks, expert advisers, and created a method of selling his name to the people who actually build companies into a billion dollars.
Don't lie and say he did it all on his own.
>>66687273
Proof?
Also, weight?
>>66687276
>It's not quite an achievement
I don't really care about another man's finances
but you can probably look up how much he has now.
>>66686785
That's what I mean by "slippery slope". If getting a $1M loan from your Dad means you weren't personally successful, what about if your parents spend $100k on your education? What if they spend $10k for you on programming lessons? When does it stop?
Is there an exact dollar amount you have in mind? "If your parents spend less than $275,000 on you, you're self-made, but a penny more and you're a trust fund brat"?
>>66686318
You are obviously retarded.
>>66687344
>he turned a million into a billion" like it was a miracle
So you are saying that turning a single dollar into a thousand on a 1/1m scale is simple?
You are one silly person.
>>66687535
Heres my theory - if your parents to anything more than pay off loans past the age of 22, then you are a coddled manchild
>>66687535
And it has effect too. I never accept anything
other than food and drink from other people
for the fact that some basket case with enough
support will come after me screaming YOU DIDN'T EARN WHAT YOU HAVE.
>>66687147
oh I didn't realize youtube cosplay jesus was on your side, I rest my case then
>>66687461
But I do if he uses it as an example of his worth.
If sheer financial power is one of his attributes that makes anything he says have credence then same could be applies to anyone else on the US's billionaire list.
If that attribute is not important then what are you left with but some really weird guy who keeps getting pissy online at other candidates.
DONALD TRUMPS DAD PROBABLY COOKED HIM MACARONI SOMETIMES
#priviledge
>>66687653
If your parents provide anything other than food
and shelter until you finish compulsory
education you are a (wo)manchild.
>>66687726
Not an argument.
>>66684862
Because he tries to paint himself as a rags to riches man, when he's a from riches to even more riches man.
>>66687535
Your using a slippery slope to defend someone who would have had access to resources most of the country couldn't imagine ever having to make anything of themselves.
>>66687273
Youre getting the media spun versions of several different stories mixed up you redd.it shill faggot.
>>66687327
>the $400 million he inherited.
In 1999, that was split with his siblings, long after he had established himself as a development tycoon.
Cut the BS. The fact is that even though Donald Trump came from a family that had worked hard to build themselves a reasonable amount of wealth and he took it from there and made it greater. There were plenty of people whose families were richer back in 1960 who had just as much opportunity as Trump and did nothing but sit on their asses and live off of trust funds.
This is the traditional path of success. Each generation is supposed to improve on the situation their parents made for them.
>>66687757
>sheer financial power
I think the fact that he was known for being a
big businessman is much more of an argument
of his than simply the number of dollars he has.
Don't forget that those who work in the economy
ARE part of the economy, and the more they work
and turn the more they helped the economy.
a million dollars is fucking nothing in NY real estate.
>>66687865
you aren't arguing
>>66687551
I am saying it is not as deserving of the amount of praise he gets because they ignore the amount of financial support and advising he had backing him up.
Of course it isn't simple to the average person with no connections, but Trump is claiming it was equally as hard for him as that person when it clearly wasn't. He was literally born to succeed, he could not fail, so the argument "you couldn't do what he did" makes no sense.
>>66688076
Yes I am.
You don't seem to understand the value of growth
so I pointed you to a good friend of mine that is
very good at teaching people about it.
>>66687653
And see, I'd go even farther than that. Personally, I can't even fathom the idea of my parents paying off MY DEBT, at any age. If it were up to me, if your parents have ever paid living expenses past the age of 18, college tuition, a cell phone bill, or any automotive-related expenses ever, or just deposited money into your bank account that you could do whatever you want with, you're a coddled manchild.
But I know not everybody feels that way, and we can't just impose our arbitrary standards on others.
![800px-Mark_Zuckerberg_at_the_37th_G8_Summit_in_Deauville_018_v1[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/q6rt883.jpg "800px-Mark_Zuckerberg_at_the_37th_G8_Summit_in_Deauville_018_v1[1].jpg")
>>66688001
Then I argue back there are far better businessmen who have far more decorum and less of an ego.
And he'd still not be as good as a businessman as Bill Gates or Zuckerberg.
Worth 9 times as much!
>>66688162
>so I pointed you to a good friend of mine that is
>very good at teaching people about it.
that is not arguing you dumb fuck.
>>66688154
>amount of praise
What is the amount?
>>66688154
>Trump is claiming it was equally as hard for him
Proofs?
>inb4 he implied it
>>66688154
>he could not fail, so the argument "you couldn't do what he did"
No, the argument is you aren't doing what he did.
The argument is that, scale aside, you are attacking a man for working.
This is what you're doing. And it's ALL you're doing.
>>66688387
>far better businessmen
Ignoring the fact that the amount of shekels you have
is not the meter for how good of a businessman you are, why do you think that's even an argument? So what if someone made more money than Trump?
Do you want Zuckerstein to represent you in front of the world?
>>66687147
I don't get it. That story hurts your argument.
First, it shows that if you start off with money, you can make more money. Trump can more easily turn 1 million into 2 million because he has enough to lose. Someone with a small amount of money isn't going to risk starving for the sake of investing it because if he loses the only money he has he is broke.
That story makes no sense for your argument because it shows that Trump was too rich to fail and the poor should just giver him their money because they would rather save the only money they had instead of risk losing it.
>>66688999
Could you translate all that into English please?
I'm not even being a bitch I just don't see what
you're trying to say.
>>66684862
Liberals do not address this.
Just like EVERY SINGLE ISSUE EVER, they substitute an alternate history.
>Trump starts with 200m inheritance instead of 1m loan.
>Zero fucking taxes on this inheritance, somehow.
>He should have just stuck all that money into a bank account instead.
>Which would also be subjected to zero fucking taxes, somehow.
>The bank account would have been better than building countless thousands of structures including entire neighborhoods
Bank accounts pay people interest, because banks lend money and CHARGE interest when borrowers want to build or buy real estate. Putting your money into a savings account means you're hiring the bank to hire a property developer, to do what Donald Trump has done himself.
>>66688668
Why Trump If not his shekels?
>>66689381
>hard work and perseverance
This is why Trump.
>>66688427
Since you don't live in America, you don't have to listen to the people in our media endless praise him because he turned a million into a billion without mentioning his financial support.
>the argument is you aren't doing what he did
Sure thing just let me go down to the bank and ask for a small million dollar loan and get all my father's expert financial advisers on the phone to establish an estate empire.
>you are attacking a man for working
I am attacking a man for claiming credit for ALL the work
>>66689250
How stupid are you tho
its plain english
>>66689726
Alright.
>>66689587
You don't smell the irony and hypocrisy of someone that never had to do anything they didn't want to?
Never had to worry about what avenues in life were open to them?
>>66689250
That story is summed up by:
>Man with 5 shekels turns it into 10 and is praised
>Man with 2 shekels turns it into 4 and is praised
>Man with 1 shekel saves it and is scolded and told to give the money to the man who had 10 shekels
It teaches that only the rich can get richer and that the poor deserve to be scolded for saving the only shekel they have left.
So I am not sure how it helps your argument which I have completely lost track of.
>>66689738
It is in English, I can understand the words but
I see no context underneath them.
>>66690084
>someone that never had to do anything they didn't want to
You are aware we are talking about a man who is running for presidency of the _US_ right?
>>66690280
is english your first language?
>>66690273
>Man with 1 shekel saves it
>saves it
>buries a talent into the ground
>saves
I guess it's a mentality thing, see
>>66688162
>value of growth
>>66690485
Yeah English is our native language here... The
English isn't the problem, the person using it to say
something that makes no sense is.
>>66690280
Yes which is pretty much my point.
Being self funded is a plus, but also sign it's pretty much a negligible lark.
>>66690652
No, he is making valid points which you are weaseling out of by saying "lol i dont understand that doesnt make sense lets move on h-heh"
Its perfectly clear to a native english speaker of average intelligence.
>>66690652
That's funny, I thought it was Serbian, Croatian?
I'm not sure you know what "native" means.
>>66690539
If you have a small amount of money, you can't risk losing it by investing it. There is no bank that exists where you can go and trade one dollar for two. You have to leave the dollar there and bet that it will turn into two before you starve.
There is no value of growth for the poor who can't risk losing their money used to feed and house themselves to investment bankers.
>>66687838
Honestly this desu friends.
>be me
>first job 14
>move out at 18 after high school
>go to college on scholarship and loans
>finish broke/in debt
>FF 6 years own home two cars loans almost gone
One Christmas my parents as a nice gesture offered to put $1000 toward my student loans. I declined.
>tfw I am one of the only people I know who can claim in the slightest to being self-made, and I am more successful than most people I know
>tfw all my friends/acquaintances who had mommy/daddy's help/money are shitty manchilds and/or whores
>tfw autists will call me a wagecuck for this post
The only people who are upset about Trumps million dollar loan, are people who are jealous their parents didn't have more to give to them.
Any self made man looks up to success and aspires, rather than attempts to denigrate.
>>66684862
>Why do people actually use Trump's "small loan of a million dollars" comment against him?
Because it's all they have besides calling him Hitler
>>66688387
Zuckerberg doesn't do anything beside Facebook and the money he's made off of it.
Trump has shitloads of ventures and investments. Some failed. Some thrive. I don't even think Trump should lead the country since being a businessman doesn't equate to having the personality and intellect to effectively run an entire country but this "Trump made some bad decisions that means he's stupid" meme has to end.
Then, on your Bill Gates point, he fucking maintained an essential monopoly in a market for 20 fucking years. Only just now is Microsoft getting it's shit pushed in and it's way after he left. Might as well say Carnegie or Gould were good businessmen.
>>66691121
It is Serbo-Croatian or as muslims like to call it Boshniookian.
>>66691119
>valid points
>sticking your head into the ground is good
>>66691192
>If you have a small amount of money, you can't risk losing it by investing it.
>have
Have being the key word. I at the moment don't
have money for other than basic rent/utilities/food.
I of course do not have money for growth. When I do have it, though, I will not dig a hole and bury it I can
assure you of that.
And that is my argument. It's that simple.
>>66687966
Actually I am not and here is a (You) checked!
>>66691694
So if I gave you a hundred bucks you would go an invest that in a high-risk fund on the stock market?
Or would you invest it in a safe stock where it will be safe but grow much slower?
>>66691403
I wasn't saying he was stupid, just equally as qualified if going by business.
You middle point is what I agree with he's just not president material. He should stay the meme man he is on twitter.
There are other viable competitors and the market spoke, as do /g/.
>>66691839
>So if I gave you a hundred bucks you would go an invest that in a high-risk fund on the stock market?
>Or would you invest it in a safe stock where it will be safe but grow much slower?
Neither. Money is not to gamble it is to work.
>>66691694
You told porkies about the native part.
>>66691951
>he's just not president material
I agree, he's more of a leadership material than a politician.
He'd make a good king.
>>66692049
We are a colony but we aren't that far gone.
>>66691403
Kek, there's been a lot of dumb ass presidents in the White House, it doesn't require much intelligence, it's just pleasing da Jews, media, and super delegates and doing what Congress tells you to do.
>>66692199
One day the 1% of America will actually learn from the old European ways and make serfs of the US yet.
>>66692241
PORKIES!
On a side note, how laughable is Niko Bellic's accent to you?
>>66691694
>When I do have it, though, I will not dig a hole and bury it I can assure you of that.
>I am poor, and instead of saving the money for emergencies I will gamble it by giving it away to investors.
That is really really bad advise. You don't just need more money, you need money you can risk losing. If you live pay check to pay check and get a bonus one month, it would be smarter to put that money away instead of investing it which is akin to gambling to people who can't afford financial advice.
>>66692497
Accent is eh, most sentences being broken was
the laughable part, iirc.
And no seriously we are a colony. The stars on flag quite literally translate to "EU colony".
>>66692524
>I am poor, and instead of saving the money for emergencies I will gamble it by giving it away to investors.
see
>>66692019
You always equate saving with burying into the
ground. Don't do that.
Economy is not a machine it's a river. If you
can't swim and are too afraid of the water you
are guaranteed to drown the moment you are thrown in.
>>66692939
So asset investments? I am not sure what other option there is so enlighten me. Emergencies require liquid cash so don't tell me saving it is a bad idea. If you aren't talking about stock investing then what type of investments are we talking about here?
>>66691756
>reddit detected
>>66693399
You can buy cds and get a marginally higher interest rate for starters. Also if you know what you're doing the stock market isn't gambling
>>66693399
>If you aren't talking about stock investing then what type of investments are we talking about here?
Whatever you do that'll return a profit. I don't know
if you're a professional handyman invest into tools
if you see profit from a specific education invest into that.
If you have enough of course asset investments, start a small business.
Basically aim for growth and think of the future.
