So why does [/pol/] oppose obamacare?
>>66503311
The individual mandate.
its fundamentally against the American ideal of Liberty.. forcing me to buy a commodity is unamerican.. so yah its gone in a year..
A multitude of reason, but firstly...
I don't wish to live a mother fucking nanny state.
>>66503311
>Millions of Americans are paying much more for health care because of Obamacare.
>Millions of Americans have LOST their health care plans because of the law.
>The Obamacare website costs more than Facebook and it doesn't work.
>Obamacare is a terrible deal for young Americans.
>>66503311
Jesus Christ. What year is this? Should I go watch a keyboard cat video?
Because niggers did 9/11!!!
>>66503311
Taxes working people to give kickbacks to insurance companies without actually helping anyone
I'm tired of mansplaining the whole thing. It's in the archives multiple times.
Government being able to force people to buy products from private enterprise.
Before Obamacare
>work 50-60 hours a week and get overtime
>making around 1,800 a month on 9 an hour
>easily covers all expenses and gives me enough to cover insurance np
After Obamacare
>more employees hired
>only will schedule me for 30 hours a week and even still get called off, sometimes only get 16 a week
>only making about 800 a month now
Thanks Obamacare.
The mandate for me as well.
"Hello there, I am selling antique tables for $1,300. Would you like to buy one?"
"No? Okay, that will be $1,700."
You're literally being charged money to NOT buy a product.
>>66503311
there are a lot of reasons to oppose
individual mandate for private insurance
charging young people more, when the disparity between generations is already at record levels
charging men more than women
contributing to an already inflated and unsustainable system and debt
but, all that said, I'm going to tell you why it's actually a good program;
it stimulates jobs in an economy that is in terrible shape (look at the workforce participation rate).
it does actually help some people who were being left in the cold before (see pre-existing conditions)
and most importantly, long-term sustainability is not important since ww3 is coming soon. there is no long term. short term it expands a system that will be necessary to deal with man-made pandemics and chemical warfare we'll soon be dealing with. it won't be enough, but some additional help is better than nothing;
related;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_biological_weapons_program
>>66503311
It's literally just one big fat check for insurance companies to make even more money ripping us all off. Not even liberals should be in favor of this piece of shit legislation.
Everyone should oppose Obamacare. It's the worst of private and government healthcare combined with none of the benefits. It's a government mandate to purchase private healthcare so not only are you forced to have it, but you're forced to do business with private enterprise.
Back in the Sicko era of the America Healthcare debate, the entire narrative was framed around private health insurance denying coverage to people with pre-existing conditions, deliberately so by the left, who thought Americans would sympathize more with people who could afford health insurance but weren't offered it than poorfags who couldn't afford it. So that's the problem Obamacare was entirely designed to fix, where private health insurance made a tradeoff where they would be forced to accept people with pre-existing conditions on the condition that EVERYONE had to do business with them.
Except that's not what anyone really cared about, it was a foot in the door strategy to get real single-payer government healthcare that really didn't go anywhere and now we're stuck with it. It's kind of like weedfags who pretend to care about medical marijuana, and sure, there are some people who could use it but the real reason the vast majority of people pretend to gice a shit about the medical marijuana issue is to get the foot in the door for full on weed legalization.
>>66503618
>I don't wish to live a mother fucking nanny state.
HURRR DURR WE SHOULD JUST LET PEOPLE DIE IN THE STREET
>>66503311
Because it doesn't have Trump's name on it. Guarantee most Trump supporters would support it if it was Trump who came up with it. Guarantee. That's not to say I support it.
>>66503311
>not having insurance illegal making you pay money for not having it.prices are no different than before filled with lies about how cheap it is
>>66503559
this especially when you're paying the fine because you cant afford actual insurance for yourself so you're paying for other people to have it
>>66503311
The individual mandate is a moral evil.
>be in military
>whole family gets free insurance
>never even bothered to learn what Obamacare was
Socialist healthcare and multiculturalism are completely incompatible : see bloated corpse of British NHS behemoth, overran by immigrant scum and health tourists - a complete waste of compulsory taxes
>Required to have Health Insurance.
>Health insurance doesn't cover somethings.
>I only get sick once a year and is just severe allergies.
>160 USD+ monthly for insurance.
>still have to pay doctor 40 USD
>doctor without health insurance costs 80 USD
>allergy shot is only 40 USD
>rather pay full price
>can't because its required or pay fine
>maybe fine is a better option
>fear that I might have glaucoma and that would jew me out for more money since once you go on the meds you are on it forever.
>insurance does not cover eye drops for glaucoma
>heard about one clinic that staff wear casual clothing
>jew you out full price because doctor no longer works there
>insurance becomes a dud
>doctors to lazy to update insurance lists
>maybe its just hypochondria
>insurance don't cover placebos
>fuck dammit
Fuck you Mittens for not trying 2012.
>>66503311
No regular on here refers to this board as [/pol].
Go back to r/sandersforpresident and tell your kiddie-fiddling handlers that I hurt your feelings, you nigger-loving fuck toy.
>>66505328
Why do you liberals knee jerk to "YOU JUST HATE X" when someone doesn't agree with you?
>>66503311
>individual mandate
this is bullshit
>Have had a full time job since 2009.
>Good benefits.
>Have never had to care about Obamandate
>>66503311
not single payer
>>66503311
Its always been illegal for a doctor to let someone die because they cant pay there are no people dying in the streets (at least not a lot of people), and if someone saves your life you owe them your life and if not that then pay the bill its the least you can do
Mandatory insurance made rates skyrocket for companies that offer benefits. Some businesses cut hours to avoid having to give benefits, some cut employees entirely, and some have to just bite the bullet and take the government assisted price hikes.
>>66503311
because some nigger made it
>>66505328
thats always been illegal, go make another strawman
>>66503311
>we need to do something about all the Americans who are too poor to buy insurance
>"I know! Let's make being uninsured illegal and fine the poor!"
It's probably the most asinine piece of legislation since the New Deal era overproduction penalties on farmers.
>>66506430
kek
I have a plan through Healthcare.gov. The site fucking sucks. It was down for almost an entire month and it still can't handle the loads. Anytime an enrollment period comes up, you have to try and log in on off-peak hours. They spent like $2 billion dollars on that piece of shit and the company they initially let start the project wasn't even familiar in that aspect of software development. They then try to develop it with Waterfall model, which is pretty goddamn stupid on something the requirements keep changing. When other groups stepped in to help, all of them couldn't do anything because of stupid government bureaucracy. When it 'launched' they didn't even have any testing tools to see what the site was doing. They didn't even know what their availability was until someone wrote the tools 3 weeks later.
Aside from the site, I have the choice between like 3 plans and they fucking change every goddamn year. I've switched providers every year because the plan changed and the next offering was stupid expensive. The coverage is pathetic. My out of pocket expenses are enough to fuck my world up if something happens.
Basically, it sucks.
>>66507285
you know you don't have to get a plan from there right
>>66507372
Yes, I know. Just makes my life easier switching providers each year.
What are the positives?
>>66507916
None, just cheaper clinical bills but not worth the insurance price if you rarely get sick.
>>66507285
It was outsourced to Canada. Of course it sucks.
Obamacare is the worse. Forcing you to have healthcare, that is too expensive and doesn't cover shit. While penalizing you for not having it when you can't afford it.
The "affordable" part is a scam. Only a select few companies are allowed on the healthcare market. They're not allowed to compete across statelines. So even if Lousiana might have a cheaper plan than Texas, you're unable to pay Lousiana prices for the same coverage. Which encourages price hikes because they have a captive market.
He lied about being able to keep your doctor, and keep your plan. Which turned out to be a lie, because you're unable to keep your plan if it doesn't meet the very high requirements. Like you have to be covered for HPV, ovary cancer, breast cancer, despite being male. It was a one size fits all type approach. So if your old plan didn't have all the mandatory coverages, it was invalidated. Which means you have to get insurance through Obamacare's website.
The website is a complete joke. Most the states rely on the government instead making their own market. So you have a boggle down of the servers. Who thought requiring millions of people to access a website in short period of time was good idea? The heavy load means it's slow on a good day, and unavailable on an average day.
Medicare was suppose to cover a gap which a lot of American fall into. They're too poor to afford insurance from the government. Yet make too much to be on medicare. Most states refused to expand the program, leaving many without insurance or insurance that they can't afford.
Lastly it does nothing for outrageous cost of medicine and hospital fees. Insurance frequently doesn't cover medicine, or if they do they only cover part of it. Hospital bills are still nuts, getting a broke arm fix will run you like $2,000 out of $5,000. It also encourages hospitals to accept only certain insurances. So you have to play hopscotch with hospitals to find one that will accept your insurance.
>>66508694
>So if your old plan didn't have all the mandatory coverages, it was invalidated. Which means you have to get insurance through Obamacare's website.
This is a lie you wont get fined for old plans grandfathered plans are good to go.
The other points I agree with and obama care is fucking atrocious I would know I worked with a call center that helped people with that horrible program.
>>66503311
I want to know how the fuck $300 a mouth is affordable.
