What do you think our world would be like if WWII was avoided? Would we better off or worse off?
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it was unavoidable due to the Versailles treaty
>>66502663
was there no way around that being signed? I mean clearly it was... but what if it had not been?
Well, the US would be way worse off, that's for sure.
Though I'm inclined to believe that it would have inevetably devolved into an even bigger Red-Alert style WWII anyways, between the USSR and the West.
>>66502663
Versailles was ultimately a worthless sheet of paper. Hitler proved that the Allies didn't have the balls to back it up.
>>66502910
>was there no way around that being signed?
no.
>what if it had not been?
what if napoleon was never born? What if jesus died in a carpentry accident?
A historian's work is to examine the facts rather than speculate about what could have been.
Speculation is just mental masturbation that leads nowhere
>>66502663
for example... say the reparation part of the treat was substantially less? That may have provided less motivation for Germany to go to war?
The better question is would the world have been better off if Britain did not intervene in WWI
>Germany beats France and Russia
>Russia is still a shithole so people over throw the czar eventually
>Lenin is still living in Switzerland, but doesn't get dropped off in Russia by Germans
>Communism never gets a foothold in an major countries
>Israel never forms
>Ottoman Empire continues to be propped up by Europe, so Saudis never rise to power
>Britain negotiates a peace treaty between France and Germany, giving Germany some territory, mostly colonies
No commies, so no cultural marxist infesting Western Universities so no 60s culture revolution
Radical Islam is shut down by the Ottomans who want to continue to please Europe
Life would be pretty good
>>66503280
Welp. Looks like the fun police is here. Pack up and go home guys imagination and fun have no place here.
>>66503280
well since you clearly don't like to speculate... What do you see as positive outcomes of the war? What do you see as negatives?
>>66502458
We wouldn't have become the undisputed superpower. UN wouldn't exist either. Colonies still also.
>>66503302
>say the reparation part of the treat was substantially less?
As I said before, it was impossible because of the sheer destruction of the war. the political will of both Britain and France were categorically set on making Germany pay the highest price. on the contrary, there were even distinguished generals arguing that the reparations set in Versailles were TOO SMALL.
>>66503416
specualtion on historical events is the realm of literature and fantasy. it has nothing to do with history, which I assume OP's thread is about
>>66503665
You mean African colonies yes? (German, french and British)
>>66502458
There would be no Hitler card for SJWs to play all the time and compare everyone to. Eugenics would have proven such a success that it would be implemented everywhere.
>>66503848
So you feel like eugenics would have continued without the war? Was there that much interest in it before the war?
>>66504023
Look up Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood.
Its goal was to get rid of black people
>>66504023
It was big in the US until we started caring about the abominations' feeling more than their actual worth to society. Eugenics was big in Rome before it's Christianization. Every system in the world is good in some way, and every single one has its drawbacks, as well. Christianity promotes a strong family unit, but promotes compassion for the lowest, shittiest members of our society. We would try to uplift the trash, expending until resources trying to make them actually worthwhile human beings, and for what? What return do we see on our investment? Not a goddam thing, at most they are able to flip burgers.
Hitler's system was the sanest, most sustainable one, and the entire world was turned against it to absolutely crush it.
>>66504581
source?
i'd love to send it to my leftist friends ',:^)
>>66505295
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger
>>66504581
actually knew about this before... just didn't place it on a timeline well.
>>66505295
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger#Eugenics
>>66505295
http://www.blackgenocide.org/sanger05.html
>>66502663
someone could've assassinated hitler before his decision to start the war. The economy was doing well by that time.
>>66505295
just to warn you... most PP supporters already know about this and have written it off as irrelevant to their support.
>>66505760
Really? I thought they were in a fairly big depression since WWI
>>66502458
Can someone help me out. As a brown mexican i kinda see the positives of Fascism / national socialism, although i rather have democracy or federal service = voting power i do see Hitler as a lesser evil.
But the thing is in a hypothetically sense if the Axis won somehow i see 100 or so years from now i see the the Nazis doing something like having acknowledging and establishes that whites / asians are the superior races biologically and everyone else is inferior. Where does that leave everyone else? If black and brown people are constantly fucking up and proving they cant establish civility how would the Axis super power, who weren't afraid to state that Jews were a problem deal with shitskins? Like im not entirely sure how the Nazis would handle shitskins, would they eliminate them or just ban them? Will they try to help them or ignore them? I legit want to know.
>>66505890
no, no, I said BEFORE Hitler invaded Poland. Like after he made all the economic progress, THEN he dies. Germany keeps there land, has the the great military but doesn't invade.
>>66507037
interesting... Though I wonder if that would have stopped much. By then he pretty much had sold everyone on the idea of expanding.
>>66504581
>>66505295
>>66505590
>>66505622
Don't forget, the rabbit hole goes deeper. Bill Gates Sr. headed Planned Parenthood. Monsanto was also birthed from the Eugenics Society of America
>>66503675
>the political will of both Britain and France were categorically set on making Germany pay the highest price.
Then why did they agree to Lausanne? :^)
>>66507307
A better scenario is that he quickly invades poland, still allies with Stalin, still swiftly destroys France but instead of invading the USSR, sends all that man power to denmark, norway and then invading the UK.
By then I don't believe Japan would have bombed pearl harbor, and the war could have been over.
Just a scenario. I know Stalin was planning an invasion of Western Europe but ending the UK would'v been smarter.
>>66508350
You're missing the whole point of why Hitler was going to war. He didn't give a shit about England and actually thought they might side with him. The USSR was not only the major enemy of the Nazi ideology but it also had the areas that Hitler wanted to populate with Germans and make his breadbasket, like the Ukraine.
Invading the USSR was the whole point of the war. Going after Britain is what lost the war
>>66503198
It was all justified aswell. The equivalent of Versailles would be the UN installing draconian measures on the UK for backing the USA up when invading Iraq in 2003.
It was foolish to think it was fair to do what they did to Germany who leapt to the defence of their ally Austria.
>>66502458
Better socially. Worse technologically.
Technologically because all modern technology has its origins in WW2 and its aftermath the Cold War. We even use National Socialist social and environmental policies in our every day lives.
We'd still have imperial,racial and religious mindsets and socially conservative views but war between UK and USA would have been assured. The US was just finding its feet in the modern world less than 50 years after a huge civil war whilst going through a tough economic and social climate and was drawing up plans for annexing Canada(via gassing the inhabitants) and invading the British mainland. The British Empire was crumbling from rebellion and high cost. The clash between old and new was imminent. Victory for Britain would be the reclamation of the east coast and total dominion of the weaker parts of the US as a protectorate. Victory for the USA would be the destruction of the Royal Navy, forcing the Empire to disband and the annexation of Canada.
That plan was scrapped when WW2 happened. They realised they could destroy the empire without waging war with it. They waited until it was at its weakest standing alone against a invincible enemy and then offered financial(the loan was fully repaid back in 2012) and material support but no actual manpower until the German tide had already been defeated by the Russians who annihilated the majority of the Panzer divisions in 1943 during Kursk and from then on it as a fighting retreat for Germany.
In an alternate timeline this likely happened. Crazy to think about.
>>66502458
>>66508622
But he could have peaced out the UK by invading them and focused all efforts on Western front. This would have caused the US not to side with them. UK declared war on Germany, no way they would've suddenly ended it and then been on the same side.
>>66508764
eastern*
>>66502458
>tfw Mosley failed to save Europe
might be worse
might be better
i heard it boosted the fuck out of our economy
also it forced us to develop a nuclear weapon so no one will fuck with us now
>>66508734
I guess I wasn't really asking if peace was an option. I would assume if WWII hadn't have happened other conflict would have risen elsewhere... just curious what that might have looked like.
>>66509076
Honestly every conflict from 1914 to the fall of the Soviet Union can all be considered a continuation of the same war.
>>66509236
So one big war.... we just like to chop it up to feel less depressed? I wonder if centuries from now we'll combine it all?
>>66506941
Nazis would have went after non-whites eventually. Likely they would've euthanize them and killed off the ones who resisted to make an example. Not sure how they would deal with Asians tho but for sure they would've killed browns and blacks, would have thrown mexico under the bus if they were foolish enough to take them up on their offer to attack the US. They were real big on the Aryan Master Race thing.
