Why are white nationalists so weak in terms of marketing their ideology?
I've monitored the Web for a while and I can see that leftists, SJWs and the like are much better at spreading their ideas, they tend to be approved by the general Facebook audience. I don't see the advent of white nationalism at the same time, it hardly seems to break past 4chan.
>>66488918
They use boring old intellectualism rather than sensationalism
Well, white nationalists tend to be either autistic assburgers with an IQ of 90 or bydlo trash with an IQ <80, so you can't really expect them to come up with a way to market their shitty political ideology.
>>66489175
Intellectualism assumes being able to come up with clever arguments to beat the general discourse, right?
>>66490069
The left beat us to the internet. It's hard to push nationalism, which (almost always) involves ethno-centrism (though not necessarily to the detriment of other ethnicities) when the left has an established force of SJWs ready to fling shit at you and fabricate stories to ruin your life.
>>66491395
>which (almost always) involves ethno-centrism (though not necessarily to the detriment of other ethnicities)
Yep, right. The thing is, if you don't have arguments to back that up in front of the general audience, you lose and stay marginalized. Maybe using some unconventional ideological frameworks can help? Neotribalism, for one.
>>66488918
the kike media supports SJWs and demonizes white nationalism
>>66492276
This
>>66492276
There still is space where no media people exert authority
>>66492185
>Neotribalism
Couch it in terms of pagan cultural revival?
But then I have to fight to divorce it from the malarkey that is Wicca.
If leftists post some crazy leftist opinion on FB, their right-leaning acquaintances will roll their eyes and maybe post a sarcastic comment.
If you post a white nationalist post on Facebook, you better hope your account is banned before anyone you know sees it because otherwise you will lose your job, most of your friends, and probably have bricks thrown through your windows.
>>66492536
Neotribalism doesn't necessarily imply going back to tradition. It's merely a sociological concept that people do best when they belong to tribe-like entities.
They are just more creative at that sort of thing.
Like artists/designers always tend to be left of centre
Right wing/trditionalists are busy looking after their family and working jobs/paying taxes. They are good at different things than marketing.
Also, they have the full energy and IQ of almost all jews on their side - along with their media/propaganda apparatus. This makes a big difference.
>>66488918
Somebody find this proofster the "Hey White Kid" poster.
But also consider that we have real culture to handle and we don't have the same total flexibility in making up arbitrary nonsense. Gramsci literally rewrote Marxism. We can't overwrite Kant, Hegel, Maitland and Burke.
>>66492743
I think it's deeper than the risk of getting banned or fired. The general audience just doesn't seem to take the whole notion of the white identity.
Idk what you are expecting.
You want white nationalism to have equal parity in outreach on the internet despite the fact that companies have superior money and man power to market their new left globalism?
You should really be more optimistic. Just 30-40 years ago the best thing WNs could do was pass out flyers and shit. Anyone vaguely interested in nationalism can just use google to find lets be honest some retarded stormfront tier website to learn about it.
>>66489175
Let's not pretend they're not sensationalists either. They do their fair share.
To put it simply their ideology appeals to popular moral sentiments and says that we haven't gone far enough. It is completely within the acceptable boundaries of our society and in line with major business interests.
Simply put, such a stance is eager to market.
>>66493504
>To put it simply their ideology appeals to popular moral sentiments
Precisely. The thing is that people love all this positive stuff like being kind, caring about nature, animals etc., and the dominant dogma puts loving minorities and SJW stuff in line with that.
Basically, there will not be the growth of white nationalism until it starts forming positive associations in people's minds.
>>66488918
Not enough of white nationalists are actually intelligent. Not that you'd need to be intelligent to know that niggers and hajis are bad news.
>>66493242
You know, some things simply go viral regardless of what corporations and politicians want. Especially online.
>>66494674
My observation is that in practice, white nationalism is attached to either libertarian or imperialist paradigms
>>66488918
because SJW are backed by big money. They are the unpaid gestapo interns for the cultural ruling elites in order to give the oligarchical government the veneer of popular democracy.
>>66495557
Propaganda is not omnipotent, some things still can go viral and spread
>>66488918
4chan is an echo chamber for many outcasts and loser, it's the truth. People on here circlejerk about all their "imminent" victories, but the simple fact of the matter is that the people on /pol/ and 4chan as a site altogether are a very small, autistic minority that has no real influence or leverage outside of their safe space hugbox circlejerk echo chamber.
>>66495704
most outlets are owned by very few people.
>>66495842
Are you new here?
>>66488918
When we do it, we get banned by mods and all our posts/threads get deleted.
On reddit, one nationalist post is enough for all the faggots to go through your post history and make sure everything since early 2010 is -100 votes
>>66496001
Not really, you have the internet, social platforms etc. Of course, if you start openly bashing niggers, you may get penalized, but that doesn't negate the fact that there IS a possibility for white nationalism to spread if it was convincing to the public
>>66495842
You know, it's really obvious you're not from /pol/, because /pol/ clearly does have influence, perhaps more influence then any other type of white nationalism. /pol/ has probably created more white nationalist, or at least, people sympathetic to the idea in 5 years of existence then American renaissance.has in 20.
>>66495842
>some of the finest memesmiths on the internet
>no influence
Don't tell me you think your precious reddit produces it's own OC?
>>66496058
Shit can be subtle. If you know that you're right and that people can believe that you're right, you can hint and seek their approval
>>66493173
Can you blame them? It's how they've been conditioned their entire lives. Many of us used to be the same way.
>>66496556
Memes have a narrow audience anyway
>>66492801
"neotribalism" is just nationalism for pussies- it's literally just one step away from "stick to your own kind". it's an idea overrun by leftists who are afraid of being seen as violent or capable of violence.
>>66496842
Tell that to all the Facebook normies reposting the stalest of memes.
>>66496842
Memes went mainstream several years ago, hence why people now post them on facebook and twitter. Their memes are of course pure garbage but internet memes obviously have mass appeal.
>>66496314
To me, it seems that ideas that /pol/ produces don't connect with popular moral sentiments and hence have no ground to grow and spread.
SJW marketing is based on feel-good emotions and implying that if you are with them you are on the good side (simultaneously implying the other side is bad/evil). Most SJW ideology also takes the path of least resistance, so it's easier to just let things slide rather than standing up for something difficult.
Because the ideology of modern social media is to break barriers which helps the ideologies of the left. On the other hand, nationalists are about making barriers and separating people for their own benefit.
Look at Trumpfags, for example, Mexico is an important market for the US but they refuse to see it mostly for ignorance and pure hate. This is why they are doomed to fail in modern days but they are too delusional to see it.
>>66497001
Nationalism is associated with bad things anyway. Maybe it's time to shape shit into new concepts?
>>66497524
>SJW marketing is based on feel-good emotions and implying that if you are with them you are on the good side
Exactly. Basically, if you can invent a way to make use of that approach, you're good
>>66497903
you must understand that the SJW approach is ingrained in us since we were little.
i think it is largely logistical, leftists have focused on children, whereas the right has failed to do so. and so we have most kids espousing whatever they are told, which is anti-white degeneracy
a big part of it is simply that marxism is taught to children under the guise of kindness. white supremacy is true, but they are taught since birth that it isnt. like teaching evolution to a jesusfag, most are too stupid to be deprogrammed. they must be programmed from childhood, it is the only way
>>66488918
Well we have society against us. People are hell bent on believing in equality, sunshine and rainbows even if it kills them. So they're much more likely to agree that blacks are ok and gays aren't harmful.
I think the alt-right are doing a pretty good job with memes. Way better than anything the left has to offer and it is working nicely all things considered.
There's a surge in popularity, it just takes more work for us than it does them.
