So what's wrong with the Nordic model? I think it's great in that takes the best that both economic systems (capitalism/socialism) have to offer and mixes them to create a system that is infinitely more superior to each system taken alone. An economy that at its core is a capitalistic one in that it favors free markets and free trade but is still interested in the provision of social services to its citizens seems to me the best way to run a country.
Thoughts?
>>66420291
What you're describing here is fascism (a corporatist economy, that is) without nationalism, a religious social hierarchal structure and anti-degeneracy. Add this to Scandinavia, and we'll have a 2000 year-updated version of Pax Romana.
Because it doesn't work if there are too many freeloaders, and many of those freeloaders are from minorities and other people. Nordic model only works as long as the people are largely homogenous and everyone works for their keep, but shit's been getting steadily more fucked every passing decade. Look at Sweden, their social and healthcare services are starting to crumble down under the strain of migrants.
>>66420291
Soft socialism and captalism works if you have a loyal homogenous population who see it as a sin not a have a job. Thats what we had. The immigrants arent loyal to sweden or the swedes, so they have no problem being a burden on the taxpayer, mix in economic jihad, and it will crumble.
You have to model the politics based on the culture of the people, otherwise it wont work. What works in a homogenous scandinavian country will not work in a diverse american state etc
>>66420768
That is a problem yes. Does Finland have similar migrant problems to Sweden? I thought it was the Swedes who were mostly cucked out of their minds.
>>66420957
10% unemployment and around 35k migrants last year, it's definitely a problem if it continues like this. While the government tries to cuck us, the difference between Swedes and Finns is that we have a much harsher view on the refugees and are less willing to tolerate them whenever they fuck up.
>>66420836
You're right. But my qualms is mainly with people who criticize the Nordic model on economic grounds even when we assume that it is a homogeneous population that has closed borders that the model is being applied to.
>>66420291
Scandinavia has had the closest thing to national socialism anywhere in the world.
And it worked out great! We are some of the best countries in the world, but all this was only possible because our population was nationalistic and homogeneous.
Things will only get worse from here on out until one day we snap.
its been a good run though. going to suck for those less privileged in our societies. they will suffer for the migrants
>>66420291
It's a good system.
But the system wasn't made to hold hordes of of freeloaders.
Sweden is/was a small, high-trust and fairly homogenous society.
Now we're importing shitloads of 'people' from low-trust societies, with ideals that are not compatible with our culture.
Guess what happens next.
Nothing
other than the mudshits of course.
>>66421087
Consider that such a model has in every instance created in the host population a leftist, liberal mindset that creates those very problems for itself. National Socialism only works if Nationalism is taken as seriously as Socialism.
>>66421325
Indeed. But american "culture" is very much to blame for the fall of nationalism. People today care more about Kanye West than they do about Danish history.
Europe and Scandinavia has very much been americanized which, among other things, has contributed to us loosing our own culture.
>>66421606
You should bring back mandatory military service, does wonders to enforce the idea of Nationalism.
>>66421606
>Implying our culture wasn't destroyed by Europe's jews who migrated here
>>66420291
It doesn't work in countries with significant amounts of shitskins. I love the left's logic on Scandinavia. It's always about the evil white man with them. But, at the same time "we need to be more like scandinavia!" Fucking idiots. Maybe, just maybe, there is a correlation between their whiteness (specifically nordic whiteness) and their successful system?
>>66421606
disregard anything this turbomemer tells you
he's clearly not through primary school yet
>>66421728
True. But thats not Europes fault.
We tried getting rid of the jew and you killed us for it.
it only works if you keep out outsiders
denmark seem to be fighting back against swedish degeneracy but copenhagen is still only 75% danish
>>66421833
But 90% of the jews migrated here BEFORE the kekacaust
>>66420768
This is why I feel I'm at a conundrum when choosing who to vote for. I believe the social democracy we have is a great model, and that immigration from the Middle East/Africa will weaken it. However, the only party that is anti-immigration also wants to weaken the welfare state in favor of increased economic liberalization.
>>66421325
It was arrogance and a concencus culture that fell did that. Keeping the peace means people have to be forced to agree through social banishment, have the wrong opinion, lose friends maybe even your job. If the standing consencus is wörk hard for the nation, all is good, but it became diversity is best, ebil white man etc
We were in the best situation in the world, a smart homogenous population with a good work culture and a prosperous future, with allies on all sides and protected by the sea or mountains.
Then someone convinced a certain member of the government that our sucsess was not due to what i mentioned above but simply our politics, our system, and that you could replace everyone and the system would guarantee sucsess. Mix in leftism in the ruling generation with no reality to fight against it and youll get what you have today. The kids were taught in school leftist ideology without anything to refute it. Today it dosnt work anymore, you cannot teach swedish kids that all people are the same and immigrants are angels when those same children go out to lunch and get beaten and raped by these so called angels. Reality has caught up to the ideology. The question now is only time.
So no i dont think it leads to leftism, but it was very vunrable to it. Our situation was perfect for it to set roots, and here we are
>>66421910
If only there was a party that was for Nationalism AND Socialism.
>>66420291
Progressive social ideologies are the only thing wrong with it. Economically it works great as long as you have a white population of non-degenerates.
>>66421082
Everything went to shit when first somalis came here in 90s.
>>66421666
This.
one wrong thing about the nordic model is the internet. Due to the government ISP everyone pretty much gives away super fast internet for almost no money and without data caps.
We end up not appreciating it. Also I recently broke my hand and needed to operate and did not pay shit. I am sure I would appreciate it more if it made me fall into debt like in America. or if I had to pay huge amounts of money every month to get simple healthcare.
I also have done 5 years engineering at university and not paid tuition, i will likely be a norwegian millionaire and I don't realy have any serious student debt, I am pretty sure I would appreciate it more if I was burdened with a lot of debt like Americans.
>>66421910
i know that feel
>>66422180
pls no bully
Our medical system has been jewed for over 100 years
>>66420291
We let in too many immigrants, we allow degeneracy and we're run by Jews, we're like America
>>66420291
> I think it's great in that takes the best that both economic systems (capitalism/socialism) have to offer and mixes them to create a system that is infinitely more superior to each system taken alone
Yeah, I want to address this.
Can't speak for Sweden or Norway, but Denmark was, up until the 60s, a tax haven, and a largely one of the freest economies in the world. The introduction of the Welfare state, albeit slowly so, has made Denmark one of the weakest economies in EU. Although we do still enjoy a comfortable living, we're suffering from a crippled economy. Reasons? In my eyes, because we punish those who take risks and enjoy the fruit of it afterwards, should they succeed.
Denmark is COMPLETELY relying on having an extremely active and dynamic market, to generate and maintain the wealth that pays for the public services. At the same time, despite being "the best country to do business in", Denmark performs very badly in terms of economic growth.
Pic related. Denmark is a few percent poorer than before the 2008 crisis. Compared to countries like Sweden or USA, which has recovered completely. Point being, that the economic difference between Denmark and other first world countries is growing.
The socialist aspect of Denmark lives on the back of the capitalist part. Not the other way around. Without a healthy economy, the healthy welfare state will implode.
The sad part is that the public sector continues to grow, and will like since its conception, continue not generating any wealth, and only suck energy out of the private sector. There's a Danish saying that the welfare state acts upon the people's wealth and economic freedom like a knife cutting a sausage; Once a slice in gone, it will never come back. This saying has yet to be disproved.
>>66422931
Jens is correct and the situation was pretty much the same in Sweden.
All the welfare state gave us was a bloated bureaucracy filled with childless cat ladies who has pushed the opinion that third worlders and fags are holy and deserve our worship.
>>66422931
You can't blame the economic problems on the welfare state
The problems are all caused by the Euro, which is destroying every country that accepts it (besides Germany of course)
>>66420291
Let me put it like this as a foreigner that used to live in Sweden.
Sweden works, as does Denmark and Finland because their people work. The tax rate is absurdly high, but the society is very flat; status isn't bought. The economy is heavily socialized, but it's small enough to be managable. This is a region where a six hour workday could potentially work.
As a foreigner, I fucked everything up. I steal train rides, contribute to the housing shortage, evade taxes, and generally don't speak Swedish. So, the systems work in a closed model.
>>66421606
>hey kid, wanna /ss/?
>>66423266
Danish currency is the Danish Krone, not the Euro. (although we aim to maintain a certain ratio between the currencies).
And yes, I can blame the economic problems on the welfare state. As it is now, it relies on funding itself by taxing the fuck out of the common man.
Rich, poor, middle class. It doesn't matter. Personally, I "enjoy" paying 50% of my income in taxes, and another 25% of that in value added tax on all products I buy. Not mention property tax and whatever tax there is my daily products, like the additional 20% value-added tax on nuts, or the 300% tax on cars.
People are not interested in taking risks of starting a successful company (taking years usually), since actually being poor in Denmark is incredibly fucking expensive. Entrepreneurs can't claim benefits, as they are self-employed, and therefore have to depend on their own ability generate wealth to survive. Most people trying to start a company from scratch live on incomes less than what those on welfare checks do. This has created the situation where the capitalists and risk takers are the real poor. If you want to create wealth and jobs, you better be prepared to be completely on your own, and make it yourself in a system that will tax your ass into hell meanwhile, and into oblivion when you succeed.
This has HEAVY consequences on the Danish economy. We don't attract foreign investments, since neighboring countries usually are less aggressive and unfriendly towards corporations, and we punish bright minds and risk takers, thus scaring our own population from trying to create the companies and wealth that has to support the welfare state into the future.
>>66423266
>You can't blame the economic problems on the welfare state
The problem is that the "welfare state" has taken over as the job creators, so now you end up with a very large amount of the population working for the state, instead of encouraging new business or industry.
This problem is not unique to Denmark (currency locked to Euro) or the only Nordic country that adopted the Euro (Finland), but also Sweden and Norway.
>>66420291
It falls apart when you let in rivers of brown people that use the safety nets without contributing at all.
>>66420291
I'm a fan of socialism, but letting in vast numbers of unskilled low-IQ workers is too big of a strain on the welfare state relative to their contribution, to say nothing of the social problems. If the Nordic countries needed unskilled workers they would have done better to bring in East Asians.
>>66424318
so how much of your money do you actually take home?
It seems like it'd even be difficult to buy a house there.
>>66424318
The leftist and conservative parties in Sweden both serve corporate interest while punishing those who try to start their own company.
>>66427052
I make 45 000 DKK a month. Just so you can get an idea of how much that is: 1 liter non-ecological whole milk costs 6 DKK. You can compare that to your Aussie milk. Else go check out that cost of living homepage and compare Denmark and Australia.
50% goes to the state. So I take home 22 500. Now everything has 25% value added tax, if spend maybe 3000 DKK on food and stuff like that, the state takes 750 DKK.
So in total, that's 53% of my income that goes directly to the state. Not including the tax on property since it's very dependent on where you live.
>>66427891
What are the housing prices like? Do you work/live in Copenhagen?
>>66428456
to add to the question: are you aware whether or not if it's hard for someone to immigrate to Denmark? I have a CompSci degree and I'm learning the language. In the future I'd like to try and get a job at Maersk or a Danish based company to try and help when it comes to applying for work in Denmark but everything I've heard seems to indicates it's quite difficult to immigrate. Or is it just Swedes complaining you don't have open borders for all non-whites?
>>66428456
I live and work in Aalborg. But it's expensive to live in Copenhagen, or just about any major city. (compared to what you get). Living in the outskirts quickly becomes affordable.
If you want to live in copenhagen, I'd personally look for a small apartment maybe in the radius of 10 km from the heart of the city (Indre By). At this point, I'd say the prices should be reasonable, and you'll still have it fairly easy getting to and from work.
I actually don't know how hard it is to immigrate. I don't think it should be a problem for you. Although, I'd highly advice you to have a job offer, as I can imagine it would make the whole process a lot easier.
>>66424318
This nigga knows what's up.
I'm finishing my graduate degree now and moving out of Denmark to the US where I've got a job waiting where the pay is 67 000 DKK before tax on average.
Fuck paying over 50% income tax and 300 % tax a car + paying taxes on a house THAT I OWN AND HAVE PAID FOR.
>>66429996
when danes are talking about immigrants, it's usually about refugees.
we love people from other 1st world countries, and dont consider them immigrants
>>66430575
I'd definitely try to have a job offer before I made the move, I'd probably run out of money quickly otherwise.
>>66431878
That's good then.
I have to admit I'm starting to get put off by the taxes but it's probably not all that different from Australia considering the price of everything here.
>>66420291
The Nordic model works for countries with small, hard-working, homogenous populations. That's it.
