Despite having the majority of votes, National Front lost every Region last year.
At a time when the world was looking at France.
At a time when Europe needed it the most.
By 2017, will the effects of the numerous 2015 attacks fade and subsequently cause another loss for FN?
Does Front National have any more hope?
Didn't they lose because all the other parties colluded to siphon votes away? It's not like they lost because of """"""""democracy""""""""
>>66409317
Yes, they did. It was a disgusting display of how bankrupt the "democracies" in Europe really are. All establishment parties essentially will implement the same policies.
The European ruling elite will do everything in their power to contain the new nationalist parties rising up everywhere. All resources are mobilized to demonize and contain the nationalists. My country already lost a nationalist leader to a left-wing assassin.
>>66409526
Really? When, what happened, etc?
>>66409222
Marine Le Pen has zero chance of being elected because if she does reach the 2nd turn of presidential election, every normie party will gang up against her and the media will brainwash normies into voting against the "fascist peril".
Our only hope lies in the frustration of the FN growing base. The further people will be frustrated, the more they'll hold radical thoughts and the more radical our society will be, the more the political spectrum and elites will move to the right, or disappear.
tldr: the solution in France, Europe and to a lesser extent the western civilization doesn't lie in politics but in a paradigm shift among the population.
>>66409222
They lost majority due to the socialist dropping out of the race where they were #1 giving the votes to LR
>>66409317
Please stop posting
>>66409601
desu my froggy friend I just wanna see you guys bring back the guillotines and start using them on every muzzie you can find
>>66409597
This was in 2002. His party was poised to create an upheaval in the political landscape, so he was relentlessly attacked from all sides, especially from the left-wing establishment parties. All the mainstream media joined in, he was portrayed as the next Hitler, a danger to society, etc.
Some left-wing econutter shot him in broad daylight. The politicians responsible for creating the climate in which he was murdered were given comfortable high paying public/semi-public sector jobs and were never mentioned in the media again.
It was a disgusting display of what this elite is capable of.
>>66409663
excuse me you stupid fucking kraut? get fucked. you're not even legally allowed to be here anyway. go to jail and get your kids taken away cuck.
>>66409601
The left's smear campaign on Front National was ridiculous. Even US media was covering them as if they were some Neo-Nazi party, and nothing can be further from the truth.
>>66409222
FN as two options.
1. Blame muslims, rendering all muslim in france second class citizen.
2. Go at the Israeli lobby and heavy liberal policy that caused the problem in the first place.
No matter what the choice they will be deemed evil because "hurr durr Nationalism fucking nazi's" mentality.
So in the end they will render all muslim second class citizen (or worst), which will not solve the problem but will most likely get them elected.
>>66409808
"oh no"
don't make muslims second class citizens. anything but that.
>>66409526
You can see how bad the US is trying to stop Trump's rise right now. The amount of shit they're throwing at him is fucking fantastic. We're ripping a trail of fire through our establishment right now, and I'm all too fucking happy to watch this shit burn.
I hope y'all in Europe get to enjoy some of the fun too.
>>66409703
I don't even want that much to see Muslims suffer, I just want them out of my country. But because of leftists' retardedness we may have to do the former to obtain the latter.
In 2030 France will be called new Algeria
Be me
2010
Go to France visiting my cousin
Get down from airplane
Teleport to Algeria
Lol rip France
>>66409868
Sad people don't realise how Christian values are among the closest to Islamic ones. Among all the nation, culture and people in the world we are the closest yet it seems were all blind to it.
> its sad
> Bring back Christian civilization pls.
>>66409222
>At a time when the world was looking at France.
No one looking at France, France is another Merkel's bitches with slime president.
>>66409753
Every time before an election, the public channels air some movies about muh 6 gorillons. And the saddest thing is that it still works, less and less but still.
>>66410038
My Christian values make me want to crusade against those motherfuckers right now and watch them and their families burn. You might be on to something there.
>>66409994
> Be me in 2030
> Go to visit pyramids
> "You reach your destination"
> Look at huge billboard.
> Welcome to Israel.
>>66410085
Russia, you're irrelevant and nobody was talking to you.
Go back to playing Counter Strike.
>>66410125
A
FUCKING
LEAF
Also how does that offend me we work with Jews 24/7
>>66410038
>Christianity: Turn the other cheek, love your enemy
>Islam: "slay the idolaters wherever ye find them,
and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush"
Man, the similarities are just astounding.
>>66410125
>Welcome to Israel.
That would only Improve Egypt
>>66410098
My Christian values makes me wanna whip some of them for lack of order.
My Islamic values makes me wanna take some of their daughter, bread with them and my sons will have legitimate claim to rule over the middle east.
>>66410038
I don't care how close they are. Muslims are apostates and the true enemy of all Christendom. I want them exterminated. I don't want a single one left alive.
>>66409222
that's wrong you retard the two major parties came together to stop them getting elected
>>66410221
Nice, seems you are already accepting your faith.
>Fascists and the ruling class engaged in a bloody battle
top fucking kek
Watching the bourgeoisie eat each other is downright masturbatory.
>>66410098
epic
>>66410249
We don't need legitimate claim through that bullshit (although taking their daughters might be fun). Just slaughter them like the shit they are and take the land, that's all the claim you need.
Islamic values (if they can even be called that) are inferior. The need for salvation allows Christianity to purge heresy in holy fire.
>>66410298
Where did I suggest otherwise? Reading comprehension, Aboshit. Try it some time.
>>66410366
yadiyada.. i think you will just cry for help when China invades your ass anyways.. at that time you will see who are the true "heretics".
>>66409601
>>66409753
>talk about creating a public and political atmosphere of radical far-right conservative activism
>"lol why would anyone think we're Fascists, we just want to literally convince the public to become Fascists, that's all"
The cognitive dissonance is astounding.
>>66410125
Upboated.
>>66409601
They did it to Jean Marie le pen in 2002 and they got 80%, this time they got 60%
Marine might not win but the establihsment is on the way out when they have to collude like this.
>>66410472
If China invades us, they're coming for you too, syrupnigger. Might as well expand the western spheres before that happens, it will make the chinks have a much harder time with their world domination.
I don't think the jews will let the chinks do anything anyways. They'll end up getting everyone involved in it.
>>66410582
Fascism implies authoritarian government, which France is not.
And the comparison to Nazis takes it a step forward.
Nationalism != Fascism
>>66410582
>t. Leftist Cuck
Fascism != Nationalism
>>66410125
Topesus Bankek 3000 baka senpaichi-anon
>>66410669
Well ima go to sleep on that, but il leave you something ponder on.
You will surely find the most intense of the people in animosity toward the believers [to be] the Jews and those who associate others with Allah; and you will find the nearest of them in affection to the believers those who say, "We are Christians." That is because among them are priests and monks and because they are not arrogant. (Quran 5:82)
Good night/day.
>>66410812
Epic memes, Napoleon.
>>66410582
You called Fascism bourgeois >>66410330
and you want me to take you seriously?
The status quo is not viable, I would love to see people being reasonable, recognizing that we went full retarded with immigration and think about peaceful way to sort this problem out but because of people like you, we don't have that possibility.
>>66409961
>weak
thats why you are cucks and the laughing stock of the world.
>>66410650
By the time Marine Le Pen has enough support in the population (absolute majority), we won't need the FN anymore anyway.
>>66409222
They won more sits than the Socialists.
It's globally a great advance even if they didn't won the majority.
>>66410923
>thats why you are cucks and the laughing stock of the world.
>>66409222
From 10 or 15 years FN is growing in France.
In 2002 Old Le Pen go on 2nd round for presidential election.
Generally people vote for them for their immigration politic.
Today all other party need to make a alliance for bit FN.
I don't think FN gonna win any major election :
1) Show like a son of Hitler, Vichy, fascist and shit, every time in the media
2) Nationalist party sure but very left on economy, they lost traditional right pro business for this. A soft national socialist
3) Make noise in media but il still a small party. You have maybe 5 or 6 strong politic who are good, the rest is mostly retard. I don't even know how She will build a government.
Political paysage of France:
FN try to be more soft for make better picture in opinion.
Socialist on power are now socialist only by their name, become more centrist and liberal economy.
Right move to right, and some point not to much different from FN except economy politic.
Next president will be right wing, not Fn.
Juppé maybe, more soft for a right wing but more
gatherer for victory.
Sarkozy, no way he will win.
Wauquiez, Le Maire, Coppé (haha) who knows
>>66411062
Tysker please
Its called tough love with France. You Germanshits however can get extinct for all I care.
Sincerely. Your hat
>>66410923
Unlike you I don't want to see my people suffer and a peaceful remigration plan sounds like a better option than "race war now". But as I said in my different posts, I'm not sure we'll choose the former option anyway.
>>66410720
France is not an authoritarian government, but the people in this thread, as well as the National Front certainly want it to become one.
And Nationalism obviously isn't inherently Fascist, but Fascism is absolutely a form of Nationalism. Let's go through the elements of Fascism and see whether or not the National Front meets said criteria:
>An emphasis on extreme Nationalism and the Nation State as the ultimate power? Check.
>A tribalistic fetishism of racial, ethnic, and cultural superiority perceived as the basis of the Nation State? Check.
>Concrete gender roles and a fanatical obsession with hyper-masculinity? Check.
>Belief in all-encompassing, all-powerful, imperial state apparatus? Check.
>Glorification of violence and warrior codes? Check.
>General social authoritarianism and focus on preserving a narrow spectrum of cultural tradition? Check.
>>66410876
Fascism is bourgeois in that it's the last resort of the capitalist class to protect its interests from powerful leftist movements.
The bourgeoisie would much prefer a Fascist in charge, because a Fascist won't actively try to threaten their existence and may, indeed, even cater to their needs in many circumstances.
>>66409222
It was disappointing to see the way the FN were treated by the establishment parties but i would not call it a defeat it was a Pyhrric victory for establishment candidates.
>>66411248
>Concrete gender roles and a fanatical obsession with hyper-masculinity
>party leader is a woman
Haha, go kill yourself with your tumblresque bullshit.
>>66409222
>>66409222
Unfortunately the media (those in in the top 1%) have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo - the same reason why the media in the UK parody UKIP but when people are actually given a list of policies without the name UKIP attached to them then they suddenly go "oh, these sound like very sensible policies". I'll guarantee you that the same thing would happen in France - all the FN is wanting is a return of French sovereignty and for immigrants to integrate into French society. What is so radical about wanting a European community where sovereignty is respected rather than this fetish by the powers that be to centralise everything in Brussels, where immigrants integrate and be part of their adopted country rather than setting up parallel communities within the larger society? If anything, the liberals who don't support the integration of immigrants are the ones who are creating fractures within society rather than unifying behind a common identity citizenship and a set of ideals.
>>66411159
>they lost traditional right pro business for this.
Traditional right is the electorate of Poujade: artisans, small business-owner, some farmers, grocery retailers etc. Not the MEDEF.
But yeah, instead of saying once a year "small business act" MLP should try to seduce this electorate.
>>66411217
The French people wont do anything before the water is already boiling over.
We are way past a time for a purely "peaceful" solution.
If France is to survive you must realize this
>>66411217
You might need to fight the good race war. These commies are going to bring in more and more mudslimes to vote for them so that they never lose power. The population gap is only getting wider.
FN will sure do big numbers at first 2017 turn. But sadly there is no chance for them to win, it is impossible.
>>66411354
Yes, because no one has ever acted against their own rational self-interest in the history of mankind, right?
Many women support traditional gender roles. Many proletarians support capitalist institutions. People don't always do the smart thing.
>>66411519
nothing is impossible anon never give up you only lose when you give up.
>>66409728
It reminds you that, if you go against the establishment, you need several things:
>money
>connections
>being perfect with media
>being uncorruptable
>good bodyguards
Not many out there who fit the discreption.
>>66411531
What is harmful about traditional gender roles? Mind, we are talking about france here, a nation where a paternity test is illegal. Its not going to beceome a hitler youth camp any time in the future.
>>66411531
Yeah you're right, you yourself should act in your own interest and kill yourself for being such a failure.
>>66411592
>What is harmful about traditional gender roles?
They are primarily used as a way to divide workers and subjugate half of said workers, which is incredibly beneficial for the ruling class and incredibly disadvantageous for everyone else.
Also, France being liberal doesn't make the National Front any less Fascist. The Weimar Republic was considered a beacon of democracy and liberalism before the Nazis came to power.
>>66411597
Nope, pissing off reactionaries is way too much fun.
>>66410236
Yeah..., and guess which set of morailty got us into this mess in the first place and who is shilling hardest for the rapefugees.
tbqh I think Christianity was destined to become Islam's bitch. The only good Christias in my book, the Crusaders (of the first crusade and some of the third), only could achieve their actions and victories by going against Christianity.
So let's be good Christians and get colonized and conquered.
>>66411248
>Fascism is bourgeois in that it's the last resort of the capitalist class to protect its interests from powerful leftist movements.
So that's why your country eradicated Fascism in Europe?
Fascists had only contempt for bourgeois values. Sure they might have been objective allies at times but that doesn't make them one and the same.
Using this kind of logic I'd could say that Hilter was a Stalinist.
>>66410236
>Turn the other cheek, love your enemy
What a cuck. Pagans were better, even with the slavery and shit.
>>66411764
Isnt the destruction of gender roles a massive benefit to the elite, with increasing the labor pool twice and allowing the reduction of the wages due to now being expected both members of the household to work.
Traditional gender roles cost a lot of money to the elite, and their destruction is economically benefitial
>>66411764
>which is incredibly beneficial for the ruling class and incredibly disadvantageous for everyone else.
Got i backwards familia.
>>66411592
Eesti giving hope. Never surrender, my love.
>>66411764
"Reactionaries" "bourgeois" "capitalists" "ruling class" ahaha, fucking retard, all these buzzwords.
Here's a question for you, why would a supposedly authoritarian party want a proportionally elected parliament and support referendums on citizens' initiative and shorter presidential term limits, this is literally in their program.
Probably one of those "self-interest cases" again huh?
>>66410582
Both Fascists and Nazis were radical Left parties, positioning themselves as a more palatable alternative to ultra-radical Left parties, though.
>>66411426
>We are way past a time for a purely "peaceful" solution.
Not sure about this. We'll see anyway.
>>66411462
I know that. Still you can't blame me for not wanting to see my people suffer.
>>66412035
>fall for the bait
>act uppity
Enjoying your first week so far? :)
>>66412148
you're an alainbro I bet?
I used to be, still have a lot of respect for the guy. But I think it's too late, war is coming and it will be ugly
>>66411904
Be careful, he's a communist, reality will burn him.
The 2016 attacks will redpill them.
>>66412211
"uppity"
Like I care, I'm just enjoying the comedic gold. Maybe Poe's law is in effect and I can't tell he is joking.
>>66411795
>Yeah..., and guess which set of morailty got us into this mess in the first place and who is shilling hardest for the rapefugees.
Would you prefer your country to already BE an Islamic shithole rather than risk becoming one due to rapefugees?
Also, since when the modern atheistic and secular Europe is in any way Christian? The blame should be laid where it belongs.
>>66409728
I never knew this, thank you for sharing.
For others interested https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Pim_Fortuyn
As sad as it is, the only way Front National will win the French election is if there are more large scale Muslim terrorist attacks in the country, particularly in Paris because of the worldwide attention it will receive.
>>66412281
Which Alain are you talking about friend? If it's Soral no, if it's Alain the early 20th century philosopher neither.
>>66411558
DONALD TRUMP
The only chance for lepen is in 2022 before and after it's impossible
>>66409222
One day, someone will turn this oppression of white politics around and challenge the whole world to a fight.
>>66409728
It sounds exactly like what they are trying to do to Donald Trump in America. Creating a false narrative and false sense of danger, not only surrounding his ideas, but creating a narrative that even his supporters are dangerous people who should be marginalized, terrorized, even killed. I'm very fearful of what is happening. If it can happen in your country so easily and without repercussions to the perpetrators then it can easily happen here.
>>66409703
The Guillotine was one of the reason why france has degenerated into a country full of leftist cucks who hates their own culture and loves their multikulti
>>66412910
> then it can easily happen here.
Well, one thing i have to give you americans credit for is that political assasination is due to mass media not something unimaginable like in many sleepy european nations. To kill an american candidate takes a lot more difficulty than to, for an example, stab a german minister in the neck.
Trumps not stupid, and neither is your secret service.
But yes, the constantly growing "I wanna shoot him in the head, hez Hitler!" is kind of grating.
>>66412910
It's scary how no one really got punished for it. Even the killer is out of jail already. on "good behavior".
Our new nationalist leader, the spiritual successor to his assassinated predecessor, lives in safe houses and is always surrounded by a dozen body guards. We woke the fuck up after that one. It was the first political assassination in hundreds of years.
>>66412910
>If it can happen in your country so easily and without repercussions to the perpetrators then it can easily happen here.
Nah, unlike Pim, Trump has security (even secret service) and in the worst case scenario, Trump has a CCL. You guys have security fixed much better than this pacifist anti-gun country could wish for.
Meanwhile protestors here manages to get within a 1 meter distance from Pim multiple times.
People have also become a lot more skeptical about the media, so smear campaigning will be harder.
can we save europe?
>>66413403
Managed*
As bad as the Wiemar Republic was, It took 14 years before It was overthrown
>>66413578
14 years is nothing when you look at the surrounding events and slower communication methods of the time.
>>66413692
Still; Europe only REALLY started to fall off the wayside in the past 4 years or so, you can't expect a revolution every time a crack appears
Things are slowly crumbling, a few more paris's and colognes, a few more bailouts, a few more independence movements and eventually the something will cause the whole system to shatter.
