Why is freedom so important to Americans? There is such a thing as too much freedom, you know. Freedom can enable degenerates to do some pretty fucking awful things.
>>66379686
I'd rather die on my feet then live on my knees
>>66379686
>There is such a thing as too much freedom, you know
t. freshman in philosophy 101
What happened is Jews continually redefined "freedom" to mean things that the constitution never intended. Like obscene imagery.
Plus, pre civil war the individual STATES had the power to enact moral and religious laws, these sort of things were only prevented as federal law via things like the establishment clause.
Many states actually required church attendance for voting or holding offices. This was constitutional because the sovereignty of states was very much respected.
There is too much freedom but limit is far higher than your Naziboo ass thinks it is.
>Freedom can enable degenerates to do some pretty fucking awful things.
And it can also enable you to completely cut any and all of those things from your life, If done right.
>>66379686
>Why is freedom so important to Americans?
It is literally why our country is here. It is the entire reason for our existence. It is our national cultural heritage.
Fuck off to Canada.
>>66379686
because natural selection, only the strong and smart should survive
>>66381401
Ha, There is no such thing as too much freedom, unless you need it to protect your weak ass.
Sure, degenerates should have the freedom to walk arround naked, and I should have the freedom to FRY BACON right next to them.
>>66381666
you're correct, but you probably misinterpret the founders' idea of Freedom because you were schooled in a post-60's sexual revolution culture.
Freedom of speech never included porn or faggot rights.
>>66379686
true
the point is, the US has never had the kind of "Freedoms" actually defined by the constitution since pre Civil War.
>>66381836
its a shame the founders couldn't anticipate this
they needed to have an anti degenerate amendment
once trump wins and the liberals leave we can hold a constitutional convention and blow the liberals and globalists out of the water
>>66381558
States didn't have the "power" to, they had the freedom to.
We are always able enough and powerful enough to self govern, but not always free to.
A community that isn't free to self govern isn't free.
Limits on a community's freedom to self govern are rights. If it isn't a right, then the community is free to restrict it.
>>66382142
honestly all that has to happen is the internet completely removed from private use.
anonymity is literally the cause of most degeneracy we see
>>66381836
>misinterpret the founders' idea of Freedom
Depends on the founder. You would undoubtedly consider some of them extreme degenerates.
Especially Franklin.
>>66382472
no it isn't its all how you use it
Degeneracy has flourished with the destruction of Christian culture
>>66382472
>honestly all that has to happen is the internet completely removed from private use.
Fuck off Hillary.
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>>66379686
A community's freedom to govern itself is freedom. A community should be free to restrict behavior that is not a right.
>>66379686
if freedom enables degeneracy, then atheism enables immorality?
>>66382601
and it was the industrial revolution, urbanization and modern technology that by and large is responsible for the destruction of Christian culture.
The south fought for it in the civil war and lost to big industry.
>>66379686
>Freedom can enable degenerates to do some pretty fucking awful things.
Then that isn't a problem with freedom, is it? Its a problem with degenerates.
Funny how the exact same thing can be said about guns
>>66382736
bingo. that's exactly what I was getting at.
My internet comment was kinda playing devil's advocate, but it is completely true that things like the net disrupt the sense of small communities, which could police themselves and organically reduce degeneracy
The truth is people just want to be left alone in their daily lives with the ability to pursue their interests. Anything else involving freedom is just feel-good (or fear-mongering) rhetoric.
>Americans
>caring about freedom
you guys literally banned alcohol for like ten years
>>66381836
It was, the constitution was meant to limit the federal government, it wasn't meant to apply to the states.
The US is supposed to be a loose alliance of states not the centralized country it is today.
>>66383398
>>leaf understanding America better than most Americans in thread
you got it, but for the last 60 years or so liberals / marxists have been abusing the idea of "freedom" to mean things it doesn't - namely federal "liberation" of individuals from state laws (this is basically what happened with gay rights and racial integration)
>>66379686
Freedom works when you aren't controlled by political correctness and can socially shame people freely. Also when there's a common religion or moral guideline that people all agree with, whether that's the constitution or the Christianity. Without something like these, freedom will only lead to division and all kinds of degeneracy that comes with it.
>buh dem phukken d-genz bro
People are going to do what they want in spite of restrictive social policies. If you want to live like a eunuch that's on you.
>>66383785
Promote the general welfare is repeated multiple times in the constitution, its interpretation widely varies.
That being said, I believe a decentralized system is preferable.
>>66379686
>Freedom can enable degenerates to do some pretty fucking awful things.
That's so you can know who is a degenerate and who is leading an upstanding life by their own volition. Would you really prefer to have to guess?
>>66379686
Totalitarian societies only work when they are mono-ethnic.
We are not going to be ruled by jews in the way russians were in the soviet union.
Not now.
Not ever.
Understand?
>>66381774
And look how that turned out here in America....A Nation is a People, It's blood, not abstract ideals
I'm with OP. Freedom to Americans is just Freedom to do degenerate shit, I would be perfectly happy in an Authoritarian Pro-White State
>>66386958
If you don't think culture is a huge fucking part of what makes a nation you are an ignorant nigger.
>freedom can enable degenerates to do some pretty fucking awful things.
and you have the freedom to defend against them by using an AR15 rifle if they pull that shit on you. so what's the problem? and if they're doing those awful things to eachother in private, why would you care?
>>66387523
If you don't think culture is largely a manifestation of race you are an ignorant nigger
>>66386958
>>66381774
Also want to say that with unlimitied freedom you are just opening the door for degenerates to thrive and eventually try to undo the freedoms to stop people who oppose them, which you would have to get people to oppose them violently if necessary. As we can see that stops happening eventually, Amerilards today won't fight for shit. The only way to prevent subversion by the weak and degenerate is to not give them unlimited freedom, hence you come back to needing a strong state
>>66388013
Listen you little shit, you excluded half the picture, I didn't.
>>66388180
1st off you are referencing 2 different anons.
2nd last time I checked we consider an African who drinks tea and wears a Union Jack to still be a nigger, and thus not British, regardless of culture
>>66388028
Oh fuck off you fucking pussy. You don't want a say in what they do with your money, how much they take, you don't want them to protect your full rights, you are a submissive cuck of the highest fucking order.
Authoritarianism is for momma's boys who need the societal equivalent of parents to tell them what to do all the time. Nut up you fucking faggot, your grandparents fought fascism to the fucking death and would hate your weeb hitler obsession.
You're a fucking disappointment.
Freedom in the west occurred within the constraints of community standards and family responsibilities.
In Culture of Critique, MacDonald feels the jews have purposely attempted to abuse the concept of 'freedom' by atomizing each person as a TOTAL individual - removed from tradition, community, family, societal norms
By promoting this idea of 'freedom' they have been able to do tremendous damage to white gentile nations.
The fact is many people do need guidance that comes from the experience of hundreds of tears of trial and error - a culture
He feels Jews do better in an atomized society, because they maintain a cohesive culture through judiaism itself - also they have high IQs which help insulate them from the extremes when the culture degenerates
>>66386958
Welfare threw a big wrench in the gears of human evolution.
I can make too much freedom return to Just Right easier than I can make too little freedom do the same.
>>66388521
>US
>Anywhere near any European nation in length of history, defined culture and defined ethnicity.
This is why Europe trying to emulate us will fail. We're arguably the best this system will ever work.
>>66388574
I'm a half jew and autistic and hate myself all the time. I don't even have the cohesion and nepotism of kikes to be a community to me, nor do I want it.
>>66388760
technology did more than welfare in that regard
the Founders' ideas of freedom made sense in a pre-industrial society where landed life how most people lived.
Industrial revolution ruined everything
>>66379686
Hahahaha holy shit OP is a giant fucking cuckold
