People in my university believe you cannot defeat ISIS through force
>>66315100
People in universities tend to believe a lot of foolish things.
>>66315100
I'd probably cut their heads off.
>>66315100
Your school sounds like prime recruiting grounds for the Caliphate. Insallah
>>66315100
how the fuck else are you supposed to defeat them? i haven't heard one person offer a rational alternative.
>>66315527
They say by tackling climate change and social inequality
>>66315527
listen to them because they're right?
>the time we invaded a country with no terrorists to get rid of the terrorists and then it got taken over by a terrorist army
if force can't even get rid of 0 terrorists without creating terrorists, how's it going to get rid of a terrorist army without creating a terrorist mega army?
>>66315527
why do we need to defeat them again?
>>66315100
Do you bleed?
>>66315593
Thats the next generation of leaders. A bunch of retards. The future is bleak lads...
>>66315100
Force is an integral component in any campaign against ISIS, but force alone will not be sufficient. Force may prevent the caliphate from maintaining any sort of lasting brick-and-mortar infrastructure, but as long as the jihadists can keep recruiting fresh personnel, we shall never be rid of them entirely. And new recruits will keep going over for as long as ISIS can keep selling their ideals.
In short, gentlemen, we must also engage and defeat ISIS on the battlefield of memes if we are to enjoy any lasting success against them.
How do we fight and win the meme war, /pol/?
>>66315100
Why would the west want to defeat its own proxy army anyway?
>>66315100
They are completely right english man. If you squeeze ISIS in their territory they'll migrate and explode themselves inside your own country like they usually do. The only way to defeat it is to convert them to Christianity or some shit. There is no other way.
build a wall around the middle east and let them fight and kill each other until they get it all out of their systems
>>66315749
what's the other option? let them take over the rest of the region?
>>66316445
Maybe stop funding Israel and Saudi Arabia and the problem might take care of itself.
>>66315100
The Easterling has always been difficult to overcome by Force, but, only to the civilized.
>Rome
>Crusaders
>USSR
>USA
But there is one they fear...
>The Mongol
The Mongol is a barbaric animal but majestic in all his ways.
The Mongol spared no Arab, all were slain.
The Rivers ran black with ink and the streets red with blood.
The Arab fears the day that the Horselords of the grassen sea will ride again.
My brothers, he will ride again.
the anti western ideology will still be there no matter how many bombs you drop on them.destroying villages and killing civilians will only lead to more hatred so you can kill off one radical group but another one will only pop up to replace it. these people dont really fear death so its a hard problem to contain.
there isn't really any alternative. making peace with them wont work because they hate western values. the only possible scenario i can think of is just killing all of them
>>66315100
>People in my university believe you cannot defeat ISIS through force
Brute force is only way to defeat them. Kill 'em all and plenty of their dependents, that is only way to defeat 'em. Counter insurgency warfare requires decades of occupation or genocide to be effective.
>>66316552
Except the Saudis are wealthy as fuck and invested their oil profits back into weapons and madrasas.
How does defunding both countries and leaving the region in ruins lead to the problem taking care of itself?
>>66316445
>Muh ISIS surrounding Baghdad
It's a stalemate. Just a slow, choking death from here on out for ISIS in Syria/Iraq. They aren't gaining substantial ground anywhere.
The only real danger of ISIS is them spreading to places like Libya, and this danger is only increased by creating more and more power vacuums via military action.
(Do you notice how ISIS seems to be forming in the wake of American military efforts?)
You're a moron if you're trying to understand complex geopolitics and complex ideological movements with a template that goes "The bad guys are there, we gotta get em."
>>66317222
Because Saudi funds ISIS ya twat.
>>66315100
Well, it' s an ideology. You can' t change that by force. Only by time, education and persistency.
But I' m afraid those traits are lost with most politicians.
>>66315593
please kill them all. that is if isis doesnt first
>>66315644
Then why have they been terorists since way before any "invasion" took place?
>>66315100
>in my university
If it isn't Stanford or MIT, I don't give a fuck.
>>66317774
Holy shit, am I talking to a fucking 10 year old?
Do you know what the Iraq War was?
>>66317301
They'd never let ISIS take over the country in a million years though.
Is the royal family really retarded enough to be funding madrasas and ISIS at the same time? They're fighting them off in Yemen already.
THEY'RE CUTTING OFF HEADS
>>66315100
you can but they're fighting an ideological war as well
best way to fight you enemy is to win by not spending a single bullet
>you can't defeat ISIS through force!
How did was Nazi-Germany defeated?
>>66318233
Germans and Japanese worshipped false idols
that's why they surrendered
>>66318233
Nazi Germany and ISIS have basically nothing in common.
>>66315100
While force will be needed to destroy ISIS, it won't be enough to destroy them entirely; it's too easy for them to spread their ideology around the world. You kill them in one corner of the globe and they pop up in the next. You have to aggressively promote your own ideals and values against theirs and show people why yours are better. That way people won't be as susceptible to their propaganda. The problem is that we don't do this, because promoting anything Muslims disagree with is seen as racist and Islamophobic.
>>66317504
Of course you can change an ideology by force. How do you think islam spread in the first place? How do you think national socialism was destroyed? Just bomb the shit out of isis
>>66317623
Winning war like Iraq or Afghanistan against insurgents tend to either take decades or alternatively extremely brutal measures. Just staying in for few years like US did in Iraq just made insurgency to go underground for few years after troops surge. They resurfaced not too long after US pulled out from country.
>>66315527
By giving them foreign aid of course!!!!
>>66315100
You cannot kill an idea
If some foreign country was on my land I would fight and rally the troops to kick them out
>>66320634
>extremely brutal measures
>250,000+ dead in Afghanistan/Iraq
What do you mean by extremely brutal measures exactly? Genocide?
Are you suggesting we need to massacre hundreds of thousands of civilians in Syria/Iraq to prevent the possibility of more shooting rampages in America/Europe?
