Why does democratic socialism work for Norway but wouldt for the USA?
>>66282115
Short answer is that it doesn't and that it does is a myth propagated by the American left.
Norway is 99% white
the US is 60% white
>>66282115
Norway = white
USA = not white
because norway has oil and small population
now has no oil and it will go to the toilet
>>66282115
it doesn't work, the whole country is actually about to collapse
we had a bunch of oil moneys to use. Running or starting a business here is also fucked, if you check the raitings we're the 5th worst place in the entire world to run a business. North Korea at the bottom ofc
Race stats and relatively recent disoveries of oil.
>>66282265
>>66282295
I am not saying I dont believe you, because I do but I would like sources to show to some of my Bernie coworkers why socialism is dumb.
>>66282115
small population and all white people
america has a large population and dindus and spics
norway won't last much longer
>>66282265
Why do people keep saying because of "small population"?
Do people think one group of people are going to control every district in the US?
You set up every town, city and state to care for itself and you get the same result
>>66282295
I know is bad and will eventually change radically or collapse, but do you think that will be soon?
>>66282403
it is far easier to manage small populations, specially if they are homogeneous
>>66282516
Fuck off.
>>66282115
Wealthy, white, productive, people mind their own business... Norway isn't forced to defend the world as the west's personal police force, nor is it forced to pay for the madness it costs to maintain that power. These are just a couple out of hundreds of reasons why it's working, for now. Nothing lasts for ever though.
>>66282423
You were rather smart with your oil money, you can delay it and recover in that period to soften the blow.
Saudi Arabia and similar fuckholes that just spent their money on shiny things will crash and burn.
>>66282585
>norwegians
>productive
kek man, almost everyone born after oil boom is lazy as fuck, the infamous oljiebarna
>>66282516
How is it any different if the system is set up for regions taking care of themselves?
>>66282516
Fuck off Randy.
>>66282295
i think you have no clue what you're talking about, muhammed. how is the country about to collapse? in what manner?
>>66282295
I almost want to move there to start a business now.
>>66282403
it's an incredibly retarded argument and shouldn't matter as long as the country's economy can afford those services. Higher population most of the times will also imply bigger economy
Two words.
Native.
Population.
>>66282969
Why?
>>66282902
The "higher population" and "it works better in homogenous countries" is a dog whistle for "I HATE NIGGERS". There absolutely no reason single payer wouldn't work in the US, and it's not "socialism" to implement it either. Sanders isn't even running on a socialist platform.
>>66282115
Oil and demographics.
A huge natural resource funds their socialist society. Their altruistic white population keeps it from spending itself into oblivion.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/08/magazine/the-other-reason-europe-is-going-broke.html
So pretty much it only works for a while because transition from generation to generation puts more strain on the welfare system right?
>>66282295
>Implying North Korea doesn't have the best businesses in the world and the decadent west isn't just spreading anti-DPRK propaganda
>>66282115
It doesn't, but socialism has a tendency to be more effective in small homogeneous societies where everyone contributes. Ironic, that multiculturalism damages it's sustainability.
>>66282115
Niggers and Mexicans
It's really too bad most first world countries are going broke because of social programs. Maybe one day we can surpass the need of humane treatment of people, and make the world great again.
>>66283154
in the end, you are happier to contribute for the children of people that shares your roots and culture than some random sandninger that just wants ginsmedats and bring his culture to your country
Democratic socialism doesn't exist anywhere in the world at the moment.
>>66283022
If everyone feels like one people there is far less of an issue with the idea of "spreading the wealth". You'd still have workers hating neets and shit, but it's not the same as Having Abdul and Kavinski sit around and suck up gibs while making the Norwegian not want to share the wealth.
>>66283386
That sounds too idealistic, normies want systems that work, they don't care about "feeling united as a people" just to get hospitals, libraries, museums or the postal service to function
>>66283340
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany
> It upholds a social security and universal health care system, environmental protection and a tuition-free university education.
> Germany has a social market economy
I don’t know why people are deluded into thinking there is a “perfect” system. You have to tweak the system and keep it balanced. A pure socialist country becomes totalitarian state control of everyone’s lives. A purely capitalistic society with no social safety net leaves millions of disabled people dying in the streets. It doesn’t have to be all one or the other…We have to try things and see if they work and adjust as we go. We can always reverse course if there are problems. I don’t think the US needs to become socialist to right the wrongs of this society. We do, however, need to close the loopholes that allow the 1% to cheat and write their own regulations. We need capitalism to be fair and not legalize immoral behavior which is what we have now. It’s also worth noting that as long as we’re policing the world with this giant military budget it makes paying for social services for the people that can’t make it under a capitalist system that much harder. If Europe was footing their own military bill I doubt they’d be able to provide free health care and education to everyone.
>>66283059
Don't think it has anything to do with race. It's just a lazy excuse to cancel any further conversation about it. 'Free' education and health care works (with its ups and downs) in plenty of european countries yet somehow it shouldn't work in the usa because muh big population and muh heterogeneous society. It works in germany with 80m, works in spain with 47m, works in uk with 64m, etc all those countries with people from all over the world, so it could perfectly work in the different states of the usa.
Norway sounds like a great country until you find out that everybody's salaries are publicly listed.
>>66283947
It could work, but a lot of people seem to feel the need to spite others just because. There's absolutely no reason not to go single payer or have free education because it will end up being cheaper per person through taxation than private services. Yet people have this mindset of "fuck you, got mine" or "I did it on my own, so should you".
>>66284167
And in America, you can be fired for telling your coworkers how much you're being paid. Land of the free.
>>66283795
Why do people always die "in the streets"? Why don't they just off in a bush somewhere?
>>66284167
How is that bad?
>>66283634
Yes, it has certain socialist aspects like many countries.
>>66283947
>works in spain
>20% unemployement
>works in germany
>wageslave robots
>works in pakistan
just kek
>>66284262
Wonderful comparison, you are clearly not retarded.
>>66284338
So healthcare is responsible for unemployment in Spain or that Pakistan is a third world country, or what are you actually trying to argue?
>>66282115
Less niggers less spics less muslims
The more they get of those socialism will fail
Socialism only works in white only countrys
>>66284468
they welfare state is the reason they are heading (or already are) to a economical collapse
also
>sweden
>>66284468
The healthcare takes away freedumbs and makes you communist.
t. freedomfat
>>66282295
All the non-whites are draining your economy
Once you add niggers and muslims you cant do socialism
>>66283947
What are we qualifying as "works?"
>tiny oil state
Saudi Arabia has all of that free shit too, and they're a theocratic monarchy.
>>66282115
America is too fat to afford free health care and too lazy to increase the welfare state. in this case I mean niggers and white trash. its unfortunate that if we got rid of the south our country would be much better off. we shoulda let the confederates have it.
From the same countries that are socialist/democratic socialist are saying the economy is falling/ it ist. Can I get some sources please
EVEN IF socialism doesn't utterly destroy a society's economy, the effects of it go beyond that
It causes complacency and stagnates innovation, plus it straight up doesn't make sense to take more money from people just because they have more than some others do
>>66283947
The question is, WHY should the USA do these things if it is not, and why do you care whether they do or not? If it works in your country, splendid. USA likes to do things differently. It's not always a good idea, but its like the loner kid that wants to stand out and does something ostentatious for attention.
how many socialists does it take to screw in a light bulb?
>>66284865
>It causes complacency and stagnates innovation
That isn't happening in America? Please man, give me a break.
>>66285072
And guess who is our current president
>>66282163
this.
niggers.
>>66285072
Sorry, where are all the top tech companies from? Where's silicon valley? What colleges are famous for producing venture capitalist projects? What country has a Rover on Mars?
Chinks are beating us in genetics, but we're at the forefront of nearly every other serious field of study. Eat shit, leaf. Go welcome some refugees.
>>66285203
Obama?
>>66282295
If we continue as the rest of Europe, then we will collapse. We need a government that will hold the norwegian people together and take actions when needed. Even if it means war.
>>66282115
Because, to be perfectly frank, Norway has a total population of five million people, and twenty percent of that lives in just five cities.
To maintain a socialist infrastructure to cover 320 million people that are spread out across a very, VERY large area is not feasible.
>>66283022
It fosters a hostile working environment. If one of your coworkers (here at least, don't know about where you are) hears that you make even just slightly more money for the same job, they treat you negatively, which also lowers productivity.
Even just a rumor that someone is getting paid more gets drama going a lot of the time.
>>66283795
Good post.
>>66282115
Bernie Sanders likes to point out the success of Nordic countries and attributes the success to our political system. However, he neglects the mention that Romania and Greece have the same system. Consider this: the average african american has the same or higher yearly income than Greeks and most eastern european countries. The african american people is a failed people in many aspects. Yet, they make more money than almost all of Eastern Europe! This is how good the american system is.
The reason Scandinavian countries are so wealthy is because we a have lot of human capital. Our work ethic is essentially the same as Germany. We would thrive in pretty much any political system other than all out communism.
>>66285377
Your country has a large population and is home to many large corporations. You also have a lot of prestigious schools, many of which were founded by the state.
That doesn't mean things can't be better without hurting business. America was not always the way it is today. Socialized healthcare and free post-secondary would serve to tap the potential of many people who are not wealthy, but who are smart and hardworking.You say that free education will devalue your degree; is it not already devalued? All employers expect you to have post-secondary education now.
>>66284611
speaking for spain, as in not having to pay a dime for any treatment or hospitalization. It works best for emergencies, taken care of instantly. A general visit with your family doctor will take a week. Something not serious like a dermatologist visit for eczema may take some weeks, sometimes months, so you may want to pay ~50€ for a private doctor visit instead.
For example, my father had an embolism, bed in hospital for almost three months, intensive physical therapy for 3 months to relearn how to walk and talk, and has been receiving physical therapy twice a week since (almost 10 years). Ambulances, wheelchair, meds, crutches, etc all included. Since he's old and my mother works all day they also send a woman every mid day to cook for him. Not a single cent paid. Same goes for cancer treatments and such. The serious stuff is usually well taken care of and quickly. Not perfect, no luxuries but tends to work fine.
>>66284937
nobody cares what you do, it's simply the fact that a big and diverse population is a lazy excuse for it not to work
>>66285834
> Consider this: the average african american has the same or higher yearly income than Greeks and most eastern european countries.
Consider this: if a romanian needs to stay a week in a hospitable, because he got Ulcer, and recives blood transfer, he doesn't have to pay for anything at that time, because he & others paid taxes for universal health care.
in glorious 'murica you pay 2000$ just to enter the hospital
>>66286104
>what is insurance
>>66286252
In 'murica: something only wealthy people with good jobs have.
>>66282115
monolithic white society
>>66285399
What did he mean by this?
Are you following politics at all, Pelle? Go check out sylvi listhaug din jævla mongo and stop posting if you have no insight of any value.
>>66286339
One of my single coworkers is paying $160/month for great health insurance. That's nothing. I mean, not Romanian "nothing", but that's like, a good night out on a weekend.
>>66286339
So anyone who isn't a lazy asshole living on welfare? Correct.
Protestent ethic
Small
Homogenous
Sitting on shit ton of oil
>>66285834
To expand on my post and to share some of the negative aspects of the Norwegian political system. Let me paint an Orwellian picture. In Norway, private kindergartens, elementary,-middle, and high schools are practically non existent due to being them being with illegal with some very few exceptions. Not only this, it is estimated by the national statistic bureau, that 40% percent of Norwegians work in the public sector. In addition a significant amount of the population are pensioners.
What this means is that over half of the Norwegian population are directly dependant on the government to provide for them. If this doesn’t sound terrifying to you then there is something wrong with you.
>>66282115
Norway doesn't have as strong oligarchs as in USA to oppose them.
You try to fight against Fords and Vanderbilts and Rockefellers, see how that turns out for you.
>>66283625
It matters when you're talking about Services you don't use yourself, like welfare.
>>66282585
This. Crazy oil reserves for its size, and you are not the military arm of the New World Order. We spend more on bombs per capita than anybody.
I mean, don't get me wrong. I would way rather be buying bombs to drop on mudslimes and sending slack-jawed youth to their demise in the name of patriotism than see one penny go to the shitbag do-nothings who abuse the welfare systems in this country and pretend to be disabled. But the fact still remains that even if we wanted to, we can't. We've got death to dish out.
>>66282115
Real socialism means nationalizing industries like energy/telecoms/insurance ect.
In theory this sounds great, instead of a handful of executives making all the money and foreign shareholders, your country gets all the profits.
In reality this is what happens: the government appoints their inept cronies to run the socialized businesses, and the business is not allowed to carry a balance or save any money as the government just takes everything.
Ergo your rates for socialized insurance, hydro/oil/energy, medical ect all go up every single year because there is no reserve funds and constantly corrupt gov cronies are parachuted in to collect ever increasing bonuses.
source: my province: insurance, hydro and numerous other industries are socialized here but it disappears into neoliberal government corruption.
>>66286573
and I'm sure this insurance has a limit on what they would be willing to spend if he needed expensive surgery. That doesn't happen in public healthcare systems (though they have other problems instead)
>>66286573
And with that insurance: if one day he he calla an ambulance, stay in hospital for a week, recieve blood transfer and some other medical treatements for ulcer; in the end will he be charge more?
>>66287020
$2,500 deductible (he would have to pay that) and then unlimited.
>>66287045
No. It's good insurance.
>>66284200
Oh there's plenty of reason to not have free education.
It's extremely simple: the entire college model is so damn broken and antiquated it's not even funny. It needs to be rebuilt from the ground up before I'm willing to throw any (more) of my taxes at it. It's shit. and it's inefficient to boot. Absolute total shit. If we publicly fund the whole thing we are just going to enable that shitty mode of 'educating' people forever and it will never improve itself.
>>66282115
This link (divide the number by the population which is 5 million):
http://www.nbim.no/en/
And this youtube vid will enlighten you on this subject:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKez6vEfR3Y
>>66282295
been wanting to make my own company for years but i know the only way i could really do it is by moving out and i dont want to do that right now
>>66287135
Free education worked well in Cuba because they prevented any of their people from leaving the island.
In Argentina, where there isn't communist controls on movement all their best professors and scientists immediately flee that country for somewhere else to make real money, leaving their universities with shit profs and their schools become non competitive.
Also the US does have free education, it's called Ivy league. No Ivy league student pays tuition anymore they fully grant their fees away for years now because the university makes so much money off them patenting their PhD research.
>>66282723
The US states are by now very dependent on the federal government. They're really awful at running themselves as they are, and I wouldn't trust them to handle socialized anything.
As for the broader argument against socialism in the US, I think it mostly has to do with what we're currently using our budget for. A huge part of our budget is for the military, something that socialized nations don't really have to worry about. We're effectively helping fund socialism abroad by defending those nations with our military.
>>66287262
Just register an offshore corp in Delaware it's dirt cheap, takes a few weeks and tax haven. Run your startup out of based Trumplandia
>>66287358
And the war George W Bush started was also a "socialism funding"?
>>66287260
>"All investments are outside of Norway" [speaking of the oil fund]
What. So the fund is just there to generate more money, but not directly support the creation of local businesses??
>>66287619
Local business (and all other forms of business) and entrepreneurship is considered haram here.
>>66287595
Just think how many MORE brown people Europe would be overrun with right now if we hadn't freedomed their assholes wide open with Marines and Missiles.
Remember that population grows logarithmically, especially in middle east shitholes. Every child, teenager, and fertile adult we manage to kill off prevents literal hundreds of shitbag brown people from being born and moving to otherwise-civilized lands.
Europe should literally be paying us for this valuable service. We've gotten really good and efficient at it and we will only get better.
>>66282403
This would be ideal, unfortunately the progressive cucks shit their panties every time they hear the phrase "state's rights", thinking there's states who will literally try to bring back slavery
>>66285929
>your degree has less value now that everyone gets it so shouldn't we make it worse?
Kill yourself.
>>66287994
> Just think how many MORE brown people Europe would be overrun with right now
wat???It would have been far less. Dictators keep people in their place. Ceausescu kept romanians in Romania, Kim Jong-un keeps north koreans in NK.
ISIS wouldn't be a problem if your goverment didn't decided to fuck up the middle east.
>>66288584
They would have gotten out eventually, gypsy. It was inevitable.
Now shut up and count your trinkets; let us do our job. Maybe if you all would cough up a few bucks for the cause we could assign another carrier group or hire more security contractors.
Someone on reddit told me this girl is average in norway, is it true?
>>66288926
> let us do our job.
Which is to fuck up even more the ME and get cheap oil for the pick up trucks of your christfuck retarded south population? Got it.
>>66288963
No, but our 6 is your 8.
>>66288963
Was in Oslo last Jan and can definitely confirm
>>66288963
I don't understand. She looks average here too.
>>66287994
dude we would just start killing them en masse without your human rights rhetoric. Also i do think your government wants Europe to become less stable and a shithole full of minorities like Americas.
But it all ended back in 1945.
>>66289243
Are you telling me this girl looks average?
>>66283625
>they don't care about "feeling united as a people"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_D._Putnam#Diversity_and_trust_within_communities
>more diversity in a community is associated with less trust both between and within ethnic groups
>>66282902
Largely its less of, higher population but more of larger infrastructure that has to be built on a massively more distributed scale. Can you imagine trying to meet similar levels of services equally distributed across populations that range from 10's to 10's of millions across a country that is two and a half times the size of the combined European union?
Cause Usa has a to big population for it to work
Such things only work with homogeneity and smaller populations. It would never work in larger multicultural nations.
>>66289644
ewww larger multicultural nations.
Switzerland > USA/China/Russia/Brazil
>>66289227
You clearly haven't been to Northern Norway. Up there, they're fat, weak-chinned, and edgy as fuck. Like the redneck version of a lefty from a single mother. Also, possible FAS.
>>66282115
>Why does democratic socialism work for Norway
It doesn't.
You guys are pretty much capitalist.
because there used to be no niggers.
im a life long marxist, but I realize nationalism iis the only way to socialism (Based Stalin and TiTo). Cant have social democracy when niggers are raping your women
>>66289360
Yeah, man. It's a nice photo, but she's average.
>>66289772
Fuck off, she's damn gorgeous
>>66289762
Stalin was a shitskin gruzin. Of course, Americans are too ignorant to understand that gruzin is not Russian.
>>66289101
I need that oil for my lavish lifestyle. If you wanted it you should have been less of a shitty country and taken it yourselves. Don't be mad at me just because I'm reaping the benefits.
And FYI I live in the North, and drive an SUV. Get it right.
>>66289856
Gypsy, she is average.
>>66289874
remove trotskyists.
>>66289891
And you still think your country is doing some "social funding" for the middle east?
>>66289891
I like your style. Enjoy it until you can.
>>66289344
How are you going to kill them, you got a plan there meatball? You have no personal firearms to defend yourselves with and your military is non-existent because you depend on your big brother America to do all the dirty work.
You'd have been overrun in weeks if the Mudbrick Madness had truly reached critical mass before overflowing. Learn some damned gratitude towards the people paying taxes for this much-needed extermination.
>>66290067
What???
No. I am indirectly funding the socialism of Europe because I'M the one paying to wipe that sandy shithole clean. The rest of you just sit there and gripe about how awful America is.
No economic system actually "work" in a sense. It's the best of the worst until some Star Trek utopia pleases all expect some foilheads.
The Nordic system has worked so far (hasn't it really?), and will unless neo-liberal politicians fuck that up.
>>66290178
"personal firearms".
Americans really are retarded Jesus fucking Christ.
>>66283227
>>66290370
Don't be mad that we are the only country left still capable of replacing our government if we got the mind to do so.
>>66282115
culture: submissive, believe in consensus, group before individuality, as recently as 50 years ago it was one of the poorest countries in Europe - so there's less inclination towards entrepreneurship and less expectation of amassing wealth, lots of monopolies have people acclimated towards high prices / few people react negatively to paying two to three times as much for the same thing, population is tiny... barely 5 million people, oil has been like a cash printing machine - without it, Norway wouldn't be recognizable
and as others have accurately commented: demographics - it's been a large majority of native Norse and Northern European inhabitants. No foreign influences or population till recent decades / years. With a massive influx of people from 3rd world, everything they've created is liable to collapse - that's the reality of multiculturalism that most people won't admit for fear of accusations of "das rayciss"
that's all well and good, but we'll see how inclusive you are when your social/welfare services evaporate
>>66289360
She looks basic af
>>66290539
must add:
Bernie Sanders supporters are like the weeaboos of socialism - like that Davido nut who moved to Japan thinking it'd work... these morons who back Sanders have no CLUE what it would mean to actually implement - how radically and irreversibly the country would change as a result. It's a support born of ignorance - and it blows my mind that people actually believe that relinquishing personal freedom and giving massive amounts of wealth to the government / increasing it even further ---- how they think that'll actually result in anything other than totalitarian disaster
how delusional are these people? I look at Sanders fans and I honestly just see weeaboos - like some fat white dude thousand and thousands of miles away trying to educate a Jap about life in Japan
>>66290539
>as recently as 50 years ago it was one of the poorest countries in Europe
When will this meme ever end. The misconception that Norway used to a poor country stems from the fact we relied on Danish grain import due having next to no arable land. This resulted in famines every time England was at war with Denmark.
>>66282403
Because as we have seen in Sweden centralisation is never anything the state tries to do.
I am from the north of "Norrland" (basically the northern half of Sweden) and since the votes are out at the coast all the healthcare and stuff is out there too.
This has lead to the fact that even though we have heavy industry here we don't have emergency surgery. This is despite the fact that the mining company said they could pay for it. The social democrats has removed healthcare that would have been free for them just because they were too full of pride to admit that they were wrong to remove it in the first place.
>>66290967
it's not a meme, man - not at all
it it back to WW2 and before - it was an insular agrarian country with little movement ... pretending like we were some affluent, cosmopolitan regional hub is severely misleading when comparing us to actual economic and political powerhouses of the day
Norway pre-oil is incomparable to post-oil
we used to be poor as fuck, friend
>>66290794
She is the epitome of female beauty, of course she is going to be basic. What reason does she have to develop an interesting personality?
>>66290967
I agree with everything you said, by the way - you're describing the same things I'm referring to
we're on the same page
>>66282115
it doesn't work for norway, they're just too small to have spent all the oil money yet.
>>66290520
yes, yes. Good replacement.
>>66282115
it works for quite a while in homogenous countries. and I'm not talking about race, just that people are equally willing to work. It worked for a few decades in Austria as well. It's going down right now and the leftists dont know what to blame.
>>66291683
Americans are easy to please. They just get their firearms and they are fine cause the are "capable of replacing" their government, with its huge armed forces and military infrastructures.
Your Gun is gonna make the difference, Aaron. Guns and guts.
>>66291352
AY HOL UP SENPAI
WE WUZ KANGZ
at maritime shipping
Our merchant fleet was one of the greatest before WW2
We weren't rich, but we weren't poor either.
>>66282115
Sardines are easy to rule.
