So I got into a heated discussion regarding the wage gap between men and women in the USA. So.... Are women ACTUALLY paid less than men for the same exact job?? Cuz I lead to believe not. Are there statistics out there?
>>66025676
Back to /tumblr/
Bye.
>>66025676
you forgot to say pic related
>>66025676
>women all take gender studies arts and psychology
>national average shows men earning more
MUH PATRIARCHY
>>66025676
No, they're not. The problem is that the statistics compare jobs in the same INDUSTRY, not jobs with the same TITLE.
They also completely fail to account for seniority, prior experience, and about a billion other aspects that lead to the $.077 myth.
>>66025676
No, they're paid less in the aggregate.
Not politics but politicians bring it up so you have a pass. I make more than just about every girl I graduated with. Granted I'm young so not all of them are in full time yet but fuck them. I got in my trade at 18, I work long hours and I only spend money to build credit and get drunk. If Trudeau thinks the pay gap is real I sure as hell don't want to be sober the next 4 years
>>66025676
Every stat you see that demonstrates wage inequality does not account for the increased time away from work that women take on average. If you correct for this you find negligible difference in pay. If you compare salary positions you literally find no difference between the sexes.
>>66025928
HOW COME THERE AREN'T AS MANY WOMEN BOSSES AS MEN THEN U CISCO SHOT LORD
>>66025676
Think about it. If you could get away with paying women less then men, wouldn't there be more women in the workplace then men as a cost saving measure? It's not real and doesn't exist.
Why would you be arguing about such a ridiculous issue
Remember, you arguing is you giving the other side credence. If you just straight up dismiss the issue all together they can't do anything
>>66025676
Additionally, it has been shown that women are more likely to take a job offer without attempting to negotiate for better pay.
wage equality laws are just going to end up having everyone end up making less money.
>>66026135
b-but muh ovaries
>>66025928
its not even they compare statistical stand-alone numbers within industry. That's actually incorrect. The 77/100$ bullshit comes from comparing mens jobs to womens.
Men on average made (fake numbers) 100k/year b/c most are engineers, dangerous labourers, long-hour lawyers.
Women (made up numbers) make 77k b/c most are receptionists, PK teachers, admins, HR reps, etc.
pink collar pay for pink collar work.
There's no gap, everyone who isnt retarded or isn't being super disingenuous knows that
>>66026526
Most of the gap actually comes down to raw hours worked. Women work fewer hours due to taking parental leave time or leaving their careers altogether.
The "wagegap" meme-plex is a way for some people to justify their lack of success in life. There is nowagegap, unless you fail to negotiate a high-enoughwage. Thewage-gap meme serves to perpetuate falsehoods that only negatively impact the gender equality movement. The only people who still use statements like this are extremists who don't actually want equality, but want to drag men through the dirt by their balls, or the misinformed; both are equally as dangerous and detrimental to the gender equality movement.
And if you still need proof, here, educate yourself:
http://time.com/3222543/5-feminist-myths-that-will-not-die/
http://time.com/30545/its-time-to-end-rape-culture-hysteria/
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3TR_YuDFIFI
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/02/080204212846.htm
http://citation.allacademic.com/meta/p_mla_apa_research_citation/0/1/8/6/5/p18653_index.html
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303532704579483752909957472
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christina-hoff-sommers/wage-gap_b_2073804.html
http://www.educationnews.org/higher-education/study-women-favored-for-stem-tenure-track-jobs/
http://www.pnas.org/content/112/17/5360.abstract
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6EDykuMDLpM
http://pastebin.com/bfkB8vqw
http://takimag.com/article/feminist_fallout_a_roll_call_of_regrets_gavin_mcinnes/print#axzz3BY8F1OTw
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/atus.nr0.htm
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/bogus-aauw-study-perpetuates-wage-gap-myths/article/2512127
http://www.payscale.com/data-packages/gender-wage-gap/job-distribution-by-gender
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_elected_and_appointed_female_heads_of_state
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_elected_or_appointed_female_heads_of_government
http://www.jjmccullough.com/charts_rest_female-leaders.php
http://anti-feminism-pro-equality.tumblr.com/wagegap
http://anti-feminism-pro-equality.tumblr.com/wagegap2
So yea my girlfriend is now posting pseudo statistic bullshit on my timeline about gender differed pay difference. Whatever, make her look like a crazy tumblr bitch trying to demean her boyfriend thats cool.
This truly has to have been debunked. For her to claim if I worked her position I would make more is so false. I'm so fucking pissed
>>66025676
Women make 77 cents on the dollar compared to men, but that doesn't take into consideration type of work, hours worked, education, experience, etc. I think it's been demonstrated that the wage gap is closer to 7 cents on the dollar when you control for all the variables. That 7 cents is real, but a study conducted by one professor showed that women aren't as vocal compared to men when it comes to negotiating their salary and asking for raises. He conducted the study when a bunch of female teaching aids at his university bitched to the Dean when they didn't get teaching positions but a male colleague did. The dean told them that none of them asked, but the male did.
>>66026647
they also, on average, spend less time building seniority in comparable positions. Even HR Department Directors, women still work less than men, often come from less prestigious schools, do not perform at the same level as men, and have taken more time off work for children.
It all comes down to choices, but forget asking women to take any responsibility for anything they ever do.
Required viewing
Maddox: How Companies Can Save 23% On Employee Wages
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDj_bN0L8XM
>be on a software team
>have several developers (me), a product owner, and a business analyst (BA)
>BA is female, gets pregnant, starts taking a bunch of days off, has baby and takes a million months off
>team is left without BA
>find another BA inside the company to cover while she's out
>that BA also gets pregnant and has taken at least one day off per week to go to the doctor
>she'll pop soon and leave for a long while, too
mfw female BAs are hurting our productivity, really just want a man in the position. I hope they do get paid less.
>>66025676
worlds best babysitter. look at all the money she saved the parents.
>>66027216
Every day here too
>>66026271
it's not about profit, it is about power
You are paid what you are worth to your employer, that's the end of it.
>>66027163
Literally all that needs to be posted
Women aren't paid any less than men, they just pick lower paying jobs. (No your gender studies degree doesn't mean shit).
What are we sliding? We've literally been over this a thousand times and no sane person believes women get paid less than men doing the same job.
Women earn less than men.
EARN as in, they get what they work for, which is less than men.
They do less work than men, they don't bother to negotiate salary like men, they work easier jobs than men
>>66027253
Equal pay could have prevented this.
>>66025676
Wonen have tribally taken over whole industries. Publishing is almost all female, human resources is almost all female, journalism and teaching are far-majority female.
>>66027216
I know this feel.
And women dream up endless reasons to take time off, use all their sick days, vacations days, PTO, and then usually keep pushing it and use 'muh children' as an excuse to come in late, leave early, and never put in the overtime when all the guys are working 55+ hours a week while there's hardly a woman that ever gets overtime.
What's funny, is when you talk to them they're always telling you how they need the money and they're going to stay late or come in the weekends and then they do the exact opposite and put in 30 hours the next week.
>>66028313
>Companies care more about power than money
oh i am laffin
i bet companies also don't outsource..oh wait
Of course women are paid less than men for equal quality and amounts of work. This is why every company only hires women so they can save money.
>>66030235
Well yeah but the thing about that is
>publishing
>HR
>journalism
>important
