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ready to feel the bern?
Is Mexico paying for free college?
>>63713143
actually, he wants mexico to spend 30 billion for the wall
>>63713143
No, OP.
Fuck off, Chile.
We lose over 80 billion per year to illegal fucks in the US. If a $30B wall cuts the $80B figure to $40B, it's at least stopping the bleeding.
Bernie Sanders wants to open our arteries up even more.
>>63713143
10 billion is not nearly enough lmao,leave it to numale sjws to into math
America is a CHRISTIAN nation. We don't feed and clothe the poor, thats for Atheist commie countries.
The wall is actually a positive investment for our country.
>>63713143
>10 billion equals free education for everyone
LMAOOOOOOO
>>63713340
>We don't feed and clothe the poor
Sure we do achmed, just not with public funding. Nobody but retards and the mentally ill actually go hungry or freeze to death.
>>63713143
unsubstantiated
>>63713340
>Christian
>Doesn't feed and clothe the poor
Pick one
>>63713143
>$10 billion for healthcare and education
That's kind of like saying "I've saved up 25 cents for my new Ferrari"
Can't believe I have to filter the fucking MD5 of a twitter post. Can you just stop posting bait threads for one goddamn day of your fucking life? Produce good content, Jesus Christ, it's not hard.
>>63713143
That's some cheap fucking education and healthcare. How does he do it /pol/?
>>63713509
The government should enforce Christian values like banning gay marriage and abortion, but the values that would compel us to feed and clothe them should be ignored.
Its not what Jesus would want.
>>63713143
Nice try, Bernie.
GET HIM OUTTA HERE
>>63713143
>make college free
>massive surge in college students
>more professors need to be hired
>more campuses need to be built
>free college program goes way over budget
>save money by cutting the pay of professors
>American universities become public school tier
>market over-saturated with inexperienced college graduates
>bachelor degree worth as much as a high school degree
>feelthebern
>>63713847
>>>>>>rebbit.com/r/atheism
FAGGOT
>>63713509
this is true, just add drug addicts and severe alkys to the list
In Holland we have to chip in 1000 euro a year for a highschool, bachelor or master degree.
Our government pays the schools and universities the additional money they need. The jearly budget is 1 billion euro for the while kingdom.
Is this nigger implying 10 billion dollar would make all education free for every american? It wouldn't even cover fucking Ohio.
>>63713928
DIE
>>63713928
roll
>>63713928
Rollin
>>63713928
between the commie's eyes
>>63714133
Fug yeah one right to the neck.
>>63713143
>spend 10 billion over 8 years on free college
>spend on free
>>63714123
Sweet. I win.
>>63713143
Chile has been gradually catching up to Canada which has been gradually catching up to Australia.
Is this a new axis forming?
The axis of shit...posting?
WHO'S GOING TO PAY FOR THE WALL??
>>63714123
jesus christ man
how come Hillary got more delegates than Bernie in NH when he got more votes?
http://truthinmedia.com/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-delegate-count/
>>63714209
malvinas
It's 8 billion for the wall and MEXICO is paying for it.
>>63713340
Christians give other poor Christians food and clothing, I would only ever donate to a foreign country if it was because of some sort of major disaster like an Earthquake, and only if it's not some shitty nigger country in Africa.
>>63713143
Holy shit how are people still this uneducated.
Trump has said over and over that he's going to make Mexico pay for the wall.
Fucking REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>63713928
Roll
>>63713540
*10 trillion
How about you just make college a little cheaper and lower student loan interest rates you senile old man? Then you don't need to spend as much money giving out government aid to colleges so poorfags can attend without putting the value of a college education in the toilet. We could build 30 walls or give retards another 4 years of high school tier education because universities will have to make their classes passable enough to avoid a 7% graduation rate.
>>63713977
>the problem with the public education system is funding
While you are right about the outcome, the reason why colleges will go to shit is because when something becomes a gibsmedats, people expect to get it whether or not they have the qualifications.
>give niggers free high school
>they can't pass
>GIBSMEDATS
>standards are lowered so that high school becomes a glorified daycare
>give niggers free college
>they can't pass
>GIBSMEDATS
>standards are lowered and a college degree becomes as meaningless as a high school degree
10 years later, and you see no real ROI from the $10t in tax dollars used to fund the program.
>>63714227
Im not taking sides, but how the fuck do you guys expect for a foreign power to pay for someone else's wall? I still don't get it. Like Mexico could actually have the money for it.
>>63714302
like a moth
>>63713928
23 get
>10 billion
Not even enough welfare for the United Kekdom
>>63713371
Sadly this
>>63713143
The 30 billion will create jobs.
The 10 billion would only line the pockets of leftists who are in the leftist academia industrial complex, and support their efforts to brainwash more children to become leftist degenerates.
>10 billion is enough to pay for this shit
>investing in Stacy's women's studies degree and Chad's communications degree is better than investing in border security
>free
>>63714527
Trump's supporters think we can just lay tariffs on Mexico until they pay up and suffer absolutely no consequence for doing so.
Is the wall really that expensive? That seems a bit high
>>63713143
Most illegal immigrants enter legally and overstay visas, a wall won't stop them. If you want to stop illegal immigration you need to:
>make mexico less shitty so the mexicans stay there
End the war on drugs, narco violence is tearing mexico apart. Without a multi billion dollar black market, there is nothing for them to fight over and no money for them to buy weapons, hire hitmen, and bribe government officials with. This would also save us billions on drug enforcement and incarceration, and also create jobs and generate taxable revenue in the US.
>make it impossible for them to make money here so they stop coming here
Crack down on people who hire illegal workers, HARD. Make it a risk nobody wants to take. If nobody will hire them, they'll go away.
>>63713143
This stupid thread
Every fucking day
Trump announced yesterday that the wall will be built for $8 billion
http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/09/politics/donald-trump-border-wall-cost-8-billion/
>>63714726
Bernie supporters think we can massively raise taxes with no consequences whatsoever
Pretty sure Trump said 8 billion. Good job on your fact checking OP.
>>63714796
>Trump said he came up with the figure by "multiplying the number of miles by a certain number."
Clearly a world class estimate for construction costs. I see why so many of his companies went bankrupt now.
>>63714527
Any aid we send stops til the wall's built. Any goods they send to the U.S. we tax the shit out of it til the wall's built.
>>63714776
this tomcat is lazy !!
>>63713143
>spend 10 billion
>free college
>spend
>free
>>63713143
>one is being paid for by mexicans
>one is being given for free to mexicans
>>63713371
>education and healthcare are poor investments
>>63714848
>If someone else is more wrong, that makes me automatically right!
>>63714417
>he's going to make Mexico pay for the wall
How exactly do you make them pay for a wall they don't want and can't afford?
Why do you guys demand details of Sanders' plans, but this idiotic non-plan gets a pass?
>>63714848
Well, that statement might make sense, because Trump is actually an ultra liberal in disguise, and honestly Im not seeing him doing any wall or deporting millions of people in a short ammount of time (maybe never).
>>63713143
It's like 8 billion to do the wall, and that's peanuts compared to how much illegals from all of South America and Central America and visa overstays from elsewhere cost America.
Teenage beta fedora fags can't even into math.
>>63713143
Yes, lets have the U.S. government shill out $10B for college funding so everyone can get a college degree, thereby saturating the workforce with so many college graduates that it all but makes a BA useless, but lambast a government works program that though may cost $20B more, could provide the U.S. workforce with thousands of job openings, and allow for trade workers out of work to get back to working and maybe even allow people who have no trade skills to pick up a job and learn a valuable trade which they can use in the future as they work. That's even if Trump wants the U.S. to pay out of pocket for the wall, which I'm hearing from multiple sources that he doesn't; He wants Mexico to pay. Only fair seeing as how, oh, the leak's coming from the Mexican side of the border.
>>63715283
>>63714971
Wiki says its around 400 million.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_foreign_aid
I know you guys have fences with border patrol, cameras and whatnot. You can reinforce, but a fucking wall? Seems over the top.
>>63713928
Going for that fatty on the right.
>>63713928
he got taken down without collateral. Good job.
>>63715144
It certainly makes for a saner course of action, with mexico we dont have to make them pay for it all at once.
It also will be very cheap to maintain once built. Much cheaper than free college forever.
Free college will be an ongoing expense that will cost us huge amounts over time. Way more than 10 billion
>>63714063
>>63714123
>>63714133
These three are possible kills, nice job guys.
>>63713238
actually he wants mexico to build the wall or else they'll lose financial aid.
>>63715589
Bernie's vision is to devalue education with oversaturation so youths are forced to work for one of his youth programs. He'll turn a generation into government drones from cradle to grave.
>>63716042
.....all the more reason why not to vote for Bernie. >>63716019
They get financial aid from us?
>>63713143
One thing provides security for the nation, the other wastes money to send a bunch of entitled brats who should never even be in college to begin with to school.
>>63713143
So tuition in the US costs $31? I don't know what these berniefags are complaining about.
>>63713143
>10billion
>8 years
literally nothing, what the fuck
>>63715677
...you bastard. he was so young.
Yes im here for the free stuff
>>63713928
Top right corner of 73 pls
>>63713928
Well don't mind if I do
>>63713928
67 GET
I thought Trump said 3 billion. How much could a wall possibly cost?
>>63716675
fuck those glasses, that'll teach the commie
>>63714946
Better than doing no math like the kid in OP clearly did.
Face it, kid in OP has no idea either how much it costs per year to send a kid to college, nor how many students attend college per year in the US
>>63713928
I have to try.
>>63714728
Not too expensive really, if everyone in the US chips in $93 then the wall would be funded in no-time.
>>63713928
cvck
>>63713305
How would a wall reduce the current illegal costs? It's not like a wall is stopping the current ones from costing the system.
>>63713928
rolling for right between the eyes
10 billion over the course of eight years? Isn't that about the budget on shoes for your soldiers?
FFS.
>>63713143
>10 billion will cover 8 years of education and healthcare
Yeah fucking right. If it was that cheap we wouldn't even be having this discussion as everyone would be healthy and educated.
>>63716950
There isn't a wall now
So we deport them and they just come back
We build a wall
THEN we deport them
No more coming back
You dig?
>>63713928
FEEL TEH BERN
>>63714197
nice selfie retard
>spend on free hurr durr
yes, the government spends money that would go elsewhere (military, company tax breaks) so that the people have a free education.
How hard is that for you to comprehend.
>>63714369
Jesus literally feeds the same people who kill him in the Gospel of John, though.
>>63713143
Actually, Bernie wants to spend 13 trillion on his policies, Trump will make Mexico pay 8 bil on the Wall.
>>63717156
>nice selfie retard
So this is the Slovenian bants I've been hearing about
>>63714510
Could you give some peer-reviewed social policy/pedagogic journal articles that prove your frivolous statements?
>10 billions for free college and healthcare
>Sanders healthcare program is 15 trillion alone
>His college program is in the hundred's of billions and he plans on using a stock transaction tax to fund it. Actually being stupid enough to think such a tax would be successful.
>>63713928
Bang
>>63714694
10 billion would create jobs though with recent graduates having relatively much less debt, leading to surge in their spending.
>>63713143
10 billion? You mean trillion...idiot.,
I don't see how building a wall could be a bad thing. Having your borders defined is always a good thing and it will make for huge work oppertunities. Install a shit load of cameras and watchtowers and it would be 100% secure.
Just 8 billion, that really isn't that much for the US.
>>63716418
Jesus christ could you project even harder lol
You sound the most bitter person on the planet.
>>63717368
No lol.
Their "spending" would be the same due to increased taxation, their degrees would become even more useless, our debt would increase (10 trillion is not 10 billion, idiot).
Supply and demand
>>63713143
>those retweets and likes
Is there any hope whatsoever for this generation of kids?
>>63714510
Well and when you go full gibs it opens it up to more people. Including the children of those who don't pay taxes so they lose more than they take in.
Honestly I am expecting a USSR style collapse to end the government. My generation wants to be Sweden but without a larger economy to service as small economies can do for larger ones.
>>63717241
Nice job sidestepping like the queen bitch of ballerinas herself :^)
I don't want everyone to go to college. I don't care if it's not "fair" or it hurts liberals feefees, but I don't want my degree to turn to toilet paper. There will always need to be a lower class. If you're poor S2BU desu
>>63716950
Mexico's wall with Venezuela works wonders.
>>63714848
Bernie supporters know that there will be repercussions, its just that they accept them and are willing to trade job and GDP growth for other positive aspects of growth, because the former two mainly benefit a very small part of populace.
Republicans meanwhile are still more or less inside the narrative that one doesn't have to lose anything in order to gain something with beliefs of tax reduction increasing tax revenue or lack of minimum wage increasing wage levels.
>>63717368
>Having less debt in a shit degree creates jobs
What kind of autistic thinking is this? A shit degree is still a shit degree at the end of the day.
>>63717265
how about you look at common core and testing in the usa before you spout your ideological drivel, you mongoloid
educate yourself
>>63713143
The wall prevents this from happening to every single state in America:
http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-census-latinos-20150708-story.html
>It's official: Latinos now outnumber whites in California
>>63717616
I'm not even him I don't give a fuck about his argument but that insult was weak and you know it khan
>>63717460
It's true. College is joke. Millenials are a mess.
http://www.ets.org/s/research/30079/overview.html
We need to start scaling back on this idea that everyone needs to go to college, and start encouraging different paths to a career after high school.
>>63714510
This
we have similar in Australia were a lot of universities hand our 'bonus points' for basically anything
>>63713928
Gimme a quick 67 roll
>>63715580
> WASP complaining about Jews being overrepresented
lol classic
>>63713928
just like jfk
>>63717749
Any degree gives you more opportunities in life, that's a fact. Hence why we either need A) everyone to go to college, or B) reduce the effectiveness of a college degree in general.
>>63713143
>bernie wants to waste your tax dollars on making sure every low IQ retard gets into college and gets hammered up the ass with student debt and a wasted arts degree so that the frakfurt school decedents and jewish elites stay on top getting easy money from braindead progressives.
>Trump wants to spend a large amount of money building a massive wall and putting protocols in place that will make it hard for illegal immigrants to come into our country and suck up all the resources with their growing numbers. Trump is preventing the USA from turning into Mexico by 2050.
>>63717766
>tfw
I don't know if I should move after I get my degree or just find a qt spic to marry. Latinos do not give a damn about the bill of rights and I hope they don't ruin the country.
>>63717745
Tax reductions do increase growth because that's more money reinvested into the business. It's not the private sector's fault that the government is too fucking stupid to cut spending
And minimum wage has improved nothing, especially since most minimum wage workers will take less hours to continue to receive government benefits
>>63713143
so what happens after the 8 years? will people stop going to college when bernie's term is up?
why do they think bernie's plan wouldn't continue to cost money after the 8 years?
>>63717949
>>Trump wants to spend a large amount of money building a massive wall and putting protocols in place that will make it hard for illegal immigrants to come into our country and suck up all the resources with their growing numbers. Trump is preventing the USA from turning into Mexico by 2050.
You mean turning every other state into Mexifornia:
http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-census-latinos-20150708-story.html
>It's official: Latinos now outnumber whites in California
>>63715589
> saturating the workforce
which has the effect of reducing educated labour cost, which reduces price of goods and services produced, which is good for the consumers
> but lambast a government works program that though may cost $20B more, could provide the U.S. workforce with thousands of job openings
reducing the supply of low education labour, thus increasing the prices for goods and services, which is bad for the customers
fucking marxists man
10billion over 8 years is NOTHING.
Just the ontario government spends close to that subsidizing education in ontario alone pretty much every year.
This is so fucking affordable to the richest country on earth, by far, the usa.
Why is america not spending this money?
>>63713143
SAGE ALL FALSE CULTURAL MARXIST JEW POSTS
>>63717989
>I don't know if I should move after I get my degree or just find a qt spic to marry.
You do realize your children won't be white if you marry a spic.
They will come out looking like the males in pic related.
>>63717907
>Any degree gives you opportunities in life
Tell that to the liberal arts majors working at McDonalds. If you aren't studying for a STEM degree, or a degree in business, you're wasting your fucking time and money. Especially if you've taken out a loan.
This irrational train of thought that you NEED a college degree needs to die
>>63713143
>bernie want to pander children
>trump want to make america great again
so we go trump, right?
>>63713928
Let's roll.
>>63713928
>>63718336
Aw, man, I got green tie guy in the back.
He probably didn't deserve that.
>>63718260
this is kind of pleb logic, altho I don't want to be rude.
learning the liberal arts is actually more important than just becoming another middlemanager or technician from studying stem or business. There is a reason the rich study liberal arts
>>63715600
>Chilean memes
$10 billion is 1/300th of the US health care spend. So I'd love to know how he's going to fix the healthcare system for less than some individual healthcare companies make in a year
>>63717072
I mean the whole deport 10-20 million people plan seems kinda far fetched unless we are talking about a very long program, like 10 years or so.
>>63714946
He's not a construction worker, and he's not even president yet. His method works perfectly well for a good ballpark figure.
>>63713238
Kek. Mexico won't build a wall.
> why not?
Well for starters, Mexico doesn't have 30 billion dollars. DOLLARS.
>>63714369
If you were a real Christian, you would follow Jesus's lessons and give every thing to the poors and to your ennemies
>>63717551
> their degrees would become even more useless
how is this some sort of a macroeconomic principle? What are you implying that this means?
>>63717749
you too
I'd be willing to see a trillion spent on the best wall ever built, 30 billion is nothing. don't want niggers going to college tho
>>63713305
Anon it's been proven a fucking wall won't stop illegals. They don't come here that way. Please understand before you spend our 30 billion.
>>63713143
it costs 22 billion to pay the 3,500 dollar tuition cost for every miami-dade student
for one year
>>63717156
So don't call it free. It's state funded education.
>>63718260
Even stem fields are getting saturated.
Want to make money, have security for the foreseeable future and learn a valuable real world skill? Get involved as a tradesman.
>>63713143
Implying the wall won't save 10 billion in violent crime/drug addiction reduction over 10 years.
Also, Mexico is paying for the wall so it's win-win.
>>63717761
Testing in U.S shows that high school education has been improving for the whole of last centure, yet, there is a diminishing return between investment per student and results.
>>63718581
We will take their women and children then.
>>63718712
well at least you will have a nice wall
with bernie you will have debt and dropouts
>>63718047
> Tax reductions do increase growth because that's more money reinvested into the business.
Yes, but empirical data shows something like 10-20% of cut taxes going back into economy through investment, not 100%.
>>63714209
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>>63713928
GET HIM OUTTA HERE
>>63713214
This. Without the wall we'll have to educate all of Mexico, who will of course get preferences for being "minorities".
Also, you are asking me to believe this Jew snake has my best interests at heart. It's not going to happen.
Question: What is Trump using against Mexico to get them to build the wall? I read something about financial aid but is it something as realistic as to get them to actually pay for it?
>>63718504
Eisenhower did it, why couldn't Trump?
>>63719421
Cut all financial aid and place super high tariffs on them until they submit
>>63719576
Carter did too and he was a Democrat
>>63719166
>Implying people would put 100% of the money the government took from them back into their business.
>>63718260
But even the STEM degree meme is fucking shit when 80% of new STEM jobs come from High Tech industry/engineering and biotech.
> Business degree
Lol nigga undergraduate level business degrees are the biggest scam there is. The people who go to them tend to be uncreative drones who think that without any special skills they can get a cushy job working "for a company". Now, MBA and all that is different, but undergrad business is not worth more than communications or fashion design for proper business.
If you want to work in private sector good position, you study either Math or Econ in a good school, go to a prestigeous school in U.S or U.K targetting a specific field (e.g. Management or Finance, not "Business") or get a job through networking and other non-education related stuff.
How are you going to go to college if you are constantly getting beheaded by Mexicans??? Priorities. Wall first. Anything else, second.
>>63715241
>How exactly do you make them pay for a wall they don't want and can't afford?
By taking it out of their foreign aid we give them.
>>63713928
uggo wife is kill now
>>63713143
>10 billion dollars to 10 million people
>1000$ each
>DUDE FREE COLLEGE LMAO
>>63719714
I said that they don't. Reducing taxes leads to reduced revenue, albeit reducing taxes by 10% reduces revenue by maybe 7-8%.
But the republican budgets? Tex Cruz think's by reducing the revenue from 1.5 to 15 trillion (depends on who does the math) will pay for itself in ten years. Everyone else too believes in Windfall, despite most academic literature suggesting that current tax levels are already too low to provide one.
>>63713143
Student loan debt is over a trillion. 10 billion for 8 years wouldn't even help the people in college now.
>>63713340
Have you been to a church before?
>>63713928
Rollerino
>>63713143
If Israel can have a massive wall, why can't we?
>>63720412
SO CLOSE. WHY DID YOU MAKE 00 AFTER 99?
>>63713928
killin that fat chick
fat chicks should not exist
>>63713317
Yeah there's no God damn way that's accurate.
>>63713143
The wall will pay for itself in 15 years and continue to save 2billion plus each year after that. Federally controlled college isn't progress
>>63713977
>>63714510
That's right. Majority of inner city urban families had two parents before welfare. And they were moving up the economic ladder. Introduce welfare (thanks LBJ) and suddenly most of them have single parent families.
$30 billion.....lol
look how much we'll save
>>63714227
>>63714527
It's not like he's going to make Mexico hand over a check. It's going to be through tariffs and import quotas. The damage to the Mexican economy (and boost to American domestic companies) will be enough to offset the costs.
>>63713928
Rolling for 23 pls
>>63713143
Even if only 10 mil Amer wanted college thats like 100$ yearly per person lol enjoy shit degree
>>63713143
Technically trump wants Mexico to spend 30 million on a wall
>>63713928
rolling
>>63714527
Mexico has a GDP of $1.26 trillion. For comparison, Canada has a GDP of $1.82 trillion.
Mexico isn't crushingly poor by any means. Especially if you include the vast sums of drug money.
>>63714736
Are you one of those retards who thinks that Trump is only going to build a wall and nothing else?
Read it faggot: https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform
>>63713928
GOT EMMMMMMM
>>63713928
better dead than red
>>63718504
1 million "Syrians" somehow crossed hundreds of miles of national borders and bodies of water from the Middle East into Europe in 6 months without any open help.
I'm sure that Trump can get a healthy number of deportations going per year, especially since most of them will self-expatriate once he's elected. I don't think that 5 million a year is an unrealistic target - hell, I think 8 million a year is well within reach if he really puts his back into it.
>>63713143
jesus fucking christ how many times do we have to refute this shit and show berniefags they cant math for shit
>>63713928
fuck your women and gender studies major
>wall costs 30 bill
bullshit
>free college
why the fuck they think this is a good idea?
isn't college supposed to have only the best people?
>>63718504
>Nazis in 1940s somehow able to round up millions and not even deport but systematically murder them IN TOTAL SECRECY WITH ZERO EVIDENCE
>USA in 2016 unable to drive some beaners back over the border
libruls pls
>>63713143
>28.5714285714 cents each for free college and healthcare
>this is what liberals actually believe
>>63714369
"Who does not want to work, neither let him eat" that's what the Bible says
>>63713143
>implying it will be 30 billion
>implying if you pay for something that it will be "free"
>implying that taxes will come "free" of charge
>implying this dumbass isn't just making shit up
>>63726033
It was directed to >>63718582 of course
>>63715604
for 2014 it was nearly 950 million
if we spend 8 years with that money we could build the wall
>>63713143
The average cost of in-state tuition to a public school is 10k per year, per the college board.
During the 2015-2016 school year, an estimated 33 million people will graduate from high school.
That's 33 billion dollars, per year, for a single class.
>10 billion over 8 years for free college/healthcare/etc
Liberals don't understand basic things like mathematics and logic. If they did, they would be conservatives.
>>63726443
*3.3 million people will graduate from high school
>mexico will build the wall
psssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhahahahahahaha
thats how wars start
it's funny how in the minds of liberals the price of the wall keeps going up. When trumps wall is in reality not costing america anything.
>>63714369
its the mentality like this that makes the muslims of today the real christians. they actually believe in piety and sacrafice to the point where they die for it. what the fuck do you think jizzya is.
everythings all fucked up in the world
>>63713768
>shitting on bernie when your country uses his health care system
you don't have to pay 100 billion dollars when you break your leg, be thankful
>>63726033
the bible like all religious books have tons of contradictions. why do you think so many muslims say killing is wrong while others say it isnt
>>63713928
Die commie
>>63713928
JORDAN!
>>63716019
Every retard trump supporter thinks that aid is a charity. It's not. It's the way countries bribe each other into not fucking each other over.
>>63713143
Sometimes I wonder if these "Bernie supporters" are plants or if they're really this stupid.
>>63727052
Only the prime of cherries for you.
>implying slavery was bad
>implying not letting woman (hyper emotional humans) vote was bad
>>63727753
Well they are clearly still fucking us over in spite of our "bribes" so why should we keep on bribing them? Some may say they are breaking the agreement so that we lose. Who wants to be the loser?
10 billion over 8 years for how many students? Say 10 million students per year, that gives you $125 to educate a person for a year.
Sounds good!
>>63726606
The entirety of Latin America could not damage our border. If it comes to war, we will crush Mexico. Obviously only retards would declare war on us. ISIS and other militant groups do not belong to a country and are protected by an ocean. Mexico is right next to us.
>>63727878
You think it's bad now? See what happens when we stop with the aid.
Do you really think that US gives tons of aid to Israel because of love for the Jews? No. It's to have a strategic foothold in the middle east, which happens to be full of countries that hate our fucking guts.
>>63713928
FUCK YES
>>63716470
A normal in-state tuition will be like $8k per year. It's actually really easy to get scholarships, even if you come from a rich family, but retards either a) insist on going out of state or b) they're dumb as a brick and don't put any effort into attaining scholarships.
>>63727052
>allowing blacks and women to vote
>a good idea
>>63728034
Well if that's the case then we'll make it worse than them. I don't think we should back down because of their threats of "making it so much worse" for us. If they want to, fine, but I think they need us more than we need them. I won't let some 3rd world shit hole cow us into not getting a fair deal.
>>63727968
There will be a lot more students going to college if it becomes free as well. College degrees have already become about as useless as a high school diploma, so pretty soon, a Ph.D. will become toilet paper.
>>63728317
And you think this is good diplomacy? This is how you want Trump to lead?
>>63713143
If he builds the same wall the jews built along the Jordanian border, using the militairy, it'll only cost ~6b. Also it'll remove the $29b costs at federal level and $84b at state and local level of keeping those filthy illegals in.
Where's the fucking source for Bernie's 10b cost for free college?
>>63713928
PRaying for 73
>>63728573
Oh fuck
People who make $200000 and less won't even be affected by the tax raise.
>>63713977
just imagine how chaotic it would be
>need a specific class to graduate or a prereq to move on to more advanced classes in your major
>before you can enroll in the class its been filled up
>half the class ends up dropping it bc its hard and/or lol who cares I'll take a W and not the financial hit of a dropped class
>takes you an extra year to graduate as this happens at least once a semester
>>63728459
If we aren't getting a good deal then we tough it out until we can get a better deal. Is it good diplomacy to stick with a bad deal just because "it could be worse" without it?
>>63718581
they don't need 30 billion dollars, retard. they need to offset the cost of financing the labor at whatever price point it hits. this is done by artificially creating a trade surplus using tariffs. this is not difficult to understand nor is it new.
>>63713928
nigger, i see one great target and one ok target
>>63728483
Anon.
The projected size of the west bank wall is 698 KM. The size of the borer between the united states and Mexico is ~3111 KM.
Do math.
>>63728573
Way to call your shot. Lord kek answered.
>>63716950
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvWJpEq5y-Q
>>63714123
You didn't waste any time with that headshot. Are you the guy who killed Bin Laden?
>>63728777
>If we aren't getting a good deal then we tough it out until we can get a better deal.
This is why I don't want to vote for Trump. "Toughing it out" is not good on the world stage.
Can't wait to get my degree from University of Sanders Online
>>63728711
yeah, people with low purchasing power won't be affected by decreasing their purchasing power.
>>63728573
>>63728620
Congratulations. You shot him in the leg.
>>63727052
sometime during all that the meaning of liberal and conservative swapped, so i am not sure that is at all correct
>>63714046
>Is this nigger implying 10 billion dollar would make all education free for every american? It wouldn't even cover fucking Ohio.
this. free tuition for everyone enrolled at Ohio State any given year adds up to about 1.7 billion dollars
>>63718581
>He thinks he need 30 billion to build a wall.
How did the 30billion comes about, seems like an overestimated number.
Also who is paying for the 10billion?
>>63729091
That's not true. The meaning of democrat and republican swapped. Liberal and conservative describe viewpoints relative to society.
>>63713143
How would you get Mexico to pay for free education in the US?????
>>63728996
Aren't we toughing it out with a bad deal as well?
>>63713143
>he thinks 10 billion dollars are enough for 8 years of "free" (why did he say free when he just said it costs 10 bil) college for everyone
Leftists should just kill themselves at this point. Disgraces to civilization.
>>63713928
PREEEEESENT
>>63713928
Roll
>>63729078
shot is cock off
>>63729171
i guess my college professor was wrong
>>63729201
No.
>>63713928
23 get
>>63713143
So colleges are going to start looking like inner city schools. How can you possible pay for everyones college with 10 billion.
>>63729299
Your college professor was right, you just didn't remember what he said.
>>63729310
Well if we are sticking with a deal that is screwing us (A premise you didn't disagree with earlier, nor did you agree with it) out of fear not being able to get any deal, then aren't we toughing it out by definition?
>>63714527
mexicans in the US send 24 billion per year back to their homeland
pass a tax on wire transfers to Mexico, it can be really small so that it won't trigger mexicans to find other ways to send back the remittances, but it will add up over time. all the money collected from the tax will go to pay for the wall
>>63713143
Trump estimated 8billion for the wall...
>http://edition.cnn.com/2016/02/09/politics/donald-trump-border-wall-cost-8-billion/
He will have already contacted his construction crews and had the research done for all the estimates and costs. Hopefully he went higher than the estimate to justify any possible additional expenses.
>>63713928
EVERYBODY STAND BACK
I GOT THIS
>>63729515
Nope. It's not a bad deal.
>>63714527
SANCTIONS
YOU TAX MEXICO
>>63713143
This is b8 that has been posted and disproved several times.
Bernie's total spending for all his proposals is around 18 trillion.
Saudi Arabia is building a wall, why can't America?
>>63729668
>Bernie's total spending for all his proposals is around 18 trillion.
THIS is b8 that has been posted and disproved several times.
>Saudi Arabia is building a wall, why can't America?
A basic understanding of geography and math, really.
>>63729637
What if we were getting a bad deal then? I still think we are getting a bad deal, but I want to know what you'd do in response to a bad deal.
>>63713143
It's around $170 billion for 1 year of education.
>>63729782
>hurr we MIGHT offset X cost because X, that means we didn't spend 18 fucking trillion and it won't cause inflation at all bro
>scale, how does it work?
>>63729787
It depends.
Is the deal bad but still much, much better than what we'd be getting without aid?
If so, then it's not really a bad deal, is it?
>>63729982
Sorry, I trust an economist more than I trust you.
>>63713143
why are you posting screenshots of something some random guy said on twitter?
>>63717156
>free anything ever
>>63729668
No I heard it was 100 trillion.
>>63713928
stumped
>>63713143
>10 billion is a big number!
>>63713928
STUMPED IDIOT
>>63713928
rollign
>>63730069
I have a degree in economics
Bernie has no idea what he is doing
>>63730008
Is the deal disproportionately beneficial to one party? Then it is still a bad deal. It is a bad deal because it makes us look stupid because we are selling our nation short. It'd be stupid to sell short of what you can get and others will pick up on that.
>>63730236
A bachelor's?
>>63730268
It would be stupider to cut the deal entirely and gain the ire of the globe.
>>63713238
I thought it was 8 billion. I thought that was the number from yesterday when he announced it. Am I wrong?
>>63729782
>>63730129
Even Salon said is was at least 2 trillion per year, that's a lot more than 30 billion, you candy-asses.
>>63713660
Not shown: the cost of private insurance over that same time period being more.
>>63730358
Now we are getting way too specific to make an argument without a specific premise. Would the globe really have ire for a country that refuses to get less than it deserves? I think the argument basically breaks down to me not thinking you are ambitious enough and you thinking I'm too risky.
>>63713143
Bernie's FREE college and healthcare is expected to cost 10 Trillion, not 10 billion.
>>63713928
donthitthekids
>>63718808
Ok, I'm with ya. So, can you then tell me who funds the state? Oh, that's right, the taxpayer, you and me. "Free" college just means that everyone gets to pay tuition, whether they are enrolled or not. How does anyone not get this?
>>63730358
>gain the ire of the globe
Gain the ire of 3rd-world shitholes mostly. I doubt Europe will care enough that we rused China, Mexico, or India on some trade deal to levy any serious sanctions on us. Europe is also swiftly electing right-leaning nationalists, so they might even root for us.
>>63730580
>Would the globe really have ire for a country that refuses to get less than it deserves?
If it means cutting off aid to another country? Yep. That's diplomacy.
>I think the argument basically breaks down to me not thinking you are ambitious enough and you thinking I'm too risky.
The goal of diplomacy is not to bully all the other participants into listening to you, you know.
>>63730625
10 billion is like each person in the country paying 30 cents per month for all of this over 8 years. Not possible
10 trillion dollars worth of women's studies and lib arts diplomas. That will help.
>>63713143
>BERNIE SEZ DURR EVERYTHING IS FREE DUHRR
It's called "lying" ladies and gentlemen.
>>63718859
>Want to make money, have security for the foreseeable future and learn a valuable real world skill? Get involved as a tradesman.
Pretty much this. I've found if some kind of education is being largely advertised, forget about it. You're going to have droves of people signing up for those.
Some of the most financially stable people I know work in trades.
Hell, I deliver pizza and do some part-time trading in the wee hours of the morning, and still make more money than some people I know that went to college/uni.
>>63730726
>Yep. That's diplomacy
Unless they are unaware that aid=bribes then why would they be upset at us for not taking a deal that benefits another party more than us?
>The goal of diplomacy is not to bully all the other participants into listening to you, you know.
The goal isn't to be charitable to other nations with deals that benefit them more than us either. The goal is to benefit your country the best one is able to.
>>63730679
>Gain the ire of 3rd-world shitholes mostly.
You want the janitors to come in and do extra work on the weekends for no money. They say no, so you cut their salaries until they do it. They refuse to clean outright. Now the entire building is covered in gross shit because you didn't pay your cleaning staff.
>>63715589
A bachelor's degree *should* be the new high school diploma. A high school diploma doesn't give you the skills for the real world anymore. When it's free, you won't be special for having one, and therefore won't be able to demand more money for having one, as it should be. An American knowing basic calculus and physics should be the new default, the new intelligence floor.
In the year 3000 an engineer could be the equivalent of a burger flipper and work for minimum wage because that's the lowest job that still exists, and even the dumbest retards that society shits out in the year 3000 know tensor calculus and spacetime manifolds, as it should be. The standard for what's normal should always be increasing.
>>63713317
Top laughing out loud, only shows how far /pol/ has fallen that this isn't the first response. Years ago no one would've believed this for a second.
>>63731117
Now you are creating a hypothetical to fit your view of our argument as unreasonable.
>You want your employer to give you a $5 an hour raise for no additional cost at the threat of leaving the place covered in shit. He finds other people to do it for the same price and now you are out of food and dying on the streets.
We can go all day with hypothetical scenarios.
>>63731040
>Unless they are unaware that aid=bribes
There is no country that thinks this. Aid to all countries is a bribe. You think any country is just a bunch of swell folks who just wanna help out? Quid quo pro is the name of the game.
>The goal isn't to be charitable to other nations with deals that benefit them more than us either.
It's not charity. It's a bribe. See >>63731117
>The goal is to benefit your country the best one is able to.
And how will you benefit your country by making all the others pissed at it?
>>63731117
>le we need foreigners for menial jobs meme
You're no better than the crony capitalists who hire them.
>>63731263
Good goy. The ruling class that brings in H1B monkeys to depress wages loves it! Work harder and longer for less pay you dumb cuck. Fucking useful idiot.
>>63731413
The difference is that Mexico, as a country, can't be replaced, unless you want to suggest cutting it out and pushing it across an ocean.
>>63731466
Congrats, you didn't get the analogy.
>>63713143
>free college
>free healthcare
>only $10 billion
People who believe this should be barred from ever voting in any election again. Ever.
Even American fucking Idol.
>>63728034
>Do you really think that US gives tons of aid to Israel because of love for the Jews?
Because the Israel lobby is influential. Strategic foothold my ass.
>>63730559
>implying
>>63731431
Where did I say that I thought aid was charity. I was adding a caveat to avoid unreasonable scenarios from being brought up.
You also didn't respond as to WHY they'd get pissed.
If we are taking unfavorable deals for the sake of the deal, aren't we selling ourselves short and basically giving stuff away? That IS charity.
>>63731634
I didn't bother to read it, knew it was an analogy half-way through after glancing over it though. I just wanted to go off on another tangent that lefties get wrong because I like reading my own posts.
>>63713143
Do these idiots think Bernie can do his socalist thing without shutting down illegals?
>>63731651
Yeah, why the fuck would we ever want a strong position there? Not like there are any countries who hate us there or anything.
>>63731634
We may not be able to replace Mexico as a country, but many of their services and goods can be replaced. We could live without what they provide until they give us a better deal too.
>>63731997
Saudi Arabia loves us, probably even more than the kikes.
They aren't taking-in any whites, or even any other Muslims refugees though, ironically. They still are one of our greatest allies. Countries like Saudi Arabia, Japan, and China will likely surpass Western cuck nations because they flat out refuse to waste any money on giving free shit to foreigners/
>>63731817
>You also didn't respond as to WHY they'd get pissed.
Because it's a boneheaded move and then Mexico gets to tell the world the US cut off aid.
>If we are taking unfavorable deals for the sake of the deal,
We're not, though, we're doing it because the alternative would be much worse.
>>63732043
>but many of their services and goods can be replaced. We could live without what they provide until they give us a better deal too.
Why do you think it's a good idea to make a country that shares a border with us hate us?
>>63731263
Seriously guys imagine a world in which everyone stayed in school until at least age 26 and everyone graduated with the equivalent of a PhD in their field, and you weren't special for having that because that was just normal and expected of you. Everyone from your burger flipper to your janitor to your secretary has a PhD. We'd be flipping burgers, cleaning floors, and answering phones with 1000x the efficiency. That's the kind of world I want to live in.
>>63732429
The dreaded political clout of Mexico in the UN? Is that what you're afraid of?
The UN has totalitarian Chinks and Saudis on their human rights committees. Why would they give a fuck about Juan Carlos not getting to buy a few extra burritos because America stopped sending him welfare?
>>63732413
>Saudi Arabia loves us, probably even more than the kikes.
No, Saudi Arabia loves our money.
Also nice job ignoring every other country on that map. I'm sure things are fine in Syria. Nothing anti-US happening over there, right?
>>63732429
>Because it's a boneheaded move and then Mexico gets to tell the world the US cut off aid.
If the world is aware that aid=bribes then it doesn't matter if we cut off bribes. Why is it a boneheaded move?
Why would they hate us for acting in our self-interest? If we are getting a deal we think is bad and cutting it off because of that it would be unreasonable for them to hate us. Who would expect a country to take a bad deal for someone else?
>We're not, though, we're doing it because the alternative would be much worse.
It is worse to take unfavorable deals that leave us to be viewed as fools who sell ourselves short.
>>63732769
Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and Lebanon all hate Syria too and are friendly to the US. The kikes aren't really that special. They also built a wall which reduced terrorist attacks by 90%.
>>63732728
Mexico talks to the UN. They also talk to Central America and the Caribbean and South America.
Not so easy to prop up puppet governments when our easiest way in there hates our fucking guts.
>>63733091
Then the issue is that we are propping up puppet governments and playing games with the world in the first place. This requires us then to take unfavorable deals. I see clearly as to why to avoid entangling alliances.
>>63732483
>sitting in a classroom for 8 extra years makes you more efficient at menial labor
If anything, you should be funneling more resources away from the tards and plebs, and to the elites; not the other way around.
The entire ideology of "the poor rising up" is flawed, due to the laws of entropy.
By supporting giving more and more resources to the poor, and letting them breed out of control, and even worse - letting them have control of the government, you are setting up the eventual doom my Malthusian resource drain.
Basically, the poor retarded plebs would consume all the resources, while the scientists and great leaders would be ignored, and their projects not funded - in favor of more bread and circuses for the mindless dirt niggers.
The best hope for humanity is to institute a right-leaning, technocratic meritocracy; where resources are funneled upwards for the elites to colonize other planets. We must also institute a population control program.
As it stands, liberal capitalism and Marxism are both flawed and will lead to destruction, but the universal egalitarianism of Marxism will ruin humanity even faster by forcing the advanced West to shoulder the burden of all the world's poor retarded masses, instead of remaining independent, and focusing those resources on technological advancement.
>>63732997
>If the world is aware that aid=bribes then it doesn't matter if we cut off bribes.
The politicians are aware, but if Mexico goes around telling others that we're cutting off aid, the populaces in each nation hear of this, get angry at their politicians for not being angry at us, then their politicians get angry at us because they don't want their constituency angry at them.
>>63733020
>Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and Lebanon all hate Syria too and are friendly to the US.
You mean they won't try shit because Israel is right fucking there and we're puppeteering them.
>>63733295
>Then the issue is that we are propping up puppet governments and playing games with the world in the first place.
Yes. The US and every other major nation does and has done so much fucked up shit that we need to bribe or threaten nations who might fuck with us into not fucking with us. Bribery is far more preferable than threats.
>>63733091
>implying all the Latin American countries like Mexico just because they're spics
Hell, some spic countries hate Mexico more than we do. Latin America isn't monolithic, either. There is far-right Peru and Chile who hate far-left Venezuela and others. Brazil speaks Portugese and tries to put itself ahead of all the others in the area.
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