Don't tell me former Paul Supporters have naively fell for the authoritian egomaniacal big government candidate trump ?
Rand would be disappointed in you
>>63707375
People who care about fiscal conservatism, government surveillance regulation/transparency, and non-interventionist foreign policy don't really have anyone to turn to senpai.
>>63707488
Bernie sanders
>>63707634
>>63707634
Same.
The only way Ran can win in 2020 is it the Democrats win and Bernie is honest so he gets my vote.
I'm still rooting for Rand.
If you enter the race again I'll buy you a pint up in Edinburgh.
>>63707634
FREE
Daily reminder reddit is shilling /pol/ to try to pressure Paul voters into voting for sanders
Daily reminder Sanders jewed the aduit the fed bill
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-8fg6kSqnk
>>63707634
Paul and Sanders are directly opposed on many things you dumb cunt.
>>63708082
Don't lie, you never supported Paul.
>>63707375
Constitutionalism/libertarianism/classical liberalism/whatever you want to call it had its moment in 2012. America said no. In 2016, the choices are to swear fealty to God Emperor Trump, savior of the white race, or Bernie Sanders, Jewish sorcerer of illusions.
I'd vote for a Paul in a heartbeat if things weren't so fucked right now, maybe after Trump has made America great again 8 years in a row the time will be right for Rand to take the reigns.
>>63707375
Rand sold out and accomplished nothing beyond his filibusters. His nonexistent stances on immigration and other very important social issues were telling, and the primary reason he had such little support.
Trump is a successful businessman, he knows the ins and outs of our economy and what can be done to improve it.
Trump also has the same beliefs on the surveillance state.
To not support Trump is to be a child stomping his feet because he didn't win a board game.
>>63707375
I'm just not gonna vote for president and vote for legal weed in my state. Learned helplessness has set in and I'm just going to focus on my state and maybe local politics from now on.
>>63708459
this
>>63708548
>had its moment
>america said no
Lol how new you have to be to post this
Paul got dicked over goy
Libertarian Ron Paul might seem like an unlikely supporter of Democratic Socialist Bernie Sanders, but in a recent FOX News interview, he described Sanders as the most “free market” candidate running, while disavowing his rival Hillary Clinton and Republican candidate Ted Cruz.
>>63709527
Sauce ?
>>63709462
Fine, I'll put it more bluntly. Ron was a fucking cuck who didn't have the cojones to stand up to fucking Mitt "the Mormon Democrat" Romney. He was a fucking frail old man who never stood a chance.
His boy is no different. Rand looked like an awkward fucking faggot every single time he tried to stump Trump.
The Pauls, Gary Johnson, and all your other Libertarian heroes could have captured America's imagination like The Donald or Bernie did, but they fucking couldn't, and didn't. They were idea guys, they are not destined to be leaders.
>>63709527
I can see that. Paul is my favorite candidate, Sanders is my second.
>>63709527
Sanders is a weasel who undermined Pauls efforts in transparent government. He will never get my vote with a history like that.
>>63707634
nigga you dumb
>>63708194
SHIT
>>63707375
Building a wall with mexico and not allowing muslims into america would allow us to make massive cuts in homeland security, NSA, and fbi. Get fucked. Libertarians had better fucking vote for trump, he's the only one willing to make tactical moves that would enable a libertarian congress to function for future elections
>>63709527
Source.
>>63709879
You just want weed legalized, they're complete opposites.
>>63710170
LMAO
>>63707375
Rand will be Trumps VP
>>63707375
Lesser of two evils boyo
We're not going to hate Trump simply out of spite because Randlet wasn't old enough to become president.
>>63707375
Big govt?
Doesn't he want education to be local, etc?
>>63709869
>ron didn't stand up to Romney
He did, he was just lampooned as a crazy old guy. He got cheated out of several primary wins among other bullshit during that primary
>paul looked awkward
Only to people who think trumps retorts held water, newfags for instance
>libertarian heroes
Great strawman cuck
>captured imagination
Oh yeah, much better than sound policy
>le critical mass argument ad populem
Stay retarded like the rest of the voter base cuck
Keep being a political retard like everyone else
>>63707634
>"MORE government will stop ALL the government!"
>>63709869
>>63710580
Divide and conquer at work here boys
>>63707634
I'm voting for Sanders in the primary. Gary Johnson in the general.
>>63709869
Obligatory must watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_WBo4sfmi4
>>63710690
If you don't do what this wise anon says then you are unamerican
>>63710682
>divide and conquer
As if rand and trump are close enough to warrant such a stupid assertion
>>63710890
>registering democrat for the primaries
>voting for a socialist
>american
pick none
>>63710972
And your implying Sanders and Paul are?
>>63710690
Gary Johnson and the rest of the libertarian party are leftists that adhere only to the economic side of libertarianism
Most of them are open borders too
>>63711046
No?
>>63708673
This.
His father was GOAT because he spoke his mind. He spoke the truth in the debate, got booed by the entire audience, slandered by his opponent, did he retreat? No he doubled down and elaborated further on his position. Rand was scared to even take a position. He said it himself he was more of a centrist than his father.
Trump might not be my perfect candidate, but he has guts. He has single handedly overturned the money changers tables. Will he be great, be able to make America great again, become a tyrant? Only time will tell but I am willing to risk it. I know what the other candidates represent and I'm not buying that shit. Trump is a wild card and I like to gamble.
>>63711046
>doesn't know that the Democratic Party is literally the oldest party in the United States
>doesn't know that socialism was very American until the Cold War
>doesn't know that for half of the 20th century America was what we would refer to today as a social democracy
Stay stupid
>>63711302
>Gary Johnson and the rest of the libertarian party are leftists that adhere only to the economic side of libertarianism
>Most of them are open borders too
>more government walls is small government conservatism
>>63711046
>doesn't realize that our Constitution refers to promoting the general welfare as a primary function of our government multiple times
>>63707634
Bernie sanders helped kill the audit the fed bill. He is a faggot commie kike.
>>63711446
>I can't keep people out of my house
Yea, a good portion, and those in power are reformed leftists who don't understand the concept of citizenry or extrapolation of their rights
>>63711432
>doesn't know that socialism was very American until the Cold War
In the 1920s maybe, but it never left large cities. It never had majority support.
>>doesn't know that for half of the 20th century America was what we would refer to today as a social democracy
It's been refereed to as a constitutional republic since it's inception actually.
>>63711526
Oh gee does it say anything about open boarders, gun control and rampant welfare? :^)
>>63711526
>implying that isn't subject to individual rights enshrined, not permitted by the constitution
Your new age cuck concept of law is cancerous
I will be voting for Bernie. His insane economic ideas will never pass, but I agree with him on foreign affairs, demilitarization of police, drug laws, not being an anti-immigrant tard, and he isn't even that bad on guns.
If he is not nominated, I will once again vote for based Gary.
>>63707375
→ http://wizchan.org/
>>63711950
>social democracy and constitutional republic are mutually exclusive concepts
>can't even spell borders
>not realizing Sanders catches heat for not being for gun control in every debate
>thinking Sanders has said anything about increasing welfare
Wow man you really proved your intellectual abilities here, I'm proud of you.
>>63712090
>my interpretation of vague concepts is definitely right but yours can't be
>>63707488
Not the same but Ted Cruz is the closest on these to Paul
>>63712093
>nor being an anti immigrant tard
You have to go back
>I agree with him on....
Stop projecting your preferences onto candidates, the way he would "fix" those problems would be fucking terrible
>based Gary
Gary is shit
>>63711432
>doesn't know that socialism was very American until the Cold War
>The influence of factious leaders may kindle a flame within their particular States, but will be unable to spread a general conflagration through the other States. A religious sect may degenerate into a political faction in a part of the Confederacy; but the variety of sects dispersed over the entire face of it must secure the national councils against any danger from that source. A rage for paper money, for an abolition of debts, for an equal division of property, or for any other improper or wicked project, will be less apt to pervade the whole body of the Union than a particular member of it; in the same proportion as such a malady is more likely to taint a particular county or district, than an entire State.
James Madison Federalist 10 discussing the reasoning for a separation of powers and States being sovereign bodies with their own separation of powers
>>63712347
>natural law and rights enshrined by the constitution are vague concepts
Oh lawdy
We don't want votes from people stupid enough to vote for Jew Paul after The Roofening™
Fuck off and vote for Yeb
>>63712467
Believe it or not, I actually agree that a state centered system is superior. Rand was my first choice I just see Sanders as the next best option.
>>63708459
I am strongly inclined to believe this
If I can't have ron, I want rand
if I can't have rand you are all getting trump
>>63712515
>it explicitly states that the government can't be a social democracy in the Constitution
>>63712377
Uhh, no thanks Pablo, I won't be voting for Mr. Cruzenstein.
>>63712377
>>63712698
Shit, I meant Muhammed, your flags are pretty similar desu.
>>63711432
>socialism was American until the cold war
Thanks to an cancer taking advantage of the depression with populist rhetoric
>democrats are the oldest
Meaningless and hilarious at the same time. >>63712206
>not mutually exclusive
Even though that statement is true, social democracy and our constitution are mutually exclusive
We have forgotten about everything else until we get nationalism back. If we have no nation nothing else matters.
>>63707375
I'm sorry anon. Unfortunately I decided that if we can't have a Paul as president than I will vote for the most anti establishment candidate which just so happens to be Trump. Fuck the establishment shills for giving Paul no media coverage.
>>63712206
>>social democracy and constitutional republic are mutually exclusive concepts
Moving goalpost. They are not exclusive concepts yet they are not one in the same either. And you did say america was referred to as a social democracy when it's not.
>can't even spell borders
Typo because phoneposting
also pic related
>>not realizing Sanders catches heat for not being for gun control in every debate
>votes for mag capacity ban
>votes for assault weapon ban
>not for gun-control
What in your mind is gun control if this isn't?
>>thinking Sanders has said anything about increasing welfare
>implying free college and healthcare do not fall under the definition of welfare
And besides he has made remarks on welfare
>>63712838
No they aren't. Show me which part of the constitution says social democracy is prohibited.
>>63712689
>what is representative government
>what is individual property rights
>what is freedom of xyz
>what is the constitution being a restrictive document not allowing the federal government the authority it has today or you think it should have
Kill yourself, honestly
>>63710890
Why is it unamerican to not waste my vote on someone no one knows about?
>>63712925
Arguing that we can't be and were never a social democracy because we're a constitutional republic shows that you don't fully understand what either of those terms mean.
Welfare is generally defined as help for the needy, not everyone. Universal healthcare and higher education are for everyone, not just the needy.
Can we as /pol/ atleast support him in his senate race? His opponent is a gay pedantic cunt. Literally just running against him because he thought Paul was "putting his career over Kentucky"
>>63713017
>being willfully retarded
Show me any part of the constitution that allows any specific provision of social democracy
>>63713066
A Constitutional Republic can take many forms including a social democracy, please make sure you understand concepts before posting.
>>63713388
It can, but ours doesn't you fuckwit
Learn to read before posting, I literally acknowledged that
>>63713375
>promoting the general welfare
If the Constitution doesn't restrict it, it is allowed if the people decide it democratically.
>>63712870
>muh American pride
>take our country back hurr
This is literally a mainstream Republishit board now.
>>63713469
What are you referring to the 10th which no one has followed for 100 years? Not a single candidate running cares about the 10th including daddy Donnie
>>63712613
>>63712613
>Rand was my first choice I just see Sanders as the next best option.
On what?
Anti war?
Even Trump is more antiwar than Sanders who has voted for every single war and intervention since he has been in office except the Iraq war of which his votes to fund it consistently just show that vote as an anti bush vote. Sanders supports funding "moderate rebels" aka Isis and Al queada alongside every other candidate with Trump now being the sole exception. He has also been a staunch supporter of the F35 program which is another military Keynesianist program funnelling tax dollars into the MIC.
>economic stances/anti Establishment
He isn't only an absolute fool that openly wants to mimic a collapsing system he has also voted for various special interest groups favor despite his rhetoric.
He sabatoged Ron Paul's Federal reserve audit bill and supports its existence. The part of Ron's bill he removed was designed to stop the secret loaning that they did(17 trillion dollars) which he voted for them to be able to do with his yea vote for the stimuli.
The only way you could consider him the "next best pick" is if you think crashing this nation with no survivors is the best way to reset it.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/item/21463-debunking-the-myth-of-socialist-success-in-scandinavia
>>63713491
I said specific provision of social democracy you daft cunt. Learn to read
General welfare is subject to natural rights and is itself contained within prescribed permissions to the federal government
The reason I ask for specifics is because each thing your shitty ideology promotes is individually barred
>>63713654
>people are violating the Constitution so that means it is OK to continue this trend
>>63713654
>daddy Donnie
>implying
I'm referring to our constitution as opposed to constitutions in general
If you can't follow the conversation just fuck off
>>63713799
It doesn't have to be explicitly allowed, just not explicitly banned. Do you even know how a Constitutional Republic works? Our Representative Democracy functions as long as it doesn't violate what our Constitution prohibits.
>>63713580
Would agree if we weren't facing a big move by globalists.
>>63707634
Why?
>Nazis backed Ron Paul when he had his chance
>Libertarians refuse to have Trump now that he has a chance
Libertarians are autistic traitors
>>63713850
I never agree with this sentiment but with the 10th, absolutely no one follows it anymore. Not a single candidate is operating within the confines of that amendment and no president has for literally a hundred years.
>>63713996
>It doesn't have to be explicitly allowed
It does for the Federal government you daft cunt
>>63713996
>literally and completely doesn't understand the purpose of the constitution on the most fundamental level
I'm not even going to address the merits, you're too fucking stupid to even hold an intelligent conversation with
Goodbye
>>63713259
>Arguing that we can't be and were never a social democracy bec...
Strawmanning.
>it's not welfare if EVERYONE uses it
>muh arbitrary definitions
Okay new approach, how about lets just say it's a stupid idea. Cost far too much and were already 19 trillion in the hole already. A highly educated workforce is not the means to escape poverty, if it were Argentina would be a shining example of perfect employment.
Why do you sanders supporters seem so intent on having our country owned by international banks?
>>63714325
>I'm wrong and I can't argue but I swear you're the stupid one!
>Trump wants big govenmunt
He's going to reduce taxes so much he will need to reduce govt spending 1 trillion at least
>>63707375
Trump is as bad as sanders. Cruz is the best choice now when it comes to the economy and defending individual liberty.
>>63707634
You're a literal retard
>>63714147
>I'll just repeat myself that will change the facts of the matter
Gary Johnson is running and he fits the criteria of being a 10th amendment supporter
>>63714146
Why would libertarians support a fascist like trump?
>>63714599
Eminent domain is on the constitution
Border control is on the constitution
He wants to reduce taxes so much it would imply reducing federal government size by 1 trillion
>hurr fascist because liberals said so
>>63714343
>everyone breaking the law somehow makes the law not exist
>this is a point
>>63713259
if you only had a brain, strawman.
What you Paultards need to understand is that the normie half of Paul voters are only voting for him because he's anti-establishment. It's always been the case whenever a Paul seems to be creating a "revolution." It's never because the majority of Paul voters are philosophically libertarian.
>>63714432
saved
>>63714715
Trump is a big government tax and spend liberal. He wants to nationalise industry and supports socialised medicine.
He would also discriminate on the basis of religion and race.
>>63709527
>[Paul] described Sanders as the most “free market” candidate running
SOURCE
Everyone realized purest libertarian have the mentality of a spoiled eight year old.
>>63714970
Ok.
Guess I just vote Trump here in the meantime friend-o.
cuckbertarians had their moment and blew it. the movement was filled with fedora manchildren with just as delusional grasp on reality as socialists.
True libertarianism falls into the same pitfalls as socialism and anarchy, it ignores human nature and corruptibility.
If you leave everyone alone in a society that has immense power, influence and/or wealth that is able to be wielded SOME people will inevitably be drawn to it and break the system and ruin life for everyone. IT ALWAYS HAPPENS.
As shitty as it may be you have less freedom and liberty without authority than with it. Libertarianism can only work if it, ironically, is self-enforcing and authoritarian in order to redistribute power before a singular force grows strong enough to circumvent its principles. (e.g. "freedom of movement" and "borderless societies" being cucked by mudslimes who install a theocracy before anyone can stop it)
Only autistic spergbots truly think its a viable system in the real world. Not everyone is a rational actor, and not everyone shares your core values and priorities.
>>63712377
>Ted Cruz
>non interventionist
>>63713690
There are two kinds of people:
People that get their information about warplanes from aeronautical engineers
And people that get their information about warplanes from the guys whose arguments are exposed as transparent lies by aeronautical engineers
voting for Rand since his name is still going to be on the ballot, then LP party.
>>63715642
> it ignores human nature and corruptibility.
Not really. People who think that a state solves human nature and corruptibility are probably ignoring human nature and corruptibility.
Any actual Rand supporter will abstain from voting for president this election. Any Rand supporter who does not abstain was a bandwagon c.uck.
>I used to support Rand but now I support
>Sanders
You heard dude weed lmao and went with whatever candidate you heard say it first. After Rand dropped out, you moved to the other guy saying weed. You dont care about weed policy, just weed. weed weed weed. Also, weed.
>Trump
So, you supported a candidate who was against foreign intervention, and now support a candidate who wants to "waterboard and worse" foreign combatants? Also, fucking tarrifs? Are you retarded? You didn't give a shit. Now you just don't want to be alone.
>Cruz
You went with the guy who just parrots rand's popular liberty ideas, but when it comes to being anti war wants to make the sand glow in the middle east? Also, he wants to audit the fed but couldnt be bothered to show up for the vote? Fuck off.
>Gary Johnson
You don't give a shit about the constitution, you just wanted to back someone you thought was libertarian enough and are now back to throwing your vote away on a guy who has no idea what he's doing.
>Anyone else
You have no integrity. Literally, none.
Stand with Rand. Then. Now. Forever.
is there a way to vote libertarian in the general election without voting for gary?
>>63707634
this is your average Paul supporter
dumber than a brick
>>63717659
>Stand with Rand
Lel, Lolbertcuck get the fuck out. It's Trump or die.
>>63707375
Johnson/Paul 2016 when?
