What's your excuse for not being a vegan?
>>63698989
Im heterosexual
>>63698989
I am not a faggot
>>63698989
That comic is terrible.
>Lol I am saying what you said while I eat your property
I say it every time, moose is far too good to ever give up. Looking forward to next season.
>>63698989
I don't suck dicks
>>63698989
I like having sex with women.
>>63698989
I fuck women
>>63698989
Tried it. Felt good. Tasted terrible. Cost a lot.
>>63698989
I stand up while I pee
>>63698989
What's your excuse for spending $200 on a ripped up Yeezus T-Shirt that was made in a sweat shop hipster?
1) meat is delicious
2) animals are less important than my satisfaction
Vagina is more attractive than a penis.
I do not enjoy the romantic company of other men, but instead have a preference for females.
>>63698989
I'm ok with PPL eating cats. Also fuck vegans are retarded
>>63698989
I lift weights and i am on a bulk diet
And id rather not turn green
>>63698989
to make vegans angry
>>63699466
>edgy comic trying to push an agenda but instead makes the author look like an ass because he ignores concepts a 5th grader is familiar with
post em
>>63698989
Indifference.
>>63698989
Being on top of the food chain.
Vegans being below wouldn't bother me and maybe it couldn't be cannibalism
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>>63699329
>>63699378
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>>63699615
Seems like popular theory has sorted this shitty thread.
>>63700096
>eating cats
The meat tastes and smells awful, though. Use plenty of garlic.
>>63698989
I'm an omnivorous animal and need meat to be healthy, plus, it's delicious.
>>63698989
Fags like OP
I'm afraid of looking weird and I REALLY like dairy products
>>63698989
Bacon and steak
>>63700623
Tl;Dr: Op is a faggot
>>63699458
There is nothing wrong with sitting down to pee as a man.
>>63698989
im not gay
>>63698989
>muh animals
gtfo
>>63700875
Only if you're too drunk to stand up or if you're shitting at the same time
all animals are not made equal
>>63698989
Would you be offended if I told you that "espetinho de gato" is the most delicious food EVER, and that I know that out of personal experience?
>>63698989
The vegan diet can't efficiently or even at all be an adequate substitute for the health benefits of meat.
>>63699245
>animals are property
Wrong. They have recognized rights.
>>63701132
They're also recognized as property.
>>63700679
The only animals you're meant to eat are bugs and very small animals like tiny lizards.
- You do not have teeth or claws designed to tear flesh from a living animal.
- You do not have the same stomach that meat-eating animals do; You easily get diseases that can kill you from eating raw meat.
- You're anatomically not fit for catching and killing animals, you're obviously designed like all other primates to primarily eat, in order of amounts, fruit, vegetation, and occasionally bugs or very small animals which don't really count as "meat".
You're a frugivore.
I literally have no problem watching and participating in the slaughter of animals. I myself have killed dozens, maybe even hundreds, of animals and eaten them. I am 100% guilt free. pic related
Now, ask a pro choicer to assist or even watch an abortion and see what there response is.
>>63698989
Im not mentally ill
>>63698989
>one type of animal is food, therefore all types of animals (including animals that don't belong to me) are all fair game to steal and eat raw.
>Vegan
>Having a logical and rational state of mind.
Choose one.
>meat is tasty
>hurr I'm going to eat your property
>>63701319
>You do not have the intelligence to create tools and weapons to hunt
>You do not have the intelligence to cooperate with others to hunt more effectively
>You do not have the intelligence to cook food
>You do not have physical resistance to chase animals for hours
You may not have any of them but homo sapiens do
>>63701865
Humans have the intelligence to genetically modify an animal to make it slow, and it's flesh tender and disease-free, which would make it easy to catch and eat raw.
That doesn't make it natural or mean I'm designed to eat meat.
>But that analogy doesn't make sense hurr durr
Yes it does, your arguments were based on:
>Human intelligence allows us to create technology which allows us to safely eat meat, therefore it's natural and we're designed to eat meat.
>>63698989
I'm not a rabbit.
>>63698989
i fixed that a little for you
>>63701865
Endurance hunting is largely discredited. The only people that do it don't actually use it as a main source of nutrition. It is only ever a cultural right of passage, ac way of dealing with cheetahs eating your chickens, or a way to trick white tourists out of their money.
Humans developed as scavengers, not hunters.
>>63702522
That being said, humans did evolve to eat meat, and we've been coming it long enough that it is natural to eat it, and better than the alternative.
We just didn't evolve by running animals down. That's a myth perpetuated by pseudo scientists to sell a book to joggers.
>>63702324
kek
>>63699245
>moose
fuck anon I only had it the once and I still crave it
>>63698989
whats your excuse for being a failure?
>>63702777
>humans did evolve to eat meat
>long enough that it is natural to eat it
>If I just claim stuff I think is probably true, it will be true
>>63698989
I am not a faggot like you.
Kill yourself.
>>63698989
I'm totally cool with the slaughter and consumption of animals.
At some point I want to eat a gunnea pig. I hear the way one does it in chile is to bake them in clay then smash it open, removing the fur.
Allegedly it tastes like chicken.
>>63702777
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persistence_hunting
>Persistence hunting (sometimes called endurance hunting or cursorial hunting) is a hunting technique in which hunters, who may be slower than their prey over short distances, use a combination of running, walking,[1] and tracking to pursue prey until it is exhausted.
>Persistence hunting was likely one of a number of tactics used by early hominins,[2][3
>In particular, humans can sweat to reduce body heat, while their quadrupedal prey needs to slow from a gallop in order to pant.
Literally 10 secs you nigger.
>>63703439
There's no actual evidence for it though. Look at uncontacted people's. They hunt through tool use and ambushes/stealth. Also, every supposed adaptation for endurance hunting is just as good an adaptation for scavenging.
>>63701345
>Now, ask a pro choicer to assist or even watch an abortion and see what there response is.
I've watched one on liveleak. What's the big fuss?
>>63703755
>no actual evidence
The persistence hunt is still practised by hunter-gatherers in the central Kalahari Desert in Southern Africa, and David Attenborough's documentary The Life of Mammals (program 10, "Food For Thought") showed a bushman hunting a kudu antelope until it collapsed.[8]
>Persistence hunting has even been used against the fastest land animal, the cheetah. In November 2013, four Somali-Kenyan herdsmen from northeast Kenya successfully used persistence hunting in the heat of the day to capture cheetahs who had been killing their goats.[10]
HOW ABOUT YOU READ THE WIKI YOU FUCKING DUMB CUNT
>>63703877
That documentary is bullshit. Scroll down the wikipedia entry you're frantically reading.
The bushman had to be pressured and pushed into doing it, and they applied him with bottled water the whole time. Iirc the hunt is a rite of passage for the tribesmen, not a sustenance thing.
The only legitimate persistence hunti can think of is a guy in Africa who did it to kill a cheetah that was eating his chickens.
>>63698989
Killing, even if they're plants, is wrong.
>>63704333
>Gave him bottled water
Read the wiki
>Humans also are uniquely able to carry water to drink while hunting.
Anyway you admit that persistence hunting is used by current primitive societies today, so it would of certainly used by primitive societies 1000s of years ago.
Now fuck off.
>>63701865
All of this is learned behavior. Intelligence is useless without something to think about
I'm sorta vegan as it's just healthy. I mean, I feel kinda bad as it's impossible to state you don't eat animal protein without sounding like pic related, but it's just... well, it's just healthy.
I'm fucked tho, as vegans hate me because I'm all for animal experimentation, I'm in it only for the health reasons which blows minds of most people. Which is funny as it seems only some petty morality can keep people off of meat.
Right now I'm looking also into CRON, dunno if I'll give it a try, but fuck, they have one awsome site which can be used for normal eating as well.
https://cronometer.com/#diary
>>63701259
Hence why we insure them anon
>>63698989
im not a pussified cuck
>>63698989
I tried going vegan, ended up hospitalized with megaloblastic anemia the doctor told me to eat meat and that vegans are retarded.
>>63704869
read my posts fag. I admitted that from post one. Endurance hunting has never been a major source of nutrition for any people though.
It's always been a rite of passage, a dare, a problem solving thing (fast animals are eating my real food).
Humans did not evolve to out run prey. They evolved to be the most efficient scavengers on earth. These adaptations also let them occasionally do really stupid shit like run marathons to catch trivial bags of calories. Sometimes the stupider cultures even made a practice of it despite how retarded it is. But no culture has ever been stupid enough to try and get a significant amount of calories out of persistence hunting.
I guess it could have happened, but if it did they quickly starved out and next no evidence behind.
>>63698989
Meat is kosher.
>>63705778
Use this next time you try to mess up your health
https://cronometer.com/#diary
Problem with vegan diet is that we are really, really unaccustomed to it, as in, in our culture we do not commonly use things that vegans need. Because of that, going vegan in American/European culture is basically science. You need to know precisely what your body needs and provide it in form of some substitutes. And then you do routine blood tests to see if you dun goofed. Problem with veganism is that many people "try it" without researching it (especially ones who go into it for moral reasons) and then give it really bad rep once they fuck themselves over.
I'm really starting to get hang of that shit and I still eat fish or white meat once a week as going full vegan is just fucking hard.
Hunter-gatherer societies were the point where humans started to evolve more brainpower that led to agriculture and the rise of civilization.
>>63698989
I like taste of meat and proteins from it
I don't anthropomorphize animals.
>>63698989
everybody knows that cats taste bad
I like having sexual intercourse with the opposite sex
I eat meat because animals are not equal to human beings
> captcha: select all food
>>63698989
If cats tasted good enough, we'd eat the fuck out of them. We'd breed them in mass quantities and ship them all over the nation. Fast food restaurants would advertise how they have the best cat burgers around.
But we don't. And the only reason we don't is because there are other meats that taste much better.
I want to do my part in the ongoing fittest survival of homo sapiens.
Now that its been proved that we owe our intelligence to eating meat, I will continue to work toward our existence.
>>63698989
I like being healthy
The worst part for me about not eating meat is the fact that it automatically puts me in a group with a horde of self-righteous faggots.
Trying to make up for it by serving my kids meat with every meal.
>>63701319
>Claws or teeth
Yeah, we evolved out of those thanks to our massive brains.
>Stomach
Yeah, we evolved out of those by learning to cook, increasing the amount of nutrients taken from meat and veggies.
>Not Anatomically fit
Yes we are.
>>63702194
>not designed to eat meat
Let's see your eyes are at the front of your face, a typical characteristic of carni- and omnivores. You have a distinct set of teeth especially suited for eating both meat and plants. Your digestive tract is of medium length and not suited for plant material. You have special enzymes to digest lots of fats found in meats. Shall I go on?
>>63698989
Because only cannibals will make it through the happening
>>63707095
>If cats tasted good enough
Refer to>>63700995
We actually do what you just described lol.
Cat meat is the most delicious, tender, soft and juicy meat there is, anybody that says otherwise has never tried it!
Cow meat got nothing on it, and I say that living in a country whose main product of exportation is cow meat.
>>63702522
>Endurance hunting discredited
You're right, except you know for the thousands of examples in history and how we evolved to do it.
It is only one of our techniques, but it is still a technique we employ.
>>63698989
Because I'm not a little bitch?
I like how these vegan comics are always about these INTOLERANT CANNIBAL MONSTERS! going out and telling vegans that their wrong, it's a complete reversal of reality where vegans are the ones who won't shut the fuck up.
Hell, making these comics where they make themselves the victims is just another example of them being unable to shut the fuck up.
>>63702777
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>>63703439
>2016 and still believing that the word of man dictates how the world operates
if man does it, it's natural, stop using this shit fallacy
you cannot under any circumstances say that humans can or cannot do something just because some scientist said so, especially if it's something HUMANS ALREADY DO
>but that's cheating
>that's not how we evolved boo hoo
kill yourself- cheating doesn't exist
I like Russian kielbasa.
>>63701319
>you're obviously designed like all other primates to primarily eat, in order of amounts, fruit, vegetation, and occasionally bugs or very small animals which don't really count as "meat".
Yeah, look at these chimpanzee eating bugs. Do I need to post the youtube video with the baboon eating a baby gazelle while it's still very much alive?
>>63707573
Most great-apes have eyes in the front of their heads, dipshit. Last I checked, 97% of great apes are herbivorous. As far as this canine teeth shit, have you seen a camels canines? Do you seriously think they go around munching on other animals? LMBO. Diurnal animals have canine teeth as a defensive weapon, nocturnal (carnivorous animals that hunt at night) have sharp canines for ripping flesh off animals.
The reason our intestines are of a shorter length is because we've been cooking and cultivating food for over 400,000 years. That's why we have such big brains and that's why we have civilisation. Meat played only a small part in that. We have enzymes for digesting lactose and starch but no paleo-fags are going around saying those are optimal for our health. Hmm, I wonder why!
you're a dumbass lol
i'd eat any animal desu
cats, dogs, whales, dolphins
i want to know what they all taste like
>>63708219
Monkey meat barely accounts for even 1% of a chimpanzee's diet. Even then, only the alpha males get to eat it. Termites account for around 5-10% varying on the tribe.
>>63708250
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRXO82OjSQU
Different one. Chimpanzees hunt down a monkey and tear it apart. Last I checked, according to evolution chimpanzees are our closest animal relative.
>>63708526
Read >>63708360 mo-mo.
>>63708219
Chimps also cannibalize neighbouring tribes now and then.
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>>63708360
Im a biologist, and that is down-right retarded.
Chimpanzees actively hunt down and eat monkeys.
>>63708684
Where's your source? Most chimp behavior specialists including Jane Goodall say that it accounts for less than 5% of their diet. It makes sense when you look at their digestive system, which is a fucking herbivores! Look how their gut bulges out to accommodate for their huge fucking digestive system. Hardly an omnivore.
>>63708906
>Where's your source?
Animal behaviour class in college.
You are retarded.
>>63709066
Nice source asshole.
>>63708906
>eats meat and veg
>i-it's not an omnivore guys
Are you stupid, seriously?
>>63703089
THIS.
Moose is fucking delicious.
i don't know why you guys argue about whether we 'should' eat meat or not
it's not like we 'should' be drinking alcohol or eating processed foods but people are going to do it whether they know it's not part of the 'natural' diet or not
>I'm willing to eat plants and animals, despite being living things that are no less valuable than humans
>Humans are insignificant
>Thus plants and animals are insignificant
The proper conclusion is that one SHOULD be willing to kill humans if they're willing to kill plants and/or animals.
They're all equally worthless, so I have no problem with killing any of them.
>>63709222
Cats often eat grass, does that make them omnivores? If I ate paper only does that make me a pulpivore? No, jackass, behavior is not what determines the taxonomic classifications of omnivore, herbivore or carnivore. Biology does. Get off your proxies and read a book.
>>63708002
So my diaper fetish is natural?
>>63698989
protein gives me more energy though.
I like plant based diets, but it literally turns me into a sloth after about a week.
>>63709688
How many grams of protein do you usually get?
>>63709393
Cats eat grass to puke the furballs that acumulate on their stomachs due to them liking themselves, they don´t do it for nutrition.
>>63710013
>cats eat grass
Looks like an omnivore to me! DUHHHHHH
switch your proxy now to make it look like more retards agree with you. lol
been vegan for seven years
probably the only good life decision i've ever made desu
>>63709393
Cats eat grass to make themselves sick. That's Not the same thing.
>>63710013
They also do it to puke up the feathers and bones of any animals they eat. Which they likely will partake in if they are outside eating grass in the first place.
>>63710187
You're the retard. They eat grass to BE SICK. It's no different from popping a pill for a headache but you don't say penicillin is part of your diet do you.
>>63698989
I want some normal friends
>>63710187
>I'll just read only part of his post and go from there
Nice job fucktard
>>63707590
what film?
>>63710230
>>63710352
>>63710427
>moving the goalposts this fucking hard
You and I never argued about WHY they eat grass, did we? While you're working on this equation, tell me why we still classify Western Lowland Gorillas as herbivores even though they eat pounds and pounds of termites daily. I'm waiting!
-reminder that you're wrong about canine teeth, intestines etc-
>>63704421
You're so right! I'm off to a hippy commune to learn how to become a wind-blown fruitarian
>>63698989
Animal death is not unacceptable.
You cannot be healthy if you don't eat some fish and meat.
>>63710578
black sails show
>>63698989
morality doesn't exist. if you believe it does without evidence, you're as gullible as an evangelical christian.
>>63710908
Is animal torture acceptable? These are not Old McDonald's farms, these are industrial farms.
Tell that to the Okinawans, longest living culture on Earth and the most plant-based.
>inb4 muh eskimos
>>63711229
>These are not Old McDonald's farms, these are industrial farms.
pic related
>>63711229
>still falling for the culture/health meme
It's genetics and race, not culture.
>>63698989
Top of the food chain.
>>63711305
On a study of Tibetan monks, I remember reading that the monks who eat 0% animal products lived longer than those who consume some animal products. Then there's the countless meta-analyses which adjust for race and ethnicity that show "vegans" of all races being those with the lowest risk of cancer and heart disease. You're full of shit.
>>63711585
Actually, it's pretty much been conclusively proven that the only way to increase lifespan is through caloric restriction (severe, uncomfortable caloric restriction). Nothing else really works.
Have fun cherry picking 'studies', though. This is why nobody takes amateur pseudo-scientists who think they have the ability to assess science seriously.
>>63709249
This shitposter is right.
Should isn't relevant, the only thing that's relevant is the outcomes, and for individuals there is very little difference between eating meat and not eating meat as long as you get your nutritional load satisfied by your diet. For some cultures, like the inuit, they cannot eat much plant matter and so have to resort to eating raw meat to get all the micronutrients their bodies require.
>>63711739
I'll sooner believe concrete scientific meta-analyses over a pseudo-intellectual posting nebulous blanket statements on 4chan. Thanks for trying.
>muh cherrypicking
>muh correlation =/= causation
freedom is the right of all sentient beings. not being a vegan makes you a shit tier human.
most of you believe in principles until they are an inconvenience, legit subhuman level behavior.
>>63711739
Methionine restriction is just as effective as calorie restriction.
Guess which diet has the lowest levels of methionine intake?
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/methionine-restriction-as-a-life-extension-strategy/
>>63711305
so all the scientific literature pointing to diet and activity levels as factors in health and longevity are false?
cope harder cunt
>>63712252
Exactly right, that caloric restriction may only seem to be effective because it also restricts dozens of other mortality-linked amino acids, pesticides etc.
>>63712252
More idiots who think reading one study with no ability to assess methodology means that their opinion is correct.
I like the taste of meat
My cat is my property, if you kill it you're committing a felony
Cats are also quite gamey and tough, it wouldn't be tasty
>>63710908
Yes you can, in fact it's much healthier to forgo animals products
>>63712434
Care to poke any holes in the methodologies of these studies then, genius? Everyone here is poking holes in YOUR logic.
>>63712434
want me to post more?
>>63712099
>>63712434
Oh, and
>freedom is the right of all sentient beings
[citation needed]
This is important for all science-cranks to understand; your opinion is, in all cases, less accurate than scientific consensus. Stop reading studies. You're dumb. You don't understand how to assess their veracity. You don't understand how science works. Cherry picking studies that have not been quality controlled or laid to bare against the broad field of knowledge relevant to the case is childish, idiotic behavior.
>>63700995
>>63707095
True, cat food is delicious... But not really clean tho, easy to get diseases... And I think it is illegal
>>63712606
meat eating cunts will do anything to stay ignorant.
fucking plebs.
>>63712434
>>63712714
Here's a study that shows the ideal range of LDL cholesterol is 50-70. Who's the only diet group that consistently falls into this range? HMMMM
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0735109704007168
You think you're so fucking smart because you don't believe scientific studies. lol grow up
You know, I know this steak was brutally killed. I know that when I put it in my mouth, the animal it came from lived only to end up on my plate after being brutally slaughtered. After twenty seven years, you know what I realize?
Ignorance is bliss.
vegemite or nothing
meat is for dirty wogs
>>63712714
citation needed for what? that causing unnecessary death to sentient beings should not be done?
hue hue hue can't make this shit up.
again, poke holes through the linked videos/studies they mention. I am waiting cunt.
>>63698989
I go without meat for a few days and I feel like a lesser creature.
>>63698989
I have no reason to become one.
>>63700623
>>63712904
that's fine, just acknowledge that you're a bad person.
>>63712791
>But not really clean tho, easy to get diseases... And I think it is illegal
It is clean enough, the heat kills anything that is in the meat, and most places won´t use diseased cats for this, cats are so easy to breed it makes no sense. Unless you are eating in a favela that is.
And yeah, it is illegal, same way it is illegal to sell dog meat, but you can still get guioza filled with dog meat at the chinese market at liberdade, in SP.
>>63713089
eat more you pussy.
cunt goes vegan, eats nothing but lettuce and carrots.
hurr durr my GAINZZZ.
>>63712904
>Brutally
[citation needed]
Animal slaughter is far from brutal, if done to an acceptable humane standard
>>63713199
Nice restaurants usually don't sell espetinho de gato, so it ends up being a not so clean food, of course that with the proper cooking it won't give you diseases
>>63713300
>omg i went veeeegan for two days and i had to be RUSHED TO THE FREAKIN HOSPITAL because i went aneamic sure i eat some milk now but its not an poor wittle animal so its ok lol
>>63713358
the very act of unnecessary slaughter is brutal and degenerate.
>>63713199
Cooking it doesn't get rid off exogenous mammal estrogen however brah.
>>63713527
vegetarians are the ones who become anemic due to the iron absorption blocking properties of dairy.
>>63713754
I don't deem it unnecessary. Farming is what helps drive nations, be it animals or plants.
>Ausflag
>"degenerate" maymay
>>63698989
Good night you filthy fucking vegan kuffar coward.
Burn in hell. Fucking islamophobe
Coward
I bet you tried to filter me because you can't refute these facts
The Quran teaches that God is extremely displeased with those who prohibit anything that was not specifically prohibited in the Quran (16:116). The upholding of any prohibitions not specifically mentioned in the Quran is tantamount to idolatry (6:148-150). Such prohibitions represent some other god(s) beside God. Worshipping God Alone means upholding His Laws alone.
The prohibited food and meat is detailed in 2:173, 5:3, 6:145 and 16:115. From these verses we have a clear account of what is halal (lawful) and what is haram (prohibited).
"He only prohibits for you the eating of animals that die of themselves (without human interference), blood, the meat of pigs, and animals dedicated to other than God. If one is forced (to eat these), without being malicious or deliberate, he incurs no sin. God is Forgiver, Most Merciful." 2:173
Veganism is actively haram. Since prohibiting what Allah has not forbidden is a haram.
Clear as crystal. Get fucked islamophobe.
Inshallah. I love Allah so much.
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>>63714410
It is unnecessary is every possible way.
Plant agriculture is a much more efficient use of land and resources.
instead of:
Plant -> animal -> human
you can:
Plant -> human
Humans are omnivores. We function best eating both animals and plants.
There are some nutrients that can only be gotten from plants (like Vitamin C) and others that can only be gotten from animals.
Vitamin B12 is a water soluble vitamin that is involved in the function of every cell in the body.
It is particularly important in the formation of blood and the function of the brain.
Because B12 is critical for life and isn’t found in any amount in plants (except some types of algae), it is by far the most important nutrient that vegans must be concerned with.
In fact, B12 deficiency is very common in vegans, one study showing that a whopping 92% of vegans are deficient in this critical nutrient (Source: http://www.karger.com/Article/Abstract/176565 )
>>63714628
meat eating is legit muslim tier behavior. lol at savages.
>>63698989
Meat tastes good. Leaves don't.
>>63715230
Good thing we are taking over and will kill all you vegans
>>63715180
Animal protein contains all the essential amino acids in the right ratios. It is important for muscle mass and bone health, to name a few. Vegans don’t get any animal protein, which can have negative effects on body composition (http://www.jssm.org/vol3/n3/2/v3n3-2pdf.pdf http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/17657359 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10584048 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19678968 ).
Creatine helps form an energy reservoir in cells. Studies show that vegetarians are deficient in creatine, which has harmful effects on muscle and brain function ( http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=8207518 http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=8207518 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1691485/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14600563).
>>63715298
Carnosine is protective against various degenerative processes in the body and may protect against aging. It is found only in animal foods (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10951108 ).
Docosahexaenoic Acid (DHA) is the most active form of Omega-3 fatty acids in the body and primarily found in animal foods. The plant form of Omega-3s, ALA, is inefficiently converted to DHA in the body ( http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18305382 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11083485 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9637947 ).
>>63706274
There are literally people who eat nothing but french fries fuck off
>>63715180
B12 is produced by bacteria in the lower colon of humans. so back in the day when we shit in the rivers we used to drink from we got plenty of B12.
Today we can take B12 pills. Also 40% of north americans are B12 deficient so it's not an exclusively vegan problem.
take B12 pill or kill animals, hmm hard choice.
>>63715437
Cholesterol is a crucial molecule in the body and is part of every cell membrane. It is also used to make steroid hormones like testosterone. Studies show that saturated fat intake correlates with increased testosterone levels (http://jap.physiology.org/content/82/1/49.full).
Not surprisingly, vegans and vegetarians have much lower testosterone levels than meat eaters (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1435181 http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/42/1/127.abstract http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/159772 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2526906 ).
In short, you're fucking up your kids by making them vegans. Your children will be weaker than you, their children weaker than them, and then suddenly, they won't be reproducing without miscarriage after miscarriage.
>>63715453
>We need to take pills to survive! As Nature intended!
>>63702324
lol/10
>>63698989
meat is delicious and i enjoy hunting
sue me vegan scum
>>63715298
"complete" protein meme is BS plants contain sufficient amounts of protein.
creatine like cholesterol is produced by the body in sufficient quantities and therefore there is no need to consume it.
DHA can be supplemented if your diet is insufficient and this doesn't happen if you eat enough calories and have a decent variety of food.
Carnosine I have no idea about let me get back to you.
>>63715632
Answered in my previous comments and Vegans have higher total testosterone than omnivores.
http://nutritionfacts.org/2013/02/12/less-cancer-in-vegan-men-despite-more-testosterone/
>vegan and pro-choice
Why is this a thing
>>63715632
We live in an "unnatural" society so we may have to take steps that we wouldn't have to "naturally" read my response before you post you verbal diarrhea.
>>63698989
We are all animals. Animals eat each other. It's nature. We eat nature too, and so do the animals.
And if you are what you eat, then a vegan is a vegetable. Kill yourself.
Vegans - (-1) Meatsacks - 0
>>63708906
>less than 5%
Vegetables make up less than 5% of the diet of millions of Americans, I guess that means those millions of Americans are carnivores.
>>63716208
assuming I am pro-choice
>>63716353
And you are?
>>63716270
appeal to nature fallacy, try again.
Literally resorting to cliched bullshit to defend your indefensible actions.
>>63716466
what?
>>63716579
Animals that don't have the same cognitive abilities as humans shouldn't get the same treatment as humans. Although causing animals unnecessary pain should be avoided, it should be avoided because that harm dehumanizes the person doing so.
>>63716626
Why did you respond with?>>63716353
Who are you? Why should I give a shit about you, specifically?
>>63698989
the same excuse for everything
apathy!
>>63698989
I was evolved based on a cooked meat diet being integral to my survival
Animals eat each other, it's the law of the strongest, humans are animals by definition, we are the strongest animal kind out there.
Is that so hard?
It's tasy, socially acceptable and readilly avaliable.
Also, it's good energy.
I'll be honest, if I had to kill all meat I would consume I would probably be a vegan.
>>63716879
my bad I assumed this
>vegan and pro-choice
Why is this a thing
was directed at me
dont get your panties in a knot.
>>63716919
It isn't integral to your survival
otherwise all meat eaters who turned vegan would die/become unhealthy which is clearly not the case.
try again.
>>63715021
http://www.wsj.com/articles/actually-raising-beef-is-good-for-the-planet-1419030738
https://www.newscientist.com/blog/shortsharpscience/2007/10/eat-little-meat-good-for-your-brain-and.html
I'm not sure if I would eat a cat, but if I did I would get a cat specifically for eating and it would not be more or less barbaric than doing the same with a cow/pork/sheep as everyone does
>>63717054
don't you see the insanity in that statement.
Same thing as "moderate" muslims who are ok with terroristic actions. I don't mind reaping the results of others actions which I can't do myself.
be more internally consistent breh.
>>63698989
I think meat tastes good
People are physiologically evolved to eat meat
I guess if you could grow meat that tastes the same I'd be ok with that
>>63717471
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/02/15/how-to-avoid-the-most-dangerous-side-effect-of-veganism.aspx
How long have you been vegan for? Tick tick tick... soon you won't have the mental fortitude to post on 4chan, see-ya!
>>63698989
I stand up when I piss
>>63698989
There's nothing inherently wrong about eating cats. Just don't eat MY fucking cat. It is not meant to be food.
>>63698989
I don't give a shit about animal cruelty/slaughter because they don't have human sentience, making it impossible/illogical to emphatize with. It's like saying you can feel a tree hurting because some lumberjack cut it down when plants lack a nervous system or a brain
>>63717494
grass fed cattle require more land and water to produce
"a grass-fed cow will use 35 percent more water and 30 percent more land than a conventional, grain-fed cow"
"it becomes clear there is a 500% increase in greenhouse gas emissions for each pound of beef produced from grass-fed compared to grain-fed cattle"
http://extension.psu.edu/animals/beef/grass-fed-beef/articles/telling-the-grass-fed-beef-story
Yeah, killing animals with the methods we use nowadays, that are pretty much painless for the animals (it's now like we slaughter them alive, that would actually spoil the meat), is exactly the same than bombing people and tearing them to pieces alive for political/religious "issues".
A more fair comparison would be if someone said "I would eat children if I did not have to hunt them myself and they were sold at the meat market".
>>63717758
using the biggest pseudo-scientific cunt on the planet mercola as a source.
wewlad
>>63718064
don't you see the arbitrary distinction?
"killing that dog is okay but killing mine isn't"
>>63718157
animals can feel pain the same as humans can. would it be okay to kill mentally retarded kids because they don't have the sentience of a human?
>>63705435
How's that B12 vitamin coming along polebro? getting your pills on time?
>>63718448
The articles I linked just contradicted those findings, get some b12 in your system before your brain fails entirely.
>>63718452
The problem isn't so much with how we kill them but that we kill them at all.
>>63718656
Is not about being right or wrong eating the dog, if you eat someone else's cow, you are stealing property. Get your own cow or dog to eat.
>Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things. - Genisis 9:3
>>63718826
admittedly i skimmed the article, I couldn't find any references to the land use or water needed to raise cattle.
>>63719145
Implying what the bible says it's relevant in the XXI century.
>>63719067
you're fine with eating dogs as long as you get permission from the owner? no consideration for the dog?
You have one life on this plant. You literally should not give a fuck about other people especially animals.
There is no reason to not eat animals and not give a fuck especially if they are suffering. It does nothing for you while you are alive and nobody will give you special brownie points when you are dead because you were nice to animals.
You live once, don't give a fuck if animals suffer. I would not give a fuck if anyone suffered if I were able to get away with it.
>>63718656
It's not about the cat. If you kill my cat and eat it, I'M the one you're wronging. I quite like my cat, and it's my property.
>>63718763
>animals can feel pain the same as humans can. would it be okay to kill mentally retarded kids because they don't have the sentience of a human?
Yes? Who cares?
Why should I care at all.
You sound like some religious nut case who believes there are rules to get into heaven and one of them is to be goodie goodie nice to everything and everyone.
>>63719473
being good for the sake of being good is not enough?
>>63719710
I am sorry you feel that way. sometimes being good is it's own reward, no need for external motivation.
>>63719593
refer to|
>>63719417
>>63719784
>good for the sake of being good
And this does what for me besides hold me back?
To make others feel good? I feel better eating what I want and doing what I want as long as am allowed to.
Also, who defines "good" this all stems back to religions pushing what is good or bad.
I will continue doing what I believe is good, which is eating what you want and doing what you want. In my one life on this planet if I want to eat meat I am sure as hell going to do it. I am not sacrificing my happiness for someone else's unless I get something more out of it.
>>63719417
I'm fine the same way I'm not thinking about the cow's feelings when I go to McDonalds, only thing that would not be fine to me would be for the animal to suffer unnecessarily.
Yet I admit that i feel natural rejection towards the idea of eating a dog and that doesn't happen with a cow, but that is product of years and years of living with the pre-concept of: Dog=Companion Cow=Food, objetively speaking they should be considered the same, either food or sacred life, yet even animals make those distinctions, maybe a Lion would eat a Deer but not some other animal, like a dog, or a frog, or a snake, I should look that up.
>>63720155
Because I do not care about others dogs. It is their property to do what they wish as long as it does not effect me negatively.
It's a doggie dog world my friend. Those who do not see it this way will waste their one life.
>>63719417
>>63720155
Yes. Aside from the fact that it's stupidly inefficient and dogs are poor meat, you go ahead and eat a dog (your dog) if it pleases you. Just make sure to kill it humanely.
Also, I generally frown on killing animals raised as pets, whether for eating or for fun. But that's for irrational, feelings-based reasons.
>>63720265
if you truly believe that doing what you want regardless of the consequences is good then I can't say anything to sway you. it's up to you to decide what is good or not.
I don't think you really believe that though.
>>63699245
/thread
you should probably just kill yourself if youre giving up moose
>>63720436
"animal to suffer unnecessarily."
the very act of slaughtering it to eat when other viable and easily accessible options are available it becomes unnecessary.
>>63698989
I'm not a vegan because I care about animal welfare.
>>63713797
>exogenous mammal estrogen
Who gives a fuck? You are a vegan, your opinion in the subject literally does not matter.
>>63720747
*make it
>>63720502
I truly believe in not concerning others with my actions unless it will have some negative ramifications in the future for myself.
This includes animals.
I might have to say different to someone in public but this is what I truly believe and in any situation where I can act this way I will.
I am not hindering myself in life due to what someone else thinks is good or bad.
My happiness is the most important thing in my life and I do not care about anyone else's. This includes my wife and future children.
I will keep my wife happy because that makes me happy due to what I get out of it. A companion and partner in life who also thinks life me. Funny thing is she is Chinese so she has an extra lack of empathy which is a very great trait to have.
>>63720487
don't you think those feelings point to more concrete moral/ethical standards that we naturally possess?
>>63721097
No, those feelings point to the fact humans are social creatures, and because brains aren't perfect we tend to apply morality reserved for humans to our pets.
>>63720920
okay, if that's the case how about the appeal of veganism to personal health?
A vegan diet increases longevity and reduces the rate of chronic health conditions.
>>63721097
>moral/ethical standards that we naturally possess
None of it is natural. It's all push onto you.
The faster you remove morals and ethics the more you will enjoy and succeed in life.
You might have to stoop to others mortals or ethics in situations such as in business. But in any situation where you can discard these, the better you will come out.
>>63720902
It takes WAY more energy to sustain people on a vegan diet than it does to sustain NORMAL people. If man kind when 100% vegan, it would end with our extinction when all the fertile land is destroyed.
There is nothing morally wrong with omnivores being omnivores.
>>63721344
what determines the extent to which we apply that morality?
why not stop at ourselves/family/race etc.?
>>63698989
250 grams of protein a day, a 2600 kCal cut diet, a preference for whole foods, and an aversion to soy.
>>63698989
I like meat. Why is it so important to fuckwads like you what I put in your body?
>>63720747
But the animal isn't suffering while I slaughter him, he is killed before using some other method that is as painless as possible, I'm killing him unnecessarily if you want, but he isn't suffering on the process of the very act you mention.
It's like saying that dismantling a body on an autopsy is an act of cruelty, the guy is already dead.
>>63721441
>None of it is natural. It's all push onto you.
>The faster you remove morals and ethics the more you will enjoy and succeed in life.
>You might have to stoop to others mortals or ethics in situations such as in business. But in any situation where you can discard these, the better you will come out.
do babies and toddlers not show any behavior that we would consider morally relevant?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBW5vdhr_PA
>>63721511
You could. I do. It's called nationalism (if applied to the nation), and it's a very viable evolutionary strategy.
>>63721812
Correction: More accurately this could also be called tribalism.
>>63721355
>veganism to personal health
I am quite well informed about vegan diets and what they claim.
I believe there should be no extreme or another. A full vegan diet is in fact bad for your health due to missing nutrition and vitamins.
But on the other extreme to much meat does increase your chronic health conditions especially heart disease. This is more common on those with who do not exercise.
I exercise 4 times a week. 2 days of cardio and 2 days of lighting weights.
I also balance my diet around vegetables and meats.
I have no problems with someone else wanting to eat just vegetables or extreme meat diets.
I just do not care about the animals that are used to produce my meals that I enjoy.
>>63710645
Cats will ingest grass but not digest it.
Those chimpanzees are both ingesting and digesting monkeys.
>>63721738
Man those little babies have no clue what it is going on and are still developing their brains.
Nothing should be morally relevant unless if benefits you.
>>63721934
>to much meat does increase your chronic health conditions especially heart disease.
This is true of almost any food.
The evidence for high meat diets being bad is extremely flakey however.
I'm a vegan. But it can't be done too strictly as quality of available goods is not 100/100. Can recommend it to anyone. Even or best is to chose being maybe 10/100 vegan and see what happens. Unless not having a motivation or moral that offers a peaceful want to do anything vegan.
>>63721493
animal agriculture is a MUCH more inefficient method of energy production.
>>63698989
I don't need an excuse you fucking fruitcake.
>>63721617
it's not what you put in your body thats the problem it's what needs to happen (killing animals unnecessarily) that we are concerned with.
>>63722325
>This is true of almost any food.
>The evidence for high meat diets being bad is extremely flakey however.
Also true.
You should not give a fuck what others eat and what you eat unless it effects you.
I do not care about the lard ass pumping sugar into his system and I do not care about the keto faggot down my street.
I do care about someone trying to push his vegen diets in a way which might restrict my access to my meats which I enjoy.
If you are a vegan go be a dam vegan but the moment you start trying to restrict my happiness I will do what I can to stop you.
This applies to everything in my life.
>>63721681
so you're claiming that the animal suffers no pain from being killed?
I'd encourage you to watch some slaughter house footage and tell me they don't suffer.
>>63722571
>killing animals unnecessarily
Who cares and why are you concerned.
This does not effect you and does not matter.
>>63702194
Man is part of nature, always has been
also vegans are faggots
>>63721934
>A full vegan diet is in fact bad for your health due to missing nutrition and vitamins.
This is even the largest bullshit I have ever heard.
Possibly, what could match it is that there is things like egg [and less serious] milk in too much easy available goods.
>>63722571
How can I get 30% of my diet being protein while not ingesting any animal products, not eating any soy, and eating 2600 kcal a day during my cuts (around 3200 during maintenance periods)? My life would have to virtually revolve around food.
>>63698989
Meat tastes good.
>>63721861
wouldn't you say that's a limited view? why not show compassion when you can and when it has no negative consequence to yourself?
>>63722466
Foods should be compared on a per calorie basis, not per kg. For example, 1 kg of broccoli has 340 calories for 2.0 kg CO2, which is 170 calories per kg CO2. 1 kg of canned tuna has 1160 calories for 6.1 kg CO2, which is 190 calories per kg CO2. As such, canned tuna is more efficient than broccoli for CO2 emissions per calorie.
The amount of food a human requires is measured in calories, not kilograms.
