Time for something unrelated to rapefugees and "MUH PATRIARCHY" landwhales.
What are you guys' opinions on taxes?
Should the rich, middle class, or poor get taxed the most?
What should be revised, replaced, or repealed regarding the tax system?
Any country is welcome, I don't give a shit.
The only things that should be taxed are consumption and land property. Plus extra taxes for use/consumption/output of harmful stuff, like fossil fuel, alcohol and CO2.
>>63696916
So I should be taxed for having to drive to work? Having to use gas to cook food?
>>63696051
A simple progressive tax with no, or almost no deductions.
The same for capital gains.
A flat corporate tax with exceedingly strict definition of what is taxable.
Like trump's plan, but with higher numbers on income and cap gains, and with payroll taxes rolled into income. Make it 10/20/30, or whatever.
Lots of places spending could be scaled back without harm on all but the most useless 1%.
The US gets complicated more than euros will know, because our states do way more than people realize, and account for 50% of government expenditures.
People just look at federal taxes and spending, when states take just as much in far more circuitous ways.
Lots of government responsibilities are split in control or funding between the state and the fed.
We should try to set issues in as much one entities hand as possible.
Schools should be entirely in state control, or entirely in federal control, not haphazardly divided between both.
Highways should be entirely federal, all local infrastructure entirely state.
Etc etc.
>>63697119
If you decide to burn fossil fuel and pollute the air just to get to work quicker and easier, thats the price you pay.
In return get to keep everything you earn though, no matter how much it is, because no income tax.
Also electric cars have been a thing for years and cooking doesn't require gas either. You essentially pay for being an ignorant piece of shit.
>>63698011
>>63698011
Damn nigga
Link to your economics blog?
>>63696051
Its a Fraud, that operates on an excise tax on an avoidable elective franchise termed Trade or Business
>>63698146
Ah so the government is going to pay for the population's replacement vehicle after this mandate as well as 40% of the population's replacement of cooking stoves sense that is approximate to the people whose houses are only equipped for such appliances
Well done Anon, you've bankrupt your country in the first two weeks of your new tax code.
People are not ignorant for utilizing only what is available to them. Try to remember your privilege next time libtard
>>63696916
>basically everything
also global warming is a myth and a tax scam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcxrWUTzrUA
A flat tax. With a rate of zero.
Any money the government receives should be in the form of a donation to the relevant agencies the people would like funded.
>>63699064
Why the fuck would the government pay for you? It's your decision to make. You're simply taxed if you refuse to follow technological progress and rather continue to harm your fellow people out of sheer laziness. Remember that getting an electric car and oven is to YOUR advantage in the long run.
I wanna get an opinion on this. Should the poor be taxed more?
>Higher competition to stay out of the poverty line
>But moralfags will disagree because it hurts lazy niggers' feelings
From an economic standpoint, is this a bad idea?
>>63699868
>if you don't replace your pefectly functional tool with a brand new expensive one, we'll take your money anyway
>>63699941
Cant squeeze much blood from a stone.
>>63699868
So you expect everyone to be able to immediately comply with your new tax code as soon as it is implemented? No transition period? No transition assistance? Burger flippers and janitors are all just as able and ready to switch out for green consumer products as you and your parents huh? Lol your ignorance is showing anon.
>>63700157
>perfectly unnecessarily polluting and limited rescources burning tools
FTFY
>>63700364
>spend $30,000 now or be taxed $5 a day until you do.
You've never had a real job, have you.
>>63699941
Depends on your economy. If you have a high functioning economy, no. You can make more with a small tax on the wealthy. If you have a shit economy and need to create or attract wealth, your only good dependable revenue will come from the poor.
The best tax would likely be almost exclusively consumption-based, but exemptions for those with low incomes on necessities.
Add a modest capital gains tax and you're done.
>>63700340
Holy shit you guys are retarded. Where the fuck did I imply any of that? And taxes like that already exist pretty much everywhere (don't know how it is in the US) and they're really not a big deal. They're merely an incentive for you to switch because you will save money over a few years.
>>63700364
>limited resources
Coming at this from a physics perspective.
If the universe is infinitely large, then aren't all non-renewable resources actually infinitely abundant? And if they are "non-renewable", i.e. they can't be replaced after they're consumed, how is it that they ever came to exist in the first place? Isn't it true that they simply take a longer than usual amount of time to be renewed?
>>63701584
Oh of course, I totally forgot we can just wait a few million years for more dead shit to turn into oil. And when we run out of rare metals we can just ignite a new Star and have it throw some more at us. How shortsighted of me.
>>63702630
So if we choose to not use the resources we have then don't we already not have them?
It should be progressive.
The first billion is always the hardest.
>>63703348
The worst thing about humanity is that we don't give a shit till it's too late. We don't care now because it isn't our generations.
>>63702630
On a more serious note, the current climate in the oil industry would seem to indicate that, if anything, our planet has an over-abundance of fossil fuels, not a shortage.
It's also patently incorrect that we either have already or will soon move past the need for petroleum products. Less than half of all oil produced is consumed in transportation, and less than half of all oil consumed in transportation is consumed in personal transportation. Even if we assume that every single one of the West's middle and upper classes buy into the electric car phenomenon, what about the 60-80% of the West that can't afford a new car of any variety, electric or not? The used electric car market isn't especially vibrant at the moment.
Trendy college kids and their rich parents might decide to follow Leonardo DiCaprio's example, but what about transportation companies and airlines, the single two largest consumers of oil for use in transportation?
We'll be in a completely post-scarcity society before oil is phased out.
>>63703348
Why would we chose not to use them? A tax on limited resources serves merely as a reminder, and an incentive to think about what you're using up and if it's really worth it to you.
People will be less likely to waste shit and it will be more likely to still be available when someone comes around who can make good use if it.
>>63704120
So me driving my work truck to put food on my table isn't a good use of it? Paying more money is going to remind me that I'm gonna need more gas next year?
>>63696051
No taxes because the free market fixes everything :^)
>>63703941
>oil prices dropping means oil is abundant
It's not and the oil price drop has been predicted, and it's simply caused by the world currently producing more than consuming. There was stuff in the news very recently about people actually selling oil for NEGATIVE value simply because storing it was costing them too much.
But oil will run out eventually, that's a fact. And the price will skyrocket when everyone competes for the last drops.
That's also why electrical cars are only a question of when, not if. The fact most people simply cannot afford them TODAY is irrelevant but obviously caused by our fucked so called "economy".
>>63705333
So electric cars will be cheaper when the demand skyrockets?
>>63704552
Im not saying it's not a good use, you gotta do what you gotta do. Again, all these taxes aim to do, is give you little incentive to think about whether you could maybe save money by not burning oil.
Also in general, someone who has to worry about things like this would be MUCH better off in a system primarily based on consumption tax.
The ideal tax system is simple.
The simplest possible and quite possibly the fairest is a capital depreciation tax: all capital is taxed a flat % of its value per year.
What this means is whoever owns some capital either 1) accepts that his capital loses value, and it's worth having anyway (e.g. a house or condo) or 2) invests the capital in something with yields above the tax %.
Unlike transactional taxes, capital tax does not cut spending. What it does cut down on is low-yield capital. There's no reason to hoard vacant capital—it just increases your tax exposure. All capital should be put into use, invested or sold off.
Also, how to ensure things are evaluated at their fair value? Simple! Anyone can offer to buy any piece of capital at the valuation listed in the books. The owner can respond by either accepting or marking up the valuation until the buyer gives up—increasing their tax exposure. Everything is on sale!
>>63705333
>But oil will run out eventually, that's a fact.
'Peak oil' has been predicted to be right around the corner since the late 60's. Discoveries of new deposits, more efficient methods of extraction and especially unconventional deposits have always and will always exceed demand. The Canadian province of Alberta alone has more oil in its unconventional deposits than the entire world's current proven reserves. Peak oil exists only in the regional sense—Alaska, for instance, has largely exhausted its (rather small) conventional reserves.
We have more petroleum than we need; there has never been an oil shortage that wasn't caused by some kind of political conflict, and there never will be one for as long as the concept of resource scarcity exists.
>>63705801
Definitely, because production of electric cars will have to increase, which means it gets more efficient to produce.
>>63701584
>If the universe is infinitely large
It's finite but large.
>>63706104
At what point will be a lower-middle class family be able to own and operate a used electric car at a lower cost than a used conventionally fuelled car?
>>63706104
When oil becomes expensive again alternatives become viable.
Unless their is a magic battery the electric car will never be popular.
What will happen is nuclear power plants will start to crack hydrogen and the combine with carbon extracted from bodies of water (oceans and large lakes) to produce synthetic liquid fuel replacements that are 1:1 interchangeable with our current liquid fuels.
The US Navy is working on the research so that it isn't crippled by the massive cost of fuel and can produce it's fuel on location. No longer will oilers need to constantly fuel battle groups, they will instead just be large parts ships. While dedicated refinery ships making fuel all the time.
If you only do one thing today, watch this video;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8zOHZINyG8
>>63698011
54% of your budget is military spending, which can actually easily be cut at least in half.
Because most of it goes to the pockets of politicians and military-industrial complex top management anyway.
F-35 is a good example - the actual program cost estimate is about $300 billions. The remaining $1 trillion went to the Clintons, McCain, Kissinger and different Lockheed pockets.
There you go, you cut the military - you may lower the taxes by 25%.
>>63706038
The earth is finite, therefore oil is finite. Of course they can find new deposites, but that only changes the when, not the if.
You may argue will become indepent of oil before we run out. I don't know but I'd say it doesn't seem very likely seeing how the world is essentially refusing to use new technology, probably mainly because the large oil companies have to much power.
>>63706966
>discretionary
learn the word, muhammed
social security and medicare/medicaid take up most of the actual budget
>>63706467
>when?
How the hell would I know? But the oil price is destined to rise, and electric cars are destined to get cheaper, so it will happen.
>>63698011
This. I like this.
But more importantly there needs to be a law that strictly states what you can spend which taxes on.
>>63707108
Nah, it sounds just about right.
If you take the social security numbers and divide them to the number of unemployed and welfare recipients you will get a number pretty close to the real one.
>>63705864
and that is exactly what's wrong with these taxes.
Taxes aren't supposed to be a way to keep us in check.
That being said it's a completely different thing if you are a country that doesn't have any resources or you are in a country that has resources.
>>63696051
Tax everybody at 10-15%.
Done.
>>63707593
>>63707269
>Because electricity comes from lightning.
>>63707689
Yours actually doesn't matter, because it includes budget deficit and has pretty much nothing to do with taxes.
It's basically "we only have 1 trillion, but we will spend 3, by printing more money".
If you take the deficit in account you might as well abolish taxes completely and pay for everything by borrowing. At this point it doesn't really make much difference if you borrow 2 trillions or 3.
>>63707600
>Taxes aren't supposed to be a way to keep us in check
Read again.
THESE taxes are supposed to be a way to keep POLLUTION and CONSUMPTION of LIMITED resources in check, not the people. They're not meant to be so high that they would cripple anybody.
How much resources a country has is completely irrelevant here, because again... CONSUMPTION.
>>63707787
>hurr
>>63706606
Finally watched this, looks awesome. And it's good at making the point that in the end it's technology that makes the difference.
