Lets get down to it...Is Ted Cruz a natural born citizen or not?
Yes.
They wouldn't even let him run if he wasn't.
He is not.
His mother was a Canadian citizen when he was born, in Canada. She later became a US citizen when he was an infant.
But it is up to the USSC to decide, as they have done for several other candidates over the years.
>>61228774
US educational system at work m8
>They wouldn't even let him run if he wasn't.
Of f××king Canada.
>>61228774
No he is a Canuck
>>61228617
he was naturally born in canada
>>61228617
Ask if Obama is a natural born citizen
That way you know which IDs to ignore
No, he is a god damned Mexican.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clause
Anyone can run for President. You have to be a Natural Born Citizen to be elected. The US Supreme Court rules on this status if it is challenged.
Period.
>>61228617
He was born in Canada so no.
>>61228914
Obama was born in Hawaii to a mother who is a US citizen, so yes
Cruz was born in Canada to a mother who was a Canadian citizen, so no.
http://www.khou.com/story/news/2016/01/15/houston-attorney-sues-over-cruzs-eligibility-run-president/78851460/
>>61228617
When I think of the term "Natural born citizen" I don't think of someone born in another nation where only one of their parents is a citizen.
I don't know what the law but being born outside of the country definitely fucks up the "natural born" part of that designation.
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>>61228617
Fuck him.
If obama is a natural born citizenn
then so is ted cruz
>>61228617
probably but there is a real question there
it's not just a conspiracy theory
Marco Rubio is the other case this election. He was born in the US, but BOTH of his parents were citizens of other countries at the time.
His eligibility has not been challenged, but if he gets closer to becoming either a Presidential or VP candidate then it will be.
>>61229002
except obongo's father was not an american. Birthright citizenship was not the intention of the amendment, the intention was that the kid takes the fathers citizenship.
>>61228617
No, he's a naturalized citizen because he was born in a foreign country to an American mother.
To be a natural-born citizen, he would of had to have been born on U.S. soil.
This is why Obama's birth certificate was such a big issue, and why he had to prove that he was actually born in Hawaii. If he was born in Kenya, he would have been disqualified, even though his mother was an American citizen at the time.
Cruz is ineligible.
>>61229231
If apples are a fruit, than oranges are apples
good call, Canada
>>61229276
Okay, then Cruz is Cuban.
>>61228617
Nope. Gotta be born on US soil.
>mfw I'm only saying this because I want to crush someone's dreams just like mine were crushed
>>61228617
No. Natural born has ALWAYS meant on US soil regardless of the citizenship of parents. Canada is not a US territory.
>>61228736
>They wouldn't even let him run if he wasn't.
The smaller commie parties routinely run ineligible candidates, several states allow them on the ballot. This includes people underage for the office and openly-naturalized immigrants.
what if you are born UNDER the US soil, to Hollow Earth Reptilian Overlords?
Hillary '16
>>61229365
>mfw I'm only saying this because I want to crush someone's dreams just like mine were crushed
Nice blog faggot
>>61229380
>Natural born has ALWAYS meant on US soil
Not true in the slightest
>>61228617
No. He held dual citizenship from birth for most of his life.
>>61229547
>canadian
trashed
>>61228617
No he isn't
But he should be. The old definition is retarded
>>61229504
Sorry Ted, nothin personal
>>61229547
Very true in every respect. Candidates born outside of US territory have been disqualified, like Alexander Hamilton. Candidates born inside US territory have been qualified, like Goldwater and McCain.
You have to be a special kind of retarded to even question this. The fact that natural born was enforced within a decade of our nation forming proves that it does matter and has a clearly defined meaning that isn't a misinterpretation of the founding fathers' intent.
>>61229557
this anon is correct: Cruz didn't renounce his Canadian citizenship until 2014.
Cruz is another bank rolled puppet spic like all the others
Don't give a fuck what nationality he is. He isn't pure Anglo so fuck him
He's Canadian.
Just like me.
When he's president, I'm going to laugh and laugh and laugh.
You got cucked. By a maple dick.
>>61229643
How can you be this willfully ignorant? No where will you find the definition of "natural born" to mean "inside US territory"
>>61229002
Obama didn't even grow up in the US, he spent most of his childhood in the Phillipines. Why anyone would expect him to have some inborn loyalty to the US is ridiculous (which is the intention of the "native born citizen" requirement)
>>61229675
DESU only Bernie breaks the role of "bank rolled puppet".
But /pol/ apparently hates that, while hating the banks
Evidently, reddit is a greater threat than the banks.
So go figure.
>>61228617
Yes he is a natural born Canadian citizen.
>>61229643
>Candidates born outside of US territory have been disqualified, like Alexander Hamilton.
>No Person except a natural born Citizen, ***or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution,*** shall be eligible to the Office of President;
The citizen at time of adoption clause was specifically put in place so Alexander Hamilton would be eligible. None of the presidents until Martin Van Buren were "natural born" American Citizens in any sense.
>>61229793
that's what the court case that's open now will decide
no where does it say what that actually means
judges will have to use context clues and decide on a meaning
>>61228617
Jus Sanguinis
In 8 years, the way the US is going and illegal immigrant will be able to become president without having to learn the English language.
>>61229380
Which is dumb, because what if people are on vacation?
They've gotta change the law. The old legal definitions are from a different age when convenient travel wasn't possible
If someone is a citizen of a foreign country, or was raised in a foreign country, there should be a question as to their inborn loyalty to the country. Which geographical location they happened to be born in is besides the point
>>61229002
What about Washington, Adams or Jefferson.
>>61229793
Yet the founding fathers listed it in the constitution, explained it, and enforced it.
For fucks sake, you're basically acting like a literal originalist who thinks the constitution cannot be applied to anything not explicitly mentioned in it. Which I wouldn't mind to a certain extent, but you can't ignore non legal documents of the founding fathers that explain legal clauses. Lets just forget the Federalist papers even exist but still try to interpret the law!
>>61229945
In 8 years, you'll be fucking raped by Russia.
Enjoy that slavic dick
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/ted-cruz-is-not-eligible-to-be-president/ar-CCrkXb
Don't want another cuck to be president, he already threw his whole campaign when he forgot 9/11 happened.
>>61228617
He is, barely. Much like Obongo the Kenyan mudslime nigger.
>>61230056
he seems to forget a lot of things
So what if the court deems him ineligible? That would be a shitty way for Trump to win, and will probably win him the eternal ire of Cruz fans
>>61229971
Too bad, if you're pregnant and you want your kid to be President one day you better fucking sit your ass home.
2000's
Similarly in 2009 in Ankeny v. Governor [50], the Indiana Court of Appeals reaffirmed that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born Citizens”, regardless of the citizenship of their parents. The court referred to the case of Wong Kim Ark, and provides a compilation of the arguments pertaining to this topic.
A clarification to this interpretation was made in 2010, where a three-judge panel of the United States court of appeals for the Fifth Circuit held that natural born citizens can lose their citizenship if their territory of birth later ceases to become U.S. territory. The case involved a Philippine-born litigant who could not claim U.S. citizenship on the basis of his parents, who lived all their lives in the Philippines, because they were born while the Philippines was U.S. territory prior to being given its independence. The Courts for the Second, Third, and Ninth Circuits have also held that birth in the Philippines at a time when the country was a territory of the United States does not constitute birth "in the United States" under the Citizenship Clause, and thus did not give rise to United States citizenship.[51] It is also important to consult court cases that distinguish "incorporated" U.S. territory (the states and territories that were to become states), as "U.S. soil", from "unincorporated" U.S. territory (Puerto Rico, Guam), or leaseholds (Panama Canal Zone, Guantanamo).
>>61229855
Alexander Hamilton became a citizen at the time the constitution was ratified, but he's the one who explained the purpose of natural born because had this exception not been made, he would not have been qualified to run. He was not born in US territory and thus was not natural born bar the exception made. This exception hardly exempts Cruz. He was born in Canada. He is not natural born.
The exception had to be made or else the US couldn't have a President until 1822 at the earliest.
>>61230188
that's not something Trump discovered
that's been a question since 2014 (well before) when he did the paperwork to withdraw his Canadian citizenship
that he didn't know he had it til a reporter pointed it out to him
>>61229263
so he's an anchor baby?
>>61230256
Cruz IS NOT a natural born citizen and cannot be president
cruzbots B T F O
>>61230329
Geez, he's a lawyer. He didn't know he had Canadian citizenship???
>>61230287
What about Jus Sanguinis?
>>61228617
Yes
Buy knowing dems they do everything in their power to say he isn't and destroy him in if he gets the nomination.
It wouldn't be beyond them to do some corrupt shit to screw him over
>>61230413
that's what he claims
>>61230026
>What about Washington, Adams or Jefferson.
Are you retarded? They were all born in this country.
>>61230287
>This exception hardly exempts Cruz.
Didn't say it did, just that it was made to exempt Hamilton.
>>61228617
It's young enough for me to not give a shit about it.
If he was born in another country and was raised at LEAST a couple years and more likely for most of his childhood, I'd say it doesn't count even if both parents are american citizens.
>>61230035
A natural born citizen is one who is born to 2 citizens
Not merely born in the territory, not with one american parent.
How can one have any loyalty to the country if you are a mongrel?
Citizenship is supposed to be determined through the father too.
>>61230517
>If he was born in another country and was raised at LEAST a couple years
he lived in Canada his first 4 years
>>61230427
That would be dumb. If you aren't born in the US, you're less likely to be attached to the country. You'll have friends, family, and a cultural background that isn't American. I definitely think we should expand the citizenship clause to forbid US "citizens" who mostly live abroad. We can't have a head of state with foreign allegiance.
>>61230476
Nope. It didn't exist sperg.
>>61230535
His mother's citizenship is also in question as well. Word is she denounced her US citizenship.
>>61230602
I lived in Germany for my first four years. Am I being cucked by Arabs?
No, I'm being cucked by baby dicked Asians
>>61230681
Cruz is 45... so that means 1970 Vietnam era...mom confirmed for hippy scum who fled to Canada and renounced US citizenship
>>61230629
It may be dumb to you but it is relevant.
>>61230486
It was made to exempt every American at the time. The fact such an exemption was even made proves the intent of natural born.
>>61230535
Natural born never meant this. For a period of five years, a law extended natural born status to children born anywhere in the world whose fathers were US citizens. Current laws allow foreign born children of US citizens automatic citizenship but not natural born status.
>In any event, the fact that someone is a natural born citizen pursuant to a statute does not necessarily imply that he or she is such a citizen for Constitutional purposes.
Just because there's no official constitutional interpretation doesn't mean natural born is undefined. The status clearly referred to people not born in the US, hence the exception for the first American citizens who could not have been born in America at the time our constitution was ratified.
>>61230648
The colonies became the country, but whatever, you just want to argue bullshit anyways.
>>61230908
“The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”
This is what they meant by Natural Born Citizen
>>61228617
Need to see the full, original longform of his mothers Oath of Citizenship to Canada. When she took it, she renounced all other citizenships.
Nobody has yet posted the exact date she took that Oath. If it was before Rafael fell out of her anus, then he's no citizen of the U.S. under any circumstances.
Also, the fact that he claimed duel citizenship all his life disqualifies him. Nobody gets to sit in the Whitehouse (and ahouldn;t be allowed to sit in our Congress if they held any citizenship other than American.
I MIGHT be persuaded to allow some cases (for Congress only) where they have held only a U.S. citizenship for a minimum of 30 years prior to declaring their candidacy.
>>61230459
If you say it like that it puts people who claimed Obama was ineligible in a bad light, no?
>Supreme court rule's he's ineligible
>Suddenly a huge percentage of republican voters unaffiliated
>FBI arrests Hillary Clinton
>huge percentage of democrat voters unaffiliated
>Rand Paul is shown as the voice of reason among lunatics
>Rand Paul wins the election
>born in canuckia
No. What kind of stupid question is that?
>>61231262
Cool fanfiction.
Cruz for President AND PM of Canada. Make North America great again. Except Mexico.
>>61228617
Lets get down to the more important issue, cause I don't care if he's eligible or not.
Do you want someone born in Canada running our country?
Canada, anon, Canada.
>>61230940
Meh. I just enjoy the debates. Lots of good insight to be had with you fags here.
>>61228617
It all depends on if his mother was a US citizen at the time of his birth. If she was, he's a natural born citizen.
>>61230648
You're a retard and should never ever post again.
It was a country, not an independent country. You fucking mongoloid, by your logic none of the commonwealth countries are actual countries.
>>61228952
Please tell me this is decided before the general election goes underway, otherwise....
>cruz versus clinton/sanders
>cruz wins
>supreme court waves the stinky pinky at cruz saying HOL UP
>clinton/sanders wins
Panic.
>>61230026
Dude, Europeans has been living in the Americas for about 300 years before Washington and his bros rolled into town.
>George W. Romney was born in Mexico to Mexican parents living in theMormon colonies in Mexico; events during theMexican Revolutionforced his family to flee back to the United States when he was a child.
George Romney was a Mexican and a refugee. America re-elected a nigger instead of electing our first Mexican POTUS.
>>61232684
>America re-elected a nigger instead of electing our first Mexican POTUS.
>Tfw we will never get a blue blooded AMERICAN BORN IN AMERICA as potus
>>61228617
Why didn't the FLAMING GALAHS who wrote your constitution actually say on the record how they meant things like this to be interpreted?
Weren't there debates and shit about each of the clauses?
Wasn't someone there taking notes? It was only 200 years ago, not 2000.
>>61232159
Cruz wins, the electoral college elects him, he is found to be ineligible, his VP become president, not Clinton or Sanders.
DECLARATORY
JUDGEMENT
>>61231072
This. It's just so simple and obvious, too. The only reason have a problem with it is because it's sexist and nobody wants to admit to sexism existing in our Constitution.
That's really it. It's political correctness, Constitution style.
>>61229263
>>61230347
Were his parents legally documented immigrants? I.e. green card or whatever?
>>61233048
>Why didn't the FLAMING GALAHS who wrote your constitution actually say on the record how they meant things like this to be interpreted?
Because everybody 200 years ago understood what it meant.
The constitution took the "natural born citizenship" definition from the law of nations written by by Emerich de Vattel.
I don't know if this has been succinctly answered yet, but here's how it works:
A natural-born citizien is
>A citizen of the USA
>Who got that citizenship at the moment of birth, and did not have to go through a naturalization process
The circumstances of his birth are irrelevant, outside of whether or not he was given US citizenship at the moment of birth. He was, so he is a natural-born citizen.
>>61235787
Reading through the thread, I can see that there's a common misunderstanding.
>People born on US soil are natural-born US citizens (true)
>Thus, people who aren't born on US soil are not natural-born US citizens (false)
There are different ways to have been born a US citizen, like Cruz was. Here's a Harvard Law Review article on it.
http://harvardlawreview.org/2015/03/on-the-meaning-of-natural-born-citizen/
>>61235947
And here's a con law professor's article on why that article is bullshit.
We can go round and round like this forever. The weight is on the side of he's not a natural born citizen.
And you know what? What happened to being conservative? Does the word mean nothing anymore? To err on the side of caution is conservative. It's practically the backbone of the concept.
This issue is not settled by any means, and Cruz is a risk. This ought to be the end of the discussion in the Republican Party, of all places.
>>61236473
Forgot the article.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ted-cruz-is-not-eligible-to-be-president/2016/01/12/1484a7d0-b7af-11e5-99f3-184bc379b12d_story.html
>>61236473
>The weight is on the side of he's not a natural born citizen.
There actually isn't any argument in the law community as to whether or not he's a natural-born citizen, since the definition of the term has never been contentious. I get that you want to shill for your candidate of choice, but you should really pick your battles.
>We should disqualify candidates based on the alternate definitions of words, tea leaves, and star signs. That's the conservative thing to do.
If you don't want to vote for Cruz, you don't have to. Pretending that his candidacy in ineligible is just silly.
>>61236605
No, you fucking marble mouthed budget German. You aren't allowed to just hand-wave the concerns about Cruz's eligibility that are being spoken by several constitutional experts in our country. We even have a sitting Supreme Court Justice -- a conservative icon, I might add -- on record in an official judicial opinion saying that people born outside of the jurisdiction of the U.S. are "aliens to our Constitution." We have precedents like Montana v. Kennedy, Rogers v. Bellei, Dred Scott, Wong Kim Ark, Minor v. Hapersett, that weight heavily against the idea that we ever as a nation considered "natural born citizen" to include someone born in a foreign nation to an alien father and a citizen mother. That is a novel idea. It is not our tradition, and it wasn't the common law either, either under Vatel, or Blackstone. Read his commentary on citizenship.
Ted Cruz is not a natural born citizen. And frankly, I'm sick of you shills shitting on our Constitution in this way and trying to devalue American citizenship.
Cruz is a fucking alien
>>61228617
>Is Ted Cruz a natural born citizen or not?
It depends on whether or not he's about to stump the trump ;)
If his poll numbers drop and he loses Iowa, then he's a natural born citizen and a viable candidate for Trump's VP spot :^)
>>61236954
>Montana v. Kennedy
Was about whether or not a specific child could be granted citizenship. Cruz already was granted citizenship at birth, so this doesn't really apply - the """"question"""" here is whether or not Cruz's citizenship, granted him at birth, qualifies him as a natural-born citizen, not whether or not Cruz is allowed to be a citizen of the US (which hopefully you don't intend to debate).
>Rogers v. Bellei
>challenges the constitutionality of § 301(b) of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, which provides that one who acquires United States citizenship by virtue of having been born abroad to parents, one of whom is an American citizen, who has met certain residence requirements, shall lose his citizenship unless he resides in this country continuously for five years between the ages of 14 and 28.
What does this have to do with Cruz's situation? The supreme court even stated in this case that:
>Section 301(a) of the Act, 8 U.S.C. § 1401(a), defines those persons who "shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth." Paragraph (7) of § 301(a) includes in that definition a person born abroad "of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States" who has met specified conditions of residence in this country.
Are you just listing random names and sticking "v." in the middle? I'm not even going to bother looking at the rest of those. There is literally zero credible argument from anyone with the slightest of inclination towards law as to why Cruz would be ineligible. You're just being silly.
>>61237404
>Was about whether or not a specific child could be granted citizenship. Cruz already was granted citizenship at birth, so this doesn't really apply the """"question"""" here is whether or not Cruz's citizenship, granted him at birth, qualifies him as a natural-born citizen, not whether or not Cruz is allowed to be a citizen of the US (which hopefully you don't intend to debate).
Absolutely wrong. it applies because the case demonstrates that at common law a child born to an alien father and a citizen mother outside American jurisdiction is not considered a natural born citizen. Otherwise Montana would not have been declared a non-citizen, because common law would have recognized his natural born citizen status. That weighs against Cruz. It demonstrates that he is only a citizen because he was naturalized by an act of Congress. Congress only has power over citizenship via their naturalization power in Article 1. That is the only way Congress can draft citizenship laws, and therefore the only way citizens can be made under such laws is through naturalization. Naturalization is not the same as natural born citizenship we know through a series of opinions I have already cited.
>What does this have to do with Cruz's situation?
You are dwelling on the Court's statutory analysis. Don't bother, it's unnecessary for you to do. Bellei demonstrates merely the application of the jurisprudence established by Montana via the 1952 Act which Cruz was born under. It shows the court sticking with Montana's implication through the law that touches Cruz. Again, this weighs against Cruz.
>Are you just listing random names and sticking "v." in the middle?
Not at all. Educate yourself.
>I'm not even going to bother looking at the rest of those.
Then we're done here. You are not qualified to be in this conversation.
Try again when you're informed yourself enough to be qualified.
>>61237766
>Absolutely wrong. it applies because the case demonstrates that at common law a child born to an alien father and a citizen mother outside American jurisdiction is not considered a natural born citizen.
Actually, it was about whether or not that kid would be granted US citizenship at all. He wasn't, Cruz was. If the kid had been granted US citizenship in this case, he would also have been retroactively treated as 'natural-born', but he wasn't 'natural-born' because he wasn't a US citizen.
Since you haven't read the things you're listing, I won't either. If you won't put in the effort to produce a credible argument, I'm not going to squander my time. Here's something you can read about yourself: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
>>61233132
Cruz did offer trump vp during the debate
He shouldn't be, but with the power of Jewish loop-holes, anything is possible
>>61237944
>Actually, it was about whether or not that kid would be granted US citizenship at all.
Now you're just obfuscating. That is beside the point. The point is that absent the statutory authority to naturalize Montana, the Court was forced to conclude that Montana was not a citizen of any kind. This is meaningful because it shows that without Congress, a child born in Cruz's circumstances will not be considered a citizen, of any sort, natural born or otherwise. But since Congress can only naturalize people, and cannot bestow natural born citizen status (we know this from the other cases I cited) that means Cruz is a naturalized citizen, and not a natural born citizen. Calm down, take a breath, consider my points, and you'll see I'm right.
>He wasn't, Cruz was.
Yes, via a naturalization law. Ted Cruz is a naturalized citizen, not a natural born citizen. Read the article I posted above.
>If the kid had been granted US citizenship in this case, he would also have been retroactively treated as 'natural-born'
Not at all. He would have been considered a naturalized citizen, like Cruz.
>Since you haven't read the things you're listing,
Don't play that game, pussy. You don't know what you're talking about and it shows. We can do this if you want, but you will lose.
>If you won't put in the effort to produce a credible argument, I'm not going to squander my time.
See ya later pal. Don't let me catch you making shit arguments about our Constitution again.
>>61229276
Except it is not interpreted that way and will never be that way. It only said that at least one parent has to be an American, not the father.
>>61238190
>a child born in Cruz's circumstances will not be considered a citizen
Which is clearly not the case, considering that he was granted US citizenship at the point of birth, did not undergo a naturalization process, and is thus a natural-born citizen.
>B-but he was naturalized at the point of birth!
So is literally everyone else who is a 'natural-born' citizen if you care to split hairs that way, hence the term.
>Was Cruz granted US citizenship at the point of birth, without undergoing a naturalization process?
>Yes, thus he is a natural-born citizen.
>O-off you go!
Wishful thinking.
Canadians ruin everything
>>61238396
>Which is clearly not the case
No, it clearly is the case, and both Montana and Bellei demonstrate. Without statutory authority, children born in foreign countries to citizen mothers and alien fathers are not considered citizens, natural born or otherwise. Therefore, Congress has to correct what nature did not do and naturalize (get it yet, dummy?) that child at birth. Ted Cruz is only a citizen because he was naturalized by a law that Congress passed. He was never conferred natural born citizenship status because Congress simply does not have the power to confer such a status. They ONLY have the power of naturalization. Read Article I, Sec. 8 of our Constitution and stop making a damn fool of yourself.
>considering that he was granted US citizenship at the point of birth, did not undergo a naturalization process
What is this "naturalization process" bullshit? Where the fuck did you pick that nonsense up? The process is whatever Congress decides it is. Whether it's birth, or a residency requirement (which Cruz had to fulfill to keep his citizenship, btw) or any other process, it's decided by Congress. It can be small and unnoticeable, or heavy and burdensome. Or non-existent. There's no requirement to have any process at all to naturalize, the Constitution neither states or implies one.
>So is literally everyone else who is a 'natural-born' citizen if you care to split hairs that way, hence the term.
Not at all. If you read the other cases I cited, they demonstrate that it was understood that at common law children born in country to citizen parents were considered natural born citizens without any need for statutory distribution of that status. That's what common law IS.
>Wishful thinking.
Hey, no skin off my back if you want to get schooled some more.
>>61228617
1 Cruz = .69 American
>>61238676
>Therefore, Congress has to correct what nature did not do and naturalize (get it yet, dummy?) that child at birth.
>And the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond the sea, or out of the limits of the United States. shall be considered as natural-born citizens: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States.
>What is this "naturalization process" bullshit?
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=naturalization
>>61239086
First of all, if you finally stopped being a complete retard and read the article I cited, you'd know why the 1790 law doesn't help you:
>Third, Katyal and Clement put much weight on the first U.S. naturalization statute, enacted in 1790. Because it contains the phrase “natural born,” they infer that such citizens must include children born abroad to American parents. The first Congress, however, had no such intent. The debates on the matter reveal that the congressmen were aware that such children were not citizens and had to be naturalized; hence, Congress enacted a statute to provide for them. Moreover, that statute did not say the children were natural born, only that they should “be considered as” such. Finally, as soon as Madison, then a member of Congress, was assigned to redraft the statute in 1795, he deleted the phrase “natural born,” and it has never reappeared in a naturalization statute.
Secondly, google is not in our Constitution, sorry. Read Art I., Sec. 8. The naturalization power delegated to Congress does not, expressly or implicitly, require any sort of "process" to be attached to naturalization. That's a fact. And you're venturing into crazy person land by denying it.
>>61239192
>The naturalization power delegated to Congress does not, expressly or implicitly, require any sort of "process" to be attached to naturalization
That's just nitpicking. I don't really see what point you're trying to make here.
In any case, I still don't see you making any credible argument against Cruz being a natural-born citizen. Would you care to make one, or are we done?
>>61239308
It's not nitpicking. You brought up a "naturalization process" as if it's in any way whatsoever related to Congress' naturalization power or how natural born citizenship gets conferred. It unequivocally does not.
If you're done making points, so am I. I don't care about convincing you. You're not even an American. I'll let anons decide which side is more persuasive. But I won't let you make shit arguments unanswered.
>>61239423
>But I won't let you make shit arguments unanswered
You haven't answered, though, outside of just spamming the thread with irrelevant links and names. If you were just trying to argue for a bit online, congratulations, you've epic trolled me into squandering a portion of this last half-hour. That's about all it's amounted to.
>>61239533
Obviously I answered them because I shut your whole shit down.
>>61239583
>Cruz is a natural-born citizen because he was granted citizenship at birth without being naturalized
You haven't discredited this at all, regardless of what you think posting a million unrelated cases achieved. I went through them, and there's really no precedent set within them which invalidates the above point. If you're done wasting time, I have other things I could be doing.
all of you are making this way too complicated.
The question, mainly when posed in front of the dumb masses will be as simple as this:
Was Ted Cruz born on US soil?
>>61239693
Nope. Still wrong. I've destroyed that position entirely. I cited the cases and then explained them and how they are relevant. One need only read the thread. Montana, Bellei destroy the idea that Cruz is a natural born citizen. Happersett, Wong Kim Ark, demonstrate the distinction between NBC and naturalization. Dred Scott outright says if you ain't born here you ain't any NBC. That's the case law on the matter. To support your claim that Cruz is an NBC... there's nothing. Except an article that has been debunked by a subsequent, better researched article.
Now go play in your windmill or make some wooden shoes or whatever the fuck it is you have to do, faggot.
>>61239829
You're probably right about this, but establishing the truth is still important.
>>61239902
You don't care about the truth. All you've been doing is tearing at our Constitution, probably because you hate America and just want to troll us.
>>61239935
>You're only making correct arguments because you hate truth and America!
ok
>>61239998
Subtract the word "correct" because they've been proven not to be, and yes. Which is par for the course for Eurocucks.
>>61239423
Anon here. Ameribro's argument is definitely more persuasive, actually citing court decisions and excerpts from our Constitution.
Dutchbro confirmed for massive faggot.
>>61240070
Well, at least you've finally outed yourself as le epic trick man. Someone might have actually fallen for your crap.
>>61230648
He was born in the territory that later became the US. I'd imagine that if the title 'natural-born' were not given to residents of British America, then there would have been a serious issue of there being no eligible presidents.
Natural born was a clause to minimize divided loyalties.
Cruz had a canadian citizenship by birth, hence anyone who understands the intent of the clause would understand he is not eligible.
The fact his father was a communist makes it worse.
>Friendly Reminder not one single president since America's inception has EVER been born outside of U.S. soil
>Friendly reminder Ted Cruz didn't move to the U.S.A. until he was 5 years old
>Friendly reminder Ted Cruz didn't officially get rid of his Dual Canadian citizenship until 2013
He literally violates the Natural-Born Citizen clause in every way possible.
Republicucks dogged Obama so hard on this but one of their frontrunners is literally the definition of everything they were trying to take down 4 years ago.
Pathetic
Oh yeah, and if the Supreme Court does get involved, Cruz is definitely fudged. Still suitable VP though.
If he is then so am I
Not joking, I could run for President if Cruz turns out to be eligible
>>61229729
How high are you right now?
>>61228617
No.
