>The weirdest star in the cosmos just got a lot weirder. And yes, it might be aliens.
>Known as KIC 8462852, or Tabby’s star, it has been baffling astronomers for the past few months after a team of researchers noticed its light seemed to be dipping in brightness in bizarre ways. Proposed explanations ranged from a cloud of comets to orbiting “alien megastructures”.
>Now an analysis of historical observations reveals the star has been gradually dimming for over a century, leaving everyone scratching their heads as to the cause.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn28786-comets-cant-explain-weird-alien-megastructure-star-after-all/
>nobody knows why that star keeps dimming
>therefore it must be aliens
FERMI PARADOAYYLAMO
>>61161444
As far as I remember, it's dimming as if something huge blocked it's light. It's not gradually becoming less bright but it's being gradually blocked more.
>star is dimming
>it's AYYLMAOS!!!!
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>>61161635
So a black hole got in the way. This doesn't mean ay lmaos.
>>61160574
It is most likely some kind of massive sunspot.
>>61160574
Not saying it's ayy lmaos, but it's ayy lmaos.
Even if it was ayy lmaos, would that be so surprising? knowing how vast the universe is, believing we are the only special snowflakes in this vastness just proves how retarded everyone is.
In science the answer to the most difficult question is usually the simplest answer, and they are trying too hard with the comet bullshit
>>61160574
>there is something I don't understand
>IT MUST BE AYYLMAOS
the God of the gaps has become the AYYLMAO of gaps
>>61160574
i am a physicist and can confrim that ayylmaos are the most logical explaination
THEY KNOW WE'RE WATCHING THEM
THEY'RE CHARGING THEIR LAZER WITH STAR POWER
DYSON SPHERE
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>>61161793
Yep, but we will never know because the shitskins and niggers will have invaded Europe and we'll be sent back to really dark times.
>>61161635
So... Dyson sphere?
The laws of physics tend to break apart in many parts of the universe, especially if they're really far away
>>61161768
But this is actual science with actual scientists
>>61162046
This isn't politics though
It's a fucking
do you really believe NASA's sci-fi bullshit?
>>61161768
This one is /pol/ worthy though.
>>61162002
Did you read the article? They say that every explanation so far has holes in it. They simply have no idea what is causing it to dim. They did say, however, that many natural explanations have been ruled out.
>>61160574
Does ayylmaos filter into ayy lmao?
>>61162008
Yeah, but shouldn't it be isotropic in thoose regions at the very least?
Why is this an isolated incident?
>>61161793
Everyone that has reached ufos for some time agrees that ufos are spiritual/demonic, that the description of them matches perfectly with ancient and medieval accounts of spirits/demons, including the "alien abduction" accounts which resemble demonic obsession/possession.
Great. All we need.
"Oh, their sun is dying, you have to let them in you racist!"
>>61162065
>tfw no alien gf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gHUwWGD-_Q
>>61160574
Ai-chan is love, Ai-chan is live.
Alien waifus by October.
Remember to pay your respects to Ai-chan if you want her people to come here.
>>61162219
>Ancient people with limited technological understanding said it was demons, therefore aliums is demons
Pre-aristoteleans also thought the world was flat among other stupid shit.
Since when did obsolescence become authority?
>aliens notice we've spotted them
>decide to destroy us
Aliens are the master race. They need to colonize earth and enslave m*nkind.
>gradually getting more blocked
>implying it's not a massive doomsday weapon heading at us
Reptilians have taken over and infiltrated every level of human society (including our governments) for many thousands of years. The reason they've gotten away with it for so long is that they can assume a human form. They don't come from another physical planet per se, but from another band of frequency that vibrates very closely to this one (which enables them to flit back and forth from their dimension to ours).
Credo Mutwa called this frequency band/dimension 'the heaven between heavens'.
Their 'food' is our fear, our hatred, our suffering, our anger and our despair.
Shifting into a human form and entering into our dimension takes a lot of energy for them, so they can't stay here for long unless they possess the body of a human who is in vibrational resonance with them.
These humans are of a hybrid nature, their DNA is different from ours in that it is compatible with the reptilians (which is what allows them to be possessed). These humans are your kings, your banking dynasties (like the Rothschilds, for example), your presidents, etc. They have certain traits in common, like a lack of empathy, an obsession with being in control, lack of imagination, etc.
Oh, and they love lolis and gold.
These reptiles are pedophiles.
>>61162332
So, are we going to meme ayy lmoa into real life now?
I LOVE YOU AI-CHAN!
>>61162332
Holy fuck I drew that.
Never thought it was still around since the last KIC hype
>>61162444
Except that ancient peoples actually learned how to communicate with these things. They were taught how to summon them ceremonially/ritually, and how to get favours from them by offering them sacrifice. They were in communication with them.
but
>hurr our ancient ancestors were all dumb
The idea that these things are organic creatures from a trillion light years away that have come on rocket ships and all they do is float around and spook people is the dumbest shit I've ever heard. People are only able to believe it because of sci-fi films and books.
>>61162521
Yes.
Don't you want an alien waifu, anon?
I LOVE YOU AI-CHAN
>>61162207
Because it is surrounded by some huge fuckin structure distorting the light and gravity.
The explanations so far - meteorite belt, a huge planet, unknown anomaly and shit.
But so far everything points to a Dyson Sphere.
>>61162583
I saved it and I was the one in the /sci/ thread who suggest making Ai-chan's appearance be based on Maetel.
>>61162065
a fuck it
>would
>>61161908
It's probably just a dust cloud drifting in front of the star.
Can suns fart?
>>61162664
Hah! Great.
Thinking about it, though, Ai-chan isn't exactly an Ayylien, or Ayylien related.
And, if I remember the thread correctly, she was meant to be veiled to symbolize the doubt and the mistery surrounding the star.
ALL HAIL AYY LMAO-CHAN!!
>>61162907
I think they said earlier that a dust cloud wouldn't be enough to block out the star's light that much.
>>61162592
>Except that ancient peoples actually learned how to communicate with these things.
Except you're completely wrong, and I've learned how to communicate with demons as well.
In fact, I'm snap chatting with several demons as I write this right now, and they said you're a dumb faggot who takes the words of sheep fuckers. Because claiming those strange lights are magical makes far more sense than any other explanation.
Time to get an ayylmao gf
>>61162633
I think you misunderstood my point.
>>61160574
If its lmaos, then this is big.
If its anything else, its also big. Nobody knows what is causing this, it could be entirely new phenomenon that could radically alter our view of the universe.
Or it could be nothing at all.
>>61162630
>>61161768
You guys realise threads on religion belong in /x/ way more than threads to do with science.
>mfw aliens exist
>>61162633
Top Keck
>>61163089
>threads to do with science
>Demons
>>>/x/
>>61162975
Then they're full of shit to begin with. A dense cloud of dust is more than enough to block out the light of a star that is light years distant.
>>61160574
Pls be Ailamos.
>>61163129
Not our fault same faggot came in here and started spouting his dumb religious bullshit.
>>61163026
How is saying that they are spirits the same as saying they are magical?
All societies all over the world at all times have acknowledged the existence of spirits, and of wicked spirits. Our society is practically the only exception.
>Alien come
>they are ancient Chinese
It's 1400ly away. Meaning, even trying to communicate with aliens there would take 2800 years. Traveling there at the speed of light would take 1400 years. Except we can't travel that fast and won't ever be able to. The power required to travel even half the speed of light is about as much as a 1GW nuclear reactor running at 100% efficiency for 350 years. And then you'll need to same amount of power to stop the spacecraft. If you think time dilation solves the problem of time, think again. You'll need to travel upwards of 3/4 the speed of light for any significant time dilation effects that would make it possible for people to reach the planet in their lifetime. So, you'd need exponentially more power. And even then it will still be 5000 years later on Earth and everyone will have forgotten about you.
>>61163339
>exponentially
ya blew it
>>61163411
>he doesnt understand energy theorems
>>61161444
There's apparently somethings blocking the star's light. If course, if you look at the sky you'll see the stars flicker due to particles in the atmosphere blocking their light. There could be something blocking the light anywhere on the lightyears of distance between us and the star. Possibly a very slow moving mass out in deep space?
>>61163339
Why don't we just use the warp when the god emperor (trump) climbs on his throne and makes it possible? We'd be there in weeks.
>>61163282
Our society also happens to be one capable of space travel and has established at the very least that canned meat balls hurdling through the vacuum of space is at least plausible considering we've taken steps at accomplishing it ourselves.
Frankly, I'm not against spiritualality. I think it's a beautiful thing and more people should endorse it. But your assertion that aliums is demons is fucking stupid, as are your assertions that these ancient people aren't wrong or lying. There's no real evidence outside of flawed testamony.
>>61163652
I'm assuming that whatever they're obsering is periodic and therefore orbiting the star.
>>61160574
>What about those alien megastructures? Schafer is unconvinced. “The alien-megastructure idea runs wrong with my new observations,” he says, as he thinks even advanced aliens wouldn’t be able to build something capable of covering a fifth of a star in just a century. What’s more, such an object should radiate light absorbed from the star as heat, but the infrared signal from Tabby’s star appears normal, he says.
>>61163337
>Alien come
>they're all niggers
>>61163806
time travel or extradimensional travel is more likely than space travel
or ancient aliens, demons and fairies are just a really old meme
>>61160574
FUCK YEA DYSON SPHERE
>>61162765
>>61162765
>>61162765
>Sentient swarms of bimolecular particles from KIC 8462852 drift into Earth's atmosphere, attracted by peculiar radio frequencies they had sensed
>Observe Earthlings for the first time ever and witness
>War
>Oppression
>Torture
>Religion
>Racism
>Crime
>Corruption
>Rape
>Murder
>Pedophilia
>Pornography
>Greed
>Nationalism
>Bullying
>Homophobia
>Sexism
>Classism
>Poverty
>Pollution
>Self-mutilation
>Suicide
>Leave immediately
>Quarantine the planet
>Return to homeworld via stabilized wormhole
>Continue to harvest 80% net resources from their host star
>We never really meet them
>>61160574
Do ay lmaos hate jews too?
Will they take in syrian refugees?
>>61163661
Warping the universe around you so that point B comes closer to point A where you are requires more energy than moving yourself from point A to point B in that universe.
>>61163099
How the fuck could they not? If life could form on this shitty planet under the conditions this planet has, and if the universe is literally just throwing pennies at a wall and seeing what comes up heads, it makes sense that eventually there would be another "Earth" in a similar orbit around a similar star with similar atmospheric and moisture conditions.
Everything is chaos in this universe. It is just pure chaos and random chance. Our lives are fairly ordered (or, at least to our perspective they are) so we don't see it. But it's true.
Or alternatively, is it chaos? Or does it just look like chaos? Can we trust our perspectives? Are we just applying an interpretation of order onto things that are inherently chaotic? Are we biased because we have sentience?
I hate this reality anyway.
>>61164330
>implying nationalism is a bad thing
You're the type of people that let Cologne happen
>>61162237
underrated post
>>61162332
why not Ayy-chan?
>>61161635
>yfw it's picrelated and it will find earth after we send a probe
>>61163944
>as he thinks even advanced aliens wouldn’t be able to build something capable of covering a fifth of a star in just a century
And why not exactly? If they are 'advanced' we can't even speculate what kind of technogy they invented.
>>61164470
It was a warhammer 40k reference but I get what you're saying.
>>61164494
you're the type of people that let *insert any genocide from the last 800 years* happen
>>61162002
>>61162765
Damn that was good. Saved.
>>61164330
I'm sure all intelligent life goes through several periods. We're just going through the early formation of our species, really. We're still very much in the opening stages when you consider the vast cosmic theatre that is playing. 100,000 years is nothing -- to the universe it's a blink of an eye. And even after all that time, we're still only at the "fairly barbaric" stage. We're not unified. We haven't solved problems for our species. We don't have space travel. We haven't solved the energy problem. We need a pressing solution for over population. We need to re-acquaint ourselves with eugenics... using science for the betterment of the whole species. That last one is particularly a squeamish subject for us right now, especially politically.
So an alien race passing us by might understand this, and instead of just shunning us as an immutable fuck-up, they may observe us to gain a better understanding of early sentient species development. Like anthropologists.
aliens?
you're in /pol/, jews are more likely responsible
AYYYYYY
>>61164712
>the modern, political theory of nationalism
>existing for 800 years
Son please. Thats tribalism, savagery and later imperialism. Nationalism formed in opposition to that. A nation must be for its people, it cannot exist because of a monarchy, a religion or an empire. That is the basic tenant of nationalism.
But you wouldnt know about any of that because you just spout shit you hear on tv.
>>61161731
god and to think i used to buy into the japanese people are smart meme
do some research before typing shit
>>61163129
RELIGION BELONGS TO >>>/x/ FUCKING SHILLs
>>61164699
Abusing natural warping of the universe to get from A to B is beyond our means both resource and intellectual wise.
mebby it is jizzus' nutsack and he has a ballsack tumor
>Ayy lmaos comes to Earth
>The first thing they ask is "Why haven't you exterminated your inferior sub-species"
>Liberals BTFO forever.
>>61164852
>autoexec HITLER_DINDU_NUFFIN.BAT
>>61163099
>ourfw we aliens exist and we realise we're the niggers of the galaxy
>>61163944
>we can't do it therefore ayy lmao cant
>>61164564
Because Ai means love and aliens are love.
>>61165019
Let me guess, you blame socialism for what Hitler did too, it was just as an important part of national socialism as nationalism.
Do you also blame darwin? Nietzsche? They all influenced national socialism as well.
Nationalism existed long before Hitler seiged his first heil you ignorant fucking Russkie.
>>61164477
We exist in a low entropy world as a fluctuation within a higher entropy universe. Even in a near-equilibrium state, there will be stochastic fluctuations in the level of entropy. The most common fluctuations will be relatively small, resulting in only small amounts of organization, while larger fluctuations and their resulting greater levels of organization will be comparatively more rare. Large fluctuations would be almost inconceivably rare, but are made possible by the enormous size of the Universe and by the idea that if we are the results of a fluctuation, there is a "selection bias": we observe this very unlikely Universe because the unlikely conditions are necessary for us to be here, an expression of the anthropic principle.
If our current level of organization, having many self-aware entities, is a result of a random fluctuation, it is much less likely than a level of organization which only creates stand-alone self-aware entities. For every universe with the level of organization we see, there should be an enormous number of lone brains floating around in unorganized environments. In an infinite universe, the number of self-aware brains that spontaneously and randomly form out of the chaos, complete with memories of a life like ours, should vastly outnumber the brains evolved from an inconceivably rare local fluctuation the size of the observable Universe.
In all likelihood, you are not even reading this anonymous message board. You're simply a self aware observer that spontaneously appeared in the depths of the void, 'experiencing' a memory, all your memories in an instant, before your spark fizzles out at quickly as it appeared.
>>61164712
Communism commited genocides far worse than any of these "genocides" that supposedly took place for the last 800 years
>>61162065
>tfw no qt xenofu
>>61164950
That's just plain heresy. You must be purged.
>>61162485
trying to empathise with superior races and minds is difficult
i expect if they exist they are so powerful they could eliminate us at any moment, and also that they are protected from anything we could do to them - for now
they would easily be able to monitor our development and see what we're capable of releasing from our atmosphere. they'd have a general idea of how far away we are from developing something that might be a problem to them.
by the time we're a problem to them they can contact us and say don't be a problem or we will make you disappear
what do we do then? fight? it'd be lunacy, we'd accept we won't be a problem and then try and learn what we're allowed to learn
>>61160574
How crazy would it be if the gods of religions came back down from the sky. Everyone btfo
>>61165210
So the universe we inhabit sometimes even "breaks down" itself and fucks up and produces order when it shouldn't.
Heh. Chaos to a T.
>>61165146
Socialism is an ideology concerning strictly the inner workings of a country. Nationalism can't exist without a war machine.
And no, I don't blame Darwin, a fucking monkey zoologist, for Nazi genocides!
>>61160574
The Nephilim are returning! They will take our women!
>how many you want? take some more, pls
Anyone rule out seasons yet? Could just be dimming during the winters
>>61165273
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>>61162065
Emperor damn these heretics ITT
>>61163991
we'll be fine
>>61160574
>10/10 on KIC 8462852
>>61165455
its been progressively getting dimmer/more covered for over 100 years
could it be that it's a new way of sun death/life cycle we havnt yet seen? although it'd be the first and incredibley rare, there's always anomalies and in a big enough universe you're going to see some unexpected shit happen like a sun going out slowly like a lamp
>>61165210
I reject your proposal on the grounds that life is replicative and as a result, non-stochastic. Furthermore, you fail to address the difference between true intelligence and the qualia that gives rise to thought, memory and experience.
Any stochastic intelligence that naturally forms will not necessarily have the sensory abilities necessary to gather relevant information and furthermore the means to propagate information beyond itself.
Thus your proposal re: stochastic natural intelligences somewhat misses the point. "Artificial" living intelligences may be limited by the filter of biological limitations, but will rapidly increase in numbers and will be equipped with the sensory and mechanical faculties necessary for knowledge propagation.
What good is intelligence if your brain is empty?
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>>61165351
Dont worry about this terragoy
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>>61162485
the only problem with this. 1:most intelligent creatures in the universe are going to be bipedal huminoids with short necks, and large craniums.2: is that I doubt any species in the galaxy could become a top tier intelligent predator capable of making fire without learning to befriend one another and having developed sense for emotion. As on our planet all intelligent creatures are also very emotional. 3: on earth, our enemies have become worth more alive in terms of potential trade and human labor than the cost of war + little plunder ever acquired. Thus leading me to the conclusion that if an alian species could travel at the speed of light, they wouldn't hesitate to stop by for a peaceful visit to trade technology. Even if an alien species's technology is thunderheads of leagues above our own, our different cultures and circumstances might lead us to make different innovations and inventions. They might wish to colonize part of our planet, then exterminate us. However I really don't think they'd just blow up the whole planet
>>61161908
Shoop da woop lads
>>61164770
>Humans discover ancient stargate inside a previously-undiscovered Mayan temple
>Travel through it to a world much like Earth
>See advanced Mayan culture there
>See advanced Mayans make a sacrificial offering of a 17yo virgin to their gods
>Wat do?
>>61165399
>Nationalism can't exist without a war machine.
Nothing can exist without a 'war machine' you fucking idiot. Every country has one, every country requires one. Whether they're communist, fascist, socialist, capitalist, every nation has had a standing army, a 'war machine', or they've relied on the protection of another nation with its 'war machine'.
To say something is bad because it 'cannot exist without a war machine' means that everything western civilization has created is bad as well. The artist cannot create when the barbarian is balls deep in his asshole.
>>61165808
knowing you fuckers you'd probably invade and bring them "democracy"
>>61165808
>Fuck all the qt virgins to save their life >bring them with me through the stargate
>???
>profit
not even kidding
>>61162332
Fuck off we're full
>>61165902
Aaand I fucked it up
>>61163339
Time dilation, lad.
>>61162332
>>61165910
Can confirm, we're full - try Sweden.
>>61165808
Bring over 90% of 4chans userbase and ask for a 4K Oculus Rift
>>61165372
HAIL ERIS!
>>61164857
keep in mind that half of the nip posters you see are american weebs living their fantasy
>>61165754
Let me give a potential example.
This megastructure we are witnessing could be the result of a species on a planet creating a dyson sphere. So why did they build it? Perhaps their planet is only 1.5 billion years old and not 6 billion like ours. They simply lack petrol and had energy created from sun, wind, and geothermal. After population grew so big they had to remove wind farms, and put their solar panels into orbit to save precious space. They might not have any clue as to how or what petrol is or its uses. Thus meaning that our planet harbors both natural resources, and untapped technology by many already advanced intelligent species. And other intelligent species realize this, and we realize this about them. They are also willing to build a massive billboard that says "WE;RE RIGHT HERE FUCKERS" so they probably don't fear destruction as
>>61165340
stated.
>>61165709
>And now you reddit tier dingo fucker will explain how a conscious brain can spontaneously "appear" without being part of a living creature and evolving for thousands of years to become bigger and smarter.
>Years being of any significance at all
Time is relative.
Your years are a universes femtosecond.
>>61165544
nice design whats this from?
>>61163991
gayniggers from outer space
>>61165372
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>>61165709
It is simply a matter of probability. In an infinite universe, what is more likely to occur and with what frequency?
A planet that can not only support life, but has life, intelligent life, capable of reading this anonymous message board.
Or, a system of particles and gasses that exists somewhere and at some time in the universe, spontaneously fluctuating into an organized system that can mimic the activity of a human brain, complete with memories, including the memory of reading this anonymous message board post.
In all of time, all of space, which is most likely to occur and with what frequency?
>>61165834
Well, actually I meant the kind of war machine that actually wages wars, because a true nationalist economy cannot be sustained without threatening, attacking or conquering other countries. But anyway, I wonder what kind of a war machine does Australia have? Infantry dingo gunners? Armored kangaroo mounts? Air-land tactical koala nukes?
>>61166224
I'm guessing it's just random fan art of warhammer 40k
>>61160574
>star goes dim
You now realize movie Battle of los angeles was a warning
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=er9bhSe3GjE
>>61162237
This. I can hear the shrill female voices now.
>>61164060
Or they are neurological phenomena which explains why their have been accounts of it with various cultural clothing throughout the ages (demons, ghosts, gods, fairy people, aliens).
Magnetic fields, carbon-monoxide poisoning, sleep paralysis, night terrors, epilepsy and various psychiatric conditions can cause the sensation and even concrete illusion of others, or being taken and examined/tortured.
Even being alone in a quiet dark place can lead to otherly sensations as the brain fills in the lack of external information with internally generated material.
>Aliens
Ok, while I agree there is a highly probable chance they exist, there is almost no chance they have or will ever interact with us.
Face it. Space is too large to conquer, it will probably be impossible to reach other beings without dying of old age in the journey.
Chances are, they're in the same boat.
>>61160574
Mega structure harnessing energy from a star. How do you think aliens power their shit? Gasoline and combustion? It's all light energy, humans will learn how to do the same too eventually.
>>61166639
>space is too large they said
If there is a sun so big compared to our sun, there is a planet so big compared to our planet, and there are living things so big compared to us.
>>61166419
A true nationalist economy requires 'threatening, attacking or conquering other countries'? you really have no idea what nationalism is do you?
The modernist interpretation of nationalism states that nationalist economies are capable of self sustaining a society with a central authority to maintain that self sustaining nature. Thats it.
You've been bitten by the 'all nationalists were just like the Nazi's' bug.
>>61166395
Look, a lone sentient flying penis theoretically is also more likely to occur than a male human with a penis - doesn't mean that a penis can just support itself without a body. You would need to prove that: a) such a gaseous construction can exist at all; b) it would actually be less complex than a guy with a brain made out of meat and tissue.
>>61166286
>they free us from the oppression of fe-male creatchers
This star is actually the first observation of a previously unknown event. In between the star and our line of sight, there is a tear in the space-time continuum. It's not a black hole as it is not a gravitational phenomena. With that said, physics won't be able (or willing) to directly state this for a decade or more. They may never admit it.
>>61166639
One day anon.
>>61162065
>>61160574
>I'll take Multiple Planets for 400 Jerry.
>>61166906
You're missing the point.
You know how big of a freak of nature (on earth) humanity is?
The chances of that happening again would mean that comparable life wouldn't be in any close surrounding galaxy to us, let alone our galaxy.
Then you think about how big our solar system is, how huge the distance is to the next star, then the next, then picture the size of the galaxy.
We are not alone, but we are definitely isolated to the point we'll never contact a species like humanity.
Hence why we haven't met with one yet.
>>61166911
A central authority... A strong leader... Hmm, where have I heard this before?...
>>61166395
But the universe is not infinitely large or infinitely old.
It is 14 billion years old, and not infinitely large. The chances that a random system mimics human thought is so absurdly low it simply cannot have happened even a single time.
Similarly, over 100 billion human minds have formed on Earth alone through the last 100 million years.
Your idea is nonsense since you're basically claiming that there have been more human intelligences in the universe forming randomly alone in 14bil years than humans on Earth.
>>61167236
Literally every country has a central authority in some form or another.
>>61161444
>>61167207
To a race that was bigger than us by an incredible factor travelling distances would be reduced by an incredible factor.
Look at the image and compare our sun to some ones we have seen (and imagine those we have not yet) and then consider it is no big deal for some advanced giant race to travel incredible distances in our eyes.
Literally ants watching men fly planes. An ant can't fathom how a human can travel such great distances so quickly, but we do easily.
>>61163868
Maybe. But over the span of a few months? The black hole theory seems more likely than that.
>>61167379
>bigger than us
What the fuck are you talking about? Are you claiming that there are star sized aliens roaming around in space?
>>61167463
Oh my god do you think the star blinking out is an egg for these star-dragons?
>>61167463
How much bigger are we compared to an ant? How much bigger could another species be compared to us?
They better hurry up and invade us so I can invade their women
>>61161635
Something huge or a lot of very small somethings. Small somethings capable of turning the light energy into something other than heat. Something like... hordes of self-replicating machines.
>>61161754
Some sort of massive sunspot that has been growing slowly for a hundred years and which moves independently from the rotation of the star. So, no. Not a sunspot.
>>61167379
Holy shit... I've never actually thought of that. What if a star like VY Canis Majoris has a habitable planet orbiting it, and the creatures from there are like 1000 times bigger than humans?
>>61167379
>Look at the image and compare our sun to some ones we have seen (and imagine those we have not yet) and then consider it is no big deal for some advanced giant race to travel incredible distances in our eyes.
Are you suggesting atoms, that make up the proteins required for life, are bigger in some places?
Because you sound like you have no understanding of fundamental physics.
If life occurs, there is little chance they'll be any bigger or smaller than us.
>Comparing ants to sophisticated life like humans, mentions ants watching planes
again. Physics is UNIVERSAL.
The us watching aliens = ants watching us; argument does not work out.
>>61162046
This is the politically incorrect board, not the politics board.
>>61167207
That's why we need to utilize cloning.
We set up automated systems and send massive probes towards life sustaining planets.
We set the cloning process to start 12 years before the probe approaches. We have automated systems to educate the first generation and they become the pioneer founding fathers and mothers who colonize the planets with the assistance of the second and third generation of clones. Then they are left to natural breeding and their own devices. But we instruct them to send signal back to earth of a mission successful through whatever means they can. Hopefully their message gets back before we are gone but the important thing is human life goes on.
There is no reason for humanity not to focus on spreading humanity to all habitable planets.
Perhaps we can at the very least create artificial life capable of succeeding where we fail.
>>61162309
>i will surrender
>humanity, ever surrendering
Fucking cocksuckers
>>61167746
You sound really stupid. You think I'm talking about atoms?
See >>61167711
Or do you think I'm saying VY Canis has bigger atoms? Or are you just enjoying arguing and not using your brain to think?
>>61163868
It doesn't show regular periodicity, if it did it would no longer be so interesting.
>>61166935
The brain might only exist for a split second. It might be constant.
It merely thinks that it is an evolved life form on earth that requires a body. It is simply dreaming an unreal dream about the environment around itself.
>>61167746
Consciousness that operates in a space we would consider extra-dimensional is certainly not out of the question, and anything that could exist in dimensions we can not observe can not be proven to obey the laws as we know them.
>>61163099
>massive universe
>thinking we are the only life EVER
TOP
KEK
>>61167570
Let's list some of the reasons why this idea is idiotic.
How would giant aliens evolve?
How would a single organism of that size travel in space?
How would a single organism be able to coordinate biological functions across millions of miles?
How would it survive? What would it eat? How would it breathe or take in New nutrients? How would it avoid black holes?
"Dark energy"
"Dark matter"
>yfw its all just aliens covering trillions of suns with dyson spheres that are too dark to see.
It has to be something orbiting the star causing the light blocking, because it happens on a regular interval.
Remember, they are also confused because comets and planets are incapable of the light blocking we are seeing.
The only non ayy theory I see as being plausible is perhaps a brown dwarf orbiting it? But, if it was really there and that massive, we would probably be able to know that by now.
>>61167590
>>61164581
>>61162002
Or maybe, just maybe, it's a crumbled planet or something not retarded?
>>61165455
surely bait
>>61167746
A giant star is gonna have bigger planets orbiting it. Bigger planets = bigger and stronger creatures. Aliens would have to be miles long and have a thick stone shell in order to survive on a planet 1000 times bigger than Earth.
>>61167949
bigger planet, bigger species ? duh
>>61167570
Consider even on our tiny planet we had massive whales and dinosaurs.
>yfw aliens on a rocky planet 10x our size
>>61167379
The distances involved in space travel are so great that even were it possible that creatures the size of the earth existed, it would not measurably change how fast they could travel from one star to another.
More importantly, as far as we know The Universe has a hard speed limit: The speed of light.
So even if we ignore that more massive objects are going to need a lot more energy to get moving, they can't got any faster than a photon.
>>61168046
1/10, made me reply.
>>61164746
kek
>>61167746
You seem to think intelligence is linked to brain size rather than neuro-connections.
Do you think that the ENIAC was a better computer than the modern smart phone just because of it's size.
It's possible there could be beings made of more atoms than humans or with atoms more spread out than ours.
It's equally possible ants, or even micro-organisms like viruses possess intelligence. We just see them as small and insignificant and therefore incapable of intelligence.
>>61168015
Because it dims with irregular periodicity. Why do you think self-replicating machines is a retarded idea?
>>61167875
>You sound really stupid. You think I'm talking about atoms?
You're not talking directly about them, but they play an important role in what you've said.
You can't just have organisms on a giant scale like that. Sure life on earth got reasonably big, but nothing on the scale like you're suggesting.
It breaks the laws of physics to have organisms that large, when it's almost certain they'd have similar makeup to ours, (or in the case of those in methane filled environments like titan, smaller makeups)
Bigger is almost not possible. Well not on your scale.
I hope aliens save the white race and take us away from all these niggers, inbred Muslims and jews.
>he thinks even advanced aliens wouldn’t be able to build something capable of covering a fifth of a star in just a century.
This is something I've never understood. There's a possibility that there is a species of alien out there that is MASSIVE compared to us. so to them building something this big might not seem like a challenge.
Anyway it's probably comets.
>Schaefer saw the same century-long dimming in his manual readings, and calculated that it would require 648,000 comets, each 200 kilometres wide, to have passed by the star – completely implausible
It's probably a really far out asteroid belt around the star. At least that's what I imagine which would explain why there's nothing for a long time and then all of a sudden a couple thousand of these rocks (and a planetoid) can dim the star. No way it's aliums lads. One explanation for the lack of aliens is the belief that more advanced species become microscopic and enter black holes to hide.
>>61168186
really so hard to believe?
scale our entire solar system up 10, would we also not be 10 times bigger than we are now?
4/10 you must be trolling
>>61163099
>tfw we will never go to alien brothels
>>61168186
Do you need a schooling in evolution? You don't know why dinosaurs were bigger than animals today?
You can't see how if a planet with more oxygen due to being larger existed then larger organisms could and would evolve from microscopic lifeforms?
>>61168256
>yfw the jews really are the chosen people and everyone else is slaughtered
>>61167897
>Consciousness that operates in a space we would consider extra-dimensional is certainly not out of the question, and anything that could exist in dimensions we can not observe can not be proven to obey the laws as we know them.
I am sceptical about that. I don't think a species in 3 dimensions will be able to develop technology involving more. I think it's far too impractical.
>>61163172
A cloud of dust that thick would have formed planets from being that clumped up to each other
>>61167949
>How would a single organism be able to coordinate biological functions across millions of miles?
Gee I don't know. How the fuck does a jellyfish become immortal? Nature finds a way.
>>61168267
or that they just used lots of robots
>>61168038
good thing wee have strong BBC to compete with them :^)
>>61168091
Planets ten times our size have too much gravity and pressure to support complex life. Most of them are gas giants.
Life is a very fickle thing. If you want truly large you'd have to check lightless oceans on small moons. Then you would get some fucking freaking shit that could be gargantuan. it would be unable to do anything complex for lack of biomes, however, creating an inability to manipulate resources. Much like the dolphins are very smart but cannot do shit compared to us.
>>61167949
>How would giant aliens evolve?
Same way as humans evolved alongside bugs and fleas.
>How would a single organism of that size travel in space?
What size? An alien from Canis Majoris system would theoretically be 3000 times bigger than a human. So... like a crowd of people at a concert, only a few miles long/tall. They would build giant spaceships out of the plentiful resources on their giant planet.
>How would a single organism be able to coordinate biological functions across millions of miles?
No, only about 1-3 square miles...
>How would it survive? What would it eat? How would it breathe or take in New nutrients? How would it avoid black holes?
Easily - it would be only like a mile tall. Still enough to terrify the puny humans and stomp their planet into dust.
>>61168247
Because this is going to be canals on mars all over again.
>>61160574
Just read the article. The star is dimming, that's it. That is all we know. All this mega-structure bullshit is just thrown in to sell papers.
>>61163339
In special relativity time dialation has near zero effect until the 99% mark
>>61168250
>>61168288
You increase the overall capacity of oxygen by increasing the size of the planet and you increase the potential of the organism to grow.
Like >>61168272 said you scale us up and just follow accordingly.
Why do you think a 10x bigger earth wouldn't have 10x bigger humans?
>>61168267
Would have to be huge numbers of huge objects to cause that level of dimming at any sort of great distance from the star. If those sort of numbers of those size of objects exist we'd have seen evidence for them elsewhere by now.
>>61160574
>KIC 8462852
>1480 light years away
>we are seeing what was technically happening to that star 1480 years ago
>the star is already dead and the anomaly has moved on
>maybe towards us
Lube up your anuses and prepare to fire all your nukes, ayy lmaos are coming.
>>61167711
square cube law, they'd be giant fucking balloon-noodles with the entirety of their neural mass making up the whole of their body, skin, muscles, and guts all told
get your colanders out, lads
aliums are monitoring thread
>>61167266
So would you say that 100 billion human minds is typical of the universe, or a rare occurrence?
Would you discount the idea that a disembodied brain could spontaneously appear in a region of the universe, at some time during the 'life' of the universe.
If you consider the theory of eternal inflation, which loosely speaking suggests that our universe constantly sprouts new self-contained regions, like bubbles popping up in a bubble bath. We live in just one of those regions and have no access to the others, which could be very different from ours.
What are the odds of a disembodied brain appearing now?
>>61161731
This isn't gravitational lensing.
>>61161768
>>>/tuboflard/
>>61168424
This is not a convincing argument.
>>61168272
>>61168288
>>61168359
Square-cube law prevents creatures of this size, nice try morons.
It's completely plausible that this is an advanced race of aliens harvesting energy from a star, it could even be alien AI whose creators perished some time in the past.
From the article
>as he thinks even advanced aliens wouldn’t be able to build something capable of covering a fifth of a star in just a century.
This is the problem, people have no idea what talking about, these ETs could have been around for millennia and have broken all scientific barriers to - everything.
You can't compare them to us and try to come up with a hypothesis because in the grand scheme of things we're still extremely primitive.
>>61163339
>100 years ago was using horse and buggy
>2016 barely put toe in stellar waters.
>only stepped foot on our moon.
>speaks with such authority that we'll never go as fast as light.
Get out of here with your defeatism. We will go lightspeed
>>61168413
>Planets ten times our size have too much gravity and pressure to support complex life. Most of them are gas giants.
Any source on this? I expect a 10x larger sun would solve that problem
>>61168038
>Bigger planets = bigger and stronger creatures. Aliens would have to be miles long and have a thick stone shell in order to survive on a planet 1000 times bigger than Earth.
Seems logical right? Wrong - the proteins required for life wouldn't sustain life like that.
Proteins are 100% confirmed needed to have life, whether in oxygenated atmosphere or not.
You guy's aren't thinking on a biological level enough.. i'm talking about the nitty gritty about the building blocks of life and mixing it with the universal laws of physics. What is right here, is the same everywhere.
Don't even get me started on how such a planet would hold itself like earth with such intense gravity - how would atmospheres stay above a solid mass? wouldn't they all end up like jupiter?
Sure, some larger earth like planets may hold life, but again, not a scale large enough to make space travel that significantly better.
>>61168490
>Why do you think a 10x bigger earth wouldn't have 10x bigger humans?
Do you even have to ask this?
Why are creatures at the bottom of the oceans, the very bottom, smaller than the creatures at the top and middle?
You can;t just have infinitely large creatures, gravity and air pressure play a pivotal role in the evolution of any respirating creature.
>>61165808
lol silently as they all die from the flu like every single other fucking group of people we have ever visited
>>61168490
>Why do you think a 10x bigger earth wouldn't have 10x bigger humans?
Because a 10x bigger earth would be unlikely to sustain itself like earth. It'd start to form more like jupiter or other gas giants.
>>61168638
A 10 times larger sun would result in ten times more dead planets with stripped atmospheres. It's not about the size of the planet, it isn't a videogame.
>>61165808
gtfo before they find me and kill me
>>61168575
>What are the odds of a disembodied brain appearing now?
0, because human beings have never witnessed the spontaneous creation of any large object. We have only witnessed virtual particle creation.
Seems like you have misunderstood the energy requirements necessary to spontaneously generate matter in a vacuum - pro tip: it's very high.
>>61168615
No it doesnt. You're applying earth gravity to every other planet in the universe. An animal who evolved on the moon isn't under the same pressure as one on earth.
>>61168413
We already found a rocky planet with 17x the mass of Earth and we've barely started looking.
>>61168272
Not necessarily. We would certainly be stockier in order to move in the stronger gravity. Bigger size would be a good way to accomplish this but so would lowering our center of mass by having shorter and more muscular legs for example.
>>61168575
the local universe might be a gaseous spontaneous brain for all we know, and our biological selves are just it playing out its many thoughts and remembrances of a former life that didn't exist
>>61168500
>implying ayy lmoas won't help the white race exterminate the sub-humans so they can have some land and human dick/pussy.
>>61168842
It certainly could happen, but it seems insanely rare. It is unlikely that planet has any meaningful atmosphere.
>>61168615
>Change the entire environment in which an organism lives on
>still expects a human sized thing to show up
???
>>61168828
If you are a disembodied brain then all your ideas about history, your memory, the laws of physics and the rules of logic have all just fluctuated into your brain. And therefore you have no right to believe them because other laws, incorrect laws, could also have fluctuated into your brain.
>>61168734
A planet is created 10x as large as earth to match the sun 10x as large as our sun, now you think it automatically gets eaten by its sun because the sun is larger than ours?
>>61168500
Dammit Remina
>>61167951
If its a brown dwarf then the universe is a lot lot lot older than 13.8 billion years
>>61168638
>Any source on this? I expect a 10x larger sun would solve that problem
>size of sun, made entirely out of gas and with any sort of size BECAUSE IT IS GAS has to to do with the gravity issues of such a large planet
if anything, gas giants prove larger life is impossible. I don't see why a bigger sun will do anything but make it less likely that there are large planets able to sustain life.
Atoms are the same here as there. The bond issues for the atoms on such planets are the same.
Hence why jupiter is a gas giant. The gravity is so great it won't be anything but a gas giant.
>>61168863
Well originally we were shorter and stockier, we evolved quite recently to be taller . so we could both be right. the point is, bigger life forms could evolve on a bigger planet. Obviously mass is relative, gravity, atmosphere etc..
Why does alien life have to be how you all define it?
Maybe its nothing like us.
Maybe its a shapeshifting blob made up of nothing resembling the structure of life on earth.
Why not?? Maybe there are intelligent airborne particles.
>>61168995
>believe my idiot theory about spontaneous brains!
>if you don't believe it, it's because you are actually a spontaneous brain too!
???
>>61161793
>Even if it was ayy lmaos, would that be so surprising? knowing how vast the universe is, believing we are the only special snowflakes in this vastness just proves how retarded everyone is.
Obviously intelligent extra-terrestrial lifeforms exist somewhere out there. But for them to be close enough to observe would be both unheard of, and terrifying.
>>61160574
Why is /pol/ so against aliens?
>>61168615
All of your physics is based on earth physics. On planets that aren't earth earth physics doesn't exist.
>>61168413
>muh pressure
Do you realize that right now there are Whales that can survive insane amounts of pressure AND pressure change without any issue? In fact the surface pressure you would experience on a massive planet would be a lot easier to accommodate for than the deep ocean.
>>61167746
Every point and laugh at this pseudo intellectually who tried to act smart and proved himself to be a grade A retard instead.
>>61169174
Because /pol/ thinks it knows everything already. And to be ironic.
>>61169204
Australian education, everyone.
>>61168990
>>Change the entire environment in which an organism lives on
>>still expects a human sized thing to show up
This argument again?
Atom size does not change, at certain temperatures it's impossible for certain atoms, molecules and compounds to form an atmosphere.
This means that molecules in amospheres cannot be significantly larger than out own atmosphere molecules. It's not physically possible..
Stop believing the chance for contactable intelligent life, it's just so fucking unlikely it's depressing.
We are freaks people. Freaks of nature.
ayylmao
did they ever turn seti toward it?
>>61168998
I don't have time, just look into planet formation. There will be exceptions to the thought process but there are, barring extremely rare scenarios, limits to the growth of any planet, especially with regard to atmosphere that can sustain life vs choke it to death.
I'm going to buy a powerful transmittor and transmit "WEW LADS AYY LMAO" to them nonstop for the next hundred years
Expect them to come to us bringing memes within whatever amount of lightyears they're away x2
>>61165210
Felt a pang of insanity reading this.
One of the most powerful things I've read on here tailored to my life experiences and understandings of the concepts of my existence.
>>61168615
Square cube law is about increasing the size of a pre-existing object. Like growing a mouse into an elephant - of course it would die from being squashed by gravity. But if such a creature evolved through thousands of years, gaining mountain-like legs and titanic skeletal bones... well, the existence of 3 km^2 crabs in the VY system still cannot be disproven...
>>61169108
I agree, but not on the scale suggested earlier in the thread.
It's preposterous and physically impossible.
>>61168500
If they travel at 0,99c than they should be here in few years.
>>61169118
Because we want to fuck ayy, that's all.
How do you fuck airborne particles?
>>61161731
>So a black hole got in the way. This doesn't mean ay lmaos.
"Black holes (besides hypothesized primordial ones) have a minimum mass a few (1.5 to 3) solar masses, since they form by overcoming the Chandrasekhar mass limit for neutron stars (Tolman–Oppenheimer–Volkoff limit). A Black Hole sufficiently close to a main sequence star to accrete its outer hull would form a fast-rotating binary system with the star, usually causing high radial velocities relative to Earth. This would cause a considerable oscillation of the Doppler shift of the spectrum of the star, and would hence be immediate by spectral observations. "
So not a black hole either.
>>61169272
He's right of course. Different gravity (or as old mate says 'physics') will change how much pressure an object can sustain. You are literally applying earth gravity to other planets where the results would change.
