Is this true?
>>61115066
Yeah, as long as saved means through Jesus Christ.
>>61115066
Nope.
>>61115194
Rare
>>61115066
Is hell and torment a different place?
>>61115066
No, this is.
>>61115066
>last judgment literally means nothing
false.
>>61115194
Have you destroyed the Mangrove forests yet?
>>61115066
No. Hell is no the end punishment.
>>61115066
No. Everyone, even those who will be saved, must wait their turn to be judged. Many just rest for eternity. Some go to hell.
>>61115066
>no New Earth
>>61115849
if god is omnipotent why didn't he just kill all the past present and future sinners and make the new earth already
or
here's a thought
START with the new earth where sin doesn't exist
fuck
>>61115917
Do you feel mentally superior now? Good. Now go away.
>>61115066
Your image was correct prior to the resurrection. Jesus died, went to Paradise, and set those captives free when He arose. Paradise is empty now.
After the resurrection, the saved do not go to Paradise when they die, but directly to be with the Lord.
>>61115849
also how does god make demons
do they just exist
why
>>61115525
I disagree. Shitposters with proxies are not rare.
>>61115066
No.
You go to Gensokyo.
No,neurology,neuroanatomy and bio-chemistry debunk the idea of a soul,it all falls flat from there.
We already know what happens after death but people preffer to live in denial.
>>61115828
Yes. Torments is Hell's waiting room. Uncomfortable, but not a Lake of Fire. At the end, Torments will be thrown into the Lake of Fire, along with Paradise.
>>61115066
Complete bullshit
>>61116067
I hope so.
>>61116037
God created angels with free will, some of them are bad, they're called demons.
Imagine if God just created robots programmed to love him and only do good?
>>61116113
Source?
>>61115849
No, this is.
>>61115971
There are two different judgments; the bema seat judgment and the Great White Throne judgment. The former is for the saved; the latter is for the damned.
>>61115066
Absolutely, amen.
>>61116037
He wills them into existence to test the righteousness of our hearts.
>>61115992
>if god is omnipotent why didn't he just kill all the past present and future sinners and make the new earth already
Because He desires for them to repent, and if they don't have that choice, they do not have free will, and are therefore not made in God's image.
>START with the new earth where sin doesn't exist
He did, but we fucked it up.
>>61116037
>how does god make demons
Demons are angels that fell into opposition to God. Like humans, they were made good, but turned bad.
>>61115992
What if the end result, a collaboration between mankind and God, is greater than God could have made on His own?
>>61116113
I've heard the opposite though many times in the past
>>61116198
The cartoon or the science?
>>61116115
What's it like in torment?
>>61116207
I'm not disputing that.
>>61116193
He did, they are called fundies.
>>61115992
Then we would be nothing but mindless drones, worse off than insects. Having free will can be a blessing or a curse, depending on what you do with it.
>>61116037
God made angels.
The lead angel staged a coup, and lost.
1/3 of the angels fell with him, either by choice or under his authority.
Angels and demons are identical but for their allegiances.
>>61116257
You see to know a lot about something nobody's ever seen before
>>61116270
From who? a priest? how about you read some medicine books and learn how your brain works and what happens to it shorty after the flow of oxigen and nutrients stop.
>>61115066
The righteous who die today go straight to heaven, they don't go to paradise anymore Christ opened heaven to all those in paradise during the resurrection. The unrighteous dead will remain in Hades until the final judgement, then they, along with the unrighteous living will be sent to Gehenna, or "hell", which is the final resting place of unrighteous souls.
>>61115889
The last judgement judges the living and the dead.
Best YLYL thread in a while senpaitachi
>>61116293
Jesus told a story about a certain rich man and a beggar named Lazarus that used to beg outside the man's gate.
The certain rich man had full memories and sensations; he wanted Lazarus to bring him some water, and he wanted to go back and warn his family. Both were denied.
So it's hot, they can see the gulf between them and paradise, they can't cross over, and they have no hope. They're waiting for the trial they demanded, to prove to God that they are as He is.
Nobody wins that trial.
>>61115066
Ah, this stuff delights me! I get no small entertainment from the fruits of a lifetime of imbalanced focus on a theoretical cosmogeny presented as unimpeachable fact, coupled with an upbringing of conditional love an inexpressible sexual frustration.
The pure truth is that every human being has a subjective life experience, and no two peope who are absolutely positive that they have the one correct truth of the universe have the exact same belief.
Not that anything I say could convince you that you might be wrong, of course. These unfalsifiable theories have plenty of logical loops to throw up to dismiss any evidence conflicting with your core beliefs.
>>61116347
We know plenty about it.
>>61116375
>The last judgement judges the living and the dead.
Yes, but nothing is final until the final judgment. I believe some souls may be able to repent after death but before the final judgment. In particular, apostate Christians. (Though I don't think unbaptized people will be able to do so.)
>>61116020
Friend, I see I touched on a sensitive issue.
Like how anchors touch the beautiful Trinidad coral reefs.
>>61116253
>He wills them into existence to test the righteousness of our hearts.
This implies that God is not omniscient though m8.
>>61116037
They're probably ayylmaos
not even joking
>>61116549
>being this postmodern
>>61116373
Nah from scientists wish I had the article to give you but I literally never bookmark shit after I read it but the tldr is they still don't have a clue if it exists or not. Personally I think it does exist but whether its tied to consciousness or not idk
>>61116549
also
>dispensationalism
>>61115066
>people actually think a flood happened 4400 years ago that covered the entire world in water and suddenly after 40 days all that water magically disappeared
>>61115066
where do unbaptized infants go if they die?
if hell why is God so cruel?
If heaven why are they so lucky to attain salvation with no change of condemnation.
>>61116257
>Demons are angels that fell into opposition to God. Like humans, they were made good, but turned bad.
How can something "made good" by God turn bad? This implies that God is not omnipotent.
>>61116373
>the soul is biological
>>61116549
Couple of things. Jesus' priesthood is eternal, and the new heaven and new earth occur at the beginning of the thousand years, not the end. It's confusing because John follows the story of satan's end, and then comes back to the New Jerusalem descending.
Hell is the absence of God. Not God microwaving people for amusement. Hell is locked from the inside. God made sin have consequences, and hellions ignore those consequences, and yet God still is kind both to saved and unsaved.
>>61116341
do insects have free will
why would god make insects that do nothing
where do insect souls go when they die
>>61116257
>we fucked it up
no, allegedly one dumb cunt fucked it up
and jesus is dead now
if we're saved through accepting him then why not just instantly ascend all the believers
>>61116263
impossible by definition
>>61116343
i thought demons were a separate entity
there was satan, the fallen angel
other fallen angels that went with him
and some lovecraftian embodiment of evil called demons
>>61116597
ayyy
>>61116693
About 4600 years ago, it stayed on the earth for over a year, and it changed the planet.
If you look at a globe, the blue is the water. It didn't go anywhere, except back into the earth's crust, and back into the atmosphere.
>>61116715
It states that God made them sovereign over themselves, as He made you sovereign over yourself.
>>61115066
I can't believe people still believe this shit. Not only is it a ludicrous concept to begin with, but all the events in these religions happened a long-ass time ago in the middle east, and nothing has happened since. Enough crazy shit to fill several books, then a hard line and nothing? Nigger, please. If any of those supernatural things are true, then the only reason I can think of for it to not happen anymore is that god is dead.
>>61116693
prove it couldn't happen
>>61116792
>impossible by definition
And yet with God, all things are possible.
>>61115066
>cum
>>61116739
The soul doesnt exist because conciousness,personality,everything that makes you a person is biological.A tumor can turn you from a loving father to a rampageing murderer by pressing the wrong nuclei.
I can make you unable to remember new things with a scapel if you would let me demonstrate.
>>61116654
Sounds like horseshit,hope you find it so I can point you the fallacies.
>>61115066
no. even in the bible its not heaven or hell. its
heaven a cult like country club that turns out to be a communist work camp. think jones town. its not infinite it is described in units of measure we no longer use cubits but it is small
a unnamed place that exist on the other side of the gulf where every one who doesnt get into heaven goes as long as they do not get "blotted out" aka suffer the second death the death of the soul . only god can execute some ones soul
hell is typically referenced by people who dont know hell was made up by the church when illiteracy was predominate to con people out of money. they reference the same couple of lines that in 1 case is actually referring to a burning trash pit outside of a city where they threw dead bodies (not jews another group) not a ethereal place
pre christianity jews didnt even believe in a after life. all souls go to sheol. christians some times call that the sea of souls but the terms meaning may have been lost in the ages. the god of the bible could be seen as a god of the living and souls are a christian fabrication. evil spirits may not have ever been human
>>61116916
not enough water faggot
>>61115849
Not every good person is a saint, so this graphic says that unless you are literally a saint, you go to hell. You can be as devout as the sun is hot and you can follow the word of the bible perfectly, but if you're not a saint, you're fucked.
>>61116715
Freedom.
>>61116710
>where do unbaptized infants go if they die?
Unbaptized infants go to heaven, because they are incapable of sinning.
>if hell why is God so cruel?
I'm Orthodox, so from that standpoint: Hell is the all-consuming fire of God's love as experienced by a person who hates God. Someone who loves God and has thereby become "fire" himself will experience it as bliss.
>If heaven why are they so lucky to attain salvation with no change of condemnation.
There is always a chance of falling away, although not in eternity, where movement is impossible. This lifetime exists to prepare to be with God. Those who don't do so will not have an enjoyable experience.
>>61116207
UNDERATED
>>61116792
>and some lovecraftian embodiment of evil called demons
I believe you are referring to the evil spirits, the remainder of the Nephilim, chained up right now. The Nephilim were hybrid human/angels, great men of renown, and the source of many of our current hero stories like Heracles, etc.
I do not believe there is any salvation for those creatures; their end will likely be in the Lake of Fire, along with their fathers, the fallen angels.
>>61116926
z is the last letter of the alphabet
there is nothing beyond z
god is the strongest
there is nothing stronger than god
>>61116867
Jesus rose from the dead.
The bible tells the future.
It's enough.
>>61116969
>"The soul doesn't exist."
t. The Soul
>>61117018
>Unbaptized infants go to heaven, because they are incapable of sinning.
so we should kill all children at birth, saving there eternal souls before the world could possibly corrupt them.
>>61116969
The soul is different from consciousness. The biological experience of consciousness is the soul being connected to the body. When that connection is severed, the body and soul are separated. Also known as death.
>>61116926
>And yet with God, all things are possible.
Except adults with fucking intelligence.
People that believe in ANYTHING related to abrahamic religion are literally retarded. You cannot be anything else. You can post all the quotes you want from Heisenberg too. He was a fucking moron who specialized in one autistic field.
>>61117004
There was a canopy of water in the atmosphere above the planet, prior to the Flood, increasing the oxygen content, the atmospheric pressure, and filtering out the sun's harmful rays.
Prior to the Flood, it had never rained.
When the foundations of the deep opened, and all of the volcanoes on earth erupted, the canopy fell.
It took 40 days to fall.
So yes, there's enough water.
>>61115066
Yes, you get perfect stamina in hell, that's pretty nice.
>>61116990
>pre christianity jews didnt even believe in a after life. all souls go to sheol.
And at that time, they were right. But the resurrection of Jesus changed all that.
>>61117004
not enough water? You know this is an all powerful God we are talking about right...
When we die, the matter that makes up our bodies eventually decomposes and becomes part of the Earth again, which is where we came from to begin with since matter and energy are finite.
As for our consciousness and "soul", who knows. Perhaps there are still things beyond our understanding, on the dimensions of existence that even our best scientists still don't fully understand or fully proven, in which the electrical pattern of our brains can continue to exist in some form.
>>61115066
if it was, people definetly get that shit completely wrong
if there is something you let yourself ignore, you go to hell to be teached the things you ignored
if you however never forcefully ignored things on your path, you go to heaven
delusion of reality leads to hell, looking at the real reality and learning from it leads to heaven
>>61117067
>what is aa, ab, ac, ad, ae, etc.
Omega is beyond z, actually. And Jesus is both the Alpha and the Omega.
>>61116867
The events of the Old Testament happened thousands and thousands of years before Christ, and many of them were figurative, not literal. Then the events of Christ's life happened.
It is retarded to assume that "hurr something else should have happened by now." What the fuck is a year to God? What is a century? The Second Coming could come tomorrow or it could come 10,000 years from now, or even longer.
You have this conception that our current era is so special, that we're so much better than everyone else, that we're the end all be all of society's evolution and that "God better appear now or we'll all lose faith!" Despite our achievements, we are still as fickle and insignificant to God as the Bronze Age goat herders were 4,000 years ago.
And perhaps the reason God has not chosen to reveal himself again is because he looks around and sees everyone abandoning their faith because they don't see enough results yet. You're just like the fatasses that join a gym on New Year's and then quit a month later because they haven't lost 50 pounds and aren't benching 350 yet.
The gospel is foolish to those who are perishing.
>>61117138
Do no evil that good may come.
>>61117190
Jesus rose from the dead.
The bible tells the future.
The heavens declare the glory of God.
The earth shows His handiwork.
It suffices.
>>61115992
>if your great^10 grandfather was a sinner the thousands of his decendents shouldn't exist
>>61115066
If i die and there is no afterlife, nothing will happen.
If I die and i believe in nothing and there is an afterlife I will go to hell.
If I die and believe in right something I can go to heaven.
Regardless I'm to busy with life to worry what happens when i die. I'll worry about the afterlife if it exist. And if the Christian god exist i suppose I'll repent. If the muslim god exist i'll gladly burn in hell, and if its some alien space shit that we dont understand, i'll just roll with it.
>>61117127
>My only proof of the existance of the soul is the opinions of inbreed sandniggers of the past
t.American underclass
>>61117140
>the biological experience of consciousness is the soul being connected to the body
No,conciousness is biological,this is a fact.
>. When that connection is severed, the body and soul are separated. Also known as death.
No,when central nervous system cells die of lack of nourishment or apoptosis that's called death.
>>61117012
Jesus said, be holy as He is holy. If you do not become as holy as Jesus, or a Saint, you cannot go into God's presence. That is merciful—an unholy person would be burnt up and destroyed by that kind of holiness.
That is why we experience a foretaste of these things after death, but before the last judgment. God wants us to be with Him, and once we are out of the body, He will burn up all the evil in us so we can go to heaven in the end.
But it won't be very pleasant. That is why we should work to become holy in this life, rather than in the next.
>>61117280
>who knows
God knows.
Start listening.
>>61117138
No, because that's murder.
>>61117385
And Santa delivers presents to all good boys and girls every year.
Right.
Grow up you child.
>>61117233
>>61116549
>>61115849
>>61115066
>Christians actually believe this
None of you has any right to make fun of scientology.
>>61117414
>No,conciousness is biological,this is a fact.
No kidding, I agreed with you.
>No,when central nervous system cells die of lack of nourishment or apoptosis that's called death.
And the soul departs.
>>61117405
God exists, and wants to meet you. He's waiting for you to make the first move. You can talk to Him any time you like.
>>61117444
>>61117280
>Who knows
We know,start STUDYING.
>>61117414
The reason you do not know that you are a soul housed in a temporary body is that you are in open rebellion against God.
You do realize hell will be better than paradise, right?
>>61117476
Whew, you sure showed me.
>>61117476
I raised two, and they have two each.
What's it like being wrong all the time? Fun?
>>61115066
Yes.
If you masturbate a magic sky wizard will get angry and torture you.
100% real and not a trick to stop you from masturbating.
>>61117334
How is ensuring eternal bliss, evil? This kids could grow up atheist and be condemned to eternal torture. Seems like the stakes are kinda high to be gambling with.
>>61117509
Can you define what a soul is please? you're grasping for straws.
>>61117562
The reason you don't know basic biology is that your parents are scum and failed to educate you.
>>61117527
>"hello god!"
>no reply
Well alright, i guess if he or she or spacealien exist its not listing or cant talk back, and as such it cannot blame me for my transgressions.
>>61117444
Assuming you're not trolling, there's no evidence of the God that the bible teaches.
There may be a presence beyond our ability to know that influenced our development. There may be a civilization or beings that visited long ago that people mistook as gods. But all of the bible based around it is likely fiction.
So no, "God" doesn't know, because he/it could very likely be an entity that no longer exists, or one that never existed.
Lack of a god doesn't disprove the existence of an afterlife, either.
>>61117476
oh what do you believe about the origins of the universe? Also nice strawman
>>61117635
And to think my Christian ancestors came from the Netherlands.
>>61115066
What happens if you browse 4chan?
Do liberals have more chance to go in heaven than an average /pol/ poster?
>>61117503
Your argument is that people who know the truth cannot make fun of people who think Xenu the Overlord gave them the power to overcome thetans through electrical shock, according to a science fiction writer.
I don't find your argument compelling.
>>61117316
You're like the redneck women that tell the police to not take their husbands away for beating them because "AI LOVE HEEIM"
>>61117569
I'm listening...
>>61117464
actuly you don't have to do anything, leave them and don't interfere and they will die. Just like how God did not interfere in Jesus death, how could doing the same thing as God be murder?
>>61117569
Floating in black fire alone and screaming in pain forever doesn't sound like fun to me.
>>61117646
SOUL. The spiritual immortal part in human beings that animates their body. Though a substance in itself, the soul is naturally ordained toward a body; separated, it is an "incomplete" substance. The soul has no parts, it is therefore simple, but it is not without accidents. The faculties are its proper accidents. Every experience adds to its accidental form. It is individually created for each person by God and infused into the body at the time of human insemination. It is moreover created in respect to the body it will inform, so that the substance of bodily features and of mental characteristics insofar as they depend on organic functions is safeguarded. As a simple and spiritual substance, the soul cannot die. Yet it is not the total human nature, since a human person is composed of body animated by the soul.
>>61117640
Thou Shalt Not Murder
It's one of the big 10.
>>61117650
As ive always assumed. If there is a magic wumbo setting on the universe that contains all the illustrious stories and existence of fantastic beings such as god. We have simply yet to find it. Or it simply dose not exist at all.
I will give the credit to the religious out there, it is a BIG universe, and whos to say there is not a godlike being out there.
>>61117190
>Dissing Heisenberg
Someone is salty after failing freshman physics and having his expectations crushed
It's ok bud, just being an atheist will sure validate your intelligence, you don't actually need to know things to be a genius ;^)
>>61117646
Studied at private university, thanks. Was going to major in Biology/Biochemistry to become a doctor, but decided to go into law instead.
Oh, and you're still not white.
>>61117640
That makes sense. Grab your shovels, we're going baby hunting
>>61117030
Nigga... Where are these evil spirits locked up in chains? I feel like going on an RPG quest right now
>>61117649
That was your entire effort to reach out to the Almighty?
Well, He heard it.
>>61117772
Dereliction of parental duty resulting in death is also murder.
Jesus died because it was the Trinity's will that He should die, in order to raise all the dead.
Welp. Dumbest thing i saw on the internet award goes to.... OP
CONGRATULATIONS OP! YOUR A FUCKING RETARD.
>>61117650
Or maybe God manifested as Jesus Christ so that we could get to know Him a little better, in order to choose whether we wanted to live with Him forever, or apart from Him forever.
Maybe God reached down to mankind, to save us.
Maybe that is the entire point of Christianity.
>>61117950
>>61117649
god wants nothing to do with your euphroic edgyness
>>61117819
leave the child alone and it will die, that is not a action. God leave people to die all the time despite his ability to intervene, if God is perfect and nothing he does is a sin. Than logically lack of intervention could not be a sin.
>>61115194
TIPS FOREDORA
>>61115066
Non this http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-2718
>>61117921
Apparently their prison, in their heaven, the third heaven, overlaps with the center of the earth.
>>61115066
Nope, you go in the ground. Or if you're in India, the ocean
>>61117785
>falling for the propaganda
after death everibody get's what they deserve - segregation
hell is drugs, booz and degeneracy and heaven is autists petting goats
>>61115066
Why should I seek reward in Heaven. Why should I desire Paradise.
How is desire for Paradise and Heaven not just another form of sinful desire of pleasure over the righteous struggle of suffering and pain?
>>61117950
fuck off loser
>your
>>61118046
I know you think you're making an argument ad absurdum, but you're not.
Not everyone suffers equally in hellfire.
>>61117927
God tells us to call him out father yet he lets children die all over the globe despite his ability to intervene. Seems like you are trying to make a double standard.
>>61118108
God made hell, and said what it was like. The outer darkness; a confinement vessel for demons; the Lake of Fire.
Since He made it, I will take His word on it. Not yours.
>>61118046
An infant is innocent, but it is not a saint. It cannot become a saint if it is killed in infancy.
Your logic is like giving a person just enough food to stay alive, when you could give them 3 square meals a day.
>Believing something because your parents and a 2000 year old book told you to
Holy shit, I can't believe these are the same people who talk about being red-pilled.
>>61118158
It's not about pain and suffering v pleasure.
It's about wanting to be with God, alive where He will be living among us, or not.
Temporary suffering brings about positive changes in some people under some circumstances.
Eternal suffering does not.
>>61118184
>Not everyone suffers equally in hellfire.
according to who? even if you think that, many Christan sects do not
>>61115066
Of course, which is why only Orthodox Jews are in Heaven.
God's word is immortal and unchanging. Idiot "Christians" believe that God makes new covenants and that every one is a special snowflake. The truth is much sterner ... the God of Abraham is the God of Moses and that is eternal. You cannot just make changes to the immortal unchanging Word of God whenever you feel like it.
God's Word is Great
Man's Word is meaningless.
>>61117012
Saint literally means as saved Christian. It doesn't take much to become saved. It's literally as easy as drinking a glass of water. You just have to believe.
Of course the satanic catholicuck church has tried to corrupt the word, but the biblical meaning of saint is what I just said.
>>61118191
Those children die, and go to be with the Father forever.
They're so much better off than you are, it's unbelievable that you think they envy you.
I have no hat in the religion ring because most of them are asinine. But I will say this fedoras, you cant prove their god dose not exist, and they cant really prove it dose. Its a concept that goes beyond the common understandings of psychical science and either lands in the field of psychology or simply opinion.
Its the same line of reasoning to say that I believe there is in our infinite universe that there is other sentient race. There is no REAL evidence to support my claim by most science backs the possibility for the chances in infinity are in fact infinite.
So in otherwords. Just drop it, you dont fucking know. Nether sides. Stop trying to convert eachother it never works.
>>61117817
>he spiritual immortal part in human beings that animates their body.
Wrong,do I need to explain you how the body is animated? its not by a soul its by prolongations of braincells called axons that conduct impulses to muscles,glands and other braincells we have named every single fucking strand of them,mapped their whole circuit and manipulate them with meds.
>Every experience adds
Like I said before I can literally sever your ability to experience new things with a scapel,its part of a circuit of braincells around the hippocampus,your life experience like any other aspect of yourself can be tampered witch chemistry and anatomical manipulation.
>and infused into the body at the time of human insemination
Oh dear do I need to say something?
The "soul" is the ancient way of making sense of the nervous system,there is no deeper meaning to it.
>>61117882
>as going to major in Biology/Biochemistry to become a doctor, but decided to go into law instead.
Gee I wonder why someone who cannot grasp basic biology concepts failed to become a doctor :^)
Regards, an actual doctor.
>>61117995
Yet there is no evidence of it. Not even a little bit. Not one ounce that the man even existed, let alone did any of the things he's supposed to have done. There's even debate over whether Mary was a virgin. Mankind can't even clarify the story.
More likely, Jesus never existed. At all. A God, or a being or beings that we thought were gods, could have been here. The bible even makes reference to more than one god, and to only follow the one true God. All religions make reference of this kind of a being. They don't all make reference to a carpenter born from a virgin who does magic tricks for the locals.
One has to be open-minded. That means we have to use all of the knowledge we've collected since the bible was first written and apply it to our beliefs. The fact of the matter is that the two no longer coincide. We know more about the universe than we could have ever thought possible back then. We've gone above the clouds, into what we once thought was heaven.
There's so many scientific possibilities for greater beings, and things we can't comprehend or that we literally can't see or interact with from our dimensions of existence. That's far more plausible than the simpleton language that the bible convinces us is fact.
God may have just been an average omnipotent being that thought more of itself than others in its species.
>>61118251
Spotted the papist.
Don't you know your own "infallible" pope said there were no unbaptized babies "stuck in limbo" anymore?
You're in such a tough spot, thinking your membership in a club will save you from hell. You really need to rethink that.
![it-was-real-in-my-mind.[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/uoKVhqd.png "it-was-real-in-my-mind.[1].png")
If you actually try to believe in something as hard as possible, this is what you become
>>61118251
Your ignoring their risk of going to hell if you leave them alive.
If someone told you right now you could have a million dollars or take the mystery door that is 50% billion dollars 50% you owe the banks a billion dollars.
what would you take?
>>61118300
Believing the truth is not difficult; separating the truth from all the lies is.
>>61117995
If God is all knowing then why would he come down at a time where information spread very slowly and was easily disputed by future generations instead of coming down now so the evidence will be much more palpable?
>>61118316
According to the Judge Who will cast them there.
I don't care what ANY Christian sect believes, if it's not founded in the truth.
Bunch of Ego fucks. You're all going to die one day and just be in black for eternity. Sorry that depresses you but none of you get to go anywhere when you die.
Your body gets eaten by worms and you cease to have a consciousness. You'll see black but you won't have to feel black.. so at least there's that for you faggots.
Stop living for something not real and start living what you KNOW is real.
>>61118314
For what reason should I desire to walk among God. I am perfectly content to walk alone. I am the happiest when I am suffering.
>>61115066
it's all bullshit
*tips fedora*
>>61118325
kek
Orthodox Jews don't even believe in heaven, and there is no mechanism in the Old Covenant to get them there. Or that even promises to get them there.
>>61118372
So you agree we should let all children die at birth?
>>61118339
Yup. Sanctified by God, not by the vote of some council, or by the appointment of the false prophet of Babylon.
The Vatican truly is the refuge for all sorts of evil spirits.
>>61118053
IS the fedora meme all you people have?
>>61118158
>suffering is good
>t. satanist
>>61118532
>and just be in black for eternity
Not true,you'll just stop being,you wont experience a purgatory because you got no means to.
Dumbass.
>>61117743
And you're the guy that posts in police brutality threads screaming at people, calling them bootlickers for not agreeing with your edgy opinions 100%.
You're too fucking black and white.
>>61118379
Atheism is self-refuting.
For someone to know there is no God, that person would have to have infinite knowledge.
You then have to believe the person with infinite knowledge when he says "there are no beings with infinite knowledge".
Self-refuting fools.
dumbcucks don't realize this reality is hell.
When you born you suffer, every living being suffers.
I am satan.
>>61118694
>pleasure is good
>t. degenerate
>>61118314
>wanting to be with god
>the faggot that tells everybody what to do and how to think
I guess we are on /pol/
>>61118412
Pretty sure only one of us tells the truth.
Your assertion that I had no exposure to the field was, of course, bogus.
But I can't expect much from people like you, can I.
>>61118438
No evidence of Jesus, the most famous person in the history of the world, written of in the best selling book of all time.
kek
>>61118438
>Jesus never existed
No, no, no. There was a Jesus at that time. The real question is, which Jesus? It was a common name at the time.
>>61117018
Except thats wrong they are born sinners. This is basic christian philosophy
>>61118498
Why not do both?
He'll send angels around the world, to make sure everyone hears the message.
God made DNA; you think He couldn't make an iPhone?
>>61118779
Could you upgrade my computer or something
>>61118532
Your worldview is depressing, and has no upside. No love, joy, nothing good. You live like an animal.
Maybe rethink your worldview.
>>61115066
Why would the gate to heaven be narrow if God sent Jesus to repent for all of us?
>>61118825
A dropout drops out for a reason,you are not qualified to talk about a subject you failed to learn.
Also the truth? I'm stating facts and helping people understand the universe instead of claiming I know an universal truth because I read it in a book,presenting proofs and claiming you are above proof are different things.
>>61118769
>there is a god
>you can't know if he exists
>which means he exists
seen any teapots with your telescope lately
Alright, religious dudes, I have a question: The area where ALL of the bible was written to take place is only a small section of the entire planet. If God was an omnipresent being, why did he reveal his word only to a select few people to then pass it on? Why not reveal it to everyone all at once? It'd be efficient - everyone in the world would now know the true religion, thousands of wars would then not be fought, and we could all live in harmony.
>>61118498
to fulfill prophecy and maybe if he came down today or later on people would just say "fake" and click on the next link.
>>61118825
Typical religious response when they get beaten by someone with superior knowledge.
>>61118578
It would behoove you to start thinking about your afterlife, not your current life.
If you want to continue doing your own thing, it is imperative that you are saved by Jesus Christ, and set free to do so.
Otherwise, do people on fire in the dark appear to have much freedom?
>>61118606
I would agree that you are a fantastic specimen for the proposition that the depravity of mankind has no lower limits.
I already warned you. Your blood is not on my hands.
Based on the bible hell is not real. Hell is described as a seperation from god which is not possible since god is omnipresent. The only way it is possible is if your soul is destroyed. The punishment is destruction of your eternal soul, not some fiery hell
>>61118817
the bible is full of verses about how you should enjoy and rejoice
>I know that there is no good in them, but for a man to rejoice, and to do good in his life.
>And also that every man should eat and drink, and enjoy the good of all his labour, it is the gift of God.
>A person can do nothing better than to eat and drink and find satisfaction in their own toil. This too, I see, is from the hand of God, 25 for without him, who can eat or find enjoyment?
>Then I commended mirth, because a man hath no better thing under the sun, than to eat, and to drink, and to be merry: for that shall abide with him of his labour the days of his life, which God giveth him under the sun.
>Every man also to whom God hath given riches and wealth, and hath given him power to eat thereof, and to take his portion, and to rejoice in his labour; this is the gift of God.
asceticism is not christian, it's another made up satanic ideology of the buddist inspired catholicuck church
>>61118822
God sets people free.
You don't know you're a captive, because of how clever your captor is.
>>61118990
>my emotions trump reality
No. Accept it for what it is and move on.
>>61119132
You rather see your children go to hell?
>>61118601
they believed in some sort of paradise. It was said earlier that when Jesus died he freed everyone from paradise probably to go to heaven/judgment day
>>61119209
Right back at you. God is a tyrant.
>>61118993
Jesus is the Narrow Gate; nobody gets to the Father but by Him.
Jesus' work on the cross paid for all of mankind's sins.
It did not provide mankind with universal salvation; it only cleared the way for God to offer salvation to all who believe in Jesus.
Salvation is a gift from God that must be accepted. It will not be forced on anyone.
>>61118990
Kidding? I have constant joy and happiness. I live a very fullfilling life here in reality unlike most the depressing cucks here hoping for a better 'after life'
I strive for a great life that im 100% i can take part in. Not gunna waste my time here. Im just a realist about death.
>>61118158
Why cant I have pain and pleasure?
>>61118532
>You'll see black
What? There will be no consciousness doing the seeing
>>61119076
why should i worry about myself and my own afterlife?
that would be selfish of me
i choose to not live in the pursuit of personal gain including the gain of a pleasureful afterlife
>>61118993
Jesus died for all of us and gave us the gift of eternal salvation, but you still have to accept the gift and believe on him. Very few people have full faith in Jesus Christ, and that their belief in him (and not their works) will save them from hell.
>Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
>only a few find it
>>61119132
Logically this is what the bible calls us to do.
we have established that
1. infants go to heaven when they die
2. it cant be a sin to allow death to take place even if you have the means to stop it, because God does this every day and he is perfect.
3. eternal damnation is a horrible fate you risk by living life. once condemned it is irreversible and better you were not born.
Thus according to the bible leaving infants to die is the most just course of action.
>>61119005
Not a dropout; maybe English isn't a good language for you to read and comprehend.
I learned, and aced, every university Biology class I took.
You don't know anything about the universe that matters, so thanks, but no thanks.
>>61116836
>literally not enough water on the whole planet for that to happen.
>arguing with an idiot over a bronze age myth
The more I read about this stuff the more I believe in reincarnation. Not as the hindus believe it, I believe in it in a more genetical basis, based on Pim van Lommel discovered in his studies on veridical NDEs.
>>61115066
You missed the new earth, for heaven is a different space.
>>61119020
You can know He exists. You can meet Him. He can live in you. You can know, for sure, that He loves you.
Yes, even you.
And in death, you will receive all of the proof you thought you wanted or needed now, but of course it will be too late then to change your mind.
>>61119358
Man i definitely shouldn't have tried to get descriptive for the religious heads here.
Figured my post had basically gotten the point across that i understand there's no consciousness after death. No more getting visual for me.
>>61118684
No, we've just argued and argued
Most of us are tired of it
>>61119146
Stop spreading this bullshit meme. You clearly have not read the book of revelation. This is literally what the jews believe.
Africa and the ME are going to hell
Looks good to me
>>61119177
the bible is degenerate
i choose to live a righteous life instead of one full of self-pleasure
Here's whats the judgement day is like and you all should read this.
First, we find ourselves awake and resurrected, as conscious and aware as you are now in this moment. Everyone will be resurrected naked.
You will see people in complete chaos and mayhem, running around the place not knowing anything to do or seek, or where to go.
Ultimately, All of us are brought to where God will be the just judge, sitting down for years and years waiting for God to begin his judgement amongst the people, and separate the true from the false for one last time.
You will see every single human being judged for their actions in life. You will definitely see God's prophets, as much as you will definitely see the Sumerian kings, Adolf Hitler, Michael Jackson, kim jung un, george bush, and your dead grandfather. Everyone will be seen.
When someone's name is called, "Anon son of Anon", only he who is meant will stand up, regardless whether others have the same name.
Once he's seen, people will say "He stole from me", "He called me a bad word", "He wasn't just in his job", "He claimed a right of mine", "He corrupted my land".. Upon each one, god will take of his good deeds and give to those people he wasn't righteous with. Until each of his good deeds are taken, then the bad deeds of others are taken into his account for that he hurt and mistreated so many.
This will go on for a ridiculous amount of time, every single human who's been alive, billions upon billions, one after the other.
Before even this judgement begins, some are taken straight into heaven (those who were the most righteous), and some are taken straight into hell (those who were the most wicked).
Those who walk into heaven, will know where they shall reside as well as them knowing the directions to their house during their lives. It will be a place more familiar to them than any other.
For that, you have to pay a price during your lifetime, you have to be honest and righteous, not easy.
>>61116257
>He did, but we fucked it up.
Suppose I drive on the freeway and deliberately release the wheel while still pressing the accelerator. The car crashes somehow!
It's not my fault because the car fucked up.
>>61119038
It's His plan. First in Jerusalem, then in Judea, then Samaria, then to the ends of the earth.
I don't know if you recognize this or not, but Jesus made a tremendous splash in history.
>>61119146
I've always wondered about that. There are verses that refer to fire in the New Testament, but these usually imply the destruction of the eternal soul and not some fiery torment. Hell is just paganism infused into Christian theology via tradition and non cannon ideology.
>>61119177
Asceticism is Christian to a certain extent. Fasting has always played a part in Christian life, since the very beginning, although unlike most religions it's not mandatory, it's only really a guideline to help one grow in spirit.
Denying oneself is important, fasting and general asceticism in Christianity is kind of like "training" yourself to resist temptation, just in case you're faced with real, sinful temptation in the future, and there's nothing heretical or wrong about that in the slightest.
>>61116715
ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE ANGELS DO NOT HAVE FREE WILL BUT ONLY FOLLOW THE WILL OF GOD SO HOW THE FUCK DO THEY TURN BAD UNESS GOD IS SELF PERPETUATING
The whole concept of burning after death for being "bad" is because the bible is a bunch of jew tales, and the heebs used to toss dead convicts into lyme pits outside their cities.
I actual white religions, when you die, you either go to a place where you basically do the same shit as you did in life; it's not much different.
Or, if you died earnestly engaged in battle, you go to a great hall to fight and drink and fuck forever.
But either way, you're not punished or rewarded for saying a few words, if you want distinction and the camaraderie with your god, you have to actually fight.
Naturally these beliefs were unacceptable, as they did not call for the creation and protection of Israel, nor did they prohibit the goyim from charging usury while the jew was free to do so.
>>61119054
Dude lied, got busted, and is now crying about it.
>>61115066
No one really knows.
>>61119389
You abandoned your studies,you're a dropout.
Hell you abandoned your studies for an easier major which tells me you were not doing so well.
Why can't the "ACE" biology student refute anything I say with science?because you're a failure you took the easy way out for both your career life and your way of understanding the universe,you disgust me.
>>61119620
What if the snake was god.
>>61119368
>3. eternal damnation is a horrible fate you risk by living life. once condemned it is irreversible and better you were not born.
becoming saved is literally as easy as drinking a glass of water
>2. it cant be a sin to allow death to take place even if you have the means to stop it, because God does this every day and he is perfect.
no
>>61119620
No, according to Islam angels don't have free will.
According to the bible, in reality, and in truth, they obviously do.
Islam cannot sustain angels with free will, because it was an angel (shaitan) who talked to Mohammad for decades.
If the soul exists absent consciousness, and your physical biology can change your thoughts and behavior, then how can what you do in this life have any change on your soul?
Ergo, the soul cannot exist, or it doesn't matter if it does.
>>61118993
>Why would the gate to heaven be narrow
Lord Jesus is the way, that's why it isn't wide. Only through Him.
Matthew 7:7-8
Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
Also He is God's living Word, which means the way to be saved is through God's Word, i.e. a promise. When you give someone your word, you give them a promise. That's what it means. And it means you can't work to get there, it's a free gift.
>>61119620
>>61116715
Samael wishes man to do evil yet he remains in the presence of God
Many of the Seriphim are considered to some extent evil
>>61115066
Fedorafag here.
No, it isn't. In fact, religion is defined as a method of societal control using the fear of death and the unknown to enforce certain codes of conduct to prevent everyone from turning into rapacious thugs; but obviously it doesn't work too well with the inhabitants of the Middle East and Central/South Asia.
What death actually is, is just going into deep sleep. Your perception of reality ceases to exist just like when you're sleeping.
Now that you know what death is, hopefully it takes away your fear of it.
>>61119456
nigga I ain't dying for your assertion
>>61119521
>the bible is degenerate
top fucking kek
yeah if you hate yourself i guess asketicism would be a better ideology but dont delude yourself into thinking that you are superior or are helping anyone, youre just a demented masochist
>>61119685
Don't cut yourself on all that edge you fedora tipping faggot.
>>61119685
I finished my studies and went to law school.
Why are you obsessed with this? Because you were busted, and exposed as an idiot? That bothers you this much, on an anonymous board?
Why do you think "science" can refute God?
>>61119395
Myths are things that did not happen.
The Flood was a global catastrophe.
>>61118325
Why do you misinterpret the ten commandments to suit you than?
Why add the division between other people and jews.
>Do not kill.
It is not Do not kill, except for goyim, than it is irrelevant.
>>61119685
SCIENCE DOESN'T MATTER
I FEEL IT IN MY BODY
>>61119573
that just seems kind of silly though, to have humans pass his word along - he knows how we are... right? he made us - us humans always twist and morph things to fit our own ends.
i mean, he could have saved a lot of people's suffering by revealing himself to the whole world. instead, millions of people have died over conflict of religion.
>>61119816
why do you continue to lie to yourself and justify your hedonism by blaspheming Christianity?
Admit to yourself that you are in love with sin and self-pleasure
>>61119483
I don't think you're supposed to try and describe non-existence in the first place.
It isn't exactly within the limits of our imagination.
And I think saying that your body will get eaten by worms is redundant because reality will not or might as well not exist once you die
>>61119833
If you finished your studies, prove it.
Post degree or GTFO.
>>61119556
thats cool and all but if you are saved you are saved, it doesnt matter how much you've sinned
>>61119242
Your worldview is depressing and has no upside.
Be depressed and gain nothing by it.
>>61115066
How can you really be sure this isn't purgatory?
>>61119698
If it were as easy as saying "I believe" everyone would do it. The fact of the matter is, it's not that easy. In order to truly accept Jesus you have to follow kike morals even though Jesus technically freed us from the Law by virtue of his own death.
>>61119244
I'm not worried about them.
Im sticking to the Discworld afterlife
Everyone gets what they expect is coming to them
So Atheists get to not exist
All the Christians who secretly think they have sinned and are going to hell, go to hell
Those who expect reincarnation get it
Muslims get their shitty virgins then get to be oppressed by their God who demands complete obedience
Some of us get to chill in Paradise
>>61119698
>as easy as drinking a glass of water
>Luke 13:24
>"Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to.
>no
great argument, but how can doing the same thing as God be a sin? Furthermore, you realize people die of hunger around the world every day and you do nothing to help them, you think your inaction is some how justified because you don't see them in front of you?
>>61119941
For you
>>61119893
Thanks for the You Fin
>>61119587
Denying oneself is good in many cases when it helps yourselves or others. Denying yourself just to deny yourself is a satanic buddist-catholicuck line of thinking.
>>61119288
No, they thought they would get their rewards on earth, because the covenant they followed said they would receive their rewards on earth.
But since none of them could follow all of God's laws perfectly, all they earned were the curses. And the curses were also only on this earth.
>>61119495
>/pol/ was always christian!
good one anon
>>61119495
And this is somehow an excuse?
It's always funny to see people from protestant countries trying to talk about religion. Go suck a thousand dicks, all of you.
>>61119300
God is a King.
Loving to His children, implacable to His enemies.
And since you chose to be His enemy, you will never see His loving side unless you change your mind (repent).
>>61115066
The simple answer is no. No OP.
Deal with it.
>>61119323
You can't be a realist about death, because you have no experience with death.
>>61120130
lol god hasnt chosen enemies. Gods enemies are manufactured by human.
>>61119634
christianity is inherently anti-semitic, if we talk about the belief of judaism, not ethnicity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=typ2pl2L47k
>>61120081
>atheists from reddit trying to revision history of /pol/ to something that doesn't hurt their feelings
Adorable
>>61119359
Yes.
Be selfish.
Consent to be saved, and live in eternal joy. It's what God wants you to do.
>>61120171
Im a realist about death for not making up stories about how everything will be better after i die.
