>I fell for the "University is a waste of time and money" meme
Stay in school, kids.
I did too Ausbro, until like a month ago
>tfw all my friends are starting their third year when I'm starting my first
>everyone keeps telling me "youre smart why dont you go back to school"
>tfw
>>61011038
If you skill 4 year college, at least go to vocational school or technical school.
Just because low-level white collar work is a scam doesn't mean unskilled blue collar work is a viable career.
Get some proper training and weasel your way into a union.
>>61011038
>i have a bachelors in history
>i would have been better off getting a job.
>>61011038
Know the feel, gonna join the navy instead
I'm hopelessly dumb. I wouldn't be able to get a worthwhile degree even if I tried my hardest.
Oh well. The world needs its ditch diggers.
>>61011513
No shit what were you thinking your career options would be?
>>61011038
Depends. If you want to be an architect, medical doctor, engineer etc then go for it.
Lots of other stuff you can just do in community college for less money.
Or you can decide at 18 to just go work somewhere be making ~$50k by the time you turn 24 and have no debt.
Protip
When people who don't go to college say it's for suckers
When people who don't own their own business tell you your idea is too risky
When people without a good job tell you jobs are for suckers
When people who are broke tell you money isn't everything
They are just trying to hold you down for their own comfort
Look up the degree/profession you want, consider the average salary, top 10% salary, and mid career salary
That should tell you how much you should spend on school
>tfw been working on the water as a junior engineer and working my way up since 18
>tfw using benefits to go to school at the age of 24
>tfw hanging out with a bunch of entitled millennials as a lightly salted dude.
JUST
>>61012921
>24
>not millennial-age
Choose one (1), skipper.
>>61011038
My brother fell for that stupid meme too. How do I get him to snap out of it?
>>61012921
>24
>not millennial
ok gramps...senility has come early to you.
>>61012997
Well, technically I may be one, but I'm not as narrow-minded as one. I've experienced real work and some hard ships. I'm going to have to be around a lot of ignorant shits. Not saying all of them will be, but there will be a lot I'm sure.
My pro tip to anyone who isn't academically inclined and is still young...get a job in Costco.
Pic related. That doesn't even show the excellent pension they still have (you can contribute 4% and Costco kicks in another 5%)
You also get paid extra on a Sunday. And once you get to the top rate you also get two bonuses a year usually worth a few grand each time.
Basically if you're 18 or 19 now you'll be earning about $50k plus a nice pension by the time you're 25 to basically work in a store doing easy work all day.
>>61011038
Am I on pol or robot. Of course you need a degree in today's society. Wtf were you thinking
I would rather die in poverty than admit my incompetence by becoming a student.
>>61014363
>>61011038
>not learning a trade
>get a degree in chemistry
>learned programming on the side
>got a job programming
>>61014217
But you'd be working at Costco, no pride in that. Doctor, dentist, farmer, contractor. Costco? Get bent
>>61012805
>They are just trying to hold you down for their own comfort
This. Especially the people who love you.
The best advice you can find is usually from strangers who are indifferent towards you.
>>61014605
Believe it or not some of these kinds of people really do love the company they work for.
>>61011038
Never too late. Enrol tomorrow. Life is long.
>>61014605
Congratulations on failing to even read the first line of what I posted. Some people are never going to be Doctors or Dentists so why the fuck waste thousands of dollars a semester on some pointless degree that gets you a job that doesn't even pay well anyway.
>>61014542
>>61011038
>Brother goes to Law Uni
>5 years and many debts later
>working 10 hours for shit pay
Me
>go to trade school
>powerline technician
>gubiment pays for tuition
>2 years later making 30 bucks per hour
>tfw i fell for the trades meme
i actually feel pretty good to be honest
>>61011038
You don't need school if you're in "IT" at least, just need certs, and most of the bigger "well known" certs have so much free training online that you really don't have to pay for anything beside the exam. (Microsoft/RHEL/Cisco/Juniper/etc.) Don't bother with the CompTIA unless you want to do Govt. work, for some reason they want the useless Security+
Making ~80K simply because I can study on my own, pass an exam, and can think through a problem. Not above average intelligence, and didn't have any real advantage above anyone else. No school besides High School Diploma.
>>61015310
what trade bro?
I am pretty happy in my job. I shall of course move on and make some kind of progression. I might even go to uni if my plans require it.
Good thing I grew out of the idea of being an actor/director etc. The thing is that people doing apprenticeships are earning more than those with degrees, and they are more certain of following the same career as their course.
>>61012354
I kept planning on changing when i figured out what i wanted. I never did
>>61012805
>Look up the degree/profession you want, consider the average salary, top 10% salary, and mid career salary
This is excellent advice. I paid a lot for school but it's paying off now that I'm making a six figure salary right out of grad as an engineer. Then I have friends who did completely useless majors and are now swarmed with debt; they would have been much better off going to trade school or a community college.
>>61014605
Implying pride means anything.
>live in applachia
>by the time I finish highschool have A+,Net+ CCNA and MCSE all certed up.
>go to college for computer science
>end up opening a few sites for some extra income
>gradurate and fight out no IT jobs in applachia
>become a rural carrier mailman end up making 75k after gas and vehicle expenses
>mailmam job pays so damn start buying up properties and using my carpenter skills my dad taught me to make rental units
>also seem to run acrossed hipsters with dumb degrees are bawk when they find im a mailman
All dat pride. Ironically my father who is a princeton drop out (dropped out and became a jehovah witness) ended up moving to applachia and couldnt find a job and becane a mailman too.
I fell for the wagecuck meme.
I quit my job and became a NEET thinking I'd use all this free time for self improvement.
My sleep schedule is fucked up, I do nothing all day but sleep 12 hours and shitpost on 4chan. I haven't left the house in 2 months and my parents are threatening to kick me out.
I've never felt more hopeless and lethargic in my life.
>>61011038
>I fell for the "/pol/ is always right" meme
>>61011038
University IS a waste of time and money.
What do you want to be? Marine biologist? Look it up online, study the fuck out of it, go to an interview, wow them with your abilities.
No employer cares about your degree unless it's all you have to prove you're not a worthless shit.
This is why programmers who never spent a minute in college get the same jobs that kids who took 5 years of basketweaving with one c++ course get.
tl;dr if you're not a worthless faggot you can learn shit on your own, if you're a beta cuck who needs more shit on your stupid resume go to college you dirty chad
>>61012921
6 years navy, got my mmd, 2 years sailing, now 3rd eng making 6 figures, 28 no debt all money
>feels good bro
>Waste of money
>Literally getting paid by the college you're attending and not owing a single fucking cent.
Pick one
>>61017026
Damn, didn't know that mailmen made that much. With a CCNA and MCSE (they brought it back after the MCITP again right?) the market is pretty soft, not too hard to find a job right now in IT, at least in my area (central PA).
>>61014605
Tons of people fail out of med school or are trapped in the college scam
having a costco pension puts you leagues ahead of them
who cares about pride
since its free in germoney its always worth it
also ppl hire you just because of the degree and not because you are actually skilled.
>>61011038
>Was in college getting my Electrical Engineering degree
>Through administrative fuck up end up owing them 2000$ that has to be paid before I can continue
>Really pissed off about it because I had no money and no job
>Was really thinking about leaving school and moving on to something else
>After months of looking for a job and not getting anything (except a seasonal gig which sucked) went to temp agency
>Set me up with a job I started working last week
>Factory
>Food prep, ready to eat (RTE), putting pieces of chicken into a big grinder
>Constantly having to pick up big buckets/bus bins/trays
>Working around criminals and possible illegal immigrants
Lifting 40-80 pounds from near the floor (Nothing is suppose to be on the floor) and putting them up to height level is fucking killing me. And the racks they have there aren't sturdy and the trays are sliding around all over the place. I woke up this morning and could barely move. But I need to pay this shit off so I can go back to school and get my law abiding suburban ass a white collar job.
>tfw want to shoot myself this morning
>Can't tell if I am fucking up my back
>Got a email from one of the help desk jobs IT I applied for
>Want me to have a drivers licenses and A+ certification
>Have neither
>Want to shoot my self further
>Then remember I am in no guns city
>>61015777
Best and easiest/fastest/cheapest ways into IT?
>>61011038
This gives a good idea OP
>>61011038
>enjoy architecture
>go to school for architecture
>work as an architectural intern
>become registered architect
>tfw stayed in school
>feels good mane
I USED TO BE FUCKING SMART A GRADE STUDENT
Somehow i cant find the motivation anymore. I stopped my second study within 6 months, instead i am playing H1Z1 all the time and working my part-time job.
>>61011513
High school history teachers in Denmark are paid quite well. Like, upper-middle class.
>>61018014
>>61017922
>Best and easiest/fastest/cheapest ways into IT?
https://www.codecademy.com/learn
http://learnpythonthehardway.org/
http://sql.learncodethehardway.org/book/
http://c.learncodethehardway.org/
Enjoy
>>61018161
I know that feel nederbro
w-we're all gonna make it brahs
>>61018215
IT not programming
Get an A+ cert and that's it your in IT
>>61017922
You need to figure out what you like, programming, networking, servers, etc. Then just youtube up, hit the exam, and drop the resumes.
First 6mo-year will be entry position obviously. Learn everything that you can and take all of the different kinds of work that you can get your hands on to show that what you lack in XP you have in potential; it's really worth more to have potential sometimes since IT is constantly changing.
>>61011038
Associates Degrees are the most cost effective degree you can get. You don't have to go to University to be useful.
>>61011038
Uni is a waste of time if you don't have a goal in mind that you work towards.
>>61011700
>ITT: The proof this board is just intellectual niggers who spend their time doing nothing to help the society yet complain about actual niggers
keking so hard my dudes.
>>61018505
Well, seeing as he didn't really mention exactly what field of IT, I just assumed programming, as that seems to be what most people are interested in.
>2015
>not making silly Android games and making money off of retards who pay for DLC and more customization options
>>61012921
we're getting old dude
>>61018292
All i got left now is my pretend-to-be-smart and basic-knowledge of everything. But i wont make it that far in life with just that
>>61014217
this.
started when i was 17. im 27 now. ill get 2+mil when im 65. costco stock has almost doubled since ive payed into it.
became a supervisor at 20 (bumped me to 25/hr) and made 55k a year, still living with my parents. get 2 $2200 bonus a year.
put 70k down payment on my house and drive an rx7.
thanks costco.
>>61018505
Any recommendations on where to get the A+ cert from?
I have 2 AA's from CC and will be going to a uni this fall, but realized too late that IT is more my thing.
I'm going to try to get a certification to work in the film industry because I live in Georgia.
>>61011178
At least you enrolled back to uni. It could have been worse.
>>61018193
This statement is the sole proof that Denmark is a great place to live.
>inb4 cockroaches not allowed
>tfw fairly well known hip hop producer
>tfw was a drug addict up until 22
>tfw decide to go back to school at 23
>tfw production starts blowing up, getting upwards of 15,000$ for one instrumental
>Tfw make nearly 500,000$ in 2 years
>tfw still finishing my school work
Stay in school.
>>61019158
That's neat but you still work at Costco, live with your parents, and have a leaf on your flag.
>27
>never had a serious job
>didn't complete high school
>never asked a girl out
>honestly believe I'm developing some serious condition in my righy heardrum (got a serious tinnitus noise) but have no will to go to the doctor to check this out
>car broke (I had one from 1994 that was super cheap)
>creeping depression
I just live in a state if depression 24/7. People around me are happy, can laugh and talk whereas I might as well be an alien.
I wish for at the very least, for female companionship. But just don't know how to. Women feel so out of reach no mater what I try. It doesn't help I'm 5'8. Girls are this tall. They intimidate me.
>>61014527
Dentist is a trade
>>61014605
>caring about what others think
What a fucking cuck
>>61017026
Well, your main issue was not going to the jobs and being tied down by family.
CompSci doesn't permit relationships.
>>61020526
I know those feels. All my peers have skyrocketed ahead of me in life an I'm just stuck in a rut. there is no hope and I'm getting too old too fast.
>>61020526
convince a friend to go with you to a club and get laid.
If I had any friends I would do the same thing.
>>61020526
go travellling. get a shitty job, save 2k€ and go travelling several months in south east asia
>>61017383
>No employer cares about your degree unless it's all you have to prove you're not a worthless shit.
Which is why so many list them as requirements, right?
>>61020968
>he didn't try applying anyways
They're there to weed out low confidence fags like you
>>61011038
Same, going back this year.
Wish you luck ausbro.
Jobs are a myth
>>61020526
Things won't get better unless you do something.
>>61018509
Well I am not exactly sure where I would make a good fit in IT
I am guessing networking, network+ maybe servers. I am not sure how well I would do in programming
>>61018505
this>>61019392
what would be the cheapest way to get A+ cert.
>>61022005
A+ a shit
Cisco is where it's at IT brose
>>61019620
Cockroaches not allowed.
>>61022005
Skip the CompTIA stuff, if you want to get your feet wet do:
Cisco - CCENT
Microsoft MCP (it's called something else now)
I can't speak for the *nix certs, or programming.
>>61022758
>I can't speak for the *nix certs, or programming.
Oracle has certs for java programming
Red Hat has linux certs
not sure about other languages
>Family is full of engineers, writers, and the like
>They've been upset with me for the last 2 years
>Have no desire to go to school
>turning 20 in 4 days
>no career-related life goals
>realize I'm a fuck up
I guess I'll be a welder or something
>>61023671
Anything for Debian? I guess rhel would work, I just haven't touched it much.
>>61020526
i'm sort of in this boat. i'm 27 as well, and i didn't actually graduate high school but got my diploma anyway due to a technicality, and i've ever only had one job in my life.
the good news is that i start a new job tomorrow. i'm afraid of messing up and making a fool of myself, but i'd just end up laughing it off if i did.
you can make it. just be wary of the hordes roaming across europe.
>>61022345
>>61022758
All right so lets say I wanted to take the CCNET exam. How would I go about it and how much would it cost?
Do I have to got to a school/college?
can I just sign up somewhere and go to a physical location?
I searched it in google and I am only questions and courses.
>>61022005
If you want to work with servers, just getting some PHP under your belt shows that you're interested in the job.
>>61011038
Ultimately, a university degree is an investment in your future salary. If you were to design a bunch of Java applications and learn C++ scripting you'll get a job, but you're at a big disadvantage if you want to get a 6 digit salary when you retire.
>>61024518
20 is a pretty young age for thinking about fucking up big time. Motivation can come up later (even in years) and you still have enough time for starting something new.
>>61019685
Hi Noah Shebib, can I be your apprentice?
>>61021507
>employer sees application
>no bachelors degree listed
>instantly into the shredder
I have an A.A in Anthropology. What the fuck should I be doing
>>61026330
T.A. for university professors ?
>(24k CAD salary kek)
>>61019685
How the fuck does school have to do with anything you fucker
There's 18 year old kids doing what you do on a laptop with fruity loops getting paid by Eminem to make them nigga beets. I think the moral of your story is "install some music production software and make 4/4 beats for money"
>>61017114
Get a bike and ride around pretty places places. You'll feel better about yourself and the world
>>61026330
choose a better field
Tfw when getting an associate of arts from fucking community college, but barely draw anymore due to depression and should probably change major for something reasonable but lack of motivation and depression makes it difficult. I don't even have any interests anymore and want to die everyday, but I'm too pathetic to kill myself.
>>61025571
No school or college. You'll want to check here for your testing center - http://home.pearsonvue.com/test-taker.aspx . That's not just Cisco, tons of cert programs use PearsonVue.
I think it's about 150$ now? Someone that may have taken it more recently could confirm, or just run through the site and it will tell you before checkout.
If you can get a CBT nuggets or INE subscription it would be the easiest. Definitely doable without though.
-search youtube for free training
-search the Cisco site for the exam blueprint (list of topics)
-know subnetting by the back of your hand
-acquire PacketTracer for labs
-OR PREFERABLY
-Install GNS3 and acquire an IOS image to setup labs
(Packet Tracer is not technically free but you can find it. It's a SIMULATOR, so it doesn't exactly work like real equipment. GNS3 is an EMULATOR, it runs real router code, and aside from any software bugs, it's the real deal. It's pretty easy to setup now, was a bit more complicated a few years back)
>>61026565
I was thinking of learning a desert language and trying for a government job
might work but idk
>>61027818
How about for the networking side? What certs would be most helpful for something entry level?
>>61011038
>tfw computer engineer with really solid writing skills and self-taught but credited statistic skills.
Grab a udemy course and pull yourself up guys!
I believe in you!
TRUMP believes in you!
>>61029272
That's what I described, the CCENT
>>61027818
You sir are a saint over the summer when I paid my school bill I am gonna be all over that CCENT
I sell garbage, and I pay for everything I need.
>>61030162
Frig off Rick
>>61027349
Can't get antidepressants ?
Start exercising. Gives you free dopamine. Won't guarantee you get out of the rut, but helps.
Alternatively, disappear for a month and catch a bus to nowhere. Possibly stress of being an artist (been there done that, was a musician now a programmer) is killing you and you can't fix it by staying in that mindset. Dissapearing would change your mind set.
>>61028946
Don't trust me on anything I say I'm just free thinking...
If your funds and GPA are high enough to consider an post-grad study on the Middle East; It's a humongous field that probably would appreciate more researchers.
I would imagine knowing Arabic would almost be essential to doing a thesis on it and then you would probably get a higher chance of promotion in working in an international affairs position.
>>61030364
Is that a thing from trailer park boys? I was being serious.
>>61030688
Interesting. I'm pretty poor but I have a decent GPA(3.7). I'm interested in learning Farsi. Do you think it'd be worthwhile or would Arabic be the better choice? Ideally knowing both would be the most beneficial I think; but I'm not sure how long that would take me.
>university is a waste of time and money
shame this meme ever got propagated or believed at all. Like a law, accounting, comp sci, business or engineering degree could ever be useless. Who the fuck do you think works in all of these offices? Random plebs fresh out of high school with """"connections""""? Dont be retarded. The more you learn, the more you earn.
>>61014719
That was some Shakespearean shit lad
>>61014217
>canadian money
>>61031223
Well, having taken one course on Middle Eastern history, Iran is cooler than Saudi Arabia.
Ultimately both, though. At 3.7 you're probably a very driven guy.
>>61011038
>Started furniture business
>worked hard, studied a lot (things related to my biz )
>became a FUCKING EXPERT ON MY BUSINESS
>Shit went well, dropped off college for a year
>Shit went VERY well, never came back
>Now 5 years later make 10-15 times more money than my old classmates.
>my business still has the potential to grow 100 times bigger, they will never be rich.
>Feelsgoodman.jpg
HOWEVER, it was risky AND VERY HARD (cried a lot).
But the thing that nobody sees is that going to school is actually the EASY WAY.
Having a business is very hard, but VERY VERY REWARDING. It teaches you A LOT about yourself ( I didnt know I was a crybaby).
YOU HAVE TO GO ALL IN ANON, DONT START A BUSINESS AND GIVE IT A WEAK SHOT!! POUR YOUR FUCKING SOUL ANON. Y O U R S O U L.
Seriously, I think everybody should give it a try :)
>>61032195
>MEXICAN
>BUISNESS
I DONT EVEN
>>61032195
You leraned everything on the internet?
>>61011178
tfw 22 and first year in uni
You guys have it easy.
>>61032195
>>61032706
And where did you get your initial capital to start your business?
Are you a retailer or you manufacture your own furnitures?
>>61018193
Better start learning danish
>>61011038
Of course social retards on 4chan will tell you that. You're not going to get a job solely with a degree, you also need to network.
You can network without a degree and get a decent job, but networking with a degree is more likely to get you a much better job, sooner.
Even arts degrees can be pretty useful if you're not socially awkward and have a network of people who can help you.
This meme has always been a projection.
>>61032606
you can make a lot on money in any country
>>61032706
EVERYTHING. The only thing that contributed to my business that I didnt learnn on the internet was accounting. I took a single accounting class at college at it was more than enough. But obviously you can learn accouting on the internet.
when I started I didnt even know how to use a saw to cut the wood. Now I am basically an expert. My competitors buy overpriced shit from the US and hire overpriced US people to make the machines work. I dont do that, I research and do it all by myself, and get better results.
If you know how to research the world is yours
>>61033110
I am a manufacturer. My uncle gave my dad and I 20,000 pesos (1100 dollars) to start the business. Basically nothing.
We bought old, underpowered saws, drills, etc. You could literally find better machines in the garage of the average american.
Of course, we started selling one project at a time.
The secret of my success is 'Lean Manufacturing'. We became very good at production, and reinvested everything we could.
If you are interested in manufacturing I can recommend some books
>>61033153
>Networking
Here you have to be son of someone important or friend of some self entitled cunt to get something, if not you are fucked or maybe you have to be Mr social psicopat and suck dicks
>>61011038
I think you meant to say, "I didn't try hard enough." I didn't go to college and I am now the vice president of a software company that I didn't have a hand in founding with no connections in the industry. You just fucked up mate.
>>61011038
>be me
>never went to uni
>shit tier homeschool degree because parents were cultists
>started pursuing security
>catapulted into law enforcement because of meme magicks
>now make 45k a year, while mostly watching YouTube
>projected to make upwards of 60k a year if I promote or switch agencies
Went entirely better than expected
>>61034751
>>61033968
;__;
Anon no quiero menospreciar tu esfuerzo y tu dedicacion, realmente te felicito por progresar tanto y me pone contento que te vaya bien en tu negocio SIN un degree.. pero tu tienes algo que yo nunca tendre, un padre que me ayude...
Tirame unos nombres de libros si puedes
>>61034751
I'm sure your clients appreciated your 'lean manufacturing' aka poor quality work.
>>61034751
>>61035453
Leaner manufacturer, smart move anon
>>61035970
I think you meant, "Beaner Manufacturer." Amirite?
>>61034751
recommend some books please
>>61035770
Shut up cunt, go eat a burger and pay yoyr debts
>>61026729
>There's 18 year old kids doing what you do on a laptop with fruity loops getting paid by Eminem to make them nigga beets.
There really isn't though and it goes to show how stupid you actually are that you think that.
Put it this way, any worthwhile producer has spent more on gear than you spent on your car
>didn't know what I wanted to do with my life
>did research, found STEM was where the money was at
>went into uni to become EE
>absolutely hated it, scraped by with a 2.5
>unemployable now as well
What went wrong?
>>61036203
Everyone knows poor quality latino work, and nobody wants it. Go be black somewhere else.
>>61036909
Kek you literally buy chinesse manufactured work since years
>>61036230
God music people are annoying.
Or maybe it's the addict side coming out and all that narcisstic NA/AA talktomuch disease.
>inb4 defense
I shot my share of the shite too, just shut up already
It's a counter reaction to the student debt crisis, which seems like a ploy to create educated slaves (because marijuana convicts generally can't be used to make your websites or balance your books).
In the recent state of the union address, Obama said that education should become affordable for everyone. This has a perfect parallel to when Bush said the same thing about property, in either case these political parties have identified something they feel all Americans should have and have attempted to create systems that benefit investors whilst still providing for consumers.
Unfortunately, this still has all the trademarks of any debt crisis and this is especially evident with rising youth unemployment, just as failing house prices caused the 08 recession. The interesting is that when everything defaults, how do you take someone's education away in any way similar to taking their property? You can't, so I only assume the end result would be debt slavery and forcing graduates to not declare bankruptcy.
Not saying it's not a good idea to get an education, just be careful about what career it's preparing you for. If it's not something that can feasibly pay back the loan...
this
>>61036657
As much as it sounds like cringe/meme, you probably should of done something you could at least tolerate doing or even liked.
>>61036657
you scraped by
Thank you Anon
>tfw I fell for the "political science is a useful degree" meme.
>>61037792
That was never even a meme anon. You're just a fucking idiot.
>>61035453
Muchas gracias. No te desanimes, puedes hacer las cosas solo o no necesariamente tiene que ser tu padre quien te ayude
.>>61036198
>>61036203
In order (first are introductory, last are advanced):
>Lean production simplified, Pascal Dennis
>Lean thinking, james womack
>gemba kaizen ( a common sense low cost approach to management), Masaki Imai
>The toyota way, liker
>A study of the toyota production system from an industrial engineering point of view, shigeo shingo.
Basically the books from this list http://www.sme.org/leanreading/. You can take tests and get a certification to offer consulting or even a job.
Read them in order, you dont need enginerring knowledge.
I think I downloaded them from http://gen.lib.rus.ec/
Good luck!! They are very helpful
>>61034779
Step 1: Be social and enthusiastic
Step 2: Be good at what you do (optional depending on how good you are at step 1)
Step 3: Do things which constantly remind those around you how much value you have in your field, or just constantly remind people that you exist through various means (social media, college/uni programs)
Step 4: Inquire among your contacts for job openings, or offer your contacts your talents for their projects
Step 5: Don't be a socially awkward, bitter and unlikable person
Congratulations, you now have a job, friends and possibly a girlfriend.
>>61036657
You're not unemployed. You've just given up looking for opportunities.
If you have to work for free for a year to get the GPA off of your resume and show your employer you can do the job then do that.
>tfw fell for the "life" meme
what do bros
>>61037988
Muchisimas gracias por compartir tu informacion conmigo, la manera en que produce toyota es digna de admiracion haciendo productos a pedido del cliente al rededor del mundo sin quedar con stock de mas.
Supongo que si no tengo padre a lo mejor tendre que asociarme con alguien o hacerlo solo :D
Suerte en tu negocio espero que crezca mucho
>>61038099
Arnt you just a wealth of information.
How about (you) stop projecting your morality on people.
>white knighting
>2016
Fukn stop
>>61011038
At least you are in Australia and can do a retardedly easy entrance test that only rules you out of a few courses, and have time in the world to realise what you want to do, and what your goals are and still get student allowance.
Think of all the naive seppos on here that would have bought into le cultural Marxism SJW brainwashing factory meme pushed by previous basket cases shielding their failures.
>>61038099
>Congratulations, you now have a job, friends and possibly a girlfriend.
Lol thanks for the advices my fellow strayacunt :D
>>61037403
>God music people are annoying.
How is that?
If I said that anyone with a hammer, nails and a saw can be a carpenter it is the exact same idea
>>61038099
>don't be bad
Prime advice from a continent of shit.
>>61038869
De nada amigo, animo, con solo saber ingles ya estas adelante de muchisima gente. Tienes basicamente acceso a informacion ilimitada.
Espero a que te animes a hacerlo, ya que pienso que nosotros como latinoamericanos esto es lo que debemos hacer. Ponernos a trabajar en serio para darle empleo a nuestra gente y hacer que todo crezca, YA QUE EL GOBIERNO NUNCA LO HARA.
Muchas gracias hermano mucha suerte! Confio en ti. amor y paz para Argentina
>Be from 3rd world shithole
>Dreamed about studying in burgerland
>Promised that I will make a better living for my family
>Hoping that my job can suffice my family back in 3rd world shithole
>Go to burgerland 4 month after graduating from HS
>Go to a medium-top university in the state
>Triple majoring in political science, geography, and arabic
>Working in uni 20hrs/week, $9/hr salary
>Still have spare time to socialize, playing games, and wandering through places
>tfw the only thing that you miss id your family 10,000 miles away
>>61037403
Actual music producer here
leaf faggot is full of shit
a producer's tools is only as good as the person using them
u can go far on very little, just need smarts/creativity.
>>61011038
You can always go back you goose. I'm 28 and in my third year. Quit whining and enroll.
If the economy keeps going I have shit lined out with back up professions and retirement caters for extra cash. Not going to need any school for any of them except pilots license. I'm set bud. Computers have all the jobs man. Learn to computer for the big bucks. Also languages. Learn the basics for German Russian Spanish French and then Arabic Hebrew and so on. It's really not hard people do it all the time. It just takes dedication and sacrifice. 23 right now. Making 52k a year no degree. Only gets better from here.
>>61040654
what country?
>>61041248
capital city just got ackbar'd yesterday
>>61040468
Tus palabras realmente me llegaron mexianon, un abrazo grande
>>61018014
>foreign languages
>suicide tier
implying the government wouldn't kidnap you and employ you if you're fluent in urdu, pashto, persian, arabic, and chinese
electrical engineer third year gearing up for my co op that'll give me 30k over the course of 5 months
>>61040345
>don't be bad
Cheers for the summary, cunt. As long as people acknowledge that their failure is their own and not a result of the education system or employment system.
>24
>went to technical school
>oil price crash basically destroyed any hope of finding a job
>thinking about studying something else
>literally have no idea what to do because it seems every field is saturated, was thinking of IT maybe because I basically spend most of my free time on the computer anyways
At least I have no debt
>>61018193
Nice.
>>61032782
24 and first year
Yeah just dont fuckin study law. About to finish and wish I never went to uni....
18 year olds should not be allowed to pick degrees
>>61017922
A+ cert is so easy to get just do it
>>61035038
stay based
>>61043533
I'll be 25 when i start
lol only niggers dont go to collage
>>61011038
>tfw chemistry major but like the dumbest kid in my class
It's hard but at least chemistry is super employable
>>61011038
That's my excuse but in reality I failed 4 classes.
So from reading this thread I learned that I should just go to some trade school and slay poon through trade?
How can I weigh this with the become a muhreen, kill civies, then become a power hungry nigger killer cop life path?
Decide my future /pol/
Parents are willing to pay for med school, but I know for a fact I'll never get accepted due to my shit gpa. Otherwise it's kaplan, but that's boring desu senpai
Wish I could just shut myself in my apartment all day and shitpost on 4chan but fuck it
Help me pol
>>61045235
I always imagine a post-happening situation. I believe that people that know trades would be of more use than the rest.
>>61045235
quit being a faggot and do a science, preferably a real one like chemistry or physics
>>61011038
>25
>want to pursue Architecture really badly
>6-7 years in school
>gonna be in my 30s looking for an entry-level job
I don't know if I even should.
>>61029414
I would have tried to keep going in comp eng, but with everything my family puts me through I just don't have the finances to keep doing it.
I'm moving out in a day or less and gonna apply for apprenticeship to become an electrician. Once I get enough years I'll move to the US or Japan for work depending on how those countries will be by 2022.
>>61045868
are you the canadian guy from the thread on /int/ ?
>>61035770
>lean manufacturing
>Amerilard instantly associates the word 'lean' with 'bad'
No wonder USA's manufacturing industry is dying as fast as the CAD
tfw 21 and didn't do a damn thing since high schoo except work 2 shifts a week at security
tfw have no fucking clue what i want to do
tfw have zero ambitions and my ultimate goal is to move into the forest and avoid humanity and make music by myself
what does someone like me even fucking do?
>>61046097
yeah that's me
>>61046378
Move to the countryside and herd cattle/goats or fish.
That's my dream.
>>61046550
how do i do this with no money, but completely have no desire to get any sort of good job to earn money just to ultimately abandon society?
i want off this wild ride. there is nothing for me in society, and i would be much happier by myself
>>61037792
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
>>61046647
get a tent, build yourself a wooden cabin, it's not very hard, and live off the earth
the first settlers did it so why not you ?
>>61018505
Programming isn't IT. It's software engineering. Note that "front-end developing" isn't programming either.
>>61020963
SEA is a shithole though
>fell for the "Public School is pure jew propoganda" meme
>be long haul truck driver
>no post-secondary education
>making about 90-100k/yr
>sperglord with no friends or family, so I just put money away constantly
>approaching my first million
>still feel the same as when I was unemployed.
>>61044788
I wish you the best of luck. It's never too late
>>61047124
What do you need to become truck driver, besides the driving license of course ?
>tfw going to 4 year university for free
>tfw ok at math and could probably do decent at a lower level uni
>every mildly useful field is filled up with the ~30% of the student body that is from China/India
>tfw going to waste 4 years of my life and get a meme degree
My other option is to just get a 2 year degree at a local community college my mom works at so i have free tuition there too.
Honestly, should I just drop out of my Uni and get a 2 yr degree instead of getting a liberal arts degree?
>>61045993
I manage an electrical contracting company. Basically you just work through tradeschool and get your journeyman's/master's electrician license. If you choose to work for some company, you can make ~80k a year as a foreman. Or you can start your own contracting company and make well over that working for yourself with more personal freedom.
Depending on the area you can make 6 figures easily.
Pro-tip: GET INTO SELLING/INSTALLING SOLAR PANEL SYSTEMS AS SOON AS YOU CAN. People pay ridiculous amounts of money for it.
>>61047319
>getting a liberal arts degree
>>61047217
I got a student loan to take a private 3 week truck driving course. Afterwards they basically gave us a big list of employers to contact, so the it pretty much paid itself off.
I'm not sure about Europe though.
>>61047319
If you can get an associates in computer science(NOT technology) or engineering at the community college, do that instead. CivilE is piss easy.
If none of those sound appealing, you're better off trying trade school instead of college.
>I fell for the game design meme
I left after like 4 months but the damage was done.
>>61011038
Bussiness management will allow you to work superviser positions and make decent change.
>>61027818
im pretty young being 19 and havent had much guidance on where to go. i enjoy programming, have c#, c, and some c++ under my belt. first year uni but second year went to a jc. would a cert + associates be worth investing for myself rather than finishing out college. also what kind of cert and tutorials should i be looking for, thanks
>>61047124
Start making that money work for you man, invest it or buy property to rent out.
Then you can work elsewhere or get an education while money rolls in. Just my .2
>>61047469
I just cant compete with rich chinks at my uni for any other field senpai
>>61047618
I was thinking the same. I really dont need a 6 figure job. I'm extremely frugal and managed to live comfortably in an apartment with a roommate while both of us just worked at Walmart. Obviously that's not ideal in the long term though. If I could get a job as a mail/garbageman I'd be fine
I do think a trade school would be more up my alley. But would it be worth dropping out of one of the best unis in the state (for free kind you)even if I cant get a useful degree? That's what I've been mulling over
>>61047859
No because IT is useless if you can actually program. Computer science jobs pay more starting and have the have the highest peak salary with just a BSc
>>61014217
How hard would it be to get a job at Costco if it's literally my first ever job?
Currently getting an associates in liberal arts at community college because idk what I want to do.
Going to a 4 year college afterwards to study either marketing or meteorology because those are all I'm interested in.
What tier is marketing & meteorology?
>>61047690
>tfw
I completed a year then bailed this fall. I would've gotten an IT job at the end anyway but it wouldn't be worth the cost of the university.
And the pure awfulness of that college's environment.
>>61047993
See if you can get into the engineering or computer science programs at your current university. It's never too late to switch. I switched to electrical engineering after my junior year of college, finishing EE and Math in 6 years. Now I have a pretty easy "consulting analyst" job where I just sit on my computer doing nothing half of the time, so I started managing a local electrical company while I'm at it.
I have tons of family members that didn't go to college, but went to trade school for plumbing/electrical work/HVAC instead. They all make well over $50k minimum, some make over $100k a year. There are occasional overtimes where they work saturday or sunday and get paid double their hourly wage so there's a lot of room for money if you're willing to work for it.
>>61011038
I fell for the having a degree will make you succeed meme. don't stay in school kids, unless you get a STEM degree and/or have connections that will guarantee a nice job when you get out.
>Went to Connecticut after graduating from highschool
>Started working a blue collar job, diesel mechanic assistant
>$32/hour
>Went to college, made a degree in administration
>Went back here
>$14.50/hour
>Check for jobs in the states
>The higher rents and shit aren't worth the extra bucks I could make there.
I would had loved to fall to that meme.
>>61011038
>mfw I'm 18 and I'll start law school in one month
Success is derivative of two things: intelligence and drive. You can have one or the other, but you won't get far unless you have both.
That's why some people drop out of high school to become millionaires and other complete their doctorates to bag groceries.
>>61048455
>law
There is no demand whatsoever for you
>>61048455
Law is terrible
>>61011038
yeah...now I'm 25 and I truly regret it.
>>61011430
same here...should I go back? Or at 25 is too late?
>I fell for the "fight the eternal jew" meme
>>61048455
Law actually might be the worst financial/time investment you can make based on the expected value of income. Unless you got a full fellowship to Columbia.
>>61019158
>bragging about owning an Rx7
>>61048619
>>61048535
>>61048509
Wtf are you guys talking about? I can do a lot of stuff with a law school degree.My father is friends with an owner of a big law firm so I already have a job as an intern after the first year (I think it's after the first year)
>>61047690
I almost fell for that.
>>61048791
>nepotism
>>61048791
>mooching off of daddy
I didn't expect much drive or work ethic since you're BR, but you still managed to disappoint me.
>>61048558
A 33yo garbage collector formed in medicine with books that he found on the trash here in hueland,no,25 is not too late.
http://g1.globo.com/distrito-federal/noticia/2014/09/com-livros-achados-no-lixo-morador-do-df-aprende-ler-e-se-torna-medico.html
>>61048558
>same here...should I go back? Or at 25 is too late?
For university?
no, you go as a mature student (over the age of 21 usually) - you'll discover some universities have almost 50% mature students on their courses because mature students are less likely to dick around like entitled school leavers. I did computer engineering and we had a bunch of people in their 40s and 50s from Pfizer, Microsoft and a bunch of other places.
For college (i.e. A-level, BTEC level 3 (never do less than lvl 3 if you want to get to uni after)?
no, there are many colleges where you'll get people of any age just like at university attending. When I was 17, I had 25 year olds on my college course (a BTEC).
Colleges also offer GCSEs if you need these to do A-levels, though that will put you another year back if you do a quick course or two if you do the normal time.
>>61048315
Honestly I dont think I'll have any way of getting into engineering or comp sci here. I'm retaking basic shit at the community college I mentioned over the summer because I took 2 years off and now have a lot of holes. Even at my best though, I dont think I can get into those
I've given serious thought to the Navy or just doing some shitty job like any kind of sailor just so i can travel
>>61048831
>>61048942
If I fuck up I'll get fired just like any other employee.I'm not mooching off of anyone,he offered me the job,we hunt and fish together,we are fucking friends,is it wrong to help your friends?
>>61024518
you're not a fuck up m8, you're too young to be one and you have lots of time to do something productive with your life
>>61047124
my uncle did the same. he's 55 and making $100k/yr. it's never too late lol
>become a history tutor at my CC
>later become an SI for Modern World Civilizations
>go to a well renown school for my last 2 years
>still tutor/SI
>get BA with 3.89
>go for my MA in Mexican History
>two years after earning my MA, all my work experiences, good grades, good schools, and connections pays off and I land a full time teaching gig
>can't wait for tenure to redpill as many as faggots as possible
>30% of the History majors I knew from undergrad are unemployed
>50% of the other are doing jobs they hate
>roughly all of them are liberals
There liberal tears give me a hard on.
>>61049364
>There
*Their
>>61024518
Do you work?
>>61049082
Don't do navy unless you know you want to get paid for college when your service ends.
Just go to trade school, try a couple of apprenticeships to get paid, and then decide if you're ok with doing exactly that(but getting increasingly higher wages) for the rest of your life.
>>61024518
Man, I'm 25 and I come from a family which has (on mother's side) doctors, bishops, engineers, uni teachers, artists...I studied to be a screenplay writer and I ended up working in an hotel. You are 20, you are still in time to go back to school; the question is: do you want it? And I don't mean it like "would you like it?"; no: do you really plan on putting all your energies, all your effort, all your mind and body in a topic, studying it, gutting and ripping it to its core to understand and discern what makes it so unique and valuable for you, your career, tour future? Now, answer me, with an honest and open heart.
>>61049042
>>61049050
Thanks guys, I'll save some money and in a couple of years I'll give it a try (I was thinking to move to Glasgow and start Uni over there: any Scot who can give me some infos? I'm not an Anglo)
>>61011430
Iktfb
>>61049395
In kitchens
>>61049472
>do you want it?
Nope. That's why I'm not there. Several times I was told by my mother "you get out what you put in." I thought it over and realized, despite having a wide array of interests, I didn't care about school enough to make it worthwhile. I might like welding though and the course is only 5 weeks. Plus, I'm in the same place as the most important shipyard in North America and one of my neighbors hires welders, so it seems like the right way to go at the moment
>TFW work at McDonald's
Lol
>>61049687
Aren't Scots eligible for student loans with the SLC or do you have a different system to us English? Have you already been to university and dropped out?
Just a heads up about student loans with SLC - if you were to go on a typical 3 year course, you get 4 years of student loans available.
If you drop out during, say, year 2, that means you have used two years of student loans available to you (even if you left after just one week of attending the course, though I'm sure there is an appeals process for this or something).
So you've used two years, out of a total of four years worth, while you were on a three year course, effectively giving you two years left of remaining loans.
That means if you apply to do another three year course, two of those three years will be covered still by student loans, but you'll have to fund the first year yourself.
It's kind of a second chance system, so long as you don't fuck up your first university opportunity too hard (i.e. grin and bear it but drop out at the very last moment).
I have an opportunity to go back next spring.
I was thinking of studying finance. any advice?
Any Canada bros here wanna tell me how hard it is to get in as a citizen from America?
I would love to move to either Quebec City or Nova Scotia soon.
>Tfw all my friends are doing masters/phD or honours at the very least
>tfw grades only good enough for the standard 3 year degree
>tfw my parents think I'm a lazy disappointment
I feel shite lads
My grade average is 50%, and I need minimum 70% to get into honours
This is my third year :/
>drop out of highschool and become a shutin
>mother enables it
>dies when I turn 18
>oh fuck
>could just send my brother to live with my dad but say fuck it
>sell the house, move somewhere more remote and buy a house
>literally enough profit from the house to live while being a NEET for the next decade
property is a meme
>>61014217
Costco shill confirmed
So what is the best way for someone going on 24 with ~55k in the bank to get their shit together?
>>61047433
The apprenticeship program my local union offers takes 5 fuckin years where i'll be making 12 dollars an hour. Is this normal?
>>61011178
Uni is best once you have some life experience. Get a trade or do something for 5 years or so, then go to uni. You'll actually have some perspective and enjoy the experience much more.
>>61052381
Forgot to add, because after 5 - 10 years or so you can go back to uni and do what you really want to do and have an interest in.
Instead of meme degress like law and "arts"
>>61012414
>Or you can decide at 18 to just go work somewhere be making ~$50k by the time you turn 24 and have no debt.
spotted the boomer
>>61052288
yes if you only make that for the first year, if that's all you make all 5 years then no it's not you should get a $2-3 raise each year to 6 months as time goes by and you advance in the apprenticeship.
>>61011038
>Tfw everyone on the internet told me it is really hard to get an accounting job
>tfw was easiest thing I've ever done
Literally walked into a firm today and got an offer. Not sure if it was complete luck or it really is easy as fuck.
So glad I finished my education.
>>61052714
I'm 24 and will have around 60k saved up, should have gone back to college or learned a trade years ago. No idea what the fuck to do now.
>>61052381
>>61052453
Truth, it should also be a decision you alone make - parents are often a terrible influence on their children as can be tutors.
>>61051932
Well, you should get that degree regardless of honours or not. I don't want to be a downer, but if a nuclear engineer/physicist leaves without honours, chances are they aren't ever going to be working on a reactor.
But, having a basic degree will show you had some discipline and motivation to see it through to the end, knowing the odds were shitty and that may help in various job applications.
It will also be a great learning experience for you to look back on in the future ;)
>I don't feel ready for college
>I'll take a couple years off
And just about the time I was ready to go back both of my parents were forced into early retirement due to serious medical issues and I had to remain employed full time just as a matter of survival.
Now in 2016 it's 10 years later and I know I'm never going back to school. So this is my life now I guess. It's not terrible but I will always wonder what my life would be like if I would have gotten a degree.
>>61018643
>no replies
this so much. college is a tool to reach your potential not a tool to find your potential.
Been having really bad anxiety knowing that I fucked up. I wanted to buy a house and start a family.
>>61011038
University is a waste if you arent going for something good that you want to do. Otherwise get a trade/learn a skill.
>>61053350
Yes, well said about the parents, My Colonizer Friend.
Shitty parents who have no motivation in life think muh university is the answer. But actually the answer is just fucking work ethic. Pick something you like/can tolerate, do it well and you will be set
>>61014527
This.
What should I do to get my shit together?
>I fell for the "University is a waste of time and money" meme
>Became a bartender instead
>Make 80k a year hustling drinks
Fuckin' idiots. It's only a waste of time and money if you also don't learn a skill.
>>61011038
>Went to Engineering
>Graduated from Chemical Engineering in 2014
>In final year, hear rumblings about the market being tough and jobs drying up
>Fast forward to now, group of friends I graduated unemployed
>The few that I know still employed are either working 2 days a week or think they'll be layed off soon
I should have went into the trades.
