> 2016
> letting repuliturds policies charge you a fortune for college education instead of getting it free
shiggydiggy
>>59959839
>free
>>59959839
>free
I love this meme
>>59959839
>chile
>free
good go SJW are ignorant
>>59959839
I think the rest of the world needs to catch up.
>>59959839
>free
>free
Also look at the top 100 unis in the world, "free" college is shit
>>59959839
Cost of taxes? Percentage of the population with a college degree? Number of top universities?
Why is it important that everyone get a college education? Maybe having it cost a shitload is a good thing because it means only people who genuinely go and can afford to/choose to make that sacrifice will go. Everyone else, who has no need of college(the majority of young people) can work and start a family instead of kicking it in some shithole for 8 years earning a degree in faggotry and how to party down.
Maybe we should have a pure capitalist system applied to universities rather than this incestuous, corrupt relationship where colleges are a business pretending to be an educational service every fucking kid needs and then kids go there on government loans they can't even bankrupt away.
The only reason why leftists want to send everyone to college is not because they wanted an educated people, it's because college is now a Marxist indoctrination center that transform every single person who enters it into an communist.
I, for one, would gladly destroy every single higher learning institution in the world and bring back guilds to teach vocational shit.
They're not really free since you have to pay for books and a bunch of minor fees here and there, not to mention living costs. Not close to America tier but it's not really free.
>free
>>59959839
>free
This meme is getting pretty fucking old
lol no
>free
>>59960056
Exactly this.
Send everyone to college. Have leftist professors tell them a bunch of bullshit about race and gender being social constructs. Force them into taking bullshit electives not needed for a career.
Convince everyone they need school and have the government pay for it so they can make more money.
>>59959839
even "free" isn't free, Bernard
>>59960053
But it is wrong to have an elite anon, don't you know everybody is equal?
>>59959839
Nothing is free you imbecile, everyone will be paying for it in taxes regardless if they even went to a college.
>>59960012
Absolutely BTFO
Middle class americans pay more taxes than middle class people in many countries where college is "free"
What a shithole your country is
>>59960012
and we've gotta pay for universities aswell
>>59959839
>free
It's not free, you fucking dipshit. It's paid for by taxpayers.
>>59959839
brazil free.
check your sources, buddy
>brazil
>free
The fuck?
>>59960012
Much agreed
>>59959839
It's only free if you're willing to pay 52% taxes after you're done with college.
>>59960350
Free? Why did I have to pay a yearly fee of 92euros then?
>free Marxist indoctrination
>"free"
>>59959839
>Chile
Shithole
>Brazil
Shithole
>Germany
80m
>Finland
5.4m
>France
66m
>Norway
5m
>Slovenia
2m
>Sweden
9.5m
>USA
320m
There's a glimpse into tax-payer subsidized colleges and why we don't do it to the extent these small rich Euro cunts can. Also >>59960053
>>59959839
Recently, research has counterintuitively indicated a need to scale back the financial aid we offer prospective students since such policies have thus far made higher education LESS affordable. [1]
In response, there has been one main criticism to that research: "How in the world could increased college assistance have come BEFORE increased tuition costs?" "Go ahead," exclaim the skeptics, "look at the historic record. Tuition increases came first! They were not CAUSED by expansions in financial aid!"
We decided to fact check this critique by doing precisely what was asked; looking at the historic record.
[The following dollar figures have all been adjusted for inflation.] From 1971 to 1981, annual tuition and fees for higher education only rose $2 for a public two year facility. [2] You read that correctly. ONLY two dollars. For a public, four year state school, in state tuition and fees had actually DECREASED $190. For the same period of time, a private four year institution, ALSO decreased by $304. [2] This is very important to note. It means that the cost of higher education was NOT rising at an alarming rate at this point in history. Rather, it had actually decreased or, at most, broken even. (depending on the circumstance) Since that time, however, tuition unfortunately inclined sharply.
>part 2 incoming
>>59960796
So then, what is the record on financial aid for higher education? Unlike the claims from the critics, expansions in financial aid programs DID come BEFORE the start of the tuition crisis. Federal financial aid had its start in 1958, with the National Defense Student Loan Program for low-income students, the precursor to the Perkins Loan Program, and soon after with the Health Professions Educational Assistance Act of 1963 [a]. Note, however, these were relatively small programs and therefore didn't necessarily distort the market in any impactful way. They truly were helping low income individuals, and thus were not wide-scale programs.
It wasn't until later, in 1965, 1972, and 1978, when the financial aid that we recognize today began to take hold. In 1965, for instance, the precursors to the Pell Grant and Stafford Loans were created as part of the "Higher Education Act. [3] At that time, a key change occurred in the way federal tuition loan programs were financed. "Instead of using government money directly, the loans would be made by bankers. But if students defaulted, the government guaranteed that IT would cover the tab." [4] Think about this perverse incentive for a moment. It meant that capital could be offered in the form of student loans under the presumption that profit from said loans could be kept privately, but if and when losses arose, banks and investors wouldn't have to lose their money since TAXPAYERS would foot the bill. Effectively, this was socializing losses while privatizing gains. It would take years for this perverse incentive to grow into a large scale problem, but it eventually did.
>part 3 coming soon
>>59959839
>paying for the upkeep of failed infrastructure
>no problems with this
>paying for people to go to school
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE BETTER DEAD THAN REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED
Can't even explain why it's okay to pay for some things, not others.
>>59960891
In '72, the precursor to the Pell Grant was created, but more importantly, Sallie Mae was created by Nixon and the Congress. Sallie Mae was a firm that received help from the treasury to buy student loans off of banks, freeing the banks to then offer even MORE federally insured loans. [4] From that point forward, banks had nothing to lose by offering loans since they - quite literally - could ONLY profit from the exchange. That meant a bank's sound underwriting reasoning, which typically would lead them to decline risky or unreasonable loan requests, was no longer present. If that weren't bad enough, the most important change came in 1978 with the Middle Income Student Assistance Act, which expanded federal student assistance programs to include middle-income students in addition to low-income students. [3] This is where everything changed. From this point forward, most of these financial aid programs were no longer limited to a minority of low income applicants, but instead became the norm for nearly the entire populace. Under this arrangement, loans would eventually be made to nearly everyone regardless of the requested price of tuition, and tuition would therefore be free to rise unchecked since no financial institution was saying "no." It should be no surprise, then, that this was the last decade our nation enjoyed relatively affordable tuition. Since that 1978 expansion, the cost of higher education increased more than 13 fold; about 1,225 percent. [5] To put that into perspective, in the same time period, ordinary inflation (CPI) had only increased 279 percent. [5]
CONCLUSION:
NO, massive and alarming increases in tuition did not occur PRIOR to expansions in financial aid. The expansions in financial aid occurred PRIOR to the tuition crisis. We have a legitimate problem on our hands, and it's important that it be properly diagnosed if we are ever to fix it.
Punishment for eating dogs all over the world
China: go free
Malaysia: go free
Thailand: go free
Myanmar: go free
The US : You can still be arrested in 6 states just for selling dog meat
Isn't it about time you guys caught up with the rest of the world?
i won't pay a lot for this queer studies degree!
>>59959839
>free
>""""""""""free"""""""""
>>59959839
They are now considering to pay us to go to university. They're already paying us to go to high school.
>>59960950
Source data
--------------------------------
Sources:
[1]
http://www.nber.org/chapters/c13711.pdf
[2]
http://trends.collegeboard.org/college-pricing/figures-tables/tuition-and-fees-and-room-and-board-over-time-1
[3]
http://www.finaid.org/educators/history.phtml
[4]
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3622709
[5]
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-08-18/college-tuition-costs-soar-chart-of-the-day (also the source of the graph)
>>59959839
>free
loving this meme
>>59960056
The best part is when the real world punches them in the gut once they graduate, and they realize that all of the fairydust marxist drivel they'd been spoonfed for so long doesn't actually work.
>>59959839
Places people want to send their kids for college: America, UK for certain things.
When was the last time you heard of chinks paying people to fake their applications to go to the university of Berlin?
>>59960242
It's a shame people don't understand this. How do we get leftists to swallow the red pill?
>>59960056
In Brazil maybe
>>59959839
There's a reason we have the top colleges in the world.
>>59960267
I am a woman and I know thats bullshit. I see how I can't help my emotions get the better of me at times, and I see how men DON'T. Thankfully I am right wing now, so I don't emotionally manipulate people with liberal doublethink. Instead I just Anne Coulter the place up.
There is NO such thing as equality. The very notion is insane. The idea is God CREATED all men equal, but their actions, ideas and lives can change their "equality" over time. This is why felons cannot own guns, they are not equal and no one pretends they are.
I agree with the one anon to bring back guilds.
>>59960138
What is your effective tax rate
>>59961607
tits or gtfo
>>59960012
/thread
>>59961150
You are paying US to do your engineering and shit, because you rich fucks don't want to educate yourselves.
>2020: last native norwegian with a degree above bachelors
>>59961607
>God
news flash: there is no GOD!
>I am a woman
>>59959839
>2016
>Not realizing how high taxes in European nations are
>Not realizing that not a lot of Europeans go to university, and the one's that do don't major in basket weaving with a minor in lesbian american womyn's studies
>>59961703
Americans kicked the nazi ass. Never forget, they aren't nazi. Fascism is a failed system. Good on /pol/ but bad in reality.
>>59959839
>Blaming Republicans for college prices
Yea, because it's not like 90% of our education system is staffed by Liberals or anything.
Pic somewhat related. It's the 'border wall' that we currently have in place and it's why Mexican/Central American immigration is so high.
>>59961701
I'm married and not a degenerate, so no.
>>59961845
News Flash, I was quoting my Declaration of Independence you twat.
>>59959839
nothing is ever "free"
>>59960012
>no UC Davis
>>59961846
>implying it wasn't relevant
>>59960012
Fucking savage fact
>>59960012
99.99% of americans doen't have the brain or the wallet to study at Ivy Leauge uni. That's why you are here while they are there, running government and wall street and force you to pay for their bailouts.
>>59959839
Must be nice to live in a country that doesn't have to pay for its own defense.
>>59959839
>Germany
>free
First, "free" is probably not that I'd call it. Second, the quality of our free colleges is fucking terrible. I can post some English testes and other stuff if you want from my 12th class.
"Buttom", "Do you agree to him?", wrong punctuation, my English teacher not understanding what I'm talking because she is retarded and trying to expose me in front of the class. German teacher is lazy and writes everything on PC in Word, every second word is underlined in red. Not even talking about our ecnomics teacher who can't for his life teach us how prime costs calculation works so fucking everyone gets a 6 (F).
It's basically impossible to make a good leaving certificate and you're forced to study afterwards.
>>59962024
>implying I read anymore after that
>>59961924
You are a degenerate. Equality exist, you are enjoying it in america where upward mobility exist and you have the opportunities many do not even get. Also, you now have the opportunity to share your breasts, which you should take.
>>59962112
>I can post some English testes and other stuff if you want from my 12th class.
12th class? Grade 12?
Our free colleges dont even work lmao Liberals are retarded
>all these faggots greentexting free
>implying free college would significantly raise your taxes
Cuckservashits truly are scum. If you don't want to help others then get out. You can enjoy your "freedom" in some libretardian African shithole while socialists make America strong.
>>59961896
Well hello
>>59959839
this faggot don't know what taxes are
>>59960796
>>59960891
>>59960950
>>59961181
This is very interesting and useful information.
>>59959839
Hey, lefty retard?
It's not conservatives who run education in this country, it's you leftists.
>>59959839
>le free maymay
XDD top bantz lad heres an upboat
>>59962188
Isn't 12th class principially correct, too? I mean it's the 12th of the classes you pass.
You see, that's how low quality our school system is. We're still doing past tense and simple present lessons when we're 25 y/o.
>>59962106
lol so americans are so superior, even 0.01% of them can rule the entire world?
>>59961305
But then they'll think it's the somebody else's fault that their useless degree is useless. They do that now and they'll continue doing it in the future. It's an endless cycle of unrest caused by pursuing useless information
>>59959839
Can someone do a chart that shows patent applications by country?
>>59959839
>free
HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA LOOK AT ALL THE TAXES WE PAY YOU FAT FUCK.AND BECAUSE THEY ARE "FREE" EVERYBODY TRIES TO ENTER AND BASICALLY ONLY RICH KIDS THAT HAVE ACESS TO TOP TIER EDUCATION CAN PASS THE TEST TO JOIN A "FREE" COLLEGE,SO BASICALLY THE POOR PAY THE COLLEGE OF THE RICH THROUGH TAXES.THE POOR PEOPLE THAT WANT TO JOIN COLLEGE HAVE TO WORK A LOT TO PAY A PRIVATE COLLEGE CAUSE THEY ARE WAY EASIER TO ENTER.
>>59962405
That's really fucked? Is this 12th class thing at a post-secondary level? In Canada we have hundred series courses that imply difficult and 'year', like 120 for a first year sociology, 220 for second year, 320 for third, and 420 for 4th. You can't take higher course unless you gain the require prerequisites. The courses are pretty intense, it's measured by hours of lectures per term.
>>59961181
Look at this fucking hero
I bet you were the same guy who BTFO the guy in the min wage thread. Good job anon. Big fan.
>>59962343
Conservatives are dumb, and useful idiots at best. For the rich, they need the working class republican to believe that hard work + opportunity = $$$, and that belief helps reduce their taxes.
>>59961924
there are no women on the internet
>>59959839
Your image isn't true though. I know in places like France you have to be the top X% of your class in order to go to college. Most people that are advocating this wouldn't get to go to college... wait a minute. This is fucking brilliant! It keeps leftists and retards out of college!
>>59962255
If you want to go to college, dig into your pocket and use your own money!
But no!
Your idea of help is a thuggish government stealing our money to pay for your lazy ass!
>>59962683
B-but muh trickle down economics
>>59959991
How much do you pay for collage, fellow Aryan?
>>59959839
do those countries spend millions on football?
didnt fuckin think so
>>59962790
>if you want roads, dig into your own pocket and pay for it
>if you want police and fire departments dig into your own pocket and pay for it
>current year
>going to college
You are stupid.
>>59962493
Well yeah. I guess all you can really do is make things work out for yourself and ignore all of their impotent shouting.
>>59961896
that pic is from an ad for the man in the high castle
good show you should definitely watch it
>>59962468
You are looking at one and one tree. You have to look at the whole forest. It's the grand total that makes the US the nr.1 military power in the world. America doesn't rule the entire world but they are arguably the most influential nation in the world, science, culture, economy, military, you name it. The issue here is that the average american doesn't feel like a nr.1. If the ruling elite is able to play chess better than Russias or Chinas elite, then yes, the 1% is fantastic at guiding the 99% to make the US most influential in the world, but that doesn't mean that the average american is happy just because they're able to hang a note on their chest saying ''We are the best. Go us''.
The whole purpose is to progress, be happy and have a fulfilling, meaningful life. Regardless of left,right,centre politics++
You can say whatever you want about Norway, but we realised this back in the 70s. We now take the best from both spectrums and out united goal is to increase the quality of life and sustain it.
>>59963012
Roads and police fire fighters are things we all use.
Only you will use the useless degree you're wanting.
>>59959839
progressives whining that the rest of us aren't paying more $$$ to turn academia into a safe space for hard core left wingers and SJW's
Stay out of my fucking wallet you useless left wing leeches
>>59962106
There are 13 American schools in that posted list, and only 6 of them are Ivy League. For extra salt: out of the top 4, only Harvard is Ivy League.
>>59963258
And how the hell is that working out for you now that you've been invaded and you have all these uneducated leeches sucking you dry?
>>59961852
>get taxed out the ass so college is free
>don't go to college
You'd have to be stupid as fuck.
>>59963297
Most people desire higher education, whether it's college or trade school. It's useful for everyone.
>>59959839
Russia:
Any education is free
(except of Master's)
commie_heritage_feels_good.jpg
>>59963460
I know but i also consider places like Stanford, MIT, Chicago++ to be Ivy leauge tier.
>>59963502
We have very few immigrants relative to the whole population % wise. We reformed our immigration laws 2 weeks ago. No more leeching, way way less immigration. We were just playing ball with Sweden for a good year before saying nah. Also, i don't think you realise how much wealth Norway have if you think that a couple of 100-200k leeching immigrants would be able to suck us dry. That god that we don't though, and that it wont happen in the future.
>>59963989
How many immigrants does norway have? Do you have numbers?
>>59963710
Trade school is not "higher education." The kind of skills you learn in trade school are things literal children can master. In the old days kids as young as 12 or 13 would begin learning a trade much the same way a student in a trade school would, until they had enough skill to become a formal apprentice in their adult years. Yet you call it "higher education."
What a joke.
>>59963802
>(except of Master's)
nah it's free too
>>59963989
They Ivy League is not some vague category of super elite schools, it is an actual, tangible thing, a conference of 8 specific schools. That conference and those schools have gained worldwide recognition for being the most exclusive and elite schools in the world, so the term "Ivy League" has become synonymous with "elite school" but it still is a term which refers to the financial bloc created by those private schools.
>free
Apart from the 60% overall tax rate.
>>59964210
Really? Comfiness intensifies then. I'm taking my Bachelor's now so I don't know much about Master's.
>>59959839
>YOU SHOULD PAY FOR SOME 18 YEAR OLD FAGGOTS TO STUDY ART AND HAVE NERF GUN BATTLES AND TRY WEED FOR THE FIRST TIME!
lol no. If you cant get into college you dont deserve to be there
>>59959839
>>59959839
"Free"
I don't think you know what free means, or how economics work.
>>59959839
Whoever made that infograph is a lier:
http://eacea.ec.europa.eu/education/eurydice/documents/facts_and_figures/fees_support.pdf
>>59964126
Semantics. Trade school is just as unaffordable as college, you shouldn't have to pay tens of thousands of dollars just for the qualifications to be considered for an entry-level job.
>>59959839
those universities are shit compared to American universities though
>>59960053
>Why is it important that everyone get a college education?
Because we have universal suffrage.
A democracy without a well informed and educated population leads to de facto plutocracies where powerful lobbyists can play on peoples ignorance.
>>59959839
>free
>good
It depends on what university you are talking about. The good public ones are hard to enter. Basically you got take classes in a preparatory school or you study your ass off 'till you are approved, because public schools are the shittiest possible and private schools aren't good either.
>>59964041
670.000. Majority of them is from Sweden, Poland and Lithuania. Sami people, forest finns and Kvens are not considered ethnic Norwegians either (because muh nationalism from their side or something).
I always chuckle when people post immigratns waving the Norwegian flag on our independence day parade (17. Mai). It's definitly not representative and it is actually really great that they celebrate Norway and our nationalism instead of looting people like in Sweden. Swedes are not even allowed to celebrate their ''Independence Day'' properly with flags and stuff.
>>59964305
I know, i know, but i thought you would get my point since people in general use the ivy league term about elite schools.
>>59962864
>Argentine
>Aryan
Choose one nigger
>>59959839
Free college=degree inflation
In Norway you basically needs a degree for everything.
>>59962561
This. And some rich guys can manage to pay certain people to approve their kids without them having to struggle to pass the exam.
>>59960138
In finland they will pay you to go to college, and you can take 20k loan which they will deduct 30% off (free money 6k) if you graduate in time
>>59964849
>Free college=degree inflation
>In Norway you basically needs a degree for everything.
this logic doesn't hold. degrees are a specialized education. It isn't scarcity that drives its value, it's your ability to make use of that information. It's like saying if everyone has a driving license, it makes the value of driving less when in reality that's really a stupid way of thinking about it. drivers drive to do something, degrees are knowledge you HOPE to use to make value.
>>59964838
Based, theres still hope, just nuke sweden, Norway and Fingolia stronk
Do you by any change have the numbers on the non whites?
>>59964041
630 000... Back in the year 2000 it used to be around 90k-100k.
>>59964934
In usa over 50% of people attend university. in scandinavia less than 40% attend. they have much worse inflation in states with degrees than in scandinavia where degrees are "free".
the problem with us is the drop out rates are very high, so people end up without a degree but still in debt. basically, it's just very tough for 18yo kids to decide if they should take the huge debts and go to uni or not. that's where our system shines.
>>59965190
Wrong person kneegrow
>>59959839
The US education is 10 times better than all these communist shit holes.
>>59965215
yo brazialbro. some fucking chick is visiting canada and liked me on tinder. she seems poor and not international, is she an escort? is she an easy fuck?
also i would like to remind everybody it was democrats (Hillary) who made the student debt non-deductable (person can go bankrupt with their uni loans in usa anymore).
she did all of that because goldman and other banks requested (paid her big time)
>>59965455
???????
>>59964934
Because employer doesn't know what they should go by anymore. Degree, grades, intership, charity work...... It's like we need more uneducated people..... You can make 65k by doing McDonalds/walmart tier stuff. Even failures in society have a place to go...
>>59965215
Just that 12% of the total immigrant population is from Africa. Majority of them actually works or study with the exception of Somalia for some reason.
>>59965522
why would a brazilan woman lives in caratinga come to canada for a week or two?
>>59965542
Somalians are degenerated africans. Ethiopians know that best.
>>59965620
I dont fuckign know lmao fuck her
>>59965686
I mean if you are white of course
>>59959839
It's not free. Everyone pays for it.
>>59965742
Yeah, I am white. I said she was really sexy and she said thanks. I think I'll take her out for diner. It's gonna be super cold the next few weeks. -20 HAHAHA
>>59965542
Somalia is chaos incarnate. Not even self sustaining anarchism can rise up there.
>>59963989
>redpillednorwegianfeminist.jpg
>femenist
>redpilled
>>59965396
>US education
>better
Allow me to kek
>>59962139
How am I a degenerate?
I enjoy "equality" because I don't break the law, but really when you think about it I have more "equality" because as a woman I can get a job easier, you could get me pregnant and I could make you pay for it against your will if I wanted, I could fuck a 13 year old boy and probably not go to jail if I just cry and say sorry in front of a judge, I can become a cop or join the military with no effort because I don't have to pass the tests men do, among other terrible unfair things. We as women have a massive advantage in this country. That isn't equality at all.
There is no such thing as equality if you actually look at the world we live in. Equality is like perfection. You cannot achieve either because humans are imperfect animals.
>>59962684
If you say so
Why are you fucking retards whining about the word "free"?
It makes complete sense to say you can use the streets in your town for free. You can call emergency services in the case of any emergency for free.
The reason that word is used is because it's free to the recipient, and more importantly, BECAUSE EVERY SINGLE FUCKING PERSON UNDERSTANDS THAT THESE THINGS ARE PAID FOR WITH TAX DOLLARS. STOP PRETENDING THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO DO NOT UNDERSTAND THIS. YOU ARE JUST IGNORING THE TOPIC AT HAND YOU WORTHLESS PIECES OF GARBAGE.
>>59965767
Yes, but university is pretty much the only thing it's good to have everybody to pay for. Because 50% of those kids drop out with debt and their lives are fucked.
Basically, free college is a boost for smart kids. Med school etc. engineering schools are all risk free for smart kids who like to work hard. In states they carry very big risks as they tend to be very very expensive.
>>59963989
>I know but i also consider places like Stanford, MIT, Chicago++ to be Ivy leauge tier.
Ignorance, Ivy League just means the division they belong to in sports. In america, going to an ivy league school matters less (especially in grad school) than going to go a school with world class faculty. American schools can literally steal the best profs from the world because everyone else sucks.
>>59959839
>free
I'll take "misunderstanding of the concept of cost" for $0, Alex.
>>59959839
>>59966013
Don't know if I've ever seen bigger hooks in /pol/
>>59966013
theres a lot of self-loathing conservashill NEETS with high level of autism on /pol/
>>59959839
Yeah, I sure envy Chile and Brazil's education.
>>59962106
Number 4 is a public school
>>59959839
I don't know about the rest but Germany sure as fuck doesn't have free universities. What drivel is this?
>>59966104
have now with>>59966119
>thinking there's ANYTHING wrong with education paid for by taxes
courses have a minimum GPA to solve overcrowding, to encourage people to do better, problem solved.
when you're old you want a working generation that's successful and has buying power to pay taxes to fund your retirement you piece of lard.
>>59960453
Of course it's free.
Now pay your damn taxes and the new gasoline raise you white cracka.
>>59966013
Everyone uses roads, not everyone goes to college. And "free" college isn't free for the student, as you can clearly see in examples given in this thread. You still gotta pay for books, living expenses, hidden fees and if you work and pay taxes YOU ARE PAYING FOR IT TOO.
Again, college isn't for everyone, it shouldn't be a "right." Emergency services and roads are things everyone needs in this country to survive. We could all live a lot better if there were no more indoctrination schools in this country, I tell you what.
wouldn't all the problems with making higher education free would be solved as long as the difficulty and standards for passing were high enough.
>>59966104
>>59966208
Something's fishy. There have been even more b8 threads than usual. Something isn't right today.
>fishy
>b8
that slaps me on the knee
Do you support ISIS?>>59966013
Do you know how expensive American schools are? The reason America dominates in the post graduate fields is because we drop's fat stacks on our colleges. Think of the quality of your average college compared to public high schools and imagine that quality going down the drain within 5 years of them being "free"
If you can't afford college then don't go to college. If you can't afford the fancy private school charging $20,000 per year then go to the D3 school that charges $5,000 but happens to teach the same courses.
http://time.com/3819699/google-hr-exec-candidates-college-doesnt-matter/
>>59966253
This is how it is in france. THey have these super schools that are nearly impossible to get into and the rest of the people go to shit tier (university of pheonix) tier schools
>>59966303
/pol/ is conservative neets, and alt-right degenerates.
>mfw those overinflated college costs are nothing but the result of Kike Universities abusing government subsidized loans
>>59966389
>http://time.com/3819699/google-hr-exec-candidates-college-doesnt-matter/
It's impossible to pass the technical interview unless you go to a 4-year CS program. I had a friend who had an interview, they were asking him obscure as fuck shit.
>>59959839
>Sweden
YES PLEASE OP LET ME CATCH UP TO THE INCREDIBLY PROGRESSIVE REST OF THE WORLD.
>>59966227
Tax dollars are used for a bazillion things that not everyone benefits from. Why is this so different?
Or are you one of those special ed kids who thinks tax dollars should only be used for absolute must services such as roads
>>59966498
anti-education neet cuckservative detected.
>>59959839
Better go get that good free Brazilian education.
>>59964783
We also have public libraries and the internet that will also help with learning at the fraction of the cost. Also isn't that why we have primary and secondary schools too.
>>59966570
>everybody I disagree with is a neet
argumentum ad hominem
>>59966119
>>59966442
No one is biting, son
>>59966570
you're an idiot, hes completely right.
the government subsidizes the loans, so colleges give out crazy loans for stupid shit to literally anyone (50k loan for a womans study degree? sure why not)
>>59961181
http://pastebin.com/ninAVPXB saved for future use, thanks anon
>>59966570
Yeah how could they be that in the CURRENT YEAR
>>59966631
This, public libraries are a much greater resource than publicly funded tuition.
I don't see people traveling to Finland to enroll in their colleges. Most US universities have HUGE numbers of foreign students
>>59966698
cause the same dynamics that drive education and training in our modern economies are still fundamentals in 2016.
>>59966712
this is so naive and indicates you have no higher education. It is impossible to ask someone to go to a public library (public libraries do not have the budget to buy an academic collection, or subscribe to journals) and start a 4-year CS degree. Even MOOCs do not substitute a 4-year CS degree. Even university of Phoenix can compare. The pedagogical reason why a 4-year degree matters is how the material is delivered and how you are in an environment with researchers. If you think uni is a continuation of a high school style of education, you are going to a shit-tier for-profit school.
>>59965297
The high rate of students going to Uni is because High School here has become nothing more than 4 years of "HURRR DURRR YOU HAVE TO GO TO COLLEGE COLLEGE COLLEGE", nothing of value is taught anymore. Its so ingrained in the minds of students in schools that everyone (literally fucking everyone) goes to college immediately following High School and ends up dropping out or taking 6 years to get a Bachelors.
somebody is abusing something
>>59966537
Hilarious that people think we should have public goods in places that the private sector can perfectly provide.
>>59960012
SAVAGE
>>59965913
She tells non-norwegian tumblr my period feminist to gtfo. She wants the same opportunities not affirmative action and free things falling in her lap. Majority of Norwegian feminists are actually just women with common sense. They don't believe in the whole 50/50 meme.
>>59966067
Lets take an example. Harvard is not just a place to get knowledge, it is also a world renown brand, a connection hub++ It matters where you go to school. Ivy tier schools>''schools''. Doesn't mean that you can't get knowledge elsewhere or make it in life. That's all.
>>59959839
I actually prefer to pay directly for the goods and services I use. consumer power is an actual thing that leads to competition and thus better quality goods and services.
>>59966893
>publicly funded tuition
Canadian reading comprehension
>>59959839
That's why you do your undergrad in Europe, your PhD in the UK or US, and your post-grad fucking anywhere you like.
It's not that hard, people.
>>59967102
Its colleges and universities raising tuition because the Government gives student loans to fucking everyone. It used to be affordable to the point where working a summer job at McDonalds would pay your tuition.
It's the same shit that lead to the housing bubble. I honestly can't wait for the education bubble to pop and the kike university heads to all be gassed.
>>59959839
>free
No
Significantly less, yes
>>59959839
>Free
>He most likely thinks there is a such thing as free health care as well
>>59960012
America is the land of marketing, these universities are all memes.
>>59966957
>The high rate of students going to Uni is because High School here has become nothing more than 4 years of "HURRR DURRR YOU HAVE TO GO TO COLLEGE COLLEGE COLLEGE", nothing of value is taught anymore. Its so ingrained in the minds of students in schools that everyone (literally fucking everyone) goes to college immediately following High School and ends up dropping out or taking 6 years to get a Bachelors.
High school has always been a hurr durr, bare minimum level of education. Before AP, american universities had prep schools but AP brought prep to highschool, making highschool even more useful. You people seem oblivious to the fact how difficult some of these fields of knowledge are, and how un-intuitive it is. Highschool should always be the terminating point for the working class, or those striving to achieve working class. But to do more, especially in an knowledge economy, university is necessary. And i KNOW /pol/ hates woman studies (so do I) but what /pol/ seems to forget, those faggots seem to be really successful in creating a change in our culture.
women studies, gender studies, they are contemporary sophists, they are trained in how to abuse culture.
>>59959839
>$75,000
Money grubbers like you would go to a rich kid school.
>>59967113
Why is that hilarious? You're basically just assuming that the private sector is better at providing these services. That's an idiotic simplification.
Not to mention that this is not even touching on the ethical dimension of the issue. What's hilarious here is that you're actually smug about being a piece of shit.
>>59960012
Holy shit I almost forgot about this.
>>59966893
Not everyone needs a degree in their career field. Many people in tech can get certificates at fraction of the cost and time of a degree.
But those who just want to learn for their own understanding can use public libraries or the internet. Google scholar has journal articles and more than likely within the future we will see those resource become more and more public available.
>>59967494
>But those who just want to learn for their own understanding can use public libraries or the internet. Google scholar has journal articles and more than likely within the future we will see those resource become more and more public available.
You never actually studied anything, have you? Tell me the truth. I'm doubting you know anything about this because if you look for articles through google scholar, you won't find many that aren't behind a pay wall, where they charge you 40+ USD dollars per article and those articles do not give you background knowledge. That's where lecture, tutorial, access to professors and TAs, and peers come into place. You cannot do anything but monkey-shit with a certificate. Go on /g/, the consensus is, a code-monkey is a burger flipper, a CS grad is a chef. It's a HUGE difference.
>>59959839
I pay 400 euro a year for my university. I don't know how they thought it was free.
Maybe the fact that we have free High School but we call it "College"
Is a college degree even worth anything if it's available to free to everyone?
>>59967401
The private sector has strong incentives to innovate and provide a cheaper, higher quality service thanks to competition. The public sector is associated with a bureaucracy to maintain it, has no competitive incentive and less goods diversity.
Read a book, commie
>>59960053
I think australia has it right
We pay about 12k a year for single degrees (lasting 3 years)
And about 9k for double degrees (lasting 5 year)
we also have HECS , which is basically a loan you are allowed to take out on your education, however, you aren't charged interest (which is stupid, it should match inflation), then they take X amount of dollars out from ur pay check
>>59967401
One of the best public colleges in my state got only 2% of the funds it needs so its literally not working
>Slovenia
>Finland
>Brazil
>Norway
>Sweden
Not really known for being power house either
Also
>Free
Godammit everytime
>>59965662
iirc Ethiopians are a bantu-arab admixture
>>59967711
That's free compare to what's in Canada or US. It's disgustingly free.
>>59967716
>Is a college degree even worth anything if it's available to free to everyone?
This person never passed a single AP course.
>>59967716
Dude, it's practically free (<1000€ per year) in several EU countries. Still, far from everyone attends universities.
I doubt my 2 degrees in Physics are worth less, just because I got my first one for a total price of less than €2,000 and got paid to do my second one.
I don't see the job market swarming with physicists, in fact, if I send my CV to the usual agencies, I tend to get responses very soon..
Never had debt in my entire life.
>>59959839
>Free
>>59959839
>>59960012
This guy knows what's up op
>>59967767
>yfw /pol/ loves economic systems that champion diversity
>yfw /pol/ is one of the most multicultural communities on the planet
we /sjw/ now
>>59967711
It's called free because you never pay actual tuition (which would likely be in thousands), only a small administrative file handling fee.
And that's a recent thing, 15 years ago, college was entirely free
>>59959839
>free
>>59967705
Dude, do you even look at job board? Where im at that all they want are people who have certs. They don't want degrees. Also, you can go to most college libraries and look up their journal articles for free, without being a student. Also, it just sounds like where most people are the market is over saturated with these degrees.
>>59960012
And still they hire Europeans in a heartbeat
why?
>>59966890
That's the thing. We don't run our schools as capitalistic competetive units. They are merely there for the necessitive nature of good education.
>>59962112
>testes
I don't wanna see your tiny dick sorry
>>59966890
One of their tech schools has really cool hats.
>>59961607
So right, men and women aren't equals, so fuck off, you're a woman, your opinion isn't worth a mans.
>>59967767
What you're talking about are ideals. What you're completely ignoring are massive issues of human greed, political corruption. And the ethical dilemmas.
Also, US spends more on public healthcare PER CAPITA than the UK. Yet here in the UK I can have the ambulance take me to the hospital, have them take care of me, give me medication, go get some more medication from the doctor later on. And all of this costs me £0. And less in taxes.
>>59968126
That's a lie, a huge lie. Most tech jobs require a 4 year degree, and its implicit in the tech interview. They will test you on what is covered in a 4 year degree.
Second, most college libraries require a login with a valid student ID. They require this because student pay fees to these journals to subscribe to them.
>>59959839
>chile
>free
Pick one.
>>59968423
Yeah, lets have centralized greed instead of hundreds of greedy evil people interacting and trading voluntarily. What a fucking great idea!
I kindly invite you to my shithole country where the shitty ideas you spew are followed to the T. You'll get a taste of what happens when you run out of other people's money.
>>59968431
Yes most do, not all. Not everyone will become the next manager or a project leader. Certs are what everyone has been saying is the way to go, depending are someones career path.
Have you gone into a university library and gone to where the journal articles are kept? They do still print them you know. Plus, most university libraries allow you to search for articles for free at certain computers. Also most libraries allow residents around them to check out stuff too.
>>59968854
Not all countries are filled with rampant political corruption. Not to the scale Brazil is anyways I'd assume.
>>59968880
>Have you gone into a university library and gone to where the journal articles are kept? They do still print them you know. Plus, most university libraries allow you to search for articles for free at certain computers. Also most libraries allow residents around them to check out stuff too.
Try searching and searching and reading articles all day at a library. There is a reason why I have a collection of PDFs for my thesis on my computer and not photocopies. Journal articles also require a prerequisite level of knowledge, knowledge you master after your sophomore year. Also, you are just admitted that you can't bring value to a project.
Certs are never the way to go because it drives flash in the pan technologies, and it doesn't enable project managers to target greenfield tech. This is where having a CS degree shines. But, i guess, you are contempt with being a code monkey.
>>59968854
Exactly how did Brazil become so corrupt? Our government is centralized but our politicians have integrity.
>>59959839
>Occupy Democrates
Is it a occurring thing for faggots like you to keep posting pics from that cancer group?
>>59959839
$75,000 is not an accurate number. Not even close.
>>59969270
It's their culture and how they play with the poor for votes. It has little to do with centralization but inequality. It's like whenever they need to get some more votes, they pander to a specific group
>>59969270
Nigger culture
>>59959839
>free
>>59969270
>Brazil become so corrupt?
All Catholic nations are corrupt. Except maybe Poland.
>>59962561
This. Jesus Christ, I used to admire American people before /pol/. Seems like they are getting more dumb and not worthy for the kind of freedom their ancestors worked for. Millennial Americans seriously deserve a country like Brazil, but worse.
>People defend higher education being unaffordable
>People defend health care being unaffordable
>>59969594
/pol/ is a degenerative collection of neets, holidayfags (like my self, school starts on monday), stormfags, you faggots from the shit-world (aka global south) and alt-right
>>59969481
>I don't even know who was the first president of Brazil, but here is my shitty opinion about it
>>59959839
Our entire education system is cancer. What we need is reform. Then we can talk about free college.
No one their tax dollars going to college education where students end up being useless SJWs who scream racism and oppression to get what they want.
>>59966537
>Or are you one of those special ed kids who thinks tax dollars should only be used for absolute must services such as roads
I think tax dollars should have a priority. We should be spending most of it on absolute must services, the rest can be distributed by priority of more important to least important. College subsidies are not important, and in fact, they make too much money as it is and teach nothing. We score 28 in the world, yet our students pay more than anywhere else. Our system is completely fucked and just forcing the people in the country pay these BUSINESSES so that yuppie cunts can go party and learn about diversity and white privilege.
My ex went to Skidmore University, and he went in normal, came out some fucking crazy communist feminist. He is also in mountains of debt on an English Major degree, and I think he is going to become a high school teacher.
If you really think colleges that do this to people deserve tax dollars, then I think you need to come to America and see how bad it is for yourself. Our roads are literally falling apart, 61% of the bridges in this country are at risk of collapsing, and our electrical system hasn't really been updated since 1910.
Am I really such a retard?
>>59969875
SJW education is contemporary sophism. They use their skills in rhetoric, and affinity building to make money. It's gross.
As much as you hate Socialism, the United States has many Socialist qualities.
Military, roads, police, firefighters, libraries, postal service, grants, bridges, garbage collection, landfills, farm subsidies, fbi, cia, dea, vaccines, social security, medicare, museums, schools, business subsidies, national parks, public parks, sewer systems, fda, water treatment facilities, beaches, litter collection, state construction, unemployment insurance, city buses and subways, snow removal, street lights, fema, public defenders, scholarships
>>59969154
Not everyone needs a fucking degree! Do some research on economics about over saturation of markets next time. People can still get the information they need even if it mean that they have to spend all day a the library then. Everything has a cost to it, either in time or money.
And yes, some people will be code monkeys for the rest of their lifes and will be content with that. If they have any goals, then yes they would get a degree OR get more certs.
>>59959839
>huehue
>free
Lies. Sure we have public Unis on state and federal levels, but most of the time they're underfunded as fuck, the teachers get real comfy because they're almost unfirable causing their classes to suck ass and they go on strike every odd month, making private institutions a lot more desirable and reliable.
>free
holy shit go fuck yourself
not only are public colleges in Brazil expensive as shit and paid with taxes, they also only allow a pathetically small number of students each year, while the rest have to either pay for a private one (while still paying an absurd amount of taxes) or simply quit getting a degree.
At least Americans KNOW how much they are paying for it.
>>59965959
see for yourself
http://www.thebestschools.org/features/100-best-universities-in-world-today/
notice that the top 10 are in the US except 2.
>>59969594
It's a bad feel
>>59969918
*Our system is completely fucked and just forcing the people in the country pay these BUSINESSES so that yuppie cunts can go party and learn about diversity and white privilege seems insanely counter intuitive*
forgot the last part of that sentence
>>59970017
Yeah! Because none of those things existed before Karl Marx.
You're an irredeemable faggot.
>>59970040
>And yes, some people will be code monkeys for the rest of their lifes and will be content with that. If they have any goals, then yes they would get a degree OR get more certs.
degrees give you the ability to think, certs demonstrate that you know one tech. The pursuit of certs has ruined tech because it cause a glut of skills without demand, because people pursue lucrative certs and get stuck ONLY knowing that shit. They do not have the capacity to learn, think critically or engage in the meat of the matter. That's where degrees come into play. If you have a degree, the value of it is what you make from it that knowledge. a cert is just a degree of qualification of a tech that in the future will be useless.
>>59969481
>>59969440
>>59969427
>>59969270
>>59968962
Its thanks to the diversity meme.
Its easier to trust people who looks and talks like you, you also feel worse for screwing them over and you feel better when you give them a hand.
Its why the diversity meme is such a failure.
>>59965959
Everything in the US is the best if you have money and/or connections.
Too bad the average dude will never have it.
>>59970529
Communalism. It isn't a jewish thing, retard
>>59970017
Framing all those things that you said as "socialism" is very, very misleading, would only make sense in the heads of materialistic ideologists (libertarians for example). Socialism is way beyond a form of government administration, its above everything: a culture.
>>59970742
Nah, the political history of brazil shows that these politicians give favors to certain poor groups over another, playing off each poor group to stay in power. the favelas would organize block voting, and those supported get services that should go for everyone. It's basically buying votes with the state resources.
>>59970905
And that wouldnt happen if we were a cohesive society.
>>59960012
uchicago reporting for duty
>>59970379
A few things to note:
1.) The elite universities in the US (and other countries, for that matter), tend to pick the best students they can get. So the admission process is based on selection, a rather tight one. European ("free") universities accept anyone who has the formal qualifications, e.g. a high school diploma. Heck, at my old uni, any bum who finished high school could get a spot.
Which leads to ..
2.) The role of these universities. The European (free) universities are meant to provide education to the public. Not just the best students, not just the most talented individuals, no. The public - all of them. It's reflected in the size. Harvard has something like 7k undergrads, whereas the University of Vienna has close to 90k. The UoV is a public university with public lectures. Anyone can just walk into a lecture hall and learn about thermal quantum field theory, or about the anatomy of rats. These universities have a long-lasting tradition of providing education to anyone who seeks it. Deviating from that old dogma is not off the table, but it has a solid backing in the public.
.. and last but not least - these rankings tend to be very US and UK - focused, and most of them were designed like this: We consider places like Caltech, Stanford, Harvard, and Oxbridge the best universities, therefore our ranking measures how well other universities compare to them.
>>59970984
no... it wouldn't happen in a society if you guys had a functioning state that could deliver the resources, rather than having it to be directed, or that if you guys were educated enough to support a bureaucracy that is professional.
>>59964849
>not knowing Argentina is the nazi safe heaven
>>59959991
It's mostly free since 2016
Thank you Bachelet
>>59970669
>They do not have the capacity to learn, think critically or engage in the meat of the matter.
Do you really believe everyone with a degree can "think critically" with a degree? You are a fool to believe that. College are just churning out students today with a piece of paper that says they have a degree, but really shouldnt have one. This only hurts people even more who do have a degree since now everyone has a degree. This is probably why you are going for you masters, since bachelors means nothing today.
But if someone goes for their certs instead, its cheaper in time and cost. They are also more adaptable to the job market that is becoming more and more specialized.
>>59969727
>holidayfags (like my self, school starts on monday)
You spelled underage fag wrong
>>59959839
no such thing as a free lunch
>>59966013
Economics just frowns upon the usage of the word free... because it is what it is, it's misleading.
Parents of college students have to pay ridiculous rates of taxes where college is 'free'.
College graduates have to pay ridiculous rates of taxes when they get a job after college...
And people working without college degrees still have to pay for high rates of taxes.
Question is;
Does society want to simply sidetrack the issue and just solve the problem with more taxes.
Ignore the issue and let individuals and families figure out how to pay tuition.
Or figure out why tuition expenses skyrocketed like crazy in the past 30 years and find a way to lower them back down again
Or a mixture of any of the three.
>>59971447
>But if someone goes for their certs instead, its cheaper in time and cost. They are also more adaptable to the job market that is becoming more and more specialized.
Certs are fools gold. They ruined the tech market in the early 2000s. Certs aren't adaptable and they create a misdirection of skills that make the adoption of new technology harder.
If you honestly believe a degree in CS or Computer engineering is comparable to a cert, you clearly have no clue what those degrees mean.
>>59971549
I go to university.
