>he isn't majoring in STEM
Anything but is degenerate.
These threads are fucking reddit-tier. Regardless of your degree it matters what you do with it to make people care about what you learned. If you end up unemployed with either degree you're still useless.
What universities did people here go to anyway?
>he fell for the stem meme
I'm on disability. Is it okay if I persue philosophy?
>>59435755
The electrical engineers here are unionized and make ridiculous money
Here's your reply.
>>59435755
>info tech only in good
Nigga, us DBAs make bank and are set for life on jobs.
>>59436215
currently making 80k a year at GoDaddy by majoring in Stats and CompSci, go fuck yourself.
STEM is fine if you like working like a bitch for £50,000 a year in your fifties.
>>59435755
>aerospace engineers
N O J O B S
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>>59435755
As soon as you enter the real world you realize how little your undergrad counts for shit.
I was an accounting major, went to Marine Corps OCS, became a reserve officer then found a job in accounting. The skills and discipline I learned in the Marines apply to my accounting job way more than 5 years of studying accounting did.
Only got this dream job of mine because of my officer experience actually. Civilians eat that shit up. (Who normies and all people in hiring positions are normies).
>>59435755
Who /accounting/ you fags.
majoring in accounting. suck my dick you autists
What about Economics?
>they fell for the college meme
Tech school here, I'm in welding and am going to end up making triple digits this year. 23 years old, no debt.
Enjoy being 80K in debt getting a worthless degree a million other unemployed people already have
Meh tier master race here
>>59435755
>chemistry in the same tier as physics
wew
>>59435755
What if I'm a tradesman?
Welder/Heavy Duty Machinery technician
I make a shit ton more than my brother who is a lawyer, though the work is surely fucked when you need to fix a tractor at 2 am, but the pay is ridiculously good.
This is here though, not sure how well paid tradespeople are in the USA.
>>59436553
by the time you're 40-50 you'll have fucked up your entire body. enjoy retirement when you'll be walking with a cane and on heaps of medication lel
Economics major here. We get a bad rap but without us the modern world would probably collapse back into a shit tier feudal system.
>>59436553
>going to end up making triple digits this year.
I'm glad you learned math at your technical school retard.
>>59436597
They both are useless honestly, they are great pursuits academically and very difficult but neither one gets you paid.
>>59435755
Economics master degree here. Am I great tier, or god tier?
In reality I am probably meh tier because economics is like a pseudoscience. But, as long as society thinks I'm important, than I guess I'm aight.
>>59436793
I hear economists get paid pretty well but you need at least a master's
Is this true??
>>59436859
depends. are you an austrian economist?
if not then perhaps you should kill yourself desu senpai as you are destroying the world
I went to trade school and entered the HVAC industry at age 21. I'm 30 now and I sit in a nice comfy office all day and pulled in just over $72,000 last year after taxes.
>>59436793
>implying we're not dipping back into feudalism now
>>59436363
Is that why you need to run to /pol/ and brag about how much you make?
Lol what a failure, fuck off
>>59436871
Yeah I mean in any sort of social science if you don't have a masters you're going to be stuck at meh/shit tier opportunities.
If you have connections or a strong career/internship background though you can get into some high paying shit without all that masters businesses
Disclaimer: Still an undergrad, but I've done research about my field and career opportunities.
>>59436597
This. In Chemistry and not so sure about this. Although I'm in the professional/industrials instead of academic side. It's a good job but it's not like spectacular. It's just a job, but it's the job I wanted.
>>59436694
>le blue collar workers break their backs for decades and end up crippled meme
But how do we break the leftists'/Jew's hegemony on Humanities?
While electrical engineers are busy fixing the shower, the leftists are deciding the policy.
>>59435755
PoliSci/Economics double major. How'd I do fellas?
>>59435755
>Usefulness
>Implying computer engy, electrical engy are useful
>absolute kek
>>59436923
Whoa, nigga how did you know where I lean? I have my stack of Hayek books right beside me right now actually kek.
But shhhhhh no KeyenesIsGod.jpg. DO NOT QUESTION THE MAINSTREAM. I feel like we live in a keynesian world so you almost have to play that game though. Post-Keynesianism is actually a pretty nice school of thought if you are ever interested in reading further into.
>>59437027
it's true. also most blue collar workers are straight up retarded. I know most of 4chan is smarter but a lot of people in your field are shit-tier
>>59436352
How do you land a DBA job? It seems pretty much impossible unless you have 8+ years of experience.
>>59435755
>tfw got talked into doing Business Admin.
wanted to do econ/finance but w/e
its like 70k starting and Business is easy as shit so fuck it
>>59435755
Current finishing up my MD (MBBS here in Australia), looking to make 300K as a GP, and 400k+ if I pursue a surgical residency.
Part of me really wanted to do Biotech, but the reward simply isn't enough..
>>59437098
Retards with no drive and no talent exist in every profession, anon.
>>59436793
>mainstream economics
>neoclassical + keynesianism
What about env engineering? Learning chinese too so can get maybe get sent there.
>>59437093
you are on /pol/
4/5 people subscribe to austrian economics
>not majoring in CS
>>59436871
Yes. Unless you want to be a "market analyst" which any monkey can do.
>>59437334
Not that I've seen m8. Austrian is like the edgy teenager of the economics family. Even I can admit that.
I'm doing business management/broadcasting on a full ride. Am I good, /pol/?
>>594372398
True. Maybe American blue collar workers are better but Australian blue collar work attracts the lowest of the low.
They're hard working people, I respect their efforts but god damn a lot of them are simply insufferable.
>>59437246
Yeah the west pretty much runs on the neoclassical synthesis right now. Still waiting for the next new idea but people are getting impatient and turning to socialism, which is economic suicide (or, as somebody once said, "the long road to capitalism).
I'm actually rereading Smith's WON right now to try to find some inspiration, but I really dislike most of Keynes's General Theory.
Don't worry /pol/, I'm working real hard to try to figure out how our fucked up shit can turn unfucked once again.
>>59436979
You're memeing, friend. I understand that you think that any sort of seemingly unequal society = feudalism, but its a lot more nuanced than that. Feudalism was an incredibly complex (yet somewhat functional) economic, social AND political system.
You might not like the way we're headed, but don't slap a derogatory label on it that isn't fitting.
>>59435755
>Economics
>Great tier
Two years later and I still haven't found a permanent job. Only crappy temp assignments entering data, and moving boxes. The degree is way too broad. Unless you have connections, you're better off getting a shitty certificate at a community college than majoring in economics.
>>59437474
Yer I really hope more economists came out and educated the public on basic economics. You have science popularizers like Tyson, Attenborough, etc. but we don't really have any economics popularizers.
Australia and most of the West are heading towards socialist policies and we need you faggots but you seem to be stuck in your economics departments all day jacking off to bullshit.
>>59437442
Full ride anything is good m8. Get a solid few internships though.
>>59437664
what was your minor? sounds like you just fucked up
>>59435755
>mechanical engineering several levels down form all the other engineerings
Wow, someone doesn't know much about engineering.
Furthermore good luck getting a job in Chem eng at the moment, with oil and pharma both on the low, tha two biggest employers are in the gutter and there are loads of chem engers coming out at the moment.
>>59435755
STEM is literally the most degeneraet
>>59437671
There is an unfortunate truth of education:
>Liberals tend to be more educated
>Liberals and educated tend to move to cities
>cities make people more liberal
So yeah you're going to find a lot of people, even with rudimentary economic knowhow, that still think socialism could work. I mean to be honest, as an economics person even *I* wish it could work, but anybody who isn't deluded knows that it eventually crashed down and becomes oligarchic capitalism.
Austrian economics is fun and nice to think about (I even went through a period of AnCap after reading Rothbard's Power and Market), but for all of the massive books of von mises and the like, its really a lot of fluff. A theory is only as useful as we can apply it to society, and the Austrians unfortunately play a bit too much with theory and rhetoric instead of fleshed out solutions and evidence.
>>59437105
Got a DBA job right out of college with a MIS degree.
>>59437762
None
>>59435755
I created this. Please stop sharing it most of it is just BS now.
>>59437474
Read Hayek you cucklord faggot. He changed my life back in uni.
Selected readings
>Road to Serfdom
>The Fatal Conceit
>The Constitution of Liberty
Nothing will give you more hope than Hayek m8. Hayek has a good way of making an argument even a normie might be capable of understanding which I think is why he has maintained popularity.
>>59437664
Should have got a masters nigger. Or narrowed your focus in the field.
>>59437671
Dude, are you kidding? Piketty? He is prob the man right now in terms of economics. Maybe not on such a mainstream level but his Capital book brought some serious data with wealth inequality forward. You're right though, we need a more popular person.
And agreed. We need to get people away from socialism and even fascism as they are two sides of the same planned coin.
>>59438009
why dont you just do like 2 or 3 classes for accounting? instant job right there
I mean you have to be an accountant which sucks dick but at least you'll be employed
>>59437945
why would socialism turn into oligarchic capitalism?
Chem E and applied math
That is as STEM as it gets. I was guaranteed 70-80k starting until oil crashed. It sucks, but at least its not completely useless. Made 50k at my 1 year internship and can work in some other industries.
Tbh STEM isn't really a meme if you:
1. 3.0+ GPA
2. INTERNSHIPS and SUMMER POSITIONS
3. job market in your area is decent.
Looking to study Commerce/Law conjoint degree next year.
Advice? Prospects?
Far more interested in commerce than law, but LLB looks good
>>59435755
econ degrees are as worthless as women studies in the real world
>>59437098
>breaking your back from welding
If he said bricklaying, but welding...
I guess you fags are just really spoiled on these so called developed countries.
>>59435755
>Theology, ethnic studies, foreign languages, political sceince
All fine with me yet they're on the lowest tiers.
>>59437945
Why would you wish socialism to work? It breaks many ethical axioms such as Kant's categorical imperative.
>A theory is only as useful as we can apply it to society, and the Austrians unfortunately play a bit too much with theory and rhetoric instead of fleshed out solutions and evidence.
They predicted all the bubbles. Keynes was the guy who lost his money in the Great Depression and started crying to the government while the Austrians predicted it and got away.
>>59438021
>Should have got a masters nigger. Or narrowed your focus in the field.
I want to sometimes, but it's a fucking grind for me. I've never been a school person.
>>59438132
Dude, that's what my last supervisor told me to do. I was working at a credit card company doing data entry for the accounting department. They wanted to keep me, but then they noticed that I had no actual accounting background. I'll maybe look into that.
Is a degree worth it nowadays fellas? I mean I did a loan originator course to get licensed, and you get paid very well, and get promoted easily. I thought I was special because I had a degree, but then I found out there were a bunch of old guys, housewives and waiters working there. Unfortunately I didn't pass the licensing test. That was embarrassing.
>tfw halfway into my 3rd year as a useless economics major
>>59438254
i'm majoring in stats and comp sci at the moment, searching for a summer internship now but unsure if i'll get it because i don't self study comp sci enough.
how does my future look?
>>59438544
Did you learn about how FDR saved the world in the great depression?
Astrophysics is literally the most useless major on Earth.
>>59437105
Get a somewhat shittier IT grunt job at a large / growing / interesting organization, and apply for DBA from within after proving yourself. This is how I did it, at least. Also don't trust the verbiage on job postings. "8 years experience" might be required if they're looking to replace their senior DBA, but for anything else, it's just a filter to get quitters to give up early.
>>59438140
When socialism (or communism) fails, and a nation realizes that it needs to abandon ship, nationalized or socialized assets need to be privatized.
The USSR was not a "socialist" system in the sense you're familiar with, but a more proper term is "state socialism", or perhaps communism or your typical command economy.
I won't get bogged in the details, but here's the gist: Russia essentially gave all of its citizens shares of national companies. Shares were worth a lot, so some people sold them to get food + luxery goods. The smart people accumulated shares until eventually they owned their own companies (these became the infamous oligarchs.) So now the entire economy is run (and basically owned) by those who were intelligent enough to hoard shares. This, mind you, is not a judgmental analysis, but an inevitable truth, and the more nationalized/socialized your systems are, the more its gonna hurt.
China is trying their own way out, via a strictly controlled and monitored movement towards free markets. Unfortunately, democratizing forces that accompany economic liberty put them in a precarious situation: Give the people too much economic power and soon you'll be out of office. Then all bets are fucking off.
There are other ideas of how socialist systems can be reformed. I believe some eastern European country (poland? hungary?? its been a while since my comparative econ class) managed to pull it off, but basically they got SHIT TONS of aid from the United States.
A small caveat to the Russia thing, Russia was also fucked over because we tried to copy/paste our institutions onto their failing economy. basically as good as transplanting the EPA into Somalia.
>>59438544
Just network like a motherfucker, go to job fairs and you'll be fine. Honestly I dug my own grave.
>>59438540
Sounds like you have accounting experience man. I would agree, go to a community college and take a couple accounting classes for a semester. My CC in my town offers classes on the weekend. Sounds like that would set you up.
I think a degree is worth it if you are smart about it. Show up, learn, get A's. It doesn't matter how much you think it sucks just do it. Anything worth doing is worth doing well.
Also,
>but it's a fucking grind for me. I've never been a school person.
Get rid of the self limiting behavior.
>>59438595
Hahaha xDDDD!
>>59435755
Electrical Engineering master race reporting in
Geography and Urban Studies with a minor in GIS
Tell me how awful my choices are. :(
>>59438917
BS in Geography with an emphasis in GIS, minor in Environmental Studies here. I just want to have a life in the woods somewhere, like Montana.
>>59438477
I designed a computer program my freshman year that basically played out a modified simulation of the ultimatum game. Look it up if you aren't familiar, but essentially I modeled it on a three person economy with an owner of capital, a laborer, and a baker who supplied a necessity such as bread (it was a very rudimentary model, but I tried to make it realistic). The capitalist could offer a wage, which the laborer would either accept or decline. As you know, a decline means nobody gets shit (and in my simulation, anybody without savings would starve) I set the program to run as long as it would take for somebody to starve.
The baker was the interesting mechanic, essentially he would charge the profit maximizing price of the incomes earned between the two (remember that the ultimatum game involves a split of possible wealth). you might assume that the baker would just charge the capitalist's (presumably larger) share, but if you actually think about it, there's a range of middle wealth splits where the baker earns more by charging the lower price and selling two loaves of bread.
Anyways, I'm being a little opaque here. My simulation would run, and every time the laborer would be starved out. Of course, I knew that my shitty sim was designed to end like that, but it did make me realize that bad things are destined to happen to people, and that some facts of life (and economics) are inescapable. Specifically:
>People have unlimited wants, and there are limited resources
Everybody is going to get hurt, and some are going to get hurt more than others. So yeah a part of me says that if socialism could work it would be great. But then the realist in me says that its impossible, which just fuels my search for a new economic idea. Sorry for the long post.
>>59435755
What is with you Americans and hating your military?
It's one of your nations back bone.
Forensic science(forensic biology) here. Am I fucked?
>>59439007
engineering and chemistry PhD in the same category as education? top lel
>>59435755
>he believes the STEM meme
Enjoy getting worked like an animal your whole life
inb4: muh money means everything
>>59437085
Who builds the machines that replace people, the circuit board for every type of robot under the sun, the circuits for computers or any device?
You sir are a codfish and you are not my nigga
>>59435755
>architecture in two tiers
>>>>>/trash/
is mech mechanics?
>>59435755
Im a biologist, just graduated, im one step closer to being able to imigrate out of this shithole of a country!
>>59439051
I just want to be an urban planner and I don't know if I'll get into grad school.
Geography isn't useless r-right.
>>59439100
whoosh
>>59439100
The US military has a higher suicide rate than any other profession in America.
>>59439312
>Geography isn't useless r-right.
No. Learn GIS and you'll be fine.
>>59439391
HOW?
What is going on in there?
>>59439513
One day people realise they have wasted the best years of their life fighting and killing for Israel and it is very bitter pill to swallow.
>>59436530
What about finishing 3rd grade and learning to read? It's in OP
>>59439007
Is T20 still ok for J.D. Anon-sama?
>>59436871
And if you want to be one of those famous economists, you need a PhD.
economics and finance dual major
and I'm in a social frat
fucking wet brrraaahhh
>>59439680
also I'm white privileged republican
Just gonna leave this here.
>>59438579
No. You'd probably hear something like that in a history course. When you study economics you're basically just doing calculus and statistics. Maybe a bit of linear algebra.
>>59439700
>>59439680
you sound like a faggot to be honest
>>59436363
>80 k a year
>Impressive
I mean it's nice but nothing out of this world
>>59439051
It's a BS so it's still STEM mast race.
>>59438572
I don't know shit about comp sci, but apparently its not enough to just do the degree. You need your github or some shit to show off your programming skills.
>puts medicine as a single category
I'm offended.
Among top tier should be neurosurgeon/heartsurgeon.
>>59436142
>Regardless of your degree it matters what you do with it to make people care about what you learned. If you end up unemployed with either degree you're still useless.
Pretty much this.
>mfw when self-declared unemployed STEMfag anons have made fun of me for majoring in Political Science despite gaining and holding down a decent job post-graduation
>What universities did people here go to anyway?
University of Washington (Seattle)
Good uni but nowhere near as prestigious as some of my pretentious fuckwad ex-classmates/professors made it out to be.
Contemplating a career change atm.
Part of me wants to jump ship for a better paying job with more responsibilities/room for advancement.
The other half wants to go to work for Postmates or pick up some shitty part time service job and fuck around for the next several months.
I've gotten super stressed out and anxious since I quit drinking and between my gf being out of the country visiting family and the lack of sun I'm pretty damn unhappy/on edge.
>>59436983
What's your degree in?
>>59439475
That's why you have to be careful about selecting your degree, having a PhD isn't necessarily a guarantee of high income if your area of expertise doesn't have any real employability.
I don't know that much about what you can do with an education in physics, but I would think that someone who focused on applied physics might have some options. Getting a PhD in theoretical physics, unless you were planning to teach, would pretty much be the longest and most expensive McDonalds employment application you ever filled out.
Mech engineering is top tier. Nuclear, aerospace and petrol and all mechanical engineering's children.
>>59435755
And then in 6 years,
>He can't find a real job.
>the importance of your education is to make the most sheckles and die with the most toys
Absolutely garbage. If your education isn't based on improving the world or discovery and research, you wasted your fucking life, mate. The shit I work on changes how we look at the world. Expand knowledge bases and your work will last forever. Or you can chase sheckles for your boss like a good goyim and live an unsatisfying and die an inconsequential death.
>>59439007
There's no such thing as a "Risk Management" bachelor's. Those are all master's things.
>>59436363
>godaddy
Answer me this anon- why does a website hosting company make commercials with sexy women doing sexy things that have no bearing on their actual product.
It must be working-they can afford to pay you 80k
>>59439088
There's nothing great about redistribution of wealth. It's a money suck out of the productive members of the economy and thereby inefficient allocation of resources. It makes the poor poorer in the long run relative to what could be through efficient allocation of resources. When you crowd out private investment in favor of public investment, peoples needs don't get satisfied to the same extent most noticeably in the long run.
>All this economics hate itt
I don't get this meme. Even Econ undergrads do better than most other business majors here.
>>59438572
Do hackathons with a group of friends.
>>59435755
Why not military? Regardless of whether you consider them heroes (which I hope you do) is this based on US military? Of so why is it at the bottom?
>>59435755
Guess that Associates I have in Emergency medicine is useless.
I'll remember that if you ever end up in the back of my rig.
But seriously, what the fuck is up with these threads constantly being spammed?
Did you know that people have different types of brains that process information differently?
Do what you're good at, but more importantly, do what makes you happy and stop with this reddit-tier hurr-durr un-STEM degeneracy bullshit.
Fucks sake.
>>59439729
This can hardly be accurate.
>>59436690
>tradesman
>earning more than a lawyer
Sounds about right for Amerikkka hue
>mfw taking studying for the lsat because my gf is
It doesn't matter what she does- her parents will pay for the whole law shebang and she'll probably end up a housewife a few years later making her entire post-secondary education a giant waste of both time and money.
But her parents will foot the bill and it'll keep her occupied until I'm financially set to let her pump out a few babies.
>>59439729
Just to make it clear, the high IQ in Banking & Finance isn't due to the taught theory being particularly difficult. It's just that a lot of smart people want to play that game and the bar is raised really high.
You need to be smart to do the work - you don't need to be smart to learn the theory.
>>59440084
You're implying that I disagree with what you are saying. I literally am against socialism. You're arguing with somebody you agree with.
>>59439007
Nigga, I live in Washington and everyone here is depressed because of vitamin D deficiency caused by the weather. LITERALLY EVERYONE is willing to pay for a psychiatrist. With a psychology degree, I make (depending on the year) 250k - 300k a year. And I've only been at it for 4 years now.
>mfw I am the example of white privilege
>free college paid by parents
>parents have no debt
>3.2 meh tier GPA
>Electrical Engineering Major
>Parents house fully paid off
>own a car without a lease
Even if my life goes shit, I still have a FREE house from inheritance.
>mfw voting Trump
>he fell for the college meme
>he isn't doing a trade and becoming a private contractor
>>59440314
It's usually just insecure teenagers fellating themselves.
>>59439585
Ups xP my bad xD I should learn to read better haha!!!1
>>59435755
>>59439284
geophysics in "god" tier and "good" tier
>>>/trash/ indeed
>>59440034
>implying you will be remembered by anyone
>>59440402
>own a car without a lease
you don't own a car with a lease
>>59440430
I wish that made it less irritating.
>>59436363
Yea and enjoy making that for the rest of your life. That's what STEM faggots don't get. You'll have an above average income, but it'll basically stay like that forever. Plus you're probably a boring smelly nerd loser.
>>59435755
>unbelievable tier
>posting the meme image
>>59437071
>PoliSci
Fun major, definitely enjoyed myself.
Job opportunities tend to be a little shittier than average but not as bad as STEM autists make them out to be.
Ultimately it'll really depend on how well you can sell yourself/what other skills you're bringing to the table.
>>59439750
After about 75k happiness really doesn't increase anymore, they've done studies on it
>>59435755
Easiest bait
>>59440521
Not if you do computer science and math with a deep understanding of economics/business. You can become a self thriving entrepreneur.
>>59435755
engineers above others?
a firefighter and a doctor is more respectable and noteworthy than being a nerd. this isnt the bing bang theory tv show retard
>these charts never have journalism
>I'm literally in school to become a shill and nobody cares
>I'm going to shit post on online publications for starvation wages for the rest of my life
>>59439903
All physics is a mixture of applied and theoretical as long as hypotheses are being tested and experiments being run.
Also even if you get a PhD in String Theory, you'd still be extremely valuable to the job market. Pure theoretical physics requires extreme mathematical and logical thinking abilities which could readily be reapplied to another field.
Chemical Engineers are just bad chemists
>>59439475
PhD typically means you fucking love what you're doing for itself...it's a shitty fate so I need to read the whole article to know whether the guy was really shitty at finding jobs or just incredibly down on his luck
Physics major from Russia here.
I'm thinking about turn to Computer Science or Electrical Engeniring and move move to US or Europe. That is better in terms of later salary? Is PhD trap real in this areas?
Recently got MSc. in Life Sciences
Where are all the CRISPR/CAS9 job opportunities at.
Looks like I'll be wageslaving away in a lab all my life since I'm too autistic to lead people.
>going to college
>not being born into a rich family
enjoy fighting over the scraps.
>>59440603
This
You can pretty much succeed with almost any major in OP if you network like a motherfucker. My boss for my last internship was a history and literature double major and dude must have been pulling in $105k+
>>59435755
>Park Administration
>Not at least God Tier
fuck this stupid meme
>>59439844
I'm with you man. Duke fag here that majored in political science (IR) but I can't decide if I really want to follow that path, find some marketing or sales gig, or just fuck off back home and try to become a winemaker or distiller. The last option sounds the most appealing by far.
>>59440669
Well at least you enjoy doing it. Half of STEM fags literally hate the field they're pursing and look only to the nice paycheck. They're setting themselves up for constant crippling depression, regret, and a deep sense of unfufiillment.
t. Engineering Major
>tfw info systems master race
Can't wait to be the boss of you CS dweebs.
>>59440077
It's eye catching and provocative. It's far more attention grabbing than a commercial that says "we'll host your web content!".
>>59440626
Well if you know business/economics that's different. Trolling aside, I find that many STEMs are pretty illiterate about world affairs and things beyond very basic business. I remember in a GenEd history class I took several premed students did not know what "globalization" meant or was. Kinda sad since they were upperclassmen.
People joke about how people who aren't STEM are just drinking all the time and partying but the kids who do that actually have better luck finding jobs because drinking implies that they're talking and probably networking with strangers.
I was Poly sci, but funny enough I guess I was technically "STEM" because I learned GIS while in school.
>>59435755
Here's your (You)
>>>/reddit/
Computer Science master race
We will replace all of your jobs and get filthy rich in doing so.
>>59440848
You really only need a bachelors in any engineering subfield. Very few engineers have higher than a masters, because engineering isn't research-orientate in the way a PhD track is. No real benefit comes from getting an engineering PhD.
>you kinda need a PhD in physics though
>>59440034
That depends on your way of looking at it. People who only care about earning money have a tendency to be dull and uninteresting, but they also tend to be well adjusted and have happy family lives. Focusing on building wealth and maximizing earning power early on in life also frees you up to expand your horizons later in life; just because you didn't waste your time studying philosophy or theoretical sciences when you were 18 doesn't mean you couldn't pick up those subjects later as a hobby.
People who set out with lofty goals of changing or improving the world, unless they happen to be exceptionally (and I mean EXCEPTIONALLY) talented, almost invariably end up the most bitter and depressed. Call it shallow if you want, but if your only goal in obtaining education is to make more money, you have a much greater chance at success and therefore fulfillment than if you set out to be the person who makes some amazing breakthrough that changes the world.
It's not all about materialism, either; rich people tend to spend less time WORRYING about money since they don't have the same concerns about meeting basic material needs that poor people do. It also means having the freedom to work less and spend more time with your family than you'd be able to if you had a lower-paying job, being able to provide your children with more material comforts and options than if you were poor, having more options in the event of an emergency or catastrophe, having better healthcare....the list just keeps going.
Having a meaningful life doesn't necessarily mean revolutionizing or changing the world in some meaningful way. In the end, if you enjoy life and find meaning in the things you do, you'll be much happier than you would if you focus all of your energy trying to make some huge difference, only to end up failing. "Chasing money" might not lead to happiness, but on average people who at least prioritize earning money tend to be happier than those who don't.
>>59435755
>mfw the Classics aren't even on the list
Funny how you niggers bitch about the spread of degeneracy in academia, yet will ignore the root cause of it; when the Classics were entirely abandoned.
>>59439581
As opposed to wasting your life savings on getting a Jew-approved education just so you can waste away inside a cubicle? Kek
A theist rationalist Humanities Professor was teaching a class on Plato, known non-logical positivist
”Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and worship Plato and accept that he was the most highly-evolved being the world has ever known, even greater than Newton!”
At this moment, an emotionless, Vulcan, logical postivist STEM major who had watched all episodes of Bill Nye the science guy and understood the necessity of Empiricism and fully supported everything Neil deGrasse Tyson ever said held up a copy of Phenomenology of the Spirit.
”How does any of this crap make sense?”
The arrogant professor smirked quite post-modernly and smugly replied “Of course not! Truth is entirely subjective, you stupid STEMfag”
”Wrong. The basis for truth is to test something 5,000 times with double blind experiments in a lab. If I can't see it.... then it isn't there!”
The professor was visibly shaken, and dropped his chalk and copy of Thus Spoke Zarathustra. He stormed out of the room crying those continental tears, which just shows that he was still being controlled by his emotions. There is no doubt that at this point our professor, some gay Frenchman, wished he had pulled himself up by his bootstraps and become more than a sophist philosophy professor. He wished so much that he had a gun to shoot himself from embarrassment, but he himself denied causality having read Hume!
The students applauded and all changed their degrees to STEM, though all of them would fail to find employment as the market was oversaturated, and accepted Sam Harris as their Lord and Saviour. An eagle named “Empiricism” flew into the room and perched atop a copy of Principia de Mathematica and shed a tear on the chalk. The Bill Nye the Science Guy theme was sung several times, and Steven Hawking himself showed up to explain how science has replaced philosophy.
The professor lost his tenure and was fired the next day. He died of an existentialist crisis.
>>59441068
so much this.
first year STEM kids fail to understand that no one gives a rat's ass what classes you took in college. it's all about who you know and if you can be a normal human around other people. no one wants to hire an overgrown awkward manchild.
>>59440913
Too fucking true. It was crazy hearing kids in college talking about their private boarding schools growing up. People who have been living a college life since middle or high school--people who had the option of taking compsci classes 10 years ago and entering college vastly ahead of their peers or just had to not get wholly disowned by their parents and put into a job at one of their own companies (or a friend).
The amount of access and opportunity money provides is incredible. It really makes me think somethings it's the only way to be totally free.
>>59435755
So influencing kids through teaching high school isn't of any interest to /pol/? I guess that's why the commies are winning.
>>59440988
You can be my boss senpai
>>59440936
what was he doing? blowing the Syrian refugees as they came off the boat?
Econ major here. About to make bank!
>>59439596
Honestly from what I've heard it's such a crapshoot I wouldn't even bother with the risk.
I mean even if you do end up with a 160k+bonus big law job you still have an assload of debt to pay down, a ridiculous no-life work/stress load and the ever present fear that you'll get dropped on your ass hard 2-4 years in.
And even if you aren't let go after a year or two or three there's an excellent chance you'll self-select out due to the ridiculous work/stress levels.
The only legal work with any sort of sane work/life balance is with the state and the salaries are just too low to justify it (unless it's always been your life dream to defend DeMarcius from his 7th drive by shooting/crack possession charges).
The legal industry is fucked and I wouldn't expect it to become unfucked for at minimum another decade.
You might as well look into writing copy.
>>59441185
this. BTFO
that good feel when unbelievable tier and i'll be pulling six figures just for waving a wand around
you guys will never believe me, but whatever.
>be me
>be living next door to a high ranking official at a local corporation
>we meet, she thinks I'm a "smart guy"
>she hires me to do shit that I'm not even qualified to do
>been working for her for 3 years now making more money than my friends that graduated with STEM degrees
bottom line is, college degrees don't mean dick. networking and meeting people is vastly superior. I'm only in my 2nd year of college and I'm already a couple of years into a solid career. don't fall for the STEM stigma. get out there and mingle. don't spend your life rotting away online and think you'll get hired.
>>59440521
I don't understand a lot of the cynicism and suspicion I see on chans from youngfags about stem careers. Personally I don't have a problem with earning $80k for the rest of my life; that sounds great. $80k is more than my dad makes, and he provided a nice life for me growing up. Furthermore, technology is a field that is constantly growing and expanding, and on average the more things you know how to do, the more advancement opportunities there are available to you if you want them.
>boring smelly nerd loser
Better than being a brokefag.
Stem isn't a meme. Liberal arts don't have very good job placement.
>>59438386
my dads a brick layer and a cunt.
i laugh when he complains about his back pain and shoulder
>>59439007
>Math Ph D in both Superb Tier and Bad Tier
This is surprisingly accurate at least from my pov. I graduated with a math phd a few years ago and I loled and nodded my head seeing math ph d in both the Superb Tier *and* the Bad Tier. When I first graduated, I wanted to get a superb job but it was hard, and when you graduate you get a lot of offers for shitty teaching jobs. University Teaching jobs are like Oddesseus's Sirens, they are a job that's right there in front of you that's easy to get *and* you get to think of yourself as a "professional mathematician" for a little while more. They even slightly increase your pay over that graduate student stipend you were getting. But it's a trap, there's no room for career advancement and your job depends on teacher evaluations written by privileged 18 year olds, and there's no such thing as tenure for these adjunct positions. All this together means the Unis never have to raise your salary either. University math course teaching (adjunct positions) is a seductive trap. I did it for a semester but just kept applying for superb tier jobs on the side, and finally got out into one. Best decision of my life. Some of the people I graduate with are still in teaching jobs with no hope of job security or advancement (most jobs are to just reteach highschool-level math anyway, since that's the most demand). It's sad, I ask my former colleagues why they don't change jobs, and they always get a wistful tear in their eye and say "maybe tomorrow..."
>>59439729
>tfw amazing verbal SAT, meh quant.
>editor of highschool newspaper
>avid reader, wrote shitloads of shitty fiction as a kid/teenager
>was on my college newspaper for less than a week before quitting due to angst/light skinned female turkish editor making it very clear she didn't like white men
>didn't double major in english because it was heavily infected with leftist political ideologies and absurd racial politics
>gave up writing in my free time
>instead of learning a new skill or developing myself further I took up drinking and became an alcoholic
>Quit drinking but between work/working out/social/romantic life I don't have much time for independent projects
I wish I had been less of a faggot and had taken advantage of all of the opportunities I had in college.
Oh well, hindsight is 20/20.
Maybe one of these days I will take a shitty part time service industry job, downgrade my life style (not that hard- it's pretty damn sparse already) and give writing a good honest go.
>>59439391
>>>59439100
>>The US military has a higher suicide rate than any other profession in America.
>>59439513
>>>59439391
>HOW?
>What is going on in there?
They allow gays and women on the front lines now, makes straight men (the ones who can fight) want to kill themselves
>>59442164
because american army is full of faggotry. they rape and bash eachother.
>>59435755
who the fuck are you? you know who i am? i am a goddamn closer. i see people like you in bars shoulder to shoulder with all your pathetic friends going 'oh i did some sales after college,, uhhgh its a tough racket' sales takes balls. balls of fucking brass. brass balls. i made over 280 thousand dollars last year. thats how my white privileged ass can afford to drive to my corner office in an infiniti while you putz your prius to the cubicle where you talk about shit like synergy. get fucked in a powerful way bud, you dont measure up to proper salesmen like me by a longshot.
Everything but sales is shit.
Every year more and more companies are importing poo in loo to replace native engineers
>>59441241
Actually that's a good point. Networking is a skill that a lot of tech nerds unfortunately have difficulty mastering. There's also such a thing as being too smart. The professor in one of my programming classes was talking about how many supervisors prefer to hire competent programmers who can work on a team and deal with real life rather than genius-level programmers who are behave like complete autists. In addition to being difficult to work with and failing to meet deadlines, those guys also tend to want to write code that is far more complicated than what is needed, and get to be obsessive perfectionists about performing unnecessary optimizations and generally holding up the whole development process. Best way to get a solid tech job is to be knowledgeable and talented, but also be a team player who is able to interact with people outside of an anime convention.
>>59439844
fuck the west side come over here to the 509 man
it's sunny even when it's snowing
>>59442147
aryans aren't white, naziboo fag
>>59442243
kek
>>59440988
>>tfw info systems master race
>Can't wait to be the boss of you CS dweebs.
This is true, how the hell did you know to study this in college? I only found out what info systems was this week and I'm 28
>>59441190
>>mfw the Classics aren't even on the list
>Funny how you niggers bitch about the spread of degeneracy in academia, yet will ignore the root cause of it; when the Classics were entirely abandoned.
This is true! My wife and I will be homeschooling our kids using The Great Books of The Western World homeschool curriculum. (Actually we'll go with the Angelus version that comes with theology studies for extra degeneracy-proofed education.)
>>59440101
Econ is pretty based.
I think it's mostly actual econ majors/grads who are afraid of being unemployed post-grad/that one under-employed econ grad
>>59442299
It's a meme you dip
>>59442281
I have a friend who majored in Chem-E working over at the Hanford site.
I'd love to cross over and bro it out with him until his contract ran up. Unfortunately I have a job, a girlfriend and three months left on my lease.
>>59442354
Just researched a lot.
>tfw already a junior and been in college 2 years.
Easy as shit.
>>59436480
Eyyyyy mein negar
>>59441582
Fuark. I thought I was making it. Might as well end myself now
>>59437060
>electrical engineers
>fixing the shower
What the fuck kind of electrical engineers does Holland have? You cunts ever heard of a plumber?
>>59441145
You're a little late on the CS train family.
>>59442544
how hard is info systems actually? I'm in Stats and Comp Sci and think I should take a few rudimentary Comp Info Systems classes.
>>59435755
>falling for the college meme
>>59435755
What does it matter all stem jobs are going to h1b Indians
There will literally be 0 Zero Electrical Engineering growth within the next few years because of it
>>59441185
You enjoyment of things decreases with age.
A crazy trip with your friends to a different country in your early 20s will always be more significant and meaningful than traveling with your fat wife and kids in your 50s
>>59435755
hypothetically speaking let's say the great Happening happens and the world is fucked and our tech reverts back a few hundreds years in sophistication
what fields of trade would be the best to learn and utilize?
what
>>59442582
Hey man, just because a lot of people have fucked up their lives going to law school doesn't mean it's a death sentence.
There are still plenty of newly minted lawyers who're doing alright and enjoying their lives.
Its just not a risk I would take but then again I'm a pretty risk averse guy.
I guess you'll just have to wait and see how it turns out for you- it may well turn out to be the best decision of your life or it could be the worst.
Guess you'll just have to wait and see.
What school if you don't mind me asking?
>>59436480
Accounting and Finance here.
>>59435755
>still pushing the STEM meme after 20 fucking years
Friendly reminder that these are shill threads made by wageslaves working for corporate Jews who are trying to devalue these jobs by flooding the market with qualified people so they can "create competition" in the job market and pay STEM majors less.
Shoo shoo, slimy kike.
>tfw have degree in computer science but can't find a job because I have no experience and hate talking to people (aka networking).
>tfw I install water softening units in peoples' homes and complain about having to do so because my potential is being wasted
What do mates? My buddies told me I need to go to some tech meetups off of meetup.com and just start talking to people there.
>>59442654
Easy. Schedule next semester consists of Intermediate Programming, Business Statistics II, Small Groups Communicate, and Database Design.
I took Intro to Information Systems this past semester and it was the biggest joke ever.
Info systems is 50% business and 50% CS. In fact I went ahead and minored in Business because it was only one more class.
>>59442827
>>still pushing the STEM meme after 20 fucking years
>Friendly reminder that these are shill threads made by wageslaves working for corporate Jews who are trying to devalue these jobs by flooding the market with qualified people so they can "create competition" in the job market and pay STEM majors less.
>Shoo shoo, slimy kike.
This is why I don't support free open-source software bullshit. Of course I'll use it, why wouldn't I, but also why the hell do people make it? They're a bunch of cucks trying to "contribute to society" when all they're doing is making it so NO ONE can be paid for making that kind of software anymore. Free software folks are probably homos who want to destroy families, that's why
>>59442863
>>tfw have degree in computer science but can't find a job because I have no experience and hate talking to people (aka networking).
>>tfw I install water softening units in peoples' homes and complain about having to do so because my potential is being wasted
>What do mates?
An hero yourself. I work in tech and I hate how many socially awkward weeaboos there are, we don't need anymore thanks
>>59443155
>implying I'm socially awkward
You've got it twisted mate. I just find most people boring. I have no actual anxiety or problems talking to people.
>>59443080
WTF? So people should duplicate efforts as a sort of make-work? You know as soon as one thing gets done you can move on to the next thing...
>>59435755
>teachers are shit-tier
>languages are suicide tier
wat
I'm not doing either but... really? People really underestimate how difficult it is to teach retarded little kids how to teach. You can't just show them numbers 1-10 and expect them to understand it.
>>59443528
*how to count n shiet
Sorry, it's nearly 3:30
>>59443528
>>teachers are shit-tier
>>languages are suicide tier
>wat
>I'm not doing either but... really? People really underestimate how difficult it is to teach retarded little kids how to teach. You can't just show them numbers 1-10 and expect them to understand it.
The point is about pay and job stability. Teachers don't get paid shit unless they joined a public union in the 1970s before local governments started jewing down their contracts.
>>59443528
also language means you can be a fucking diplomat or overseas consultant.
Diplos maybe dont get paid $$$ unless they're top tier but they get to make a career out of wining and dining
>>59441227
Philosophy major here. Am 25, my salary is 60k and I received 20k in bonuses this year.
Philosophy is great for business. Teaches you to think logically, problem solve, and to explain your ideas clearly, both orally and in writing. American schools are terrible and focus on creating robots and not individuals who will question the status quo. Businesses want to hire people who can think, problem solve, and write well, so philosophy isn't a bad choice.
>>59443469
>WTF? So people should duplicate efforts as a sort of make-work? You know as soon as one thing gets done you can move on to the next thing...
But now everyone becomes dependent on free software made by social degenerates like those at the Mozilla foundation, who got Brendan Eich, the inventor of Javascript, kicked out of his position because he had a moral compass and donated $1000 to an anti-homo marriage campaign
>>59443753
>Philosophy major here. Am 25, my salary is 60k and I received 20k in bonuses this year.
>Philosophy is great for business. Teaches you to think logically, problem solve, and to explain your ideas clearly, both orally and in writing. American schools are terrible and focus on creating robots and not individuals who will question the status quo. Businesses want to hire people who can think, problem solve, and write well, so philosophy isn't a bad choice.
Depends if you do Analytic Philosophy or Continental Philosophy, but assuming it's the former then I agree
>>59436363
>go daddy
hahaha
>>59442863
Have you tried angel list?
>>59443357
Learn to fake it then autist. Plenty of people probably feel bored talking to you too, they don't let it affect their careers.
>>59443357
>i'm simply too smart for the plebs who are beneath me.
>>59436290
Philosophy Master Race...
>>59444246
I like my coffee black
>>59436142
Physics major with computer science minor, Trinity College in Hartford.
It's the "yeah, we were pretty good back in the day" of NAFTA
>>59435755
>finance lower than math
Come on, dude.
>>59444246
>>59444278
my dad has a degree in philosophy/religious studies
he runs a website for a company for a living, dont think he ever did she with his degree other than join a weird religion kek
by the way pol, can you guys give me career advice for a sec
I went for >polysci (meme, I know) and dropped out after about three years in from the stupidity of it Am thinking about going back and getting a real major or at least finishing what I started. what I mean to ask is:
what's a good short-term credential major or degree I can take to have a real job and career money in the short term while I patch my academic life together? Was thinking trying for accounting or trades or something, although honestly I'm not really thrilled about any of the options on the table right now and would appreciate some advice
also. Any thoughts on a masters in systems science? I can't tell if I'm wasting my money if I decide to go for one
I start my first job out of college tomorrow. Making 35k a year. Biology major. Is this a normal starting wage? I have a tone of benefits and perks, like 40 bucks a day for meals and stuff too.
>>59435755
>tfw work in oil in Texas
FUCK
I'm military and it's better than all the shit there is on that list - enjoy your debt, faggots.
https://soundcloud.com/couchtruthing/demon-nigger1
how many GBP do i get for majoring in Trades.
>>59442746
>**CUTE TOMATO**(かわいいトマト)
SHOO SHOO BETA BITCHBOI
>>59444461
>biology major
Literal trash unless you get a Masters or PhD then get into Pharma or research some shit.
>>59444482
Enjoy your true bosses.
>>59443753
I took some classes in the Philosophy department on logic which I found interesting and have helped me with my understanding of how to write computer programs. Modern programming is more about logic than math these days anyway, I wouldn't be averse to reducing the math workload for a CS degree and replacing it with some logic and interpersonal skills / communications requirements.
>>59444461
You get per diem when not working out of town? Sounds like a decent set up for starting out and I assume no family to fund.
I tried getting into a PhD program but they all said outright they wouldn't accept anyone who didn't have any work experience. Well, other than a few universities that I got accepted to, but didn't offer fellowships (aka, scam schools).
>>59444905
Was replying to this
>>59444656
>>59444674
Pro tip: they're your boss too.
>>59444461
There are too many fucking variables to tell you man.
35k for a bio major isn't too bad from what I hear.
On the top end I have a friend who graduated with a degree in Chem E with a 3.94 gpa from a good state school (this kid is literally the smartest guy I know; had a 4.0 in highschool taking 5 ap/college in the classroom classes both his junior and senior year, triple excel in math plus his dad graduated from Yale with an EE degree and he had an older sister graduate from Stanford medical so it runs in the family for sure) and he's making 70k a year at the Hanford nuclear site with like a 10-15k (forget how much exactly) signing bonus.
I have another friend who's going to work for Microsoft and he's making 80-90k starting plus a ridiculous signing bonus.
Me on the other hand- I'm making 26k base plus commission selling insurance. My boss tried to convince me I'd crack 70k my first year with commish- I assumed it'd be more in the 32-35k range (just being realistic) and then it'd climb from there.
Between my complete lack of sales acumen and my boss' stunning ineptitude (for a while he had me working off of lead lists that were 2-3 years old. Oftentimes more than half of the phone numbers straight up wouldn't work among many, many other snafus) I haven't made a single sale in almost three months of working and 4-6 weeks of selling.
I'm probably going to have quit soon if I'm not fired.
So yeah, it just depends.
I wake up every morning hating my life.
>>59444674
>not jew world order
Wasted opportunity t b h f a m
>>59444410
I was in a similar position, went to college when I was 21 for a music major, dropped out after a while because it was pointless. Currently taking a second crack at college at age 32 for CompSci, feeling pretty good about it so far.
In the short term I'd recommend getting a certificate-type job to pay the bills. I got certified as a pharmacy technician. The work sucks and I wouldn't want to do it for longer than a few years, but jobs are not hard to find if you're patient and diligent and you can earn that coveted $15 per hour without having to protest in the streets like a megafaggot or waste your vote on Bernie. The only thing required for certification is to pass a test, which you can prepare for either by enrolling in a pharm tech training program (what I did, personally don't recommend) or by purchasing studying materials from your local bookstore and preparing for the exam on your own (what I would do if I could repeat the process over; you'll mostly end up learning everything on the job anyway).
Don't know much about the masters in systems science, but I would recommend doing some serious research and selecting a major carefully, particularly for anything above a bachelor's degree. It can seriously go either way depending on the field of study.
Majored in Art and I am a train conductor making a good living.
>>59444905
>I tried getting into a PhD program but they all said outright they wouldn't accept anyone who didn't have any work experience. Well, other than a few universities that I got accepted to, but didn't offer fellowships (aka, scam schools).
As someone who got a phd first and a job afterward, I think that's a good requirement actually because if I had had just a few months experience I would better be able to understand workflows and using my thesis to build a money-making project.
> tfw freshman aerospace engineer straight out of high school
> tfw get accepted into research lab and getting paid $20/hr to help do microgravity research
> already machining parts for experiments being launched into space early next year and helping do important research
Feels good. And this is just what has happened in my first semester which just ended.
>>59445189
For who? I'm an engineer for CP.
>>59444714
I found Logic to be a pretty fun class (I enjoyed the problem solving). I'm not surprised it helps with writing code.
I also really enjoyed Euclidean Geometry. It's amazing how many people, including scientists and engineers I've talked to think it's a useless class. But it requires you to acknowledge certain truths (axioms) and then build a mathematical system upon those axioms, without using numbers. So many people don't understand reason and I think it's because traditional subjects like logic and Euclid have been removed from curriculums. Those subjects should really be taught in high school.
>>59435755
Question. I am majoring in Zoology right now. Have one year left but I joined the Army reserves. My MOS is Practical nursing, but I want to go to Veterinarian school.
How dumb am I /pol/? Am I wasting time?
>>59435755
>Military
>Shit tier
Not all of us were mature enough for high school anon. Im joining so I grow up and get free education afterwards.
>>59445674
>It's amazing how many people, including scientists and engineers I've talked to think it's a useless class. But it requires you to acknowledge certain truths (axioms) and then build a mathematical system upon those axioms,
People hate Euclidean Geometry because things like acknowledging truths and building your own mathematical system from them -independent of any bureaucratic approval process- makes you an independent man
>>59435755
>anthropology
>meh tier
How are all those museum tour guide job apps coming along son?
>>59445372
Amtrak, I wanted on with BNSF though
>>59439007
>>59439596
>non T14 law degree is worthless
This meme needs to die. Most lawyers in my state are non-T14, how the fuck is that reconcilable?
Being at a weak regional school is of course shit, but if your school is over 70% employment after 9 months and you aren't an autistic faggot you'll be fine.
>>59445916
Military is really what you make of it.
I'm met some absolutely retarded mid/late 20-something ex-military shits who chose to molder in community college and let their bodies rot just because they didn't have a drill sergeant screaming at them and some remarkably put together individuals who used their time serving to mature, let off some steam and formulate a plan for the rest of education/career.
If you follow through you'll have some wonderful opportunities available to you in a few years- don't squander them.
>>59446338
It's more opportunity cost than anything else.
If you took out 180k in loans to finish your law degree and you can only find a job with 60k starting you're not in a great position.
Sure there are government loan repayment programs you can enroll in but even still- if you're comparing your career prospects to what you could be doing had you forgone law school, three years out of the labor force and all that immense debt (plus interest!).
Not that great of a decision- especially considering that most law school graduates are (supposed to be at least) more intelligent than your average man on the street by a healthy margin meaning they should've been able to do something well paid and meaningful had they skipped out on law school in favor of something else.
>>59446721
Agreed on the loans. I chose a strong regional Tier 2 over higher ranked schools because I go for free. Most students I know have taken out stupid amounts to maybe land an 80k starting salary.
I was fortune to have extremely good connections and decent grades, along with no debt. The degrees themselves aren't useless, but yes if you took 200k in debt and had shit grades you're in a horrible situation.
>>59445998
This is true and incredibly sad.
In most US primary and middle schools they don't even teach history. I had to take years worth of 'social studies' instead. The goal of the class was to teach 'civic competence'. Basically meant instead of learning about western civilization we studied 'peaceful' Native American tribes.
>tfw union job with a pension
>>59447039
I'm looking at BYU Law. Tier 1 school, 11k for Mormons and 20~k for non-mormons (I would convert just for the lower tuition. I really need to look and see if they require the year abroad deal or if they'll wave it for adult converts).
I was already planning on moving somewhere in the South-West (I'm fucking sick of Seattle and I could potentially go to jail if I accidentally bump into the wrong people).
I don't drink and I wouldn't mind giving up coffee.
It's something to look forward to even if it is just a pipe dream. Realistically I could graduate with 10-20k in student loans total (no undergrad student debt).
That would be the dream.
But we'll see.
The price has to be right.
>>59446721
Needs /fit/ on the bottom left guy.
>>59436690
>>>59438325
>>59441582
>>59442813
>>59446338
>>59447039
>>59447468
Don't go to law school. I got my 160k a year job from pic related. It is not worth it. Go to a top business school and join an investment bank.
>>59435755
>law
>good tier
>not great tier or god tier
lmao plz go home neckbeard.
>>59447694
Give pic related a looksie.
A little outdated (a lot can change in four years) and he definitely panders to the "fuck law school" crowd but with all that said he still brings up some very excellent points.
>>59447693
Dream school desu senpai.
Not miring the work/life balance tho.
Have you considered going into academia?
Teaching (even or maybe especially) at a tier three school could be hella fun.
>>59447858
I would not want to teach a 1L law class. It is literally 'here is the rule. This rule can be interpreted one way. It can also be interpreted this way." and then constructing exams to see if the students can talk out of both sides of their mouths.
Teaching a clinic or M&A class might be fun.
I would actually prefer a lower tier school. U Chicago students are conservative but no personality. The undergrads are literally all autistic and there are only 5k of them.
>>59448145
>mfw talking to a U-Chicago law school grad
>mfw he works for a big law firm
I guess I can kind of see it given U-Chicago's conservative reputation but still, what are you doing on /pol/ man?
>>59439284
I have a friend who went to RISD, graduated almost top of her class. She got a job on Chicago, she's making less than 50 and she's got terrible benefits. Architecture sucks unless you work for contracting firms.
>>59439680
Theta chi till I die
I did Comp. Engineering. First year out of college with my bachelors, making 10-20k more than my peers in the same area. Constantly getting offers from competitors. My only real problem is how hard I get screwed on my taxes.
>>59448746
Sorry. My peers that went into CS, making far more than my peers that went into EE, somewhere in the tune of 30k.
>>59444535
Shoo shoo beta bitchboi
>>59447858
I've read it. Many of his points apply to many fields in terms of expensive tuition and over saturation.
Would you agree or disagree that cream always rises?
>>59436577
Same
>lmao math here made 300k right out of college
Jesus just do what you enjoy and then go to a trade school.
I majored in Psychology, what's wrong with it?
>>59435755
>Vet and Medicine aren't unbelievable tier
OP's pic was made by an engineer. Vet and medicine are much harder to get into. All the asians at my school try engineering if they couldn't make it into med school.
>>59435755
they're projecting zero job growth for electrical engineering. seems like it might be shit tier now
>>59435755
I majored in business. I do pretty well.
I cannot imagine a scenario where someone who majored in criminal justice or "veterinary studies" (whatever the fuck that is) has better job prospects, unless they go all the way to a JD or DVM.
Computer science is hot right now, but do you really want to be a 60 year old man who writes code?
>>59449064
>vet
Seriously this is the most retarded appreciated profession in the world. Its only purpose is treating fucking vanity animals. It's about the least important profession in the world, only barely ahead of a pet shop salesperson.
Medicine, Engineering, Finance etc, all actually contribute to the world in a way that has an impact.
>>59449125
>>59449026
How's flippin burgers?
>>59449211
Just don't come crying to me when Fido dies ok?
>>59435755
>Biology
>Great
Top fucking kek unless you want to get your PhD and shift into industry, but you'd be better getting an engineering or (bio)stats degree if that's your plan.
>>59449145
>who writes code
Comp Sci is so much more than writing code. Programmers (those who just write code) are being automated as we speak, there won't be many left in 30 years time.
>>59435755
I'm 20 and have never stepped foot in a university
Wat do?
>>59449282
I don't give a fuck about Fido. I've never had any pets (unless my monkey of a sister living under the same roof counts).
>>59437945
>educated people are more liberal
>haha unfortunate truth guys
>no way can those liberals be right
>>59449145
>do you really want to be a 60 year old man who writes code?
Well, there is academic computer science where you can study theory of computation and do research. Tenure is hard to attain, but still better than super competitive humanities subjects like Philosophy (want depressing? look at blogs on getting tenure in PHI). Being an old fuck in CS academe is respectable.
>>59448863
As a general principle yes.
But I can understand the frustration.
What if you know you're not the cream of the crop but you've grown up your whole life knowing you're smarter and more academically capable than most of your peers.
Let's say consistently top 5%. And you want to go to law school so you can become a solo practitioner or work as a prosecutor- I don't know, modest aspirations.
And now you're finding out that the safe, rewarding career you've been working towards the bulk of your life may well not only not work out but leave you worse off than if you had stayed home on your parent's couch. And now of course you have to divert your time and labor into learning a new, different skill set.
Of course many people are going to be frustrated. I'm more of the put your head down and work type but I can empathize with the faggots who're just finding out they're screwed
>>59449317
>programs that program themselves
at least we still need programmer to write the program to program other programs.
In other words we might always need some kind of programmer.
>>59449369
Oh yeah if it doesn't apply to you, then it doesn't matter. My bad.
>>59449252
You tell me.
I want to go to HBS /pol/, how do I jew myself into it?
>>59449323
watch online lectures or take online classes.
university is pretty degenerate at this point, pay shekels for the professors to not teach shit at all and get passed with a curved C so they can take your shekels again next semester.
>>59448539
Graduating top of your class doesn't mean as much as you think it does in architecture in terms of career field. Employers are more focused on your work and how feasible they are, not letter grades. That isn't a necessarily a free pass either, as coming up with functional and good looking designs on a consistent basis takes a fair amount of effort.
>>59436553
I've heard the term "welding" accompanied with good job prospects so much I'm inclined to believe this welding thing is becoming a meme.
>>59449026
I pretty much just started my work for a psych major. Do you have any tips or advice for me that I might not know?
No college. I work a union job, make good money, good benefits, pension so I can retire after 20 years, great work schedule, love going to work. It's out there just have to get it.
>>59440084
>implying your wealth directly correlates to productivity
In a perfect world your opinion wouldn't be shit
>>59439844
Why don't you learn how to fly planes?
Being an airplane pilot can relieve your stress, you meet really nice people and its a great experience.
>>59435755
Why is civil engy only great tier?
>>59449620
I know, I teach myself history and read classic literature all the time, I'm being to learn French as well, doesn't help with my wmployment prospects
>>59449727
The pay can be quiet lucrative, you need to know what you're getting into though, it isn't a job for everyone
It depends on location so much, you can be making 100k easily welding amd machining however I can weld and machine but have been working in fast food for the past 2 years due to being unable to find a job
>>59450161
Come to the US, we have a major shortage of welders. I know 3 and they all make around 100k
>>59435755
>yfw I double bachelored in criminal justice and psychology and in less than a year of graduation will be making 80k which is equivalent to six figures out in Cali or New york
While I agree women's studies is suicidal saying psychology is a shit tier degree is just fucking silly with as many "muh feels" faggots abound.
>>59449026
>tfw psych major
>want to do MBA and get into business because I like not begging for jobs that pay <50k
>>59435755
>>59439007
Just proves you shitlords don't know jack shit about what you're talking about.
I will give it to you, it's widely known that math and science oriented fields make generally more money. But undergrad doesn't really mean that much, it's your graduate degree that matters truly. Furthermore, it's not just about the degree, it's all about networking as well.
Why do I say this is bullshit? Because I've met people with "Management" Masters degrees, who are making six figures, including my mother, actually. Of course, some people get a degree and get the shit end of the stick, but that's worst case scenario, there's also median salary and then the top salaries of the people with these degrees.
I wouldn't be surprised if the person who wrote this post was a NEET or flunked out of college
>>59450518
I'm planning on doing the same thing, I'm thinking about doing organizational/industrial psychology, one of the fields where you can make decent money with psychology
>>59450134
>civil "not smart enough for any other type" engineer
>No major in petroleum sciences
Nigger I made $200k a year
>>59452177
>oil prices crashing
I'm sure the long term outlook for the field is just perfect...
