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FACT: Taxpayers (you and me) foot the bill for food stamps, energy assistance and other social services that adult, fulltime employees of corporations such as Wal-Mart and McDonalds can't afford, thanks to their super low wages.
We are literally paying money to support corporate profit. How does that strike you?
>>59434706
If we can get rid of the EITC [Earned Income Tax Credit] then, and only then, should there be any discussion about raising the minimum wage.
If they make minimum wage, but don't have to pay any Federal income tax, *and* get all the Social Security [including employer contribution] back, then they can STFU.
Labor glut, deport the 12 million illegals and then labor can demand better wages.
I worked at Target right out of highschool. They started $7.25 and was part time. Looking back and not so stupid anymore I can't believe i wasted my time there.
>>59434868
I contribute to that fund, but don't really understand it.
All I'm saying is that either the company pays a survivable wage, or the government (taxpayers) has to step in and fill the gaps.
I believe the former is the ethical responsible party.
>>59435045
Yeah. Small wonder the powers that be continue to leave the floodgates open, right?
>>59435109
>All I'm saying is that either the company pays a survivable wage, or the government (taxpayers) has to step in and fill the gaps.
As I said - let's remove EITC. Once that's gone, we can talk about adjusting the minimum wage. And until that's done, raising the minimum wage should be completely off the table even for discussion.
I'm not a giant fan of corporate greed and exploitation of low tier workers but as far as I know I have to place blame on more than just the top level people that run shit.
If I'm not mistaken the commonfolk pay like the least of government assistance taxes and the top richest people pay the most. That's what I keep hearing and reading.
And I would think that money for food assistance should be given to people that need it but unfortunately it isn't given our fairly and a lot of shitbags that know how to ride the government train end up with that extra money.
Daily reminder you can live perfectly fine on min wage if you aren't a dumbass
>I'm a taxpayer
Kek sure you are
I had good enough skill and looked hard enough that I had people coming after me for a job.
I never settled for minimum wage.
How hard is it to find a $20/h job in the US? I mean, do you have to be a total fuck up to make minimum wage in Wal-Mart, or can it basicly happen to everyone?
>>59435448
Or people should just get better jobs that paymore than the minimum wage? Typical American
they'll just raise their prices you dumb fuck so either way we're stuck with taking care of them
>>59434706
FACT: The Fed just loans money at almost zero (oops now 0.25 - 0.5 %) percent interest rates to the federal government. Who gives a fuck. We can do whatever we want to the USD.
>>59435994
>Or people should just get better jobs that paymore
I agree. But even then, my issue is the EITC.
For those unfamiliar, it was something that slithered out of the Clinton administration. Basically, it lets low wage workers pay zero federal taxes.
Even the employer kick-in for Social Security - they get it paid back to them. And they still get credit for having paid it, when they file for Social Security later.
It's like ultimate turbo leach mode. And nobody getting that deserves a higher minimum wage.
>>59434706
protip: raising the min wage wouldn't make up for the benefits they'd lose by being paid more.
Minimum wage will always be minimum wage, no matter what the wage is. Socialist cucks don't get this. Lrn2 market.
>>59435994
You can't get a better job when those jobs require skills and education that poor people have no time to get, because every waking hour is spent working.
Enact and enforce e-Verify, with felony penalties
Sunset SNAP, WIC, Medicaid, and SS disability over next 10 years
Raise retirement age to 70 over next 5 years
Means test social security
End EITC
Flattened tax scheme with 10, 15, 20% brackets
Eliminate loopholes
THEN we can start to talk about minimum wage and federal gas tax hikes
>>59436244
Nobody does full time hours any more thanks to obabocare. Nice try, commie, but you can't use that one anymore.
>>59435879
>How hard is it to find a $20/h job in the US
Four years of college and $60,000 in debt might land you a $20/h job.
>>59436244
>This is what lazy degenerates actually believe.
Plenty of poor people have dragged themselves up into middle class if they want it enough.
>>59436289
Its called working multiple jobs. Everyone I know working low level jobs works multiple jobs in order to get by. They want to go to college, but they lack the time and money.
>>59435879
>$20/hr job
>USA
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAh no such thing m8 unless you do what
>>59436303
said
>>59436289
I have a full time job and I mean 40hrs a week at $10.50/hr.
>>59436347
Not him but I'm pretty sure plenty of others have fucking failed. What's your point? because a few have done it it should be reasonable to expect EVERYBODY to mirror their scenerio? as if everyone doesn't have unique situations that help them out/ drag them down.
>>59436495
My wife and I started with minimum wage jobs. We now both have master's degrees, and debt free, and our combined income exceeds $200K.
Don't hate capitalism. The alternatives kind of suck.
>>59436579
Smart people do it, if you're not smart then you deserve to be earning minimum wage.
>>59436303
its more like >80,000$, and more than 4 years,
BS are becoming as useless as Associate degrees
>>59436677
Lets pretend you're right. Do you truly think that because people are less intelligent, they should be treated as slaves? Do you truly think that the proper way to handle things is to let the rich make countless billions off of the backs of people who don't make enough money for food and shelter?
>>59436677
>smart people do it
>money = intelligence
>not sure why they say Einstein instead of Gates
I say end the government handouts
I have a B.Eng but have been working minimum wage for the past year since nobody will hire me, Any advice?
>>59436820
pick yourself up by your bootstraps :^)
>>59436853
???
>>59436557
$10.5*40*4 = ~$1680 a month
That's about the same as my autismbux
>>59436637
There are different forms of capitalism. The whole point of progress is so humans live better lifes.
>>59436944
After taxes I'm left with just less than $1400/month.
>>59435109
expecting a living wage from mcdonalds literally a teenagers first job to gain experience
>>59437129
>be grateful for the opportunity to slave away your youth to earn pennies
Good goy.
>>59434706
Why do young teens doing a sales job for experience need food stamps or welfare? Oh yeah! Because it's immigrants who are taking these jobs, demanding higher wages, and then going on social assistance!
>>59437129
Except all people should be earning a living wage which was what minimum wage was originally before corporations took over and rebranded minimum wage as a summer job for teens and shit.
>>59437256
>muh gibsmedats
>>59437256
The solution now these leeching faggots can work somewhere else for minimum wage
>>59437351
>Someone comes in constantly and shoots up the robots
>cost way more to consistently replace them then to pay people
kek
>>59435879
if your a nigger or a woman it's pretty easy, gubmint jobs pay really well and require little effort are handed out to the least deserving
>>59436303
>>59436495
>Gotta take out student loans and get a college degree to make more than $20/hr
>believing this meme
You fucking idiots. You don't need to go to college to make more than 20 bucks an hour. LEARN A FUCKING SKILL and IMPROVE YOUR WORTH TO SOCIETY BEYOND MANNING A CASH REGISTER!!! An apprentice electrician makes like $35/hr then moves up to $60+/hr once they reach journeyman. Plus they can do untaxed cash side jobs for money.
YOU ARE PAID WHAT YOU ARE WORTH. MAKE YOURSELF WORTH MORE MONEY BY LEARNING A SKILL IN DEMAND!!!
>>59434706
Dem low prices tho
>>59437129
Then why don't we put the priority for optional work for kids to the emphasis on living wages for all adults?
Any "job" should be seen as a means of reliable income to support living expenses, not an intro to the workplace so you can exploit youths with low wages
>>59437499
except those jobs are taken by illegals anon.
>>59437459
>someone comes in and constantly shoots up the human employees
>cost way more to consistently replace them and pay out the lawsuits than it does to replace machines
kek
>>59437330
Yes. The poor workers should be given more money. Dare I say they are even entitled to it.
Have fun supporting your masters that would quite literally work you to death if they could.
>>59437129
Obviously, any competitive niche has a tight profit margin because they would get underbid by their prices or overbid by their wages and fall out of business. The revenue that goes into the business dictates the value of the business derived from the inter subjective consensus of the customers. Therefore, the value of the labor is justified by the value the customers place on the labor as with the capital, management, etc. Therefore all wages are just by value and any price floor and ceiling on labor is a neokeynesian's wet dream.
>I should be paid more
The customers disagree
>It's not a livable wage
Self contradictory as someone could only say claim they don't have a livable wage if they aren't alive.
>I want free shit
I get that's your fundamental desire that constructed all these fallacious claims, but theft is immoral.
>>59437566
except you would be paying about the same amount per person then to consistently replace $100K+ robots.
>>59437129
>teenagers
>working
Average age for a person getting their first job has 23 in America.
>>59436820
Find an internship at the least or you can go join dude weed lmao's army
>>59434706
So should we make wages have to increase by age? And if not, then why do we have to give everyone working (teens, single people with no kids, ect) a wage that can support a single mother of 4 (Which is the argument I keep hearing minimum wage should support)
Increase minimum wage a little, sure. Make it $10/hr or something. But don't do 15. You will be paying for people who don't have jobs rather than people who don't have enough money
>>59437540
Nobody hires illegals to do their wiring. Even scumshit contractors know not to do that because if the house catches fire they're at fault if it was a wiring problem.
>>59436579
if you live in america and you are poor you are bad with money. not everyone needs a luxury coupe+smartphone+bigscreen tv+brand name clothes etc.
>>59434706
does walmart have the most employees on gov assistance per capita or just bc it is the biggest employeer in the private market?
>>59437788
How about a minimum age to work law to be 18 or older?
>>59437650
yes i agree millennials are lazy fucks
>>59437866
>everyone needs a luxury coupe+smartphone+bigscreen tv+brand name clothes etc.
Everyone does need a place to live, food to eat, some clothes, some basic medical assistance, and transportation, if only to get to and from work. Our current wages do not provide that for millions of people.
>>59437788
if you need to support a family of 4 you don't work at mcdonalds
$20 is kinda high but $15 is enough to afford a home and a lot of blue collar jobs pay that.
>>59438122
What if that's literally the only job hiring in your area?
>>59437996
there are also 92 million working aged adults not working or even looking for work. that's more than 25% of the entire population.
laziness isn't the problem here.
>>59437996
Except back in the real world, millenials are competing with much older adults who were forced out of their nice jobs into shit-tier positions that were once reserved for teenagers. It's actually becoming challenging to find shit-tier work because everyone is clamoring for a job, any job.
>>59438115
thats not the economies problem, thats the peoples themselves problem. the government NOR the people are meant to live for everyone else and to provide for them. people should be providing for themselves. they should be greatful that others have provided them with a job to get paid. why dont they go out and make theyre own money?
we offer more international aid then any other nation in the world, why dont we then cut back and spend it on our own people? if thats what you want
>>59438185
then move. why the fuck are you having four children without a secure living situation and job included!?
>>59434706
>Being this retarded
Here's what's happening here:
The country is fucked. The western world is fucked. Advancements in computers and our immigration policies have made low-wage jobs unsupportable.
In 1960, AT&T was the world's largest telecommunications company and had a regulated monopoly. It employed one million people and had annual revenue of $23 billion, adjusted for inflation.
In one quarter of 2014, Apple had revenue of over $70 billion and employed 100,000 people.
What these benefits are are subsidies on workers. They create jobs. The market can't and won't support all of these people working if they have to be paid in 2015 with a 1960 mindset. So the government steps in.
Unskilled workers getting food stamps and energy assistance is the best band-aid for the problem we have. Forcing all companies to pay a living wage shifts the costs off the government's ledger onto their employers, but not all employers are equal. Walmart can absorb having their unskilled labor costs double, because they deal in such huge scale, but small businesses can't. The progressive thing to do would be to continue providing assistance to all low-wage workers, paid for by taxes on the big businesses who make the lion's share of the profits, letting small businesses be competitive and avoid having the government interfere directly in between employers and employees. Just have the government come in after money has settled, collect from the big winners, and keep the system afloat.
Or, you know, you could follow Bernie Sanders and give big corporations a huge advantage while reducing the ability and inclination for anyone to hire anyone.
>>59434706
mfw four of the ten wealthiest people in the US are Waltons
>>59436944
>That's about the same as my autismbux
wagecucks btfo
>>59438524
they are the largest jobs provider in the country so makes sense
>>59437788
In utah you can still pay someone under 21 $5/hr for the first year. :D
>>59438484
>Me with children
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA oh god no. 0 children here. Just pointing out a hole in your logic.
Also another hole. Moving cost money anon which the person working at Mc Donalds doesn't have so how the fuck are they suppose to move with no money? didn't think of that did you dipshit?
>>59437978
So the families that can't afford HS students to have less money? I know some people who have to buy their own clothes as high school students. And complain they have no money. Then they are wearing $120 shoes, has the newest android or iphone, has verizon, has everything any rich kid would have. I don't think that you should increase labor age, but you should look deeper at the people who need foodstamps and such
Example:
I know someone who is a cop in a muslim populated area, and he says he pulls over people in their $60k+ car and asks to see their license and registration and such. 9/10 they have a foodstamps card (EBT/Bridge card).
How do they do this? I'll enlighten you because he found out.
They get married, but not legally, just religiously. In the books, both parties are single, and if they move in together, one is technically homeless. They have kids, go to the secretary of state, get $400+ a month in foodstamps, and eat for free to little money because the woman technically is homeless and has no money or job. Then the husband does a lot of work under the table (that, my cop friend found out by various tax evasion charges and cases and what not)
Lots of people abuse this system. We should find a way to get rid of the abuse
>>59435879
$20/hr is basically three times the minimum wage. To make $20/hr you're going to have to work commission based sales, work mid-tier "trades" like construction, machining, automotive tech, computer networking, etc.for a decent employer. Not everyone is willing to hire and pay that much, some trades pay considerably more but they're highly unionized and require lots of training.
Most entry level jobs are low paying or outsourced through staffing agencies which leech off of your pay. I worked for a staffing agency at a warehouse once making $11/hr when I learned that they were getting paid almost $20/hr for my services and since this company had a contract with them they couldn't/wouldn't hire anyone directly.
I've worked trades before, never made more than $18/hr even as a journeyman painter. The most I made as an auto tech was $15/hr flat rate. Ran cable and set up networks and I made on average around $17/hr but it was piece work and the company I was working for was charging more than triple that to its customers for my labor.
Corporate America really fucking blows. After working most of my adult life I have very little to show for it. I just want a home in the town I grew up in, but everyone who hires me seems to be too preoccupied with lining their pockets to run a business well or treat their employees right.
>>59437540
MY BAD BETTER JUST GIVE UP THEN
This is why you faggots work retail... where the jobs really are all taken by illegals.
>muh liveable wage
LIVE
WITHIN
YOUR
MEANS
>>59435557
Unless you're caught up in a poverty trap
>>59438675
Increase labor age to 21, minimum wage is $13.50/hr.
>>59438122
You don't need to tell me that. If you fucked up your life to where you are supporting a family of 4 and you can't afford it, you need to learn about condoms and get an education
>>59438524
>ten wealthiest people in the US
Not even in the top 10
http://www.forbes.com/forbes-400/#version:static
>>59437129
McDonalds is no longer just someone's first job. There is fuck all out there thanks to crony capitalism catalysing a race to the bottom.
>>59438720
when i delivered pizza i averaged 25/hr
yet they don't like hiring anyone under 25
honestly wouldn't mind going back.
>>59434706
You insufferable retard. You pay taxes for all that shit because of the GOVERNMENT taking those taxes from you and giving your hard earned money to niggers. How you could possibly blame Walmart and McDonalds for the GOVERNMENT taking your money, I have no fucking idea, shill.
>>59434706
No, dumb ass logic. These people would demand even more money if Walmart didn't give them jobs. Plus, Walmart lowers everyone's cost for food, and they pay corporate tax and capital gains tax.
how viable would it be to remove all welfares and let the poor kill each other off?
It's not just big corporations paying low wages. It is also the mom and pop or the guy venturing off on his own for the first time. These people legitimately cannot pay any more.
Dumb fucks who cannot fetch a better check are societies burden. Everyone should have to chip in to keep these fuckers from starving. It isn't right to put all of the responsibility on a small business owner.
>>59438837
This Anon gets it.
>>59438781
decrease minimum wage, decrease labor age, deport illegals and entice american citizens to find new homes in other countries.
>Taxpayers (you and me)
the median age of /pol/ users is 17. if you seriously have a job, pay taxes and are well into your 20s, then you shouldn't be here.
>>59434706
>payphone
what world is this?
>>59434706
>FACT: Taxpayers (Walmart and McDonalds) foot the bill for food stamps, energy assistance, and other social services that adult, fulltime employees of corporations such as Walmart and McDonalds can't afford, thanks to their super low wages.
>[Walmart and McDonalds] are literally paying money to support corporate profit.
ftfy
But seriously, OP, what do you recommend? Should Walmart pay its workers an extra $400 a month, so that they don't have to collect $350 in food stamps, not to mention energy assistance and the rest?
>>59434706
Its not our fault Wal-Mart employees dont unionize.
>>59436944
>>59438597
dignity and your own soul dont have a price. stop sucking your states teet and go make some money.
>>59438653
>too poor to afford 4 kids
then dont have kids, wtf, if you are a poor broke as maybe you shouldnt be pulling out of laronda and should of bought some fucking condoms. and if you are sooooo fucking boo hoo of a case that you cant afford condoms but you have free time to have sex? then you are a piece of shit and need to go to the military and get their ass kicked and then go and get a job.
>>59438781
how does that stop abuse?
>>59438675
youre right on, i believe there needs to be a time limit and stricter standards to recieve gov. assistance of any kind
>>59438875
>theyre terrorists bc they are poor!
literately obama tier b8
>>59438931
Increase minimum wage, increase labor age, deport illegals
>>59438977
They would get fired if they even attempted to.
>>59438936
>the median age of /pol/ users is 17
how do you even determine that?
> if you seriously have a job, pay taxes and are well into your 20s, then you shouldn't be here.
this isnt your personal wordpress-blogsite-#safespace faggot
>>59438977
They can't unionize, any store that is suspected of unionizing has it shut down for 6 months for some bullshit reason and new people are hired that won't unionize.
>>59437642
>100k to repair some broken boards, belts, and joints
No
>>59435879
It's tough if you are out of work. Companies tend not to want to hire unemployed people. And if you don't learn a skill designed for a $20+/hr job, you are SOL. A lot of burgers get humanities degrees and they aren't qualified to do jack shit.
>>59434706
Your mistake is implying that we should have food stamps, energy assistance, and other forms of welfare in the first place.
>>59439008
see
>>59438653
it was a hypothetical you retard.
>>59439112
exactly, that's why robots aren't the way to go.
>>59438727
No, listen to the people who are victims of the Dunning Kruger effect talk about which number sounds better: 15, 20, or 25 dollars.
>>59435879
I make around 30 an hour bartending
>>59439094
1. the numerous surveys we've had over the 2 months I've been a /pol/er
2. now it's clear. autism is why you're on /pol/ at your age
>>59439017
>increase minimum wage
Which means decrease the amount of businesses operating in the US, while also, though not related to businesses closing down, reduce the amount of jobs available.
>increase labor age
So you want people to stay in poverty with less class mobility?
>deport illegals
This is acceptable.
>>59437129
Just so happens that the purchase ( food and paper is a very high margin profit that are usually held by the same "corporation".
Basically their profit is 3% + the 31% purchase wich end up costing sweet jack because it's made in giant factory with illegals doing it all.
Shit that's retarded. I'm currently making 18.00 an hour straight out of college with 28k in debt. Not in he situation, but it could be worse.
Did I fuck up pol?
>>59439153
and im BTFO the hypothetical bc the premise begins after the person made stupid decisions, the government and the tax payers should not shield people from the repercussions of their own actions.
>1. the numerous surveys we've had over the 2 months I've been a /pol/er
so you participate in data mining threads? good jorb
>implying you arent equivalently "autistic" for being here
>>59434706
You're putting the cart before the horse here, senpai.
They're all working there so they can collect obama bucks because they earn more in handouts than actually working.
>>59439309
I'm making $7.25/hr almost 4 years after college, $23k in debt.
You're fine.
>>59439281
Don't forget
>Raise taxes on companies that have factories making their shit outside of the USA
>lower taxes on companies that bring jobs from overseas to the USA. (I don't mean work visa's I mean hire Americans)
>>59439426
what kind of degree?
this>>59439397
was meant for you>>59439279
>>59436289
Grocery store in my town cut half of the full time positions after bongo care happened, told people that had worked there for years, they were getting cut to 24 hours a week, Then hired twice as many part time ppl to replace them, just so they wouldnt have to pay the insurance
>>59439426
>>59439309
>Taking on this much debt
Why?
>>59434706
You commies rejected the flat tax. Reap what you sow, cunts.
>>59439508
>what kind of degree?
An extremely useless one. Hence why I'm working for minimum wage.
>>59438970
There is no clear solution. Either it's an employer-side fix, a government-side fix, or a mix of both. Currently it's a mix of both. I'm just saying that corporations are profiting off tax payers at this moment.
>>59439644
Your in Puerto Rico, and all Puerto Rican jobs don't pay great, even professional jobs.
Did you go to college in PR? Why haven't you left PR for the mainland if you want to make money so badly?
>>59439561
>Then hired twice as many part time ppl to replace them, just so they wouldnt have to pay the insurance
happened where I worked too but they werent fired, people quit bc they couldnt afford theyre life style on a part time job.
>>59439644
no offense, but I thought so. shake it off, many successful people fail multiple times before they land something inline with their goals
>>59439426
lol what's your degree in?
>>59439053
Thus causing a labor shortage and driving up wages.
>>59436244
<every waking hour is spent working
That's not even close to true. Perhaps a few, but most when not working are playing video games and smoking pot.
>>59438720
capitalism at it's finest
>>59437499
Hahaha if you're lucky and you can get into a union shop you can make good wages but I literally know a grand total of 3 electricians who make more than $35 an hour without being unionized and having 5+ years of experience. They usually pull between 30 and 50k a year in my state before overtime.
As a rule of thumb the apprentice makes a percentage of the journeyman wage starting around 40%. Average journeyman electrician makes around 44,500 in my state
<2000 hrs = 40% = $17,800
2000-4000 = 55% = $24,475
4000-6000 = 65% = $28.925
6000-8000 = 80% = $35,600
Union shops will generally pay slightly more hourly, but no fucking place I have ever even worked with hires a no experience green motherfucker for $35/hr, you are literally insane.
>>59437272
Except working at McDonald's is a summer job for teens and shit. You are a fucking retard with 0 ambition if you expect to make a career out of a Mcjob. Even worse are the niggers shitting out three kids working in those places, then acting like their victims because McDonald's is suddenly responsible for their poor life choices.
i hate being a cashier, but no one is fucking hiring
>>59435045
You cant work at Walmart without a SS. Illegals don't work at Walmart.
>>59439279
>the numerous surveys we've had over the 2 months I've been a /pol/er
>>59440225
>Summer jobs for teens
yeah because they're totally only open during the summer right!!!!!
It's not like I can go there now and see people working at a McDonalds!!!!!
There are completely no other people that works at a McDonads except teens during the summer and thus which is the only time they're open!!!!!!!
But wait what's this? I see several McDonalds open in my town and it's not summer and there's almost no teens there even during the summer, care to explain that?
>>59440308
Yes but you can come here illegally, have a baby and then be magically legal.
I hate this liberal argument so much. Illegals do work and receive tax payer benefits.
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>>59437272
>which was what minimum wage was originally before corporations took over and rebranded minimum wage as a summer job for teens and shit.
You can't seriously be this retarded.
>>59439811
I studied in the US, but one thing led to another and I ended up back here. I haven't left for the mainland out of concern for my family and the worsening economic situation here.
I'm not really desperate to make mad dosh. Just want to make a bit more so as to better provide for myself, and help my family should it be necessary.
>>59439821
None taken. For what its worth, I do like my current job. Eyeing the possibility of a promotion next year, also looking into going back to college. I'm not letting my previous fuckups drag me down.
>>59440690
And you failed history class. Care to do a little research on a man named FDR?
I'll do the work for you since you seem to be retarded.
"It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country. By "business" I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living. "
-FDR
Essentially, today's minimum wage is far from a living wage.
>>59439279
Cringed
>>59438841
I would say that tips could fall under the commission based sales umbrella. Waitstaff and bartenders can make bank, too, if you're in a place that requires your employer to pay you full wages.
The only problem I ever had with delivery is driving my personal vehicle for hours every day. I'd do it in a heartbeat if they had their own ride.
>>59440132
Pretty much. It's a blessing to find a stable job that you're able to support yourself with. I've been running the gambit ever since the family business fell apart. Hopefully I'll find something gainful soon so I can settle down.
>>59439779
Well, I more or less said my solution in a different post, but, once again:
We should tax corporations progressively, so that the huge behemoths pay a larger percentage than small businesses, and use the money to fund a direct addition to paychecks of low-wage employees. Rather than expecting all businesses to be able to afford $15 an hour hires, we keep the minimum wage low, or lower it even more, as far as employers are concerned, but augment it with government funds gotten by taxing businesses based on their revenues.
The Walmarts and McDonalds of the country pay much more in taxes, both in total amount and as a percentage; the taxes go to fund a wage increase for all workers, sort of like food stamps except directly added to your paycheck; and it doesn't do anything to reduce the incentive for an employer to hire someone. Depending on where you set the employer paid wage, it might even create an incentive.
Governments like the idea of raising the minimum wage because higher wages paid by employers means that fewer people qualify for food stamps, so they have more money to spend without raising taxes. But it's interfering directly in the market, which usually has unintended consequences. Instead, we should tax businesses progressively, and use the money to directly subsidize jobs through paychecks, reducing the immediate reliance on government that programs like SNAP encourage while keeping wages competitive enough from an employers perspective that they won't hesitate long before hiring a worker.
More money in low-income workers' pockets increases economic activity, so raising wages creates a boom, but it doesn't get spread evenly. Not every business gets enough of the pie to afford the costs of a universal increase. That's why the government should take the burden of funding the increase by taxing businesses according to how much they're benefiting, rather than an across the board hit on everyone's payroll costs.
>>59440881
Winning the spoils of WWII is what got our economy booming again, FDR and his fans just like to say it was all due to his new deal which isn't true
>>59441238
Yes WW II got our economy booming again, yet his message should still be followed today and businesses shouldn't be paying our current minimum wage because it's not a living wage.
I think teens should not be in the work force until their 18 (preferably 21) well after they graduated high school.
>>59440881
FDR was a cuck, public work programs had more corruption then super pac donations have now
If we repealed the 19th amendment and made women stay at home that would cut the work force in half and wages would increase.
>>59441362
The problem is that your adult at 18. If your parents kick you out or if you have to pay bills it's good to have money saved up from working at age 16 (which is what I did)
Almost everyone has the opportunity for a living wage. I worked at McDonald's for 4 1/2 years. Was offered manager for $10.28 an hour and even turned it down because I knew I was worh more. I now make $18 an hour somewhere else and plan to make more.
People need to understand the value of themslevs and how to apply the skills they learn at minimum wage jobs for better ones. McDonald's teaches customer service, prep cooking, management, even janitorial. There's no reason you can't get a better job with those skills.
>>59435879
$20 doesn't really exist. Either you're educated/in a skilled position and make 25+ or you are in an entry level/uneducated position and cap at 15.
The lowest of the low pays around 9. 7.25 is the minimum wage but it is rarely paid.
>>59435557
Would it be easier with trump's tax plan?
>>59440518
Then the baby becomes legal, not you.
>>59436192
Earned income credit started in 1975. It was expanded several times thereafter.
It exists to get people to work a little bit for a cash payment instead of not working at all. It helps fill odd hour jobs, seasonal stuff, and things like that.
As long as there is welfare then the EITC is a good thing. It fills in the "poverty gap" that occurs when you start to earn money and lose benefits.
>>59436192
Earned income credit started in 1975. It was expanded several times thereafter.
It exists to get people to work a little bit for a cash payment instead of not working at all. It helps fill odd hour jobs, seasonal stuff, and things like that.
As long as there is welfare then the EITC is a good thing. It fills in the "poverty gap" that occurs when you start to earn money and lose benefits.
It's a cash handout, but it's better than keeping these people alive out of the goodness of our misguided hearts (which is what we would do otherwise)
>>59436820
What kind of engineering? It makes a huge difference. If you have a EE degree and a GPA higher than 3.6 you can get a job. Might have to move, but the jobs are out there.
>>59441073
>We should tax corporations progressively, so that the huge behemoths pay a larger percentage than small businesses
agree with that
>and use the money to fund a direct addition to paychecks of low-wage employees
unnecessary. raise the min. wage.
>The Walmarts and McDonalds of the country pay much more in taxes, both in total amount and as a percentage; the taxes go to fund a wage increase for all workers, sort of like food stamps except directly added to your paycheck; and it doesn't do anything to reduce the incentive for an employer to hire someone
I'm not in favor of something so complicated. You could just raise the minimum wage.
The only way your idea is superior is if it lasts for many years. No annual raising of min. wage is necessary.
In the end, after thinking about your post, I guess a specifically progressive tax is a great idea. I would support it.
>>59440308
>You cant work at Walmart without a SS. Illegals don't work at Walmart.
Yeah, its almost like, you would need to use someone elses SS number and hope your State Issued drivers license was good enough. Its not like anyone is going to deport them if they get caught. Fuck, Obama just released THOUSANDS of illegals from jail who were incarcerated for everything from rape to murder. And none of them were deported, he just put them right back out onto the streets.
Years ago I had some illegals living 5-6 states away use my SS number to take out a mortgage. Funny thing was that since they were making every payment on time it was boosting my credit score, but zero fucks were given about such materialistic matters. Man is nothing if he abandons his principles. So I reported it as soon as I found out. Fucking thieves.
>>59434706
Look here faggot.
If you think increasing minimum wage is going to directly result in lower taxes on your income, especially under a Democratic leadership, you are wrong. Which is ironic, because only a Democratic leadership would consider raising the minimum wage and ironically they're the last people that would consider lowering your taxes.
Why would government, especially one that more left leaning, actually decide to lower its revenue stream?
Maybe people will get minimum wage hikes, maybe it will lower their dependence on welfare programs therefore welfare programs will not be as dependent on taxes... but the government is not suddenly gonna lower your taxes because dem programs dont need dem money no mo... they're still gonna tax you at the same rate and just spend your tax elsewhere.
>>59441873
The baby becomes legal but it would be inhumane to deport the parent.
You're never illegal, but your nigh undeportable (assuming you commit no felonies)
>>59434706
If we would just implement a true flat-tax system in this country we would have no more economic welfare.
What is a flat tax?
A family of four making $74,000 a year would owe tax amounting to 0.20 × (74,000 − 54,000) = $4,000, as would be the case under a flat tax system with deductions. Families of four earning less than $54,000 per year, however, would experience a "negative" amount of tax (that is, the family would receive money from the government instead of paying to the government). For example, if the family earned $34,000 a year, it would receive a check for $4,000. The NIT is intended to replace not just the USA's income tax, but also many benefits low income American households receive, such as food stamps and Medicaid. The NIT is designed to avoid the welfare trap—effective high marginal tax rates arising from the rules reducing benefits as market income rises. An objection to the NIT is that it is welfare without a work requirement. Those who would owe negative tax would be receiving a form of welfare without having to make an effort to obtain employment. Another objection is that the NIT subsidizes industries employing low cost labor, but this objection can also be made against current systems of benefits for the working poor.
>>59437866
>if you live in america and you are poor you are bad with money.
>implying lack of proper parental and educational guidance are no excuse for resulting in an ignorant adult.
>>59434706
Better idea. Full grown adults should be capable of holding jobs that pay more than minimum wage
Come answer my question
>>59441115
>>59437540
>illegals
>to do electrical work
No, just no. They hire illegals to nail boards together and dig holes. Everything else is white people.
>>59440308
>Illegals don't work at Walmart.
Supply and demand.
Those people that are working at wal-mart will now get more job options due to the fact that those companies hiring illegals will have to hire somebody.
Therefore to get people to work for them willingly they'd have to give them better pay or nicer work.
>>59441941
>>59441973
Nice samefag.
>>59441795
The adults that work these jobs are just retards though. They never push to better themselves. It's really not that hard these people are literally just that stupid and deserve what they get.
>>59441988
Progressive taxation on corporations is dumb as hell. Large companies run small margins and high volume They're stable investments that are good for retirement accounts.
Tax all that away and people have to pursue riskier ventures. You realistically need to gamble to retire at that point.
>>59442055
Holding the job isn't actually a problem most the time.
There are jobs that pay well and are fairly easy to maintain with decent competence and matching decent work ethic.
Even people that have what it takes to get jobs like that can't get INTO the position to begin with.
>>59442204
your solution is?
>>59441995
identity theft that helped your credit
are you the luckiest man alive?
>>59442204
Walmart pays over $7 billion in taxes a year as is. They're taxed at over 30%. What are you talking about?
The local walmart here starts at 17 an hour. No experience required. I live in n. dakota.
>>59442496
That's simply due to the energy industry.
Rent is also much inflated.
If you factor out the two, the 17 an hour is shit.
>>59442225
no. everything is exactly the same as it was in the 70s. there's literally nothing wrong with anything except you. now go hit the bricks and work your way up the ladder. i just walked into the store, shook his hand and my first boss hired me. i worked there 4 months and made enough for college room and board for 2 semesters. lazy ass kids
I could support my current lifestyle on $9/hr assuming 50 hours a week. I know this because I use to make that much and for that many hours/week at a gas station. If I hadn't moved up to my current job, I'd be living at home socking the $1k in rent a month into savings. I'd eventually move up to a manager position at same gas station (starts out at $30k/year). From there I could move up to $50k/year plus generous bonuses within a couple of years. I knew people my age (23) who were making $40k/year as gas station management and had zero schooling beyond high school. It really wasn't that hard to get the job either, you just had to be semi-competent. All the people making almost minimum at wal-mart in their mid-20s are literally just the dregs of society that no one else wanted to hire.. The ironic thing about this push for wal-mart to pay more is that the only reason wal-mart employees have jobs is because wal-mart is wiling to pay so little. If they bumbed the pay up to $10/hr they could afford to start hiring decent employees. All the Sha'trayqons would be out on the street within a month.
>>59442593
>same as it was in the 70s
>literally nothing wrong
...
>i just walked into the store, shook his hand and my first boss hired me
no words exchanged, no schedule, noice!
>>59442402
Wait, the big bad evil Walmart corporation is not even bothering to find tax loopholes?
>>59442593
Except they now ask you to apply online anon! No need to walk into the store.
I think you should get off the Internet grandpa.
>>59441639
Amen
>>59442789
They are. They just still pay over $7 billion.
>>59442565
Mostly true. The price of oil has gone down and production has caused massive layoffs. 2bed 2bath apartment right now is 900 a month, utl included.
>>59442908
That's much cheaper than it used to be. I checked a year or so ago. Much cheaper.
>>59442163
just shows the shills are out in force and fucking up as allways.
fucking degenerate leftist scums that they are. WE SEE YOU FAGGOTS.
>>59440225
>teens
>working at fast food
Nigga, I never see teens working fast food anymore. Most places don't want to hire anyone under 25.
>>59439008
Accidents happen mane, people can get abortions now though so it's pretty inexcusable but in the future that probably won't be the case.
>>59434706
Thank you for drawing attention to this. It's the elephant in the room that usually is ignored in favor of "lol poorfags" by the usual goyim.
>>59442593
People knock the whole "firm handshake" thing but it really does help. Figure out who the guy in charge of hiring is, and find out his contact info. Worst case he ignores you. Best case he likes your initiative and decides to interview/hire you. My current job I got that way. Got a contact through school. Literally just emailed asking for a job. Turns out they needed someone for a couple of side projects and had the go ahead to hire a senior engineer, but HR wasn't turning up any good candidates. My "interview" was literally just me meeting everyone and shaking their hands. Started working at $32/hr the next month. Awesome benefits too.
>>59442908
>tfw I pay more than that for a studio
Pro tip. Anyone complaining about min wage at Walmart, while having a hundred dollar plus phone bill reach month, and hundred plus for satellite, plus internet, plus gas can fuck right off. Those aren't needs, those are luxuries. You can ride a bike to work, or take a bus, or subway, or carpool. I can sort of excuse gas in certain areas, but the others I cannot.
If you insist on having all that, then get another job in addition to the Walmart one. Of course the concept of 1 plus 1 is lost on these bumbling idiots.
How do I know? I live on min wage with no benefits or handouts. I pay for 20 dollar internet, and that's my only luxury. I get by just fine.
>>59443033
Things change. Ive been here for 2 years and shit has changed
>>59438341
My last employer had a hard time finding enough decent 16-20 year-olds to fill up all the positions that were opening up. Those people in their mid 20s making minimum wage were the people who didn't start working until 23.
>>59441988
>raise the minimum wage
This is economically bad.
>>59443439
Oh yeah, the old "you have other stuff than tap water and gruel", must be doing ok" argument.
Get bent.
>neet reporting in
don't forget to pay your taxes, guys
>>59443537
Discuss it. Why is it bad, and how?
>>59435045
12 mil wouldn't even make a dent in surplus labor. do u even economics?
>>59443537
>more people have more money
>bills get paid and the ability to purchase goods becomes available to more people
>this is bad when things are bought
I'm sorry but I can't follow retarded logic like yours.
>>59434706
>How does that strike you?
I make $100/hr and $200k/year without a college degree.
I don't care if a small percentage goes to the common rabble.
>>59444016
spic detected
build wall
>>59443651
>increase labor costs for businesses
>lower profits
>investors want bigger returns, so they pull out to not only lose money, but to gain the returns they seek
>businesses start laying people off, reducing hours of operation, increasing prices, whatever they can to stay afloat
>investors don't want to invest in starts up anymore since they moved to another country
>taxes from investor activity drops, business taxes start dwindling, cities start having trouble operating
>police departments start laying people off/stop responding to lower crimes
>fire departments are completely shut down
>schools classrooms start becoming overcrowded due to less teachers working due to the school not being able to pay all the teachers a higher wage and still stand in the black
I mean it's such a big picture that I can't show it all to you.
>>59443325
If this true how much do you take home every two weeks? how much is rent + utilities? do you have a car? where did you get it how much did it cost?
Sorry if it's too many questions just would like to hear this one out.
>>59444045
>100% of businesses that hire low wage workers see their payroll costs increase, often dramatically
>Low wage employees get raises, 80% of which goes to only 20% of businesses
There
>>59438720
>I worked for a staffing agency at a warehouse once making $11/hr when I learned that they were getting paid almost $20/hr for my services
I know that feel, bro. I am a contractor in the healthcare industry, get paid $26 an hour for my services that the company bills $156 for, and they have very little overhead.
inb4: you don't have to work there, blah blah blah. Its standard practice in the industry I'm in, so changing workplaces wouldn't change anything.
>>59444157
thx m8
>>59442565
>Rent is also much inflated.
That's a separate issue.
My grandfather bought a family home as a young man on a civil servants salary in the 1950s, paying it off in only a few years. When his wife died, he sold it for enough money to buy a condo outright in Washington DC as well as distribute money to his children and grandchildren.
My parents stretched their finances to the absolute limit to buy a $200,000 house when I was a small child. When they divorced 14 years later, it sold for almost $500,000.
Housing prices have been going up consistently, and it's not a coincidence. My grandfather never took any risks, he just lived and did the easy thing, yet he ended up really well off because of the housing increase. That's a failure of development. There isn't enough supply to keep prices low, and it's very difficult to lower the cost of housing without popping the bubble, because so much wealth is tied up in real estate. When you suggest building more housing in already developed areas, people living there see it as what it is: a direct attack on their wealth. It's like if you had $100,000 in the bank, and the government started talking about how they needed to lower the value of a dollar. You'd flip your shit, and that's what people do any time it's discussed.
>>59444809
So, what exactly is your argument here?
>>59434706
Thanks for the NEET bucks you wage slave c-ucks. I've got a long night of playing video games and sleeping in to do while getting autism $$$ for sitting at home.
>>59445055
that troll attempt doesnt really work against anyone who has spent time unemployed.
you have no life, no sex, can barely afford food, and lower your head when you pass anyone on the street.
Why are /pol/ such good goys at defending the wealthy?
>>59445331
its the american way to worship our superiors!!!
>>59444016
There is not a linear relationship between employees and wages.
10 jobs + 11 jobseekers = low wages.
10 jobs + 9 jobseekers = high wages.
>>59435085
What would you have done as an alternative?
>>59444929
I don't really know, there doesn't seem to be a solution. I was really just talking about the problem. We had a big kerfuffle where I live a little while ago because someone wanted to build apartments and the community rose up to block it, so it was on my mind.
I don't really like the government, but I think this is something that only the government can fix. Sort of like a 21st century housing project.
When the Projects were first around, it was the worst kind of people who ended up in them, because they were the ones who couldn't afford real housing. The system as it is now is that certain people can get housing assistance, a kind of voucher program that lets them get housing on the private market. That's loose, though.
I'd rather see the government build housing designed for young professionals and wage workers that isn't designed to turn a profit, just to be sustainable. The cost of building it would be an investment, but without profit as a motivator rents could be lower, and there's no incentive to game the market and drive up rents.
With an investment, we could have reasonably priced housing available in desirable areas, have a built-in audience for public transportation, and people who can't see how they can leave their parents' houses could rent a small apartment for $300 a month and get to where they need to be.
The free market won't build it, because it's not an easy way to profit, but it would at least be sustainable, and it would do a world of good for a lot of people.
>>59441983
EE but GPA is nowhere near that
>>59436288
>raise retirement
Fuck you
>Get ~$800 every two weeks
>Rent is $400 a month because I am not some faggot who needs to rent an entire house, just a room
>Credit card is 250-300 for gas and food
>Have nearly 1,000 leftover every month
Its not hard. Gas will go down too when I get a more fuel efficient vehicle. Are the only people complaining about MUH LOW WAGES trying to support a family on wages, or expecting to live alone in their own place?
>>59434706
Raising minimum wage is a bandaid fix like all wage and price controls.
Putting more folks into unemployment make social services costs go up too.
There are two answers:
1. Educate people that they can't remain adult-children in jobs meant for 16yo kids their whole life. Not if they want adult wages.
2. Close borders and deport illegals. They are not the only problem, but part of the problem driving down wages at the lower end of the job market.
>>59446026
>give people more useless college degrees
>that will create more jobs
>>59445844
you:
- can't support a family
- cant take a vacation
- cant miss a day of work
honestly, you're bragging about not being homeless. well done.
>>59444016
87 million working class. 12 million illegals working. tell me that isn't a dent into the availability of jobs.
>>59443127
Weird. Seem em all over fast food type joints
Little Caesar's seems to not hire anyone ABOVE 25. All student working there
>>59445844
>get $800 every two week
You're not on minimal wage.
>>59445642
Internship, nigga. Nepotism is a good place to start. Otherwise, go to internship events at your college to meet companies in person. You can also just apply for internships online, but nepotism/events are much more likely to get you in.
>>59446089
>- can't support a family
No shit I mentioned that myself
>- cant take a vacation
3 weeks of paid vacation per year
>- cant miss a day of work
I can though, im not living paycheck to paycheck. I have plenty leftover every month
>>59446191
Neither me or the OP mentioned minimum wage
>>59436727
But more degrees will help says sanders.
>>59437540
>hiring an illegal immigrant to wire a house with the plethora of safety regulations that you are 100% at fault for if one of your contractors fucks up
WHAT COULD GO WRONG, god just kill yourself
>>59445637
>priced housing available in desirable areas
I doubt the problem is profits, it's the scarcity of land nearest to the most jobs. Manhattan is the extreme example, but most cities are like this, the farther away you go from the most jobs, the cheaper the land. Check eBay for $5000 houses and there are plenty, but you will commute 100 miles a day to a job.
>>59446222
Nepotism is working against me man. Nobody in my family is of any influence in a business. I have a fantasy where I get into a relationship with a girl who has a father that could get me a job, but I doubt it will play out. Thanks for the advice though.
>>59438115
Everyone does need a place to live
>Rent with roommates.
food to eat
>Buy real food from a supermarket, not shit meals and fast food.
some clothes
>Clothes are cheap as fuck if you aren't buying overpriced shit form the mall.
some basic medical assistance
>Why? Are you not healthy?
transportation
> What are those dangly things that come out of your hips? Public transit as well.
You just want to blow money on luxuries that you cannot afford.
>>59438720
You worked as a journeyman painter?
For $18/hr? To roll paint on walls.
You think that job requires a skill of some sort there chief?
>>59442163
I thought the post didn't go through, added a line.
Apparently this is a sin.
Remove social benefits for full time employees
Employees quit and Walmart is forced to pay a living wage to get employees back
>>59446700
i manage a pizza hut. i don't hire people that wear thrift shop clothes
>>59445637
>>59446499
The Govt can't magically create more land in Manhattan or any other city center, they would have to buy it for $9999999999 an acre.
If you want a $300 apt there, it would need to be massively subsidized by taxpayers.
You could just as well not work and move into a homeless shelter and food stamps.
>>59442277
The solution is to not tax progressively and instead tax flat. It's to do what we've already been doing.
>>59446700
some basic medical assistance
>Why? Are you not healthy?
cmon. now you just lost all credibility. all people need medical care.
>>59446700
First of all, I'm doing just fine. This has nothing to do with my own well being. It may be hard for you to understand, but I have this thing called empathy.
Rent with roommates is still often very expensive.
I know that food is cheap, its just one of the basic expenses.
Believe it or not, medical problems happen even to generally healthy people. Plenty of people are also born with medical conditions.
Public transport is awful in most places. You can't walk on highways.
>>59446879
Brand new Haynes t-shirts and shit are cheap.
Manager at pizza hut. Are you in your low 20's?
>>59437129
wal-mart, k mart, publix, toys r us, hollister, jc penny, macys, jimmy johns, tutti frutti, pizza hut, kfc, dominos, pac sun, target, etc etc etc etc etc all pay minimum wage to most workers.
The issue isn't that someone lacks experience in the workforce so they should be paid little. The issue is that people need money to survive, even if they are inexperienced or "low skill" workers. Everyone still needs to pay bills and buy food. YOUR tax dollars go to subsidizing workers earning low incomes. So in turn by supporting and defending low wages, you are also defending and supporting your tax dollars going to welfare.
>>59446927
Eat real food, brush your teeth, exercise.
What the hell is wrong with you guys that need a ton of doctor visits yearly?
>>59434706
So you agree to end food stamps, energy assist, etc if we raise the min. wage
Fuck minimum wage shit. They should start taking about increasing pay for middle class incomes. Stagnant wages between the $40k-$60k group.
>>59446888
I live in WA state, so my ideas are more local than that. It would work in the Seattle area. Generally speaking, though, I think Manhattan is an exception among exceptions.
>>59447111
>just dont get sick, you queers
>>59436495
>currently making $22/hr in the midwest after about three years of pursuing my field, no degree, completely self taught. Currently in talks with another agency to possibly sign on for 75k a year.
>>59446665
Another way to put it is connections or networking. That's the way to start thinking about good jobs, not want ads. Each of mine came from a friend or family member, but not directly related to that business. You ask around, show up in person instead of filling out an app, or meet somebody at a bar and ask if their place is looking. That's what gets it done these days.
>>59447032
i'm 30.
please use your powers of hindsight to tell me where i went wrong
>I had 8 kids with 9 different dads while living on miminum wage
>It's Walmart's fault.
>>59447310
Somewhere during or after high school.
I don't know your life or what bad decisions lead you here, but here you are.
>>59444166
I take home about $1800 every two weeks after taxes, 401k etc. Rent is $950, utilities I honestly don't know since I put it on the credit card with everything else and pay it all at once. I end up spending about $1500 a month on all monthly expenses (rent, food, utilities, gas, etc.). Bigger items get thrown in from time to time (auto maintenance, etc.). Car I got for $2k from my grandfather. Its a bit old but it should run fine for a while. Car financing is super easy to get anyways, I don't know why people act like getting a car is a big deal.
>>59447408
led. its an actual word.
l e d
>>59447408
you could at least TRY to stick to your know-it-all guns. vague cynicism impresses no one
>>59447467
Oh noes I accidentally a word.
>>59447188
Well, Twin Cities, MN is the closest metro to me, kinda Seattle like. The farther you get from the center, the cheaper the real estate. But you spend that much more on wearing out cars commuting, then just your wasted time each day, even on public transit.
Get a union job you fuckin plebs.
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>>59447473
Ok let's try.
Tell me if I get them right.
Partied a bunch in/after high school.
Pot? Alcohol?
Had some notion that you weren't gonna slave your life away for the man in your young adult years?
Bought shit on credit that you couldn't afford?
Was it a child you had no preparation/plan for?
What happened Anon? You know where you fucked up, just tell us.
>>59447645
none of the above. just a crushing sense of apathy about everything.
you did good though
>>59447555
If your car wears out frequently, you're driving like a faggot.
>>59440308
#LibsActuallyBelieveThis
>>59440385
Yeah, you fucking moron. It's called laziness. That and democrats with their shitty policies.
>>59446082
>>give people more useless college degrees
No, totally wrong. I know of lots of $20-30hr jobs that can't be filled because ppl are can't be bothered to get minimum skills like welding or plumbing or diesel repair. Then they fucking whine that McDs won't pay them enough. Like that's supposed to be your whole-life job.
>>59448091
Skilled Labor jobs pay great, and American youth doesn't want to work that hard.
Work as a barista at Starbucks and whine about life, it's the millennial way.
>>59446828
>implying you smearing your nigger shit all over the walls is a fair comparison to someone who professionally paints and gets paid 18 an hour to do so.
Wew there lad
>>59448232
I sub them often, it's not difficult to tape shit off and paint.
>>59434706
Sounds to me like we need to cut back on food stamps, energy assistance, and other social services.
Kill like 4 birds with one stone.
>>59437459
Even if the store had to hire a security guard, one guy would still be cheaper than paying for 3+ min. wage employees.
Although were robo dream to come true there would probably be 1-2 employees around to make sure they kept running.
>>59437642
Humoniad robots that walk isn't even practical. Makes more sense to simply have convey belts, claws, and a human shaped machine to take the orders. Or at worst just keep an employee to tap the orders in for the social experience.
Start your own business and pay them more than the market rate. It's a free country, supposedly. What's preventing you?
I hate people that are generous with other peoples' wallets.
>>59448372
Tablet built into counter.
Touchscreen ordering, two guys in back making the "food".
No need for robots or retards working the counter.
>>59435879
>do you have to be a total fuck up to make minimum wage in Wal-Mart
Considering Wal-Mart pays more than minimum wage, you would have to be a massive fuck up.
>>59448344
No, idiot, because then there would be thievery and riots.
>>59447961
Spoken like someone with no clue how much salt these MN faggots put on the roads. Every winter mile equals bigger rust holes.
>>59437129
Except that practically all places to work in only pay 1 to 2 dollars more than McDonald's so what's the difference?
>>59446089
>wanting to support a family by working at mcdonalds
'murica
>>59440220
>Unions
Thats leftist devil talk around these parts anon. You should join your right friends and have it destroyed.
>>59448177
The secret they don't know: I do that kind of skilled labor and it's actually cake compared to fast food and pays 4x easily. I have 1 hard hour out of maybe 10.
>>59437788
How does that work? Then employers will favor teenagers who they can pay less, then scrap then when they get too expensive. The only way down that road is to go full govt control and set quotas, and that's getting extreme
>mfw people average poltard makes less than me (5000$ per month)
and I thought roachistan was shit, god fucking damn its the same everywhere. Feels good to be a white collar professional.
>>59434706
Anyone work security for Wal-Mart, or security anywhere? I have been contemplating getting a job in security, but I don't know.
A lot of people say it's boring.
>>59449217
i did it once
its pretty fun in puerto rico, a lot of fights break out and sometimes people bring knives
you get to taze them and shit
>>59449217
Security job during college was 1 of the 2 actual minimum wage jobs I worked. The market is so low class because how much of a retard do you have to be to not make it as a cop?
Cops are some dumb motherfuckers, but there is always a lower level.
>>59448720
Thievery and riots being met with, and eliminated by, lethal force from firearms.
>>59448548
You still need a person out front to interact with customers.
Grandpa will get confused and angry with the touch pad system and demand to give orders to a real person.
>>59434706
Raise minimum wage = inflation
The Fed wouldn't allow minimum wage to be raised. All of the money that's been soaked into our economy has been withheld from the general monetary pool. Raising minimum wage would lead to those funds being released.
A better proposal would be:
>Lower the price of doing business in certain areas.
>Lower the cost of rent by persuading/forcing development of middle & low income housing.
The fact that almost all new housing development is luxury, is fucking retarded.
>Free-up all section 8 housing
Everyone benefits from cheaper living expenses
>A modest increase in minimum wage is acceptable for areas that are still ungodly expensive due to taxes
>Absurdly tax, deport, and fine companies and illegal aliens or businesses that are not supporting an American workforce.
>Require education/work requirement to collecting any and every benefit offered.
Exclusions only for extreme disability and pregnancy (if you get pregnant too often, you're kicked off -- no beaners & niggers being generational welfare recipients)
>Remove all illegal aliens from all welfare benefit programs
>Remove all drug users/alcoholics from benefit programs
>Make it illegal to have a multilingual job requirement when the job does not, by nature, face clients that speak a foreign language.
No more, "all of the cooks & bus boys are beaners, so we can only hire more beaners"
With the money saved on not taking care of people that will never work/should've never been here:
>Subsidize items considered required for a "decent standard of living" for those that meet exemplary work ethic AND educational ethic (in a field with lucrative employment)
These people will eventually pull themselves out of poverty, we should reward their hard work.
>Reinvest in the mental health safety net to help with broken homes and the emotionally disturbed.
An obvious problem that needs to be addressed. We have a mental health problem disguised a firearms/poverty/homelessness issue.
>>59449823
Grampas are all gonna be dead some year, you know, and be replaced with people who grew up on touchscreens.
>>59435879
I work a labor job repairing ship and make $18.45. You have to bust your ass but they are out there.
Because the state serves the interests of the capitalist class.
that is all the democrat party is for. that is all welfare, handouts, subsidies, liberalism is. It is all for the service of the owners of wal-mart.
>>59450006
gramps is going to be kept alive on a slow drip of drugs, the right wing's desire for their votes, and their grandchilden's futures given to them intravenously
>>59450012
I agree. The city I grew up in is full of good paying union jobs. My cousin and two uncle's are union steelworkers in a factory and make around 30/hr. I work in a city about 2 hours away and have a good paying union job. None of us ever went to college, just willing to get out there and bust some ass.
Sick of the civilized wage-slave grind myself.
How easy or not-easy is it to start a farm, grow some shit, and sell it? Is tenant farming still a thing?
I'd like to go innawoods, tend some shit, lose myself in the work, and enjoy the fruits of my labor far away from bums and vapid cunts.
>>59445752
Fuck off. SS isn't going to be there anyway. If you aren't dropping into your 401k already you're a dumbass.
>>59450289
you need a license. and land
>>59434706
Full timers can afford all that, retard.
It wouldn't be an issue if poorfags weren't retarded and had kids when they couldn't afford them
>>59434706
Walmart has a 3 percent profit margin. Every penny of increased wages would be reflected in prices. It doesn't just come out of the CEO's pocket. Read a fucking econ book, you retard.
Actually, no. We're subsidizng the existence of degenerates.
>>59450370
My family farms and I don't know what license you are referring to but the land is the hardest part. It goes for around 10k per acre and farmland is hard to come by. Families fight over every bit that they can get their hands on. Its pretty ruthless.
Join a union.
Corporate welfare is like 80-200 times more expensive per capita than all the other forms of it, put together
>>59446828
It's really easy to tell you've never painted a wall before or done mudding / taping.
>>59444310
>and they have very little overhead.
Pffft
>>59446700
Found the 13 year old guys.
Since two other anons have dismantled your first 4 points, I'll focus on 5. You may have actually needed to leave your basement to notice, but the whole of the United States is built around the car. In any non-urban area there are virtually no sidewalks and pedestrian travel is difficult. By car I live 8-10 minutes from the business district of my town. In summer with low traffic in daylight and fair weather, it is a 40 minute walk. The traffic is awful and walking along the road is dangerous at best. Doing otherwise would involve crossing private property and neighborhoods which is trespassing iirc. In the winter the land off road becomes impassible due to creeks, gulleys, ice and snow drifts. Do you really think it is reasonable to use "those dangly things". Also my town has no public transit along with many other towns in the midwest and north.
>>59450527
Could I keep a cow or two in my apartment and hustle milk on the side? Or grow oats or corn somewhere in somebody's backyard and hustle that?
Serious questions.
>>59450012
>mfw I'm about to make $16/hr being a supervisor at Krispy Kreme
It's nice having zero obligations
>>59434706
>works for low wages, pays income taxes, collects SOME government assistance
>close walmarts, former workers completely reliant on government, contributes NOTHING to income taxes
Which is better for society?
Also, most of these workers are forced to be part time thanks to regulations like Obamacare and a big part of them needing to collect food stamps and such is because they can only find one shitty part time job. Thanks to the fucking liberals whom have banned jobs in this country by over-regulating and shipped jobs to asia and other countries.
Same idiots like OP wants to force even HIGHER wages and ship EVEN MORE jobs away. In 5 years there will be no cashiers at walmart (self checkout), albertsons (self checkout), mcdonalds (automated ordering + flash frozen premade bugers from china), home depot (self checkout).
Hey let's play liberals at their own game. But look at how low the unemployment rate is according to government figures: unemployment is at 8%? Wow Obama is doing so great. Why are you complaining about low wage jobs?
>>59450681
Woop woo doo doo doo doo
>>59450370
And a million other things.
My dad is trying to open up a small flea market. Throughout the entire year, he's been dealing with all sorts of government nonsense to get approved to open up, and that's not a business that requires much. Its just a small house with stuff in it for sale.
Making it less of a pain to open up a small business might actually get people to open them and challenge the massive corporations.
>>59450668
Usually cities have ordinances against livestock. You could start small if you are out in the country. You could find some small niche market or start by selling at farmers markets.
>>59443127
True, only because they are manned by fucking mexicans.
>>59450670
Fresh Krispy kremes are the fuckin bomb... Ones from most stores are shit. I get all mine from a local donut shop, nothing like a fresh donut.
Why a minimum wage?
Why not a maximum wage?
>>59449823
>can figure out a touch screen
>gets angry
Good let that retarded faggot starve.
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