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GET THE FUCK IN HERE
>top neurosurgeon in world has near death experience, goes into coma, his brainscans and everything show that his brain literally is incapable of biologically producing hallucinations or visions or dreams, anything of that nature
>he still experiences leaving his body, feeling at peace, and freely journeying around the cosmos, time and space, communicating telepathically with other "spirits", and interacting with his dead sister
>He and his colleagues, who are top neuroscientists and neurosurgeons in the world, develop 9 hypotheses to scientifically explain his experience, as his brain was biologically unable to have dreams/hallucinations. Harvard, Stanford, UVA, Duke, Johns Hopkins are all unable to explain this, and the top minds in the world accept his story.
>Sam Harris, famous fedora tipping author, tries to argue his story with his smug atheist attitude and is immediately BTFO by the leading neuroscientists on the planet
Video of Dr. Alexander
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbkgj5J91hE
Article of his critics getting raped up the ass:
http://iands.org/news/news/research-news/888-eben-alexander-answers-skeptics-criticisms.html
Bumping because you faggot atheists can't handle this shit. How does it feel to be assraped by your senpai AKA science?
No fucking arguments you faggots can make. That's what I thought. Eat 10,000 dicks in hell you fucking atheists. Your bullshit won't fly any longer. Enjoy your journey to rock bottom
>>59432075
calm down
yes buy his book you moron, no way hes just making shit up
Why are you so angry bro?
how did he remember the experience if his brain wasn't active
He stopped being dead, had his NDE because his brain was working, then regained consciousness with his experience recorded in memory. What else is there to discuss? You don't even know what an edema is so I don't expect you to reply with any extra knowledge as if you read a single word.
>>59432162
I'LL FUCKING CALM DOWN WHEN YOU KEK ATHEISTS HAVE A DECENT FUCKING REBUTTAL. I'LL BUMP THIS SHIT TO THE FUCKING LIMIT AND THEN REPOST ON A DIFFERENT IP, FUCKING TRY ME NIGGER. WHERE ARE YOUR FACTS? WHERE IS YOUR REBUTTAL? THE TOP FUCKING NEUROSCIENTISTS AND NEUROSURGEONS ON THE PLANET, LIGHTYEARS AHEAD OF YOU BASEMENT DWELLING KEKS, AGREE THAT DR. EBEN ALEXANDER, HARVARD MD NEUROSURGEON, HAD A SUPERNATURAL EXPERIENCE THAT DISPLAYED CONSCIOUSNESS OCCURRING OUTSIDE THE REALM OF BIOLOGY. YOU FUCKING FAGGOT. STEP UP NIGGER.
>>59432437
Autistic christfag detected.
>>59432391
God
QED
>>59432418
Valid point. However, Sam Harris brought up this exact point, and got his dickhole fisted by Dr. Eben Alexander AKA The Fuhrer. Here is a link to Eben Alexander's response to Sam Harris's criticism (the same one you had):
http://iands.org/news/news/research-news/888-eben-alexander-answers-skeptics-criticisms.html
How does your urethra feel? Does it feel like a nigger's fist just stretched it out and punched you in the groin through your dickhole? Because that's what you should feel, and what you deserve to feel 1,000 times over, you fucking cunt.
>Heaven is real
>Buy my book plz
Actually if you read the link OP posted the guy's experiences were clearly explained but of course Epin Alexander disissed them, as that interferes with sales.
> nine neuroscientific hypotheses that might explain his experience, including the hypothesis that some isolated cortical networks may have been functioning. That explanation would not explain the robust, richly interactive nature of his recollections.
So, essentially: "Here's a few ways it could be possible" "NUH UH. Bro, my experience was like, too real to be just that, man!"
Also, one brain surgeon's totally not made up story about tripping on his own brain's chemicals doesn't prove a god.
Also tons of hindus and other religious people have from the beginning of time had these sorts of experiences. Does that mean Zeus, Ganesh, Quetzalcoatl etc are all real, too?
>>59432833
>Epin
>>59432660
If he did bring up that exact point, it wasn't mentioned in that article which I already read because it was in the OP. Did you forget? Again, you won't read and think so there is nothing to discuss, and you will continue to parrot nonsense from a spinny pseudoscience blog without understanding it's content.
Ben carson is an excellent example of why you don't trust someone's religious inclinations based on prestige.
>>59431666
Assuming this isn't a lie for book sales, how do we know the memory of his experience wasn't simply formed at some point later seeing as by his own admission, his brain was fried?
>>59433133
because God, duh
jeez what dont u dumb atheists get about this
I'll never understand this
In order for him to recall those hallucinations (which they are, don't kid yourself), the brain must still be functioning. Memories are recalled by the firing of neurons in the hippocampus in the same sequence as during the experience, thus his brain WAS indeed still alive. Otherwise, he wouldn't be able to remember anything happening at all.
>>59432833
You actually make valid points and I will engage in non trolling conversation with you.
I am agnostic. I think christianity and major religions are literally retarded. To legitimately believe them is literally retarded.
Do I believe this proves "god"? No. Do I believe this validates any religion? No. Do I believe this is a huge step toward the study of consciousness's connectedness to the rest of the physical universe? Absolutely.
>>59431666
Those satanic trips. Satan's followers btfo. Christians:1 gaytheists:0 GG
It may prove an afterlife but not any specific religion
>>59433242
>huge step toward the study of consciousness's connectedness to the rest of the physical universe
it's not even a step towards proving that such a connectedness even exists
>>59433238
I don't know who the fuck you are. But something tells me you are not one of the Harvard, Stanford, Duke, Johns Hopkins or UVA neuroscientists, who are the best in the world in the subject you're talking about. All of whom claim it was impossible for him to be able to recall memory or have hallucinations.
>>59431666
i don't argue with clinically retarded people who believe in fairy tails
someone post the vid of the monk who pretended to live off photosynthesis and didn't eat real food
>>59431666
I had a dream I was fighting a giant two legged monster in a river, does that make giant river monsters real?
>be athiest neurosurgeon
>become God of the universe
There is no God until I die
>>59433412
>fedoratipneckbeard.jpg
Stay assblasted gaytheists
So he wakes up
and then thinks of all this shit that happened
>wakes up
>thinks
>wakes up and then thinks
Jesus is lord
>>59432437
He made up the story and you all went along with it. There is no proof he didn't make that shit up.
>>59432833
Fedora tippers BTFO
t. Ebin Alexander
>>59433474
Yeah, that's what happens when you meet niggers in rivers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%A9j%C3%A0_vu#Explanations
>>59433500
>(ID: 6EeatYOy
>eat
>Yoy
Oy Veyyyyyyyyyy
t. hanks
>>59433242
>a huge step toward the study of consciousness's connectedness to the rest of the physical universe
It's the alleged subjective experience of a man who was in and out of a coma at the time and has a vested financial interest. It doesn't even count as evidence.
>>59431666
DMT
>>59433499
>H-HH-HE MADE IT U-UP GUYS! THERE'S N-NO WAY.. R-RIGHT?!
Stay.btfo.
>>59431666
>>he still experiences leaving his body, feeling at peace, and freely journeying around the cosmos, time and space, communicating telepathically with other "spirits", and interacting with his dead sister
Where is the proof of this?
>>59433392
Nice assumptions mate, and you ignored my point as well, which I still stand by.
Either his brain was still alive during his hormonal trip, or he's lying out of his ass for sales which, because of his reputation, he can get away with saying anything he wanted to.
>>59432300
bleipt still Fotze
Alright, here's the Fedora explanation
There is no proof that perception took place while the brain stop. That's the goose no one's been able to catch. No one has proven that while in an NDE, one can percieve the world around them, describe paintings, etc. That would be the only real proof, and that didn't happen here.
Any other experiences could have been produced by the brain between the NDE and brain death. The fact that they were of other worlds only adds to the likelihood that they had no spiritual aspect- wouldn't someone engaged in supernatural behavior be able to see what was happening around them?
>>59431666
>666
Woah there ...
>>59431666
666 arguing for theism.
Nice try satan.
>>59431666
Isn't it safe to assume these hallucinations could have occurred at any point in time with his perspective so distorted?
It's not like he'd immediately pop back to clarity and awaken.
>>59431666
Even if that stuff were true, it wouldn't mean what you think it means. Sounds like the godless scientist didn't go straight to hell when he died.
So, if there's an afterlife, then it's very different from the one christians believe in. As I've assumed all along.
Man this made me realise GOD exist, better trash all my fedoras
>said noone ever
>>59434157
Not to mention
>Thousands of religions created by humanity
>Only Christianity is right! hurp
Do you know how stupidly easy it is for this guy to lie?
>Famous neurosurgeon that understands how comas work in and out
>Comes back from said coma
>Hatch up brilliant plan to get free money from religious retards
>Make up some fairy tail story about experience "God" and heaven
>No one will question you because "science"
>>59431666
Why the fuck do you care if neckbeards don't believe in God ?
Throwing stories of people that rolled over into spiritland and then rolled back won't win them over.
You best be wining their hearts nigger.
God is about heart. God is about the simplest and all enompassing truth outthere.
>>59432437
>Eben
t. Spurdo
>has a near death experience, goes into coma
>has hallucinations consistent with near death experienced
>wakes up later to say it "felt too real" to be hallucinations
>mfw neuroscientist says that shit
>>59434431
Rare
A
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What cuntry is that ? Audi TT cuntry ?
His brain obviously wasn't completely dead then. How do I know? Cause he has this experience. It was obviously a dream/hallucination.
Instead of going hmmm maybe we don't know everything about the brain. Maybe when we believe the brain to be non functioning I actually keeps functioning in certain areas.
But instead of being rational you automatically believe its a Christian God experience. Maybe it was an Islamic experience?
Plus if your brain-dead isn't that suppose to be game over? The fact he came back to life says there must of been some part of his brain working.
>>59433668
No one gives a shit about some faggot's story while he was in a comma.
You and your yelling won't make me change my mind.
I'm a Christian but even I know this shit is fake as fuck!
Stay kek, faggot!
Don't reply to me, I don't talk to faggots.
>>59434558
>Audi tt
>Romanian
>mfw he only knows what that is from stolen hood ornaments
>>59434137
It's a viable explanation. Myself, and many others, have experienced tremendous time dilation during psychedelic or disassociate 'trips'. You take a hit of DMT and experience a dozen years in just a few seconds.
It's possible that as he was entering his coma he experienced that fabled DMT-death-trip. Though retaining the memory of that trip a week after the fact while suffering debilitating brain-damage is a miracle in itself.
>>59431666
CHRISTFAGS BTFO NO HEAVEN AND HELL
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>>59434558
TT is maybe the most beautiful place in whole carribean, only Curacao can beat it
Atheists are heretics.
>Not eating what you want.
What a bunch of faggets tbhfam.
>>59434431
>>wakes up later to say it "felt too real" to be hallucinations
this neuroscientist is a faggot who has never experienced lucid dreams so his point is invalid
anyone who has experienced lucid dreams knows how powerfull the brain is to make you hallucinate shit
>>59434726
Damn! Simon Helberg really let himself go!
>>59431666
> Those trips
> Theosophical society
Try harder, Lucifer.
>>59431666
More likely after waking up from his coma, he woke up with a gap in his memory which was filled the instant he woke up by his own consciousness
>>59431666
>eben
Have someone else watched that Heaven Is For Real movie? That's a very strong redpill for atheists.
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>>59433392
Sperg. Sperg. SPERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRG.
>>59434831
What if you neither ignore and scroll or say 'Amen'? Like what I'm doing right now?
>>59434770
Stop with da nigga loving
>>59431666
>what one guy says should be taken as undeniable proof of anything
Sounds like religion in here, alright
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>>59432474
>being this salty
>being this delusional to facts that are right in front of your faggot faces
>thinking your first-paragraph-of-wiki insight is superior to this fields' leading authorities in the world
I understand you faggots are beaten and battered and desparate to tip your fedoras. I get it. You're insecure and lack any emotional intelligence, and are just as delusional as christfags. But while you're down, here's another kick in the urethra for you:
>Sam Parnia
>studies people who have been resuscitated, hundreds of them
>they say the same thing - while "dead", they felt completely at peace, and experienced immense love, from some force or being. People of different religions "interpreted" their experiences based on their specific religious beliefs, and atheists sensed a general "godly" presence or force
http://www.wired.com/2013/04/consciousness-after-death/
Stay mad, faggots
>>59434726
Do fatmobiles have deluxe brands and shieet ?
I am interested in some deluxe fatmobile hood ornaments for my collction TBQHFAM
>>59431666
>Implying science even fully understands the psychedelic experience with known variables
>Anyone being BTFO
>Pretending anything proves anything and we aren't all just going to die and rot in the ground like everything we love
just because spirits exist doesnt mean the bible is real dumbo
>dmt
christfags btfo
>>59434558
Trinidad and Tobago, the most first word third world country you can find.
>>59431666
So he made it up
>>59431666
>top neurosurgeon in world
Stopped reading right there. Call me when it's a credible scientist, such as Richard Dawkins.
How do we know he's not making it up?
>>59435051
Niggra you're barking at whole fucking lot and some niggreaz from that lot are swinging for you senpai. Fucking nigger
>>59435051
Can you provide a scientifically backed source for your claims that aren't related to whom you are regarding?
Also these flags itt
>>59431666
Not an atheist, but an agnostic:
Still doesn't prove that god exists.
>>59431666
astro projecting
>>59431666
>666 kek
>>59435257
I dunno just trying to help here read this.
https://www.bookdepository.com/Barbanell-Report/9780946259236
>>59435098
If it has rihanna type qt3.14 creole girls that are pros on running their tongues on muh dick i am moving there desu desu
>>59431666
Hypnotist here.
You might have heard how dreams actually last for a few seconds, yet can be perceived by lasting for a long time.
The perception of time is quite different when you're not fully conscious, and I can have people believe, through hypnosis alone, that they have been sleeping for a couple years, when it's only been 10 minutes, and they could tell you for several weeks straight about all the things they've done during those imaginary years.
Which means, what he thinks he saw might have just happened during the few seconds before he regained consciousness, and not spread across the entire NDE period. So death might just be absolutely nothing.
how was his brain incapable of producing hallucinations?
we dont really have a strong understanding of hallucinations or hallucinogenic states
its possible this could be an unusual and unique form of hallucination
jumping straight to god is unscientific
>>59431666
>not believing in a God
>>59435546
A wild hypnotist appears.
He uses "explanation".
It's super effective.
>>59435508
Cholo shit
>>59431666
>Eben Alexander
>Blowing the fuck out of fedoras
>Eben
MEME MAGIC STRIKES AGAIN!
>>59432075
we literally have no proof other than his word. what the fuck is this?
>>59435257
also related info.
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G2-3403800529.html
>>59435694
omg you fedoras just dont undesrtand how b t fo you are
dibs fuhdoras
>>59435257
FYI he just linked you to a shitty book published by some obscure religious publishing house.
guys, just because it's literally in a book doesn't mean it is factual.
This thread is a shit show all around.
>his brainscans and everything show that his brain literally is incapable of biologically producing hallucinations or visions or dreams, anything of that nature
No proof of this has been provided.
And even if it could be and was, there is no proof of his claims.
You do not know what proof is. You are a moron.
>>59435746
>encyclopedia of occultism and parapsychology
get the fuck outta here
Look everybody believes in God, unless you have some kinda of disability.
The problem lies in the organizations that claim to be "of God", and how much stock you should really put in them. Swearing blind obedience to anything is dangerous, a little skepticism is healthy.
I generally don't trust the testimony of people who are trying to sell me their book.
You are very naive if you take this at face value.
>>59435738
His brain scans. The top neuroscientists in the world. The fact that his brain stem was shriveled up like a jew's dick and unable to produce brain activity. No blood or electricity was going to his brain. No biological explanation for his events. It had to have been above biology. What part of this do you not understand you gigantic fucking faggot?
>>59435090
this
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>>59434137
Heck, I only suggested an alternative, and wanted to provoke thought.
Feel free to contribute to the discussion though.
>>59435051
>people have scary experience
>try to rationalize it with fantasy
Try hard / 10
>>59431666
Here's an idea - He made it all up. He could've said he was dancing with the banana people of Pluto, or that Allah was the one true god after he went to Islamic heaven. He could've literally said anything.
The fucking flags in this thread. Absolute fucking retardation from all over the planet. Even the fucking niggers can understand this concept but you retards can't seem to grasp it. The science is literally in front of your fucking face. Click the fucking link, pirate his book, and use your faggot eyes to see the words, and make your brain process than into information. And then put a gun in your mouth and pull the fucking trigger because there is no fucking way anyone worth being on this earth is this fucking stupid.
>>59435959
here's how i would explain it
>he has his near death experience
>brain activity surges then halts
>he has his elaborate hallucinations during the surge
> his brain writes it to memory then halts
> we he comes to it will feel like there is no gap in his stream of thought
>>59435959
what he's saying is that the evidence for his experiences are only his words; since there are no brain scans etc.
one explanation could be that his brain going through the reboot experienced all of those things with a dialated time experience
on the other hand, I believe all of this stuff, because i already believed it
>people, including scientists,make up shit and lie out their asses all the time.
>maybe we dont actually know how the human brain works nearly as well as we tell ourselves we do
Im a church going christian and that seems like 2 reasonable explanations.
>>59435959
>We can't explain something with our current understanding
>MUST BE MUH RELIGION.
And the lightning is Zeus being angry, cuck? Stop being a fucking sheep.
>>59436123
and after you kill yourself, you will continue living anyway! SO IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE HAHAHAHAHA
>>59432418
DUMB CHRISTIANS BLOWN THE FUCK OUT
Christfags should make themselves useful and gunfight ISIS.. Then we could work at getting all the religious dip shits into an area to fight amongst themselves.. Then we just need to remove black and the world will be great
>>59436179
p sure i had something similar to this when i lost a lot of blood and was zippity zapped to life, was 2spooky
>>59434163
>>59435723
>**CUTE TOMATO**(かわいいトマト)
SHOO SHOO BETA BITCHBOI
>>59431666
Satan explains why he is real.
>>59432833
>Drugs are degenerate! Tripping on your own brain drugs and seeing God is great, pls buy book
>>59434831
stop fighting over my universe you bunch of fucking faggots we earned these physical bodies holy mother of dick terrestrial life is enough of a pain in my ass without a bunch of 7d faggots fighting over my shit go fuck yourself the both of you and take your angels and demons with you.
>>59431666
>666
Sure thing the deceiving one...
>>59434921
>professional bull prepper thinks he knows more than a team of neuroscientists about how the brain works
When Eben Alexander needs help building a cuckshed you can chime in, until then stick to what you know.
>almost die
>slip into coma
>somehow survive
>hatch plan
>tell story about the afterlife or something
>get money from book
It's pretty simple f a m
If what he said is true, it only proves there is an afterlife. Does not prove Christianity.
Even if his experience isn't falsified, am I missing where in the link it stated anything having to do with God or heaven.
>>59435051
so you think atheists and christfags are delusional?
wtf are you then?
>>59431666
Buy his book so you can get the details.
He died for your memes
>>59434872
And your God is still fake.
>>59431666
it is not currently the job of science to explore the spiritual. Only the physical. Certainly this is the case in medicine, which is a science based entirely upon the physical/mechanical.
Just as religion cannot confront the scientific because "its not from there" the same goes with brute physical science when confronting anything that cannot be examined in brute physical means.
>>59431666
I'll refute his claims as soon as he provides proof of his experiences having happened.
>>59431666
It's very simple to explain with 2 possible ways:
1.) he's lying
2.) he's insane
Cure: bullet in the head.
>>59431666
> This proves my personal sky fairy exists.
Fuck off.
>>59436921
I am a steel toed boot kicking you in the urethra. I am the bringer of truth. Both atheists and christfags are wrong. Jesus, Mohammed and Dawkins are all figureheads with their thumbs up their asses. Below is a list of all credible scientists in this field, whose opinion holds weight. Anyone outside of this list is a fucking know-nothing whose opinion is not even worth human shit.
>Dr. Eben Alexander
>Dr. Sam Parnia
>Dr. Steven Greer
>Neil De Grasse Tyson
>Dr. Norman Doidge
>Alex Jones
>>59435884
>complains because muh parapsychology
That's the closest thing we have to science with the paranormal.
>>59432075
I enjoyed this post
>>59433728
Funny I feel like that on drugs.
Drugs are God.
ATHIESTS BLOWN OUT
>>59437288
>Alex Jones
>H-HE'S LYING IT'S THE ONLY EXPLANATION
Athiests are getting blown the fuck out in this thread.
>>59433298
OH IS THAT ALL?
>>59437288
do you think atheists can't believe in anything supernatural?
>>59437477
So are christfags... he never said he went to what seemed like heaven or hell.
>>59431666
>666
>AFTERLIFE
>DR. EBEN
TRULY EBIN HAHAHA
>>59434431
>wakes up later to say it "felt too real" to be hallucinations
Thats the thing... there were no fucking way that hallucinations could have occurred. The brain did not receive blood for over 10 minutes, there was no brain activity at ALL, nothing. No electro-chemical processes were activating, no neurons were firing, no EEG activity, etc.
There was no physical way for this man to see this shit but he did. There have been hundreds of cases similar to this one (roughly ~10% of resuscitated people experience this) and in many cases people that have been clinically dead without brain activity can describe, minute by minute, what their doctors did to resuscitated; eyes closed and with zero blood flowing in their brains.
It may be a leap to go "godz n shiiz r real" but some of these findings could be evidence that instead of the brain influencing consciousness, the consciousness influences the brain.
Here's some more information on NDEs:
http://www.wired.com/2013/04/consciousness-after-death/
>>59431666
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_memory
Clearly he was molested as an altar boy.
>>59437182
Or he hallucinated both before actually losing brain power and after... and he mis-remembered the timeline.
>>59437529
>A big giant robed man must appear before you and state he is god for a god to exist
>>59437477
Of course he's lying, since i am superman and i fly when people don't see me, sometimes i fly also in dreams, like a ghost, i communicate to vegetables and play poker with god, it's all true, i am telling you, but you can't prove it, because it's not physical. So literally i am your new god, bow down to me and give me your money, god needs money.
>>59437704
Or go fuck yourself. Learn basic neuroscience you fucking nigger. It's explained to you in the OP in front of your fucking face. Stevie Wonder could fucking see this.
>>59432437
> Being this butthurt
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>>59431666
>Neuroscientist has a dream
>wakes up and is delusional
HAAHAHAHA ATHIESITS BTFO THIS PROVES ONCE AND FOR ALL A WIZARD MADE THE UNIVERSE
guys I really can't wait for this super dank internet christian meme to just fucking die
>>59437704
No, i know for sure that he's lying because i am godly satan, i know everything, i am telling you he's lying, just trust me, i am god.
>>59431666
Eben, simply erin.
>>59437812
>Alexander recognized that his deceased sister was the beautiful girl on the butterfly wing.
The guy's a closet pedo, like all wanna-be priests. Discarded.
>>59434648
What's that? All I hear is gurgling from you choking on Satan's cock.
>I'm a Christian
Yea fucking right
>>59434831
AMEN
>>59434831
AMEN
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>>59437944
What is this meme called? I know the weird guy is birdo or something but who is this? I've been calling him leg-man.
>>59435051
Gaytheists, rekt
>>59437812
>Alexander examined nine neuroscientific hypotheses that might explain his experience, including the hypothesis that some isolated cortical networks may have been functioning. That explanation would not explain the robust, richly interactive nature of his recollections.
>Link under hypertext...
>http://www.eternea.org/Eben_Alexander/Ebens_NDE.htm
>404 - File or directory not found.
>The resource you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable.
LOL Christfag's got BTFO so hard they have to hide the truth.
>>59437567
>Thats the thing... there were no fucking way that hallucinations could have occurred.
Did he die from brain death?
No. He woke up. During waking up his brain is active and he can hallucinate.
>There have been hundreds of cases similar to this one (roughly ~10% of resuscitated people experience this) and in many cases people that have been clinically dead without brain activity can describe, minute by minute, what their doctors did to resuscitated; eyes closed and with zero blood flowing in their brains.
The evidence in all cases is extremely doubtful, always with the much more plausible explanation that the details were present before or after the unconscious state, that they're superficial and common and can be guessed, or otherwise explained with Occam's Razor.
Or, just shit they heard waking up.
>It may be a leap to go "godz n shiiz r real" but some of these findings could be evidence that instead of the brain influencing consciousness, the consciousness influences the brain.
Then why are dead people dead?
Why does removing your brain affect your consciousness? Why does removing part of your brain affect consciousness? Why does starving your brain of oxygen make you hallucinate and then pass out? Why does a strong magnetic field to the head make your consciousness be unable to do certain things? Why does the severing of the median in the brain make the left and right brain operate independently, under experiment unable to communicate information between them?
If consciousness wasn't liked to the biological state of the brain none of this would be happening.
Instead all evidence but a flimsy collection of personal anecdotes tell us consciousness arises from the physical brain and is also gone when the physical matter is interrupted or destroyed.
I get that you're scared of death.
I get that you can't bring yourself to just believe.
But this is fucking pathetic.
>>59431666
Are we just not going to talk about the 666 get?
:^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^)
>>59434831
AMEN
>>59431666
Deep down they didn't understand faith and instead of asking they chose to ignore God. With them being older it'll look dumb for them to renounce God for all these years. You can't unexplain this as a dream or some other dumb excuses
>>59438275
I think the article sums up what every reasonable person's reaction should be...
>Finally, Harris completely misreads Alexander's account of coming to recognize that the beautiful girl on the butterfly wing was his deceased sister Betsy, whom he had never met because he had been adopted. Harris characterizes this as "wishful thinking" and "self-deception leading to a distortion of memory":
Do you people want to know how i created universe?
I am god.
I can't tell you because i keep my human form separated from my god creating being. I know i created lots of things, even in this second, but i can't explain it to you because you wouldn't understand and i can't show you, because my power is maximum and not for mortal eyes to see.
>>59438114
it's gondola
a krautchan /int/ meme
other guy is spurdo not birdo
SCIENCE AND SPIRITUALITY
I know atheists, bible thumpers and Scientologists are going to argue over this topic however it is critical that everyone on 4chan actually knows about this because everything is so diverse nowadays and no one gets a look at the bigger picture. Its all a big jigsaw puzzle that everyone needs to put together which is why all religions sound exactly the same if you've ever delved into it AND YES, SCIENCE IS AS MUCH OF A RELIGION AS CHRISTIANITY IS. If you truly think you're right in whatever it is that you research then please think again because everything is always being updated. I mean come on, everyone thought the world was flat at one point and that we were the center of the universe. Nowadays, we are beginning to discover more planets that are capable of harvesting life which creates the possibility of life being in the stars (no shit). If you're the type of person to really think that we are the only species in the universe and let your life revolve around a God that hangs out in the clouds while his angels blow their trumpets then you, my fellow human, have been decieved by the reptilian agenda. In reality, we're all clouded by this ego of being correct. Being self centered and arrogant. In other words, an asshole who has to have something to say in everything just to sound right.
NIKOLA TESLA AND THOMAS EDISON
This is a no brainer. Instead of Edison being a prick and trying to 1 up Tesla, they could have easily used their brains and cooperate to find more resourceful means of creating energy but instead it led to Edison creating a business out of it. A commodity! Without the rats trying to make a quick buck off of the human race, the Earth wouldve been such a better place to live in. There would be no poverty, instead of one it would be all, a group consciousness.
My brothers and sisters, the galactic war is so soon and starseeds are awakening. Humans are becoming enlightened, beginning to think for THEMSELVES. Check em
>>59431666
>Guy gets brain damage from nearly dying.
>Misremembers a bunch of shit.
>Christians claim this is proof.
It's like Christians WANT to be memes.
>>59432075
There is no need to be upset.
>>59437927
This
>>59431666
I wonder how religion and general superstition will fare once women are extinct thanks to the artificial womb.
I'm not just talking about pic related, as obvious being retard help in believing retard nonsense, but how many men are religious just to get access to a ( supposedly ) reliable womb ?
I'm sure it won't die without the slaughter of the various breed of subhumans out there-niggers and sandniggers males exist after all-but it'll still be interesting to witness.
>>59437707
>thinks just because I said heaven and hell aren't real I mean there is no God
So what you're saying is because I pointed out that the man experienced neither heaven or hell that inherently there can be no God?
I'm actually an agnostic theist I believe in a God just don't believe that he imposes the rules you think he does.
pic related : you have a similar sense of logic.
>>59437927
I can't wait for Jesus to come back and pimp smack you gaytheists for being so fucktarded
Having only known existence, I have no reason to assume I shall ever not exist. I can not even say with 100% certainty that I will die. I assume I will die because I have seen others die, and have heard tales of others dying. And so I expect this fate for myself and accept it. In accepting, cause. Perhaps one day I will become enlightened and will not die, because I'll have no need to die. Who knows? But what I do know is, if there is something we can all call "God," it isn't the deity of any religion - including Christianity. They're all far too simple to be responsible for the complexity of our reality.
>>59438512
Science is not a religion at all though. It is merely a way to explain observed phenomena. Many atheists and similar sorts attempt to use "science" in a form similar to religion (often their science is more akin to pseudoscience and misinterpretation), but science itself is not a religion in the slightest.
>>59439146
>...but science itself is not a religion in the slightest.
Probably why so many religious people hate it.
Still fails to prove any religion is right
Still fails to enter in contact with god
Claims to being in contact with dead sister, who should be in heaven/hell, but couldn't get any information.
Fails to prove if there's a god, that he cares about anything
Fails to demonstrate any perception of time within his dream, meaning he could have dreamed about all of that while his brain wasn't being monitored.
But the thing that gives it out the most is that, despite it supposed to be a completely out of body experience, his dream fails to show any element or concept he didn't know of. His dream is basically just that, a dream. He hasn't seen any type of complicated, structured architectures, models, or concepts unknown to man, no, just a void and riding a butterfly with a girl.
>>59438275
Well think about a computer disconnecting from the internet. It doesn't make the computer disappear just the connection to the internet "world". Or even hooking the tv to cable to see the stream of television. Would it really be so hard to imagine that our brains and bodies are nothing more than vessels?
I would even say dying could be just waking from a simulation.
>The evidence in all cases is extremely doubtful, always with the much more plausible explanation that the details were present before or after the unconscious state, that they're superficial and common and can be guessed, or otherwise explained with Occam's Razor.
>Or, just shit they heard waking up.
>I get that you're scared of death.
>I get that you can't bring yourself to just believe.
>But this is fucking pathetic.
Wow, can you try any harder to come off as a narrow-minded individual that seems as if anything other than what you believe is wrong. You actually even forecast that it will be wrong before you even see it. That's amazing.... You'd make a great scientist.
>>59438275
>No. He woke up. During waking up his brain is active and he can hallucinate.
Look Achmed, some of these fuckers can describe being fucking operated on, step by fucking step. They talk with the neuroscientists and doctors afterward and can confirm what methods were used and steps taken.
>Then why are dead people dead? Why does removing your brain affect your consciousness? Why does removing part of your brain affect consciousness? Why does starving your brain of oxygen make you hallucinate and then pass out? Why does a strong magnetic field to the head make your consciousness be unable to do certain things? Why does the severing of the median in the brain make the left and right brain operate independently, under experiment unable to communicate information between them?
I don't fucking know. Noticed how I said that there was a case to be made for that interpretation, not that it was god's own fucking handwriting.
Besides, if the brain is a "receiver" (for lack of a better word) for consciousness then it makes sense that tampering with it with will reduce "transmission quality"; we know that certain areas of the brain light up doing certain actions, establishing a correlation, but we do not know the root cause.
>I get that you're scared of death. I get that you can't bring yourself to just believe.But this is fucking pathetic.
>HURR HURR STOP DISBELIEVING IN MATERIALISM YOU FUCKING HERETIC, QUANTUM MECHANICS IS A HERESY!
>>59431666
Your brain produces DMT.
Smoke DMT friends
>>59435082
2/10 bantz gypo try again
>>59439345
He would make a good scientist. He's asking questions. You're just meme'ing, "GAYTHEISTS BTFO!!!!!(*H;ADKLSHR!!!"
>>59435090
YES IT DOES YOU SHUT YOUR FUCKIN WHORE MOUTH WHAT ELSE COULD IT MEAN?
>>59439146
I only believe science can be interpreted as a religion when you come the conclusion that science is not infallible because people can in fact be bribed. Psychology can be interpreted as a sort of religion because pharmaceutical companies have the means and motivation to slant the science to sell you as many pills as possible. There are new disorders made up each year.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/15-new-mental-illnesses-in-the-dsm-5-2013-05-22
I believe these are attempts to produce new revenue from pills.
>>59439338
>Still fails to prove any religion is right
........
>Still fails to enter in contact with god
......Yeah because we all know how that joke ends. "So I was talking to god and -- wtf why are you taking me away wtf guys really wtf IM NOT CRAZY WTF"
>Claims to being in contact with dead sister, who should be in heaven/hell, but couldn't get any information.
Are you that lady from TLC the detective medium or something. The amount of buttrage on display is hitting "beyond jealousy".
>Fails to prove if there's a god, that he cares about anything
Ok, epicurus, it's your fault you fail to understand duality in life.
>Fails to demonstrate any perception of time within his dream, meaning he could have dreamed about all of that while his brain wasn't being monitored.
Perception of time in dreams. Are you real life nigga? How the fuck would you verify that as a statement.
>But the thing that gives it out the most is that, despite it supposed to be a completely out of body experience, his dream fails to show any element or concept he didn't know of. His dream is basically just that, a dream. He hasn't seen any type of complicated, structured architectures, models, or concepts unknown to man, no, just a void and riding a butterfly with a girl.
So in other words what happened to him didn't conform to your 8 year old sensibilities of what a good acid trip is like. Wonderful.
the doctor CLAIMS this stuff but can't prove it and is probably lying.
>>59434831
Can't, or won't?
>>59439530
Source... and i mean fucking something legit.
>>59431666
>man was religious
>woke up groggy, felt high and like he was floating
>his brain started assembling a story based on his existing frame of mind
>he progressively reaffirmed to himself that this was what happened, especially when he started telling others
This is what happened. And I'm not even atheist.
>>59438955
I can't wait for Jesus to come back and fucking hate anyone calling themselves Christian because 99% of them disregard his most important teachings.
>Eben
>>59439857
>Accuses other of "buttrage."
>Is literally bottom bothered.
>>59439857
At least you tried.
>So in other words what happened to him didn't conform to your 8 year old sensibilities of what a good acid trip is like. Wonderful.
What bothers me is that his dream didn't contain element he couldn't have known beforehand.
Now, if you don't have anything to bring other than your passive aggressive greentext without any well-formulated argument, well excuse me.
>>59431666
>http://iands.org/news/news/research-news/888-eben-alexander-answers-skeptics-criticisms.html
>iands
>international association for near death studies
>literally an /x/-tier site
Fucking embarrassing.
>>59439345
>Well think about a computer disconnecting from the internet. It doesn't make the computer disappear
This answers none of the questions I had.
>Would it really be so hard to imagine that our brains and bodies are nothing more than vessels?
Yes, since the "vessel" is distorting what you imagine exists outside of the body.
If I remove part of your brain you will lose function in your consciousness. If we apply magnetic fields we don't even need to remove function permanently to make you unable to count or speak, depending on where we point the magnetic interference.
This makes no fucking sense if the body is a vessel for consciousness. You didn't address this at all.
>I would even say dying could be just waking from a simulation.
Hello Joe Rogan. Far out man. Do shrooms and buy my supplements, right?
>Wow, can you try any harder to come off as a narrow-minded individual
Asking basic questions about basic science facts and the inconsistency of your own fucking idea is "narrow minded" now?
>You actually even forecast that it will be wrong before you even see it. That's amazing.... You'd make a great scientist.
Yes, that's called the null hypothesis. The reason we need evidence to establish something is that "just believe me maan, you gotta open your mind maaan" is bullshit non science and leads nowhere.
>>59431666
>Eben
>>59431666
Why is it always trailer trash Jesus freaks claiming to have near death experiences? Why is it never a scientist, doctor or neurosurgeon?
Oh shit this guy was a neurosurgeon?
Well, he's just a quack trying to make a quick buck by hawing a book full of nonsense.
Formation of RIGHT WING DEATH SQUADS, now we all wish to be in powered armor soldiers with MG42 patrolling the street but unfortunately that's not going to be reality in anytime soon, so I propose this more realistic and practical formation:
4 - 5 man squad
Point man - shotgun either pump or semi auto, recommended: Mossberg 590, 930SPX or Vepr 12 (all cost less than $1000), carry a bandolier of shotgun shells or huge ass shotgun mags, must be the must courageous and mobile member of the squad, tasked with flanking and killing enemies.
1 or 2 Riflemen with AR15 or AK variant, at least 10 mags of 30 rounders, general infantry dudes.
Rifle man 2 "pseudo-machine gunner", AR or AK with a heavy barrel with geiseille "fast shooting" trigger and/or a bumpfire stock, at least 10 mags of 40 rounders, suppressive fire.
Marksman with battle rifle (accurized AR-10, M14, G3 or Vepr in 7.62x51 real fucking NATO), at least 10 mags of 7.62x51, tasked with sniping, counter-sniping and killing "marked" enemies (officers, machine gunner, important enemies) in cover.
>>59440257
Well think about a computer disconnecting from the internet. It doesn't make the computer disappear
>This answers none of the questions I had.
Well it answers at least to me a question of your comprehension and of how you perceive the world. Your body is a computer ok. Life is nothing more than the internet is my comparison. It's not meant as a meta-narrative IE rogan, but as another view.
>If I remove part of your brain you will lose function in your consciousness.
Prove that statement.
>Asking basic questions about basic science facts and the inconsistency of your own fucking idea is "narrow minded" now?
No but forcing ideas to conform to your views, yes.
Yes, that's called the null hypothesis. The reason we need evidence to establish something is that "just believe me maan, you gotta open your mind maaan" is bullshit non science and leads nowhere.
I like how you try to sound smart by dismissing ideas out of hand by the nature of them being "half baked". To the uninitiated they will laugh, and that's fine.
(google) Null Hypothesis - A null hypothesis is a statistical hypothesis that is tested for possible rejection under the assumption that it is true (usually that observations are the result of chance).
Yeah, definately. So show me at least the back of a napkin data you used to make such a suggestion.
>>59436427
i always knew that guy looked like a little bitch.
1. Once, a friend of another volunteer wanted to earn some money by baking bread. He got a little bit of money together and used it to buy ingredients. He built a mud stove himself, and cooked 30 loaves of “village bread” - basically misshapen, doughy baguette. He took the bread to the road, and started to sell them, until his father came by. His father said, “You have bread! The family needs bread!” and took 20 loaves for himself and the rest of the kids (this particular father had 4 wives and 8 kids per wife). Our enterprising African friend was left bankrupt. He lost his entire initial investment and never made bread again.
This is the basic story of Africa: communalism gone insane. It is completely unthinkable to refuse a demand of an elder or a family member for money or food. People hid any small money they had, because if anyone knew they had it, there would be a line around the corner asking for loans and favors, and they would be honor-bound or whatever to say yes. I told my friends over and over to say no, and each time they politely explained to me that it was impossible. The whole system is built to pull people down to the lowest common denominator.
>>59440041
https://dx.doi.org/10.1016%2Fj.bcp.2014.01.035
>>59437182
>no 3 because I'm an edgy atheist
can't wait for putin to steamroll you godless fucks
Americans are so die hard Christians
Calm down please
MIND - Related to thoughts and decisions of individuals and the consequences of those decisions. Also intelligence. If the decicions of the left brain play the key role in your existance, this might be it. However, this is not to be confused with being left-brained in general. Often for left brained people it is the few right-brain-moments that are really important and vice versa for right-brainers.
HEART - Also comparable to "soul", or the essence of being. It is ironic that this is my aspect as a whole, seeing as my soul is linked to the realm of nonexistance. Then again, this is exactly why being in itself is such a big aspect for me. If who you ARE (and all the small parts inside of that) is a big deal to you this might be it. But seeing as aspects can either affect you or you affect this aspect of others or affect them WITH that aspect, it could also mean that if you play a huge role in the being (NOT the creation, thats space) of others, that could also mean this is your aspect. Or both. It's also the opposite to mind, so the right-brain version of it. If right-brain moments (intuition rather than logic) are the protagonists of your story, you can also roll with this.
>>59437288
>le black carl sagan man
>dr fix your fucking teeth greer
>alex jones
kek
2. Every day, I ate the same meal – a huge communal bowl of rice, with fish and some vegetables. Every day, the family I lived with spent a good amount of money (for them) to buy bitter tomatoes and okra to put in the rice, despite the fact that nobody liked bitter tomatoes or okra. I asked, why do you waste so much money on these vegetables that nobody eats? They told me, because we don’t want anyone to think we’re poor.
Africans are all about face and presentation, to the point of self-ruin. We’re talking about people for whom buying a couple vegetables has a huge impact on their bottom line, but they still do it. Saving money is basically impossible. I’m convinced that they have no conception of the future, aside from a vague idea that tomorrow will come. Cause and effect seemed to have no meaning. People who planned well, saved money and invested were not lauded or emulated, just dismissed as flukes or having received the blessing of Allah. Actually, Africans probably took to Islam like flies to s**t because in Islam, everything flows directly from God – it is a religion that gives people permission to believe that everything is out of their hands, which they believe anyway.
>http://www.seiyaku.com/customs/pagan-symbols.html
CHRISTIANITY BTFO!
>>59431666
This is why we may never find whats beyond.
The religious will strike against the irreligious over anything.
Atheists need to quit being smug, they are like that idiot who blindfolds himself then claims you cant prove that anything exists.
Theists need to quit looking for a chance to jump on the atheists.
Why don't we actually do some legitimate study on this and try and see what we can find?
>>59439529
>some of these fuckers can describe being fucking operated on, step by fucking step. They talk with the neuroscientists and doctors afterward and can confirm what methods were used and steps taken.
So you claim. The actual evidence is much more shaky. Not to mention all this is available to research beforehand if they want to con people, and there are plenty of con artists in the realm of NDE, "spirituality" and re-affirming belief. How do we know this? There are at least three big NDE accounts that were made into books recently, some got made into movies, they all conflict with each other even though they appeal to the christian worldview directly.
>I don't fucking know.
Can you construct an experiment with which we could find out if you are right? That's basic falsifiability.
>Besides, if the brain is a "receiver" (for lack of a better word) for consciousness then it makes sense that tampering with it with will reduce "transmission quality"
Why does all the evidence point to the brain being a squishy creator of consciousness? Your hypothesis doesn't answer this. You can't answer why specific changes to the brain changes the consciousness.
We know people who get certain types of injuries have massive changes in personality. Why would that happen if the "transmission quality" went down?
How about people who have split the brain median and can get information directed to either side of the brain, but be unable to communicate this between them. Do they have two consciousnesses? How many does a single person get?
>>HURR HURR STOP DISBELIEVING IN MATERIALISM YOU FUCKING HERETIC, QUANTUM MECHANICS IS A HERESY!
Oh great, citing "quantum mechanics" as an argument to just believe the bullshit you're selling is the surest sign you don't have any clue what quantum mechanics is or have an inkling of how to actually defend your idea.
It's another appeal to "just believe me maaan, don't ask questions maaan".
RAGE - The literal form of the aspect here is obvious, if you have been a berserker through all of your existance this is a good guess. But it also symbolizes chaos and madness - so the jester and trickster kind of guys come to mind. Also physical strengh and the absence of magic, or at least magic that acts through physical form. It also represents the demonic idea of freedom through chaos, rather than disconnection. This aspect is, like, the other opposite to both mind and heart - relying neither on left brain or right brain, this one is the no-brainer. So basically: This aspect is the aspect of madness. ("Negative demonic")
HOPE - The fourth "path" here is also relying neither on left or right, but on believeing in justice and making this your guide - though remember, "justice" is a subjective idea and can be different for everyone. Holy light would be how its energy looks like. The aspect of how priests and knights SHOULD be like. The literal sense is easy to understand here: Do you give a lot of hope? Do you destroy it a lot? Do you use it for yourself through your belief? Then you can roll with this. Also, obviously, the opposite to rage. ("Positive angelic")
(To avoid misunderstandings: The belief of "hope" has nothing to do with believing in god or being very religious. That's "luck". The belief here is that of believing in "what is right".)
MIND & HEART symbolize the duality of left and right, male and female, logic and intuition, thinking and feeling etc.
RAGE & HOPE symbolize the duality of chaos and order - and what one associates with that.
THESE FOUR ASPECTS ARE LINKED IN THE SENSE THAT THEY ARE ALL PATHS ONE CAN TAKE THROUGH EXISTANCE.
>>59440965
Observation has an impact on reality. That should be enough but walk through CERN go ahead.
>>59432437
pls go and visit your god asap aka kill yourself.
>>59434831
AMEN
>>59440965
>Why don't we actually do some legitimate study on this and try and see what we can find?
Because it's not possible to do a legitimate study on illegitimate claims.
Feel free to try, if you can think of a way, though.
The propagation of symbols does not denote power, it is the very source of power itself.
Cold Showers. Weight lifting. No drinking. No smoking. For a few months.
Then a heroic dose of Psylocibins.
>>59441021
>Observation has an impact on reality
No it doesn't.
We think it might.
But it probably doesn't.
Don't be that guy who held on to the Ptolemaic theory.
>>59441090
>illegitimate claims
Its things like this that hold us back.
You're assuming that there is nothing to it.
Science died when it took on an agenda.
Even if they are illegitimate, studying them cant hurt and will most likely lead to something.
I'm sorry you're afraid of real science.
>>59441158
http://phys.org/news/2015-10-zeno-effect-verifiedatoms-wont.html
I am sure the equipment is faulty.
>>59431666
Hes alive now so there was time before and after the brain shutting down where it could have come up with that crap
The brain would have not even been 100% shutdown or it wouldnt have come back
>>59441253
>You're assuming that there is nothing to it.
It's a reasonable thing to assume.
>Even if they are illegitimate, studying them cant hurt and will most likely lead to something.
This is a contradictory statement and the ACTUAL reason science is having a hard time.
>>59441253
>Even if they are illegitimate
>you're afraid of real science
Why don't we waste more money dreaming away when engineering and architectural sciences that create a better world around us are abandoned for a computer simulation.
>>59441382
yup.
half chan is a sad place.
>>59435891
>everybody believes in God
Speak for yourself christfag. Which god by the way? And then define him or her.
Imagine people saying "I believe in Goddess." WHICH ONE!?! Ludicrous right? Yet countless millions of christfags say they believe in God.
WHICH ONE??
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message3042764/pg1
inb4 we WUZ KANGZ
All this shit flinging. God exists and he gave us the Bible.
>>59431666
>leading neuroscientist on the planet
Why do religious people do this?
It's always "world expert"
They just love authority
>>59441594
Just a hint. The Most High God, the God above all other gods, The Alpha and the Omega, King of Kings, Lord of Lords, the Lamb of God, the Comforter(Holy Spirit, Holy Ghost, Dove), The beginning and the end, The Word.
Yeshua is the Son of God, Yahweh is the Father, and the Holy Ghost is the Comforter (literal translation).
You set a trap, and a trap shall be set for you.
>>59441958
>the God above all other gods
which ones senpai
>>59437509
I kek'd
Also Christian reporting
>>59442725
Sam Harris is also a prominent figure in the anti-SJW fight, you're a retard if you don't respect the dude.
PhD in neuroscience and degree in philosophy.
>>59440977
>Oh great, citing "quantum mechanics" as an argument to just believe the bullshit you're selling is the surest sign you don't have any clue what quantum mechanics is or have an inkling of how to actually defend your idea.
You are one dense motherfucker. Your post reeks of half-reading my arguments before casually dismissing them because you have heard some of other vaguely similar argument from someone else before.
The reason I "cited" quantum mechanics is because quantum mechanics completely undermines materialism. Proven, time tested experiments have shown that the atoms that make up our physical reality have little... substance. "Beneath" the whole of our reality lies a hellscape of probabilities and waves forms that CHANGE based on not just observation, but KNOWLEDGE of that observation. The very existence of our consciousness "transcends" matter and its laws, even if it does so only on the nano-scale.
Its hard to believe that the brain is a strictly "materialist entity" that runs entirely on eletro-chemical processes when we can fucking measure it changing reality.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6HLjpj4Nt4
>>59442959
Holy shit, none of this is true.
Consciousness does not shape physical reality, do you know that with all of these experiments "observing" might also be a mere machine doing the observing?
>>59442959
You're really annoying me.
Observation do not mean that a being endowed of the holy ghost looking at some lump of matter magically change its properties.
Observation, when discussing quantum mechanics, is radiation interference.
To observe an experiment, you need by definition to interact with it.
Nothing fucking more, nothing fucking less, you bloody deluded retard.
>>59442959
You don't understand quantum mechanics, and why would you? Very few people really do.
>>59436501
Severely underrated post.
Amen.
What religion does this correlate to?
>Journeying through the cosmos talking to spirits
>>59443136
>It should be noted that while he has a Ph.D. in neuroscience, Harris does not practice neuroscience and is not a clinician.
Everyone can get a phd and then not practice (pro tip they aren't capable of)
>>59443136
wanted to reply to this guy>>59442942
>>59443348
>t. carl sagan
>>59443136
>>59443137
>>59443235
KNOWLEDGE COLLAPSES THE WAVEFORM.
KNOWLEDGE REQUIRES A KNOWER.
ERGO, THE KNOWER (ie. consciousness) CHANGES THE WAVEFORM
Look you motherfuckers its not the "machine" doing the observing, it is not "radiation interference", there is demonstrable proof that observation of the waveform, EVEN AFTER THE MACHINE HAS MEASURED IT, retroactively changes the results. Yes, that's right, retroactively, time has no place in quantum mechanics.
Seriously watch this fucking video, it has been been reviewed and edited by physicists and is a overview of the 1999 quantum eraser experiment:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6HLjpj4Nt4
the brain can rewire itself after it is damaged. this is most notable when damage occurs to the left or right side but not exclusive to this
saying he cant have dreams is retarded. rem state sleep is required for specific auto-anomic functions. rem state sleep is dream sleep. without it he would die eventually
additionally hallucinations only require him to be able to see. the part of his barin that processes the data from the eyes can malfunction possibly from a lack of use over time because he was in a coma then sudden use
>>59431836
>some guy said some things that he has no way of proving
>guess i'll just believe him
Are you a Mormon?
>>59444002
>conflating personal knowledge with material information
>>>/sci/
>>59434831
AMEN
>>59444194
You make me proud to be a Canadian.
>>59444002
>KNOWLEDGE COLLAPSES THE WAVEFORM
Observation collapses the waveform.
Observation in the form of instruments interacting with the experiment.
Ergo, the instruments collapse the waveform by interacting with it.
Do you think people can see interactions at this scale with the naked eye?
Do you think you can understand one of the most complex and theoretical fields of modern physics, a subject only a handful of people on the planet truly understand, by glancing over a Wikipedia article?
>>59431666
Sam Harris blew this dude out in "Waking Up"
>>59434831
liek dis if u luv santanas
>>59434831
AMEN
>>59435663
Nothing is happening in your brain when you are "brain dead". I don't quite know how else to phrase that.
I would agree with you jumping strait to "God did it, oh oh oh!", is very unscientific.
However, I think that actual scientific Atheist / Agnostics would be interested to know that human consciousness and memory appears to be able to exist without the physical parts we believe responsible for it.
>>59434805
by the very definition of atheism they are heretics. the thing is though, nobody gives a fuck about your roleplay power fantasy
You fucking idiot.
You loli fucking idiot.
Aside from the fact that you're taking a non demonstrable personal experience as absolute fact, you're still a brain dead weeaboo.
Take any basic psychology class anywhere. When there are no memories of a period of unconsciousness, the brain fills in the period unconsciousness with random, often strange "memories" of feelings/sensory information to fill in the blanks
The greatest weapon the devil has is his disbelief in him
dubs get
>>59444786
If consciousness and memory was dissociated from the brain, then brain damage would be irrelevant to both personality and memory.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/peace-of-mind-near-death/
I don't know about this case in particular, but in general NDE are hocus pocus
>>59444976
Don't bother he did what so many theists and leftists do, he saw something that he thought might confirm a bias he has, briefly glanced over the information and selected the parts that fit his preconceptions, then ignored the rest.
>>59444002
conscious has no part in observation, even if they use eyes to represent technical instruments you christian retard.
>>59432945
She epin /b/!
>>59431666
1) He has no evidence
2) Assertions are not facts. All he's got are assertions. (eg, "I saw spirits, I swear. I have no evidence, but trust me, I saw spirits.")
Neurosurgeon BTFO by me
>>59434831
AMEN
>>59444786
>human consciousness and memory appears to be able to exist without the physical parts we believe responsible for it.
Look at all that lack of citation and evidence.
>>59431666
>religiousfags taking some faggot neurologists made up story for publicity seriously
Haha faggots. So much denial in this thread. There is no God accept the truth
>>59434831
AMEN
>>59444347
don't be silly now the wavefunction collapse isn't understandable. Just observing an objecting doesn't necessitate interacting with it you retard.
>>59434831
AMEN
>>59445196
>conscious has no part in observation, even if they use eyes to represent technical instruments you christian retard.
it has been shown with plenty of other experiments m80 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IafWSyXKOI
you're a poltard though so reason might not be communicable
>>59432437
>>59435051
The thread was all good until you went full aspie.
>>59445649
This senpai
>>59434831
Amen praise Jesus
>>59431666
in a dream state, time has no meaning. You can experience a lifetime of memories in only a few moments.
Likely, his hallucination happened as he was waking up from his coma, and his inability to measure time made it seem displaced.
Or, you know, there's a god that somehow made a universe that doesn't need him to have been formed or function in any way.
>>59446984
Sounds like a full-retard conclusion that has been reached due to a lack of more information
>>59447304
What if this is all a my dream? What if it's not my dream at all, or even yours, but a dream of some one else?
Who's dream is this?
>Tfw you just converted because of this
Hallelujah!
>>59447488
Did you just learn about Zhuangzi?
The fact is that it doesn't matter whether it's a dream, a computer simulation, or real. You live your life the way you see fit and try not to be an asshole.
>>59431666
>some guy gets brain damaged
>believes in god now
Thank you based Satan
I've had a similar experience as him. Not that I was about to die, but someone who had recently passed away that I was very close to was able to communicate with me. I'm not going to say how, but he mentioned Angels/spirits. The guy OP was talking about mentioned he was at peace, but the guy I knew said he wasn't at peace because he left us so suddenly. I feel like upon reading ops little story and knowing mine, it makes me believe it more; with the spirits and being at peace. Sort of crazy, but I'm kinda happy knowing this isn't the end and we will meet again..
>>59434831
AMEN
>it's literally impossible that he made it all up
>>59434831
AMEN
>>59431666
This guy is full of shit. He is just spewing out the same new age garbage from the 60's. People will fall for everything.
>>59434831
Mmm, delicious spam. It's like I'm really on Facebook!
>>59434831
AMEN
>>59434831
amen
>>59434831
AMEN
>59434431
AMEN
>>59434831
AMEN
>>59432391
Check m8
>>59432660
You have a serious mental illness
>>59446984
>Open embed.
>Thumbnail reads: "In principal, quantum theory applies to the large as well as the small."
>Shake my head and close the link.
>>59442959
underrated
>>59434831
AMEN
>>59443235
>You don't understand God, and why would you? Very few people really do.
>>59442959
Quantum mechanics is not a description of reality. It's a description of how we understand what we CAN'T SEE. It does not actually reflect what is going on but rather ways we can predict what is going on without experiencing it directly.
>inb4 scientists proved it's true!
1.) That's now how science works and 2.) Most of QM's predictions haven't been observed, unlike, say for Relativity (which only has one prediction remaining to be observed--Gravity Waves).
>>59450217
>It's a description of how we understand what we CAN'T SEE
So... God.
>>59450340
>Can't see it... it must be God!
So God is the monster in the closet? Do blind people experience God everywhere?
>Jumping to conclusions this hard.
