According to stormfags when did Italians and Greeks turned Non-white?
That doesn't make any sense
>>58984651
Italians where never white. Fuck off
Only Jews say that. Divide and conquer tactics.
>>58984651
I am saddened that a Mexican brings this up and not an Italian.
What's usually brought up though is when the Muslims took over southern Italy from Sicily to Napoles.
>>58984711
Get the fuck out of Italy Ahmed
>>58984711
B-but you are
How can non-whites build such beautiful cars?
>>58984711
Fuck off Jamal.
The SPQR will rise again faggots.
Muslims took Sicily. Northern barbarians settled in Italy when Rome fell . I think they are still white
>>58984780
I am full blooded Italian from the area of Milan for at least 5 generations certified. I don't want to be considered white. Look at how "huur whites are evil oppressors" is becoming more mainstream. Let us be. We are a unique race and want to preserve it. Period
The Moops took over the Mediterranean for a while there and turned all the coastal dwellers into semi egg plant monkeys.
>>58984651
They never did.
There are a lot of jews on this site how enjoy spouting memes on Italians, Greeks, Iberians and Slavs etc are not white.
You're a retard if you fall for the Jewish bullshit about Italians and Greeks being non-white.
>Mexican
That explains it. Build wall.
When you get fucked by Moors for hundreds of years. You don't become white. You become shit.
Italians are shit-skins, nothing more.
They make up shit, easy. Must have learned from someone.
>>58984941
Oh boy we got an SJW type here guys. How does it feel to be so beta?
>>58984857
>>58984863
no. The Italic race isn't white. We are Italic. We don't want to be white and be considered slavers, nazis, racists, xenophobes who need to have their ass culturally enriched by niggers because of white guilt
>>58984941
Castrated cowardly catamite.
>>58984651
Italians are white. As are most North Africans, most Arabs, Iranians, some Pakistan and Slavs. Storm front is just crazy.
>>58984651
Yes, because people never move or miscegenation.
Damn you are one retarded stupid asshole.
we wuz romans
>>58985035
>wants to preserve unique racial traits and not be cucked by white guilt in mainstream media
>Tumblr
kek
>>58985007
see >>58985002, just 3 seconds after, you can't make this shit up
>>58984941
this
north italy is white for certain, greecr and the balkans are turk rape babbies
>>58985040
Nigger you guys invented the political movement that was Fascism. You cannot distance yourself from that.
>>58985048
>As are most North Africans, most Arabs, Iranians, some Pakistan
You're no better than the people saying Italians are not white.
>>58985042
>Castrated
>cowardly
>because I stand up for my people
ok
They never were white in our sense.
They despised that actually, greeks and romans considered the pale north people to be barbarians and sub humans
Aristotle (maybe plato?) alwayd says that the pale races have alot of spirit but cant into civilization for dick
>>58985130
only bosniaks and albanians are turk rape babies
also south italy isnt white
>>58985163
Yes, and fascism was hijacked by nazism. As much as 70% of Italian jews where members of the Partito Nazionale Fascista before Hitler forced Mussolini to implement racial laws, so we weren't even antisemitic
>>58984651
i am somewhat of a strormfag i think? I am armenian and baltic finn in ancestry, every single person on this planet would call me white.
armenians are the original Caucasians and we're obviously very closely related to both greeks and italians.
Maybe stormfags just want to be arayan?
I just see arayan as the epitome of german traits, not the epitome of human traits
>>58984651
>white is a race
i don't get this meme, they are both indo-europeans but they are very different than northern europeans. its like calling iranians white
also most turkified greeks moved to anatolia during the exchange after the independence war, greeks living in greece are just as greek as they were a few thousand years ago
>>58985300
Evola's concept of race and judaism was liked though, although its was pretty different from the biological reductionist racism of nazists.
>>58985319
It's mostly new worlders who spout this bullshit, most likely because their ancestors left their ancestral homelands a long time ago. They left behind the idea of ethnicity, culture and race which has now caused them to know only of these things from books they've read regarding World War 2. This makes them think aryan blue eyed and blonde are the traits of white people and other traits are therefor not white.
It's stupidity. It is American.
>>58985446
there's no getting away from the jews grasp, they want you and will have you one way or the other.
>>58985446
Absolutely. Still I don't want mainstream media to start pushing "huur le evil fascists! That's why you need refugees! Filthy white supremacists!" down our gullets
That doesn't make any sense
neither does white trash
>>58984711
>>58984941
This Italianon knows what's up. I feel the same way. Fuck Anglo race identity politics shenanigans.
Since Nordicism. All Southern Europeans have been non-white for over a century now. It's not the Jews who propagated this idea, it's mostly Anglos/Germanics like Madison Grant and Arthur Kemp.
Which is fine by me because I'd rather not be associated with cucks like Germans, Swedes, Dutchmen, and Englishmen.
>>58984651
All full italians are white. They have big noses in the south because the mediterranean climate has more dust than up there in krautland
Selection naturelle.
>>58985685
Again, the stance of the fascist government was that of dissociating us from the idea of an "aryan Germanic race". We were cucked into accepting it in the end unfortunately.
I don't want this to be an excuse to force refugees down our throat
>>58985542
Yeah but it's a way of thinking and acting according to Evola, not genetic.
>"Evola attributed to Jews, as well as to what he termed the "semitic spirit,"[55] a corrosive effect on the "Nordic" race (a race that was, in Evola's mythology, analogous to the Nazi's "Aryans"). Evola argued that not only Jews, but even non-Jews "Judaicized in their souls" must be combated by a "coherent, complete, impartial" anti-Semitism given the means to "identify and combat the Jewish mentality."[56] Evola supported the Nazi anti-Semitic view that there was a hidden form of Jewish power and influence in the modern world; he thought this Jewish power was a symptom of the "modern" world's lack of true aristocratic leadership. To some Evola was "to the right of Fascism", although he remained a non-combatant theorist, he was identified with "Mediterranean nationalist" scholars who believed Jewishness and Italians were incompatible.[57] Evola further held that Jewish people denigrated lofty "Aryan" ideals (of faith, loyalty, courage, devotion, and constancy) through a "corrosive irony" that ascribed every human activity to economic or sexual motives (à la Marx and Freud).[58] In a 1938 article Evola accused Sigmund Freud, Karl Marx, and Cesare Lombroso of being "proponents of Jewish materialistic culture in the nineteenth century;[59] two years later, in an essay entitled "Jews and Mathematics," Evola characterized Judaism as the antithesis of "Aryan civilization," and broadly attacked a range of what he considered examples of Jewish influences, from Pythagoreanism to mathematics.[59] The article was illustrated with pictures of notable Jews interspersed with classic anti-Semitic representations".
>>58985750
Alberto knows what's up
>>58985870
then tell them that and that's it, you have no need to attack nsdap or Germany in the 30s.
>>58985915
it's racial my friend.
>>58985952
Not attacking the NSDAP. It was appropriate for Germany at the time to have such a government. I just don't want us dragged into the whole white oppressor thing
>>58985040
>don't want to be considered slavers
>slavers
>Rome
>no slaves
>>58986240
>jews
>no slaves
>blacks
>no slaves
>>58986240
That's too far in the past for SJWs to attack us, the memory of the Brits and Americans is still brighter.
>>58986240
niggers don't remember that. Only slavery by the oh so evil white jew erhm Americans. Let's keep it that way
>>58986240
The difference is that the Romans didn't have an exclusively black slave trade, so bringing it up is of little use to SJWs.
>>58986416
jews can't work with non visible past actions, it holds no psychological affect.
>>58984651
>stormfags
>relevant
Top kek mate
>>58986484
why is an exclusively black slave trade a problem? race doesn't exist.
>>58984651
No, its that the original inhabitants of greece and italy were originally non white and the Mycenaean and the latins or the invading indo european groups were, they became less white over time.
Btw, studies on ancient greece have shown that the greeks from 3000 bc are not closely related to the modern people of the area but this is of course before their golden age anyway
>>58984711
Boldrini detected
>>58985040
Actually you are smart.
>>58984651
italians are like weak-sauce nazis
wops
all the nazi of germany, none of the production or economics
that's why italian women, more than any other country, except latvia, fuck foreigners.
>>58985040
youre a fucking disgrace.
way to label us all.
and we are mixed with black and white (mostly white)
do you not have that italian blood in you to fight back and help your brothers?
you must not be from sicily.
youre afraid to be judged for how you feel about things.
your girls ass is being culturally enriched right now!
>>58986589
There's no sense trying to question me about the stupidity of SJWs. I don't understand it, either.
>>58985167
>>Italians are white. As are most North Africans, most Arabs, Iranians, some Pakistan and Slavs. Storm front is just crazy.
People confuse race (e.g., caucasoid) with Anglo-identity politics (e.g., white). Switch out 'white' for 'caucasoid' and he'd be correct. I kind of hope "whiteness" falls by the wayside like leftists want because it really doesn't make any sense. There are Middle Easterners, Persians, etc. "whiter" than me but supposedly aren't considered white. It's dumb.
>>58987192
He's completely right, though. Pan-Europeanism and especially pan-European nationalism is an extremely recent contrivance.
Rome was a multicultural paradise, why cant you racists just get with the times and stop hating, I mean its 2015.
>>58984711
>Italians where never white. Fuck off
>>58984651
Stormfag here, most greeks and italians are white. You can tell by looking at them , 10% or so of Greeks are anatolian refugees from WW1, and maybe 20% of sicilians seem to have some questionable ancestry but that's it. North Italians look about the same as Dutch, Belgians, or Swiss due to all the Germanic admixture from the Langobards/Lombards (who gave "Lombardy" it's name).
Likewise, Spaniards are almost all white, they ethnically cleansed the muslims and jews during the Spanish inquisition and actually issued "limpieza de sangre" certificates to verified white spaniards throughout the renaissance and early modern period.
>>58987192
I will fight back for my people, not for a "white race" that is so willing to kill itself and then label me racist
>>58984943
IT'S MOORS
>>58987486
this as well, italy may be of poor performance but of spirit they live.
I'll probably have to move to Bologna next year for work related reasons. Can anyone redpill me about this place?
I'm talking: how left/right wing is this city?
How many shitskins?
Beautiful women?
>>58984651
When the Moors fuck you for several hundred years.
I'm just glad I have ivory pale skin despite having Sicilian blood myself.
>>58987868
Bologna is basically the commie capital of Italy.
Many foreigners as well, but afaik there aren't major security issues.
>>58984651
Italian here: we are not "white", we are Italic, and even we belong to different groups; I'm half venetian half ligurian, and I look mostly venetian.
>>58984746
Sod off; as soon as "da joos" will leave, you'd call us again wops, dagos, etc...you accepted us as "white" only recently. Well, just call us wops in our faces, do not pull this leftist bullshit of saying "we're all the same" whilst hating us for being different from you- I rather be openly hated than having you "whites" pretend we are part of your race.
>>58984857
And so? We have decent skills on our own, we don't need to belong to a special racial club to feel validated.
>>58984863
No, my orthodox brother: it's too late for that. Who revels in the past is gonna fade into it.
I just wish your criminals didn't flood my Country: the true Romanians I met here are good folks.
>>58984933
We share nothing with the so called "white people"; we are Mediterranean folks, and most of all Italic tribes.
>>58984941
Ben detto!
>>58984995
No no no, and let me tell why this is bullshit: if not for your hate of jews, you'd call us pastaniggers and God knows how much deep inside your heart you don't even want to see us. keep your lies for your own bullshit, leave us alone.
>>58984711
Get fucked. They were white, just look at their art and read their literature and the descriptions of their emperors. Nobody wants you in Europe, go home parasite.
>>58987428
>North Italians look about the same as Dutch, Belgians, or Swiss due to all the Germanic admixture from the Langobards/Lombards
this is another meme as well
the genetic input in the north from those people was minimal as well, the reason why the north is whiter looking and with more blonde/blue eyed people is because it was colonized by celtic-like people in pre-roman times, unlike the south which was colonized by greeks and other more anatolian-like people
the north-south divide is due to very ancient colonizers, with minor input post Roman times
funnily enough, the biggest germanic input was left in Sicily, as you can find a very misplaced concentration of I1 Y-Dna around Palermo.
>>58985300
>>58985446
meno male un Italiano che la vede come me...combatti la buona battaglia, fratello! Per me è troppo tardi, spero che per quelli come te ci sia speranza!
I don't think any of them have actually met a real Greek or Italian.
They are slightly darker whites and that's it. They still have blue eyes and brown hair even.
>>58988261
That's you trying to ride on Roman coattails by claiming some racial relation to them.
>>58984711
italian here
Fuck off kike.
italians have always been and still are totally white.
Identical to germans and nords? Of course not, but totally white.
Autosomal DNA testing prooves this, just as it does with greeks.
Not to mention the fact that italy is tied for the highest IQ in europe and has always been a great innovator in european culture throughout all of history (not just the roman period.)
>>58984941
>he thinks being caucasian means you're german or english
Superb autism. You're white, like it or not guido.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3yon2GyoiM
>>58985002
autosomal dna shows us moors left no genetic footprint in sicily and history shows us they were a tiny minority ruling elite.
>>58985400
iranians are mixed indo european.
Italians are not.
>>58985079
You're not using that meme right.
>>58985988
"Race? It is a feeling, not a reality. Ninety-five per cent, at least. Nothing will ever make me believe that biologically pure races can be shown to exist today.… National pride has no need of the delirium of race." Benito Mussolini
>>58988113
>Bologna is basically the commie capital of Italy.
For fucks sake, thanks for the advice anyways.
>>58985002
They were also conquered by the Normans man. Italians are white. And currently the coolest country in Western Europe
>>58987428
>most
Being caucasian does not mean you automatically have white skin and straight hair.
the darker features of italians in the south are due to ancient greek colonization and near easter caucasian dna (essentially what most people refer to as Mediterranean)
Today the near east is a shithole because it's 10 percent subsaharan african, but in earlier times it was totally Caucasian, and sprang up great empires like that of carthage, babylon, mesopotamia, assyria, etc.
In short, genetically we're not the same as north europeans, but we're still extremely successful and white, even with olive colored skin.
actual Italian here, not an "murrican Italian"...we don't want to be related in ANY way to the idea of "white people". European? Okay, I could understand that, but we don't want to belong in the banana-tier club which is the "white race".
Glad to see many of our imbeciles left the Country and are now on the other side of the ocean.
>>58985079
>doesn't realized all of rome's slaves were localized.
Autist detected.
Italy is black you crackas
>>58984651
When this happened.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsQrKZcYtqg
>>58985002
It is true that the more you go south, the more sw-asian admixture you find(which is commonly the cluster of arabs/semites), but most of it is old as well(Phoenicians for one settled in Sicily).
Besides, that's not what gives the dark features of eyes and hair colour, Sardinians for instance have less blonde/blue eyed people on average than Sicily.
>>58989283
pure African blood runs through Italian veins.
>>58989181
speak for yourself, cuck.
Stand up for your race and people.
>>58989323
as you can see all Italians are in the top left hand corner.
>>58985048
North Niggers,Arabs and definetly fucking Arabs are not white
>>58984651
its simple
refugees.
>>58984651
After the Mors and Ottomen raped them for 400 years.
>>58989301
the arab ethnic group immigrated later to the near east. What you're referring to is J2 caucasoidal dna.
Again the near east and north africa was all originally caucasian for a time.
>>58989408
That means less asian and more mediterranean really, it's a PCA in two components, the first one being the well known north-south gradient and the second one being the west-east cline.
>>58989425
They aren't, but they used to be in ancient times.
>>58988177
Pastabro, Anglo-identity in the U.S. has been dead since the 80s. Every "White" American is now a mutt of ethnicities of Europe. Any one that's white now claims to be 1/4 Italian.
If we ever get a nationalist movement; it will be pan-European rather than Nordic oriented.
>>58984651
because they're just as white as arabs and jews are.
Face it white people have no culture, no culture other than what non-white force upon you.
The destiny of the whiteman is to be invaded by non-whites, and made to propagate their ideals, believing them to be his own.
the romans did it, the greeks did it, the jews did it, now its time for the arabs to do it again
>>58989546
Italy is African you racist ass cracka
>>58989658
>he thinks being white means you're automatically nordic
Nice meme.
>>58989529
J2 is just Y-Dna and indeed is Greco-Anatolian while J1 is the arab one, but admixture analysis takes into consideration more than just Y-dna.
>>58989345
that's why my family stayed and did not run away. Don't worry, unlike you I'll go back to Italy...and I maybe get married with a true Italian girl.
...and you are the cuckold here, speaking in the name of someone you don't even belong to anymore.
>>58984651
Italians just have big dicks, that doesn't make them black.
>>58984651
Sicilians aren't, but northern italy is white. Why do you think the mafia originated from Sicily? They have more negroid genes it seems and they're more violent on avg.
>>58988478
>Italian here
>Muh Hurrtage
Dude get lost.
>>58989546
west asian is a geographical label, in this case not racial.
They're referring to Mediterranean caucasian dna that still strongly represents itself in southwest asia.
>>58984651
Caucasian is the definition of white, though biologically speaking there have been many changes, the position of the Italian peninsula makes it the port of Europe, many different civilizations passed by and the region suffered some cultural enrichment in the process, similar to what's happening in Sweden right now but on a lower scale and in the course of several centuries.
>>58989727
I don't mang, I probably shouldn't have quoted "white". It's just I'm reminded of this mixed woman claiming to be Italian.
>>58989867
In admixture analysis indeed it's just a name, and indeed it's more representative of countries like Georgia.
It's the south-west component which is more interesting I think.
>>58989742
I'm aware, but J2 also acts as a market to denote the near eastern caucasian genome that I refer to.
The highest amount of J carriers is found in the north caucuses amongst the chechen and ingush people: hence it being caucasian.
>>58989839
>projecting anger at the fact that he doesn't have or know his heritage
Topkek
Why do you hate the concept of cultural and racial identity so much, kike?
>>58989633
Arabs were never white they are the original Sand Niggers that raped women in the Middle East.
What you said goes for Iranians.
Italians are not white. Know how I can prove it?
I have blonde hair and blue eyes. My wife also has blonde hair and blue eyes. Our children have blonde hair and blue eyes. We are white, of French, German, and Swedish background.
We are white.
If our daughter brought home some nigtalian mongrel with brown hair and brown eyes, I don't care what color his skin is, my biology and my wife's biology know that this is tainting our family line.
Just ask yourself: what characteristics dominate the wallpaper sites for best-rated / most-downloaded?
It's always white women, that is, women with blue eyes, and usually blonde hair.
Everything else is a tainted downgrade. And Italians by and large are not white. The ones that are white aren't really Italians, but displaced aryans.
>>58990286
hey that's rude I'm actually white you know pic related its me
>>58990286
>you're not white if you're not nordic meme
Nice proof pseudointellectualist. Most caucasians don't have blonde hair or blue eyes. And most people from the caucuses don't either.
>>58990233
the middle east was never originally arab, and this is what you fail to understand. Arabs were an invading force. Learn your history.
phonecians, cathegenians, numidians, baylonians, mesopotamians etc
None of these people were arab.
>>58990286
Nice flag and nicer location desu
I agree though frenchies are largely brown eyed and dark haired, western germans are very swarthy too and swedes are cucks
None of this groups i would classify as really white, though certainly whiter than spicitalians or spaconiards
>>58990010
*marker
>>58990560
>most
Yeah, because a lot of damage has been done, through wars and race mixing. Europeans were always a world minority, and even now true Europeans - that is, white Europeans with white features - are even more rare.
Look, if you have brown hair and brown eyes, you should just proudly identify as something else. Start a name for yourself. But don't call yourself white.
You aren't white.
>>58990286
R A R E
A
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>>58990560
Jews were always remarkably light too. I imagine cartaghinians didn´t look too different from them back in the day
>>58990796
There has literally been no race mixing of any historic scale in europe at any point in history until recently.
Being white is defined by being of caucasian heritage as are the people of europe.
If you actually go to the caucuses where the Caucasian genome is still strongly shown everyone has dark hair and dark eyes.
Blondism and having blue eyes is a mutation of the nordic genome. If you honestly think otherwise you're autistic.
Nice flag, btw, nigger.
Blondism and blue eyes aren't even uncommon in southern europe, regardless.
>>58990933
Ba'al and Yahweh are like brothers.
>>58990560
Are you retarded ?
You are just proving my point. Arabs are not white ans were never white.
Phoenicians don't exist anymore due to Arabs.
>>58991088
he is just trolling m8
(or so i hope,but you never know with stormfags)
>>58990933
Genetically they were roughly the same.
People are far to ignorant on the racial shift of the prosperous civilizations and genomes of north africa and the near east.
King tut had a west european paternal haplogroup. Hannibal was white, and he invaded italy with iberians, etc.
The introduction of subsahran african dna to north africa and the middle east came much later.
>>58990796
Depends on what you mean by "white". Basques are more pure Europeans than Baltics, yet they are mostly brown eyed/haired.
Not only that, but blondism has been selected relatively recently in north Europe as well. Few thousands years ago, Scandinavians were mostly brown eyed/haired.
>>58991244
Spain caught me. I'm actually a white female coalburner on vacation with my dark sugar daddy.
We're wearing condoms though so there'll be no shitspawns. I'm going back home to my white husband in a week.
>>58991221
I assumed you meant the entire region was always arabic, which would be incorrect.
I suppose I misunderstood your implications.
>>58991244
I'm aware, but stupid people actually read this shit and take it to heart.
He's obviously just a nigger trying to pretend to be a nazi with downs syndrome.
A lot of people in this thread seem to genuinely believe nords are the only whites, sadly enough, though.
>>58991502
RARE
>>58991502
hot
>>58991310
I'm trolling. I don't buy into biological materialism. Vitality of racial groups is real though, but people of walmart pretty much disproves any theories that whites are still "master race"; either they've just degenerated on their own, or their degeneration has been accelerated by superior groups influencing them into oblivion.
You can find countless "whites" nowadays to disprove any theories of white supremacy. I'm not talking about talking like niggers, I'm talking about how whites are just fucking fat slobs who dress like shit and act meek and timid.
They have not a shred of masterly character left in them. Just look at them all, mawkishly prattling over democratic politics, trying to squirm around the liberal status quo to keep their jobs.
Fucking cuck race in reality.
>>58984941
the niggers and mudslimes are going to kill you for being "white" no matter what you call yourself
whiteness is a uniform you can't take off
>>58991774
F A G F L A G
>>58984651
After the Islamic conquests, the reconquista, etc.
Read some fucking history, spic.
>>58992820
true, true...but we are still not white.
>>58993161
>battles
there's your problem, my ancestors removed some serious sea kebab, only Sicily fell
>>58991774
> whites conquered the world
> meek cuck race
This is what we call a "sampling error". On a long enough timeline, you can convince yourself of anthropogenic global warming. Give them time; they spent more of their existence being the scourge of the world. A bad egg generation here and there doesn't outweigh the centuries and centuries of being demons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-Yszp3SmxE
>>58993525
Sicily was always shit, even when Rome was Rome.
>>58984651
>according to stormfags
Uh, no. The main people promulgating this divisive, petty nonsense are Jews/people with an agenda.
>Irish
>White
>Spanish
>White
>Portuguese
>White
>etc.
I've just about seen it all. This is a classic "divide and conquer" tactic.
>>58993547
And are whites recovering from what has at this point turned into centuries of dominance by kike banking?
Well?
Your little "burst of flame" third reich was hardly shit, and it was stamped out by the minion "white" golemn automaton servants of the Jews.
It's almost embarrassing to identify as white considering how more than half of your race literally became cucks that bombed their ancestral homeland (Europe) into oblivion.
Tell me: what do you think of "whites" after they completely fucking leveled Dresden without a second thought? Hmm? Were those 'whites' flying those planes bombing the shit out of Europe day and night, just "a few bad eggs here and there?"
You're a fucking moron if you think white haven't been thoroughly poisoned for a long time.
The Third Reich - and not even the Third Reich, but just the leadership by itself - was an exception, not the rule. Most whites are fucking retards that legitimately want equality, which is probably why BBC porn is so big right now. They feel closer to true equality when they see their women fucking niggers.
>>58993547
Dem feels.
Great video man, thanks for sharing.
