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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWZifSXlzlI
Christfags on suicide watch. Relitards B T F O. H*ly f*cking sh*t.
If you STILL believe in a god after this video you need to KILL YOURSELF
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWZifSXlzlI
>inb4 fedoras instead of actually trying to debunk this video
>>58826985
i'm sure you'll be just as happy for jews to stop being jewish
>>58826985
God exists but you can keep searching for videos to justify being in denial
Bump for the true redpill.
>>58826985
you've opened my eyes, senpai
>>58826985
It's easy to see there's a God, during our lives, many of us see this thing I will mention, happens to many people before dying, maybe after a scare, to feel the impulse to clear your conscience. Everytime I mention this, some liar comes and says it does not happen, so before I keep going, I will mention that this is a trope in every movie, every book, every tv series, every song, every whatever in any culture that you pick; pop culture touches topics that we can relate to, things we live, so whomever wants to deny this, should explain why is this such a familiar thing. How do people go about cleaning their consciences? They invariably do always the same: good deeds to others.
There's only one God that pardons sin this way and that rewards it handsomely.
Message of Christ: Enter heaven, for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was naked and you clothed me, whatever you did for the needy, to me you did.
>>58826985
>H*ly f*cking sh*t.
back to Leddit with you
>>58826985
Holy shit I thought atheists were supposed to be smart. AT LEAST FUCKING USE HUMAN VOICES FOR THE FUCKING VIDEO YOU LITERAL ASPIE.
>>58827334
>>58827740
>>58827782
>>58827793
Buttblasted christfags that can't deal with the fact that their entire life until now has been a lie.
>>58828032
Sure m9
Refute my words
>>58826985
At last, I finally see
>>58826985
>/his/
>>58827782
TL;DR version
>people get scared/worried
>people of different backgrounds and cultures
>all have need to clear conscience
>all do same universal thing to clear it
>only one religion has this as a method for doing it
*Ding*
>>58828541
Hello dear fedora: give me the exact paragraph of the bible that forbids masturbation
Why do we still care about this?
>>58828770
Yeah, I already proved there's a God, why are atheists still allowed in here?
>>58826985
When they go through the universe, it actually strengthens my faith. Science explains HOW, but never WHY.
If you are nihilist enough to claim that you have the answer and there is no WHY, why don't you commit suicide?
God revealed himself progressively, pedagogically, and the world changed more in 2,000 years thanks to the Christ than in 40,000 years of human history. You may not believe he was the son of god, but even science and history admit he was an extraordinary individual.
>>58828808
>posting atheist pics after unrrefuted proof for God
Is this the fedoraposting of atheists?
>Dude the only religion is Christianity
>>58828611
Doesn't matter, you can replace masturbate with anything you consider to be a bad thing prohibited by your faith and it would be just as absurd to think that any given deity powerful enough to create the entire universe would actually care about it.
Or care about our existence at all as a matter of fact.
Theism in general is barely disguised narcissism and christian theism doesn't even have the decency to make it's deity interesting like the polytheist deities of old were.
>>58826985
>god is a fuck-up
This is a compelling argument.
If there is a god, and it made us, a bunch of fuck-ups, in its image, then god may be a fuck-up itself.
Perhaps this whole universe is an aborted attempt at greatness by an inexperienced and naive creator.
>>58828846
>the world changed more in 2,000 years thanks to the Christ than in 40,000 years of human history.
>thanks to the Christ
>>58828928
Refute this
>>58827782
>>58828884
Those are directed at OP, sport.
>god doesnt exist because he didn't make his world just the way he wants it to end up :^)
ebin argument OP
Funny guy
>>58826985
>dedicating 14 minutes to this
come on man...
>>58828884
>unrrefuted proof for God
You just said a bunch of mindblowingly retarded shit. You're honestly making me lose my faith knowing that this is the inteligence of a religious person. Also do you believe muslims are going to heaven, or buddhists, or hindu, etc?
>>58828964
Under roman domination, people used to watch others fight until death. Christianity was the first to ban slavery. Christian monks saved the books and perpetuated writing after the barbarian invasions of the Roman Empire. Renaissance took place in highly christian kingdoms. Shall I continue?
>>58829002
It is called being a weak faggot.
I'd rather pretend I'm Christian--known for good values--rather than be associated with you kissless fedora virgins sperging out on atheism.
>>58829124
These 14 minutes might save a lot of people spending a liftetime worshipping an imaginary sky daddy and living in fear.
>>58829199
>Hello, I do not know how to answer, so I will call you a retard and expect somebody to say "yeah".
>>58829272
What? Awnser the question retard.
>>58829232
The big bang theory was created by a Catholic priest.
>>58829227
>caring about fitting in
How is highschool treating you?
>>58826985
>Atheists attacking Christians again because it's easy
Christianity is already dying out in the West, what more do you want?
>>58826985
I've experienced things you would never understand.
>>58829202
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_views_on_slavery
>Slavery in various forms has been a part of the social environment for much of Christianity's history, spanning well over eighteen centuries
>In the early years of Christianity, slavery was a normal feature of the economy and society in the Roman Empire, and this persisted in different forms and with regional differences well into the Middle Ages.
> Most Christian figures in that early period such as Saint Augustine, accepted slavery as an inevitability whereas some, such as Saint Patrick (a former slave), were opposed to it. Generally speaking, up until the 18th century Christianity accepted the reality of slavery, but had no public opinion for or against it.
>>58829366
>seeing fat people at walmart on fat scooters
>instantly believe in Satan
KEK
>>58826985
To anyone who doesn't want to watch this pseudo-intellectual atheist youtube celebrities' cartoon, the argument it's putting forth is basically just 'Schellenberg's hiddenness argument"
it goes:
p1: If there is a God, he is perfectly loving.
p2: If a perfectly loving God exists, reasonable nonbelief does not occur.
p3: Reasonable nonbelief occurs.
p4: No perfectly loving God exists (from 2 and 3).
c: Hence, there is no God (from 1 and 4).
>>58826985
pretty cool video if you ask me senpaitachi
>>58829366
>I had hallucinations
>>58829324
I don't have the nicety to answer the questions of people that aren't capable to answer to my things that were there first.
If you are smarter than a dog, prove it by refuting my point instead of barking at me with insults.
If you aren't smarter than a dog, then don't waste my time.
I do not say this to insult you, I say this so you lose this thing you have going on to believe yourself smart for calling others retarded.
We are about to see how smart you really are.
>>58829469
Your point got refuted every time that you post it in one of these shitty threads. Every time you ignore it. I feel pity for you.
>>58827782
>>58829272
So your prof that a christian God exists is because when people are scared they have an impulse to clear their mind? Do I really need to explain why this is stupid. I really want to believe you're trolling. Poe's fucking law.
>>58826985
Why are those videos always posted by Netherlands?
And why does OP always talk like a retard?
>>58826985
>immaterial reality must be proved materially
Your only option is to ignore this post.
>>58829429
P2 -> P3 is a non sequitur. Completely unrelated, unsound logic.
>>58826985
Good evening, Reddit!
>>58829548
>clear their mind
conscience =/= mind.
You keep barking
>>58829231
Why do you hate religion so much? Do you have any answer for the why? Do you think your ancestors were ALL retarded and were wrong believing in god?
Why don't you commit suicide if there is no WHY? Life is worthless, pointless, absurd, then.
Chrisitanity isn't against science, and has never been.
Can't believe I actually watched that video. Sure it's a nice little thought exercise with a few pleasant talking points. But it's still trying to consider a non-dualistic eternal supreme consciousness from the perspective of duality, limitation, probability and imperfection.
I'm sorry but watching an atheists 14 minute cartoon trying to rebuke the omnipresent nature of God is not going to have me betray my highest experience, my most valued moment and my most believable treasure.
Following God without experiencing God is something I will not understand and trying to disprove something that one has no experience with is even less comprehensible to me.
Enjoy the wonders of the works and neither agree nor disagree with deists but have faith that you will be fortunate enough to fulfill the desire to be certain.
True certainty can only be brought about by direct experience of the Source. Anything else is uninformed guesswork and hopeful analysis.
>>58829646
>conscience =/= mind.
L m a o
>end of 2015
>still believing in a soul/whatever
>>58829730
p.s the Abrahamic story is a very curious tale that has gained a lot of unintended importance. It is foolish to believe in these fairy tales, but they do point to some truth if you were to read between the lines.
>Too stupid to understand science
>Copernicus, Galieo, Kepler, Einstien, Newton
>>58829788
Still not smarter than a dog
>>58829718
>Do you think your ancestors were ALL retarded and were wrong believing in god?
Should this even be questioned? Most people alive today are still fucking retarded.
>>58829391
What other civilisations banned slavery before christian? NONE. Thanks.
>>58829852
This one keeps barking too, but he does not refute my point.
Not smarter than a dog, and barks insults.
>>58829823
Keeping praying to your non-existent sky padre, Pedro.
>>58829646
Wtf are you talking about man. If you don't give me clear answers i'm just going to assume troll and leave.
>Because I want to clear my consience(witch is not my mind for some reson),God exists
>You keep barking
Also, seriously, do people of other religions go to heaven in your opinon, your answer will really tell me what kind of person you are.
>>58829823
>I don't know what to say so i'll call you a dog.
Thats some 6th grade level shit
>>58826985
There are billion things wrong with the video.
It's clear out that the created never studied the Christian dogma on its roots.
He's just butt hurt and assumes God is evil and torment people for not accepting Jesus Christ verbally.
Everything from the reason why people suffer and why death exist is explained and revealed throughout dogma and both Orthodox and Catholics share 90% of it...
God is not a man, we're made in His image not by physical shape but rather our consciousness is in His image - with the possibility to evolve to infinite potential.
But why does it matter anyway, If someone is genuinely interested he' going to research.. if someone is butthurt he's going to cry and shitpost... And after all I'm happy with my religion and hopefully everyone else is happy with theirs.
>>58829629
you wot m8? P2->P2.2 might MAYBE be considered a non sequitur. P2->P3 makes perfect sense if you accept P2.
>>58829730
That's a longwinded way of stating:
"I had a life changing experience, attributed it to a presence I call 'God' and now nobody can change my mind regardless because it 'feels' right."
>direct experience of the Source
D
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>>58829941
I don't mean any offence to you but it is disheartening to see one with a belief in God arguing like this. You won't convince him, you have nothing to gain, when you insult him you insult yourself. Peace brother, walk your highest path.
>>58829909
>221-206 BC: The Qin Dynasty's measures to eliminate the landowning aristocracy include the abolition of slavery and the establishment of a free peasantry who owed taxes and labor to the state.
>17: Wang Mang, first and only emperor of the Xin Dynasty, usurped the Chinese throne and instituted a series of sweeping reforms, including the abolition of slavery and radical land reform
>etc etc
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abolition_of_slavery_timeline
b t f o frog
>>58829718
Life is fun, Christianity has always tried to keep science down. Science dindu nuffin, he was just going to church, he was a good boy. But da evil white church was always trying to catch him ridin dirty! Fuck DAT shiet.
No really, nobody hates religion except fedora tippers. Religion is just fucking retarded so people make fun of it. If you cannot take the banter go to reddit.
Life has a lot of meaning without any religion. If religion is the only meaning in your life your life must be fucking pathetic.
>>58829951
It's not as if you have ben able to refute my demonstration.
>>58829974
>give me clear answers
I don't owe you shit for answers, I'm the one who asked first and I'm entitled to be answered first.
And since you haven't been able to disprove my words, I dare say you're still not smarter than a dog.
>>58830046
I'm not insulting him, I'm telling him he's not smarter than a dog because the only thing he's doing is barking at my arguments with insults.
I want him to try and show us that intelligence he was pressuming of
Real sorry here, but I prefer to have him comfront his words.
>>58826985
When are the atheist+ evangelists gonna give up on trying to convert us to their dildo cult, is what I want to know.
>>58829983
>God is not a man, we're made in His image not by physical shape but rather our consciousness is in His image - with the possibility to evolve to infinite potential.
It's all cute and stuff until you realise consciousness is merely a neurological effect.
Atheist here.
The video starts right off the bat with a strawman about God's intentions.
4/10 for special effects.
>>58826985
In reality it's the other way around...
You know the science and theories constantly change right? God is pretty consistent..
>>58830031
Fair enough. I still stand by what I said and if the only way you can describe it as "because it feels right" then I feel a tinge of sorrow for you. What is life other than what the subjective observer feels? What is the point in all of these discoveries, colours, ideas, emotions, information etc. other than feels?
It's all about the feels, it always has been about the feels. Faith leads to knowledge.
I still fail to see any evidence for a god.
>>58830341
You sound like a SJW leftist. muh feels muh mudslimes muh wimmins rights, muh abortion is OK, muh guns are EBIL...do you see?
>>58830305
That is an argument in favour of Science you smarty pants.
>>58830305
>being consistently 100% wrong is better than minutely changing a model to make it adhere reality
>being 10 inches away from something is the same as being 10 miles away from it
>>58830178
If you don't answer than it's hard to keep this discussion going, and you're obviouslly afraid to answer because you know it won't make any sense and i will call you out on it.
Ãlso I did give you an answer. Wanting to clear your mind is not a prof that God exits, emocional reactions to traumatic situations happen all the time. Also you say that people who tell you they don't want to clear their minds after a shock are liers when you can't possibly know that. It just shows how close minded you are to information that contradicts what you believe in.
>>58826985
Gods world is perfectly just only a nigger cannot see.
Life looks unfair from human imperfect senses.
Bible is inspired by God, but written in human language so open to misinterpretation by people
Underneath it there is a true word of God written in divine language.
God planned everything and world is perfectly just. Humans don't see it but God knows.
God is there and he knows how world works. He is not playing hide and seek.
CIA niggers closed their eyes and started counting to infinity.
/gd/ here
Merry Christmas
>>58826985
Dark Matter, you already have enough views.
>>58830273
Neurology is a concept introduced by consciousness to help describe itself. It's allegorical, consciousness can never be fully grasped because it is a dog chasing its own tail. The microscope will always find something smaller as it becomes more powerful, there is no end to material conception. The base of the matter lies within.
>>58830178
Being afraid of death is a mostly religious trait. You being afraid of death and seeking absolution proves you being afraid of death and trying to rationalize it as you cannot fathom a giant black VOID with nothing in it. You are mentally weak so you construct a last resort, safe haven, etc where you will go when you die. Mentally strong people have no need for such things.
>>58830471
Grammar mistakes but whatever.
>>58827782
So god exists because our species are social...?
I've heard some shit arguments but this..
>>58830480
>God planned everything
>Couldn't plan it right to get his words written down without error
kek
>>58829983
I'm looking for something in this post that actually makes a point and isn't just a desperate argument to ignorance.
I'm not finding it.
The Earth is flat, round earth supported globalism.
Atheists BTFO
>>58830480
>that serb poster that always mentions the CIA
>>58826985
Good thing that most people who follow science don't understand it either.
>>58830424
You didn't comprehend what I am meaning to convey. Maybe I explained myself badly.
The desire to find an objectively advantageous way for example you would say "no refugees, open gun laws, closed borders, no homosexuality" or whatever the dream you envision is. You have those desires because you wish to live in a world of perfection, why do you want that? To feel good. It's all about the feels, the right wingers even moreso than the left perhaps.
Most people look back and try to emulate the past because that's when they felt the best.
>>58830305
my shit is also pretty consistent
>>58830046
I have the feeling you don't have good intentions at all. I'm re-analyzing the whole conversation and it went like this.
>I come and make my argument
>BR comes and pretends he's smart by shit-talking me
>I dare him to prove his words
>I say: If you are smarter than a dog you will prove me wrong, if you aren't smarter than a dog do not talk to me, prove that you are smarter than a dog by refuting my words instead of barking insults at me like a dog.
>I DO NOT SAY THIS TO INSULT YOU, and I make this clear in my post
>but so you don't keep being insulting
And somehow you are saddened?
>>58830471
You are the one that must answer, my point remains, you haven't refuted it, I don't owe you shit, what are you going about.
>wanting to clear your mind
I said conscience
And I mentioned a specific way that everybody in every culture uses, even if no religion is had
And this one that everybody uses? oh, how peculiar, its the only way a certain God forgives.
So yeah...
>>58830571
>don't give a shit about people
>shit your pants
>help the needy
>he's just being social!
Intellectual, pls
>>58830071
Are you kidding me? 20 years in Chinese history?
I'm speaking about civilisation, not a decade. If you read the very page you posted, it's clear that Christians were the first evoluted societies, and first to ban slavery for long periods.
But centuries of faith mean nothing, do they?
>>58826985
>>58827334
I am now autistic
lol jk. I don't believe in bible, but I do beleive in some holy books
it would be foolish as fuck for you to think that you can't take any informaiton from a book and apply it to life. And that that information can help you spiritually. And that spirituality has no value.
>>58830341
>the only way
No, it's my "subjective" take on your vagaries. You provided nothing concrete then, as luck would have it, justify it by dismissing objectivity. By that account, it's not truly possible for anyone to know anything (including even assuming anything is God, as it would just be a "feeling"). Red is red, blue is blue, they don't become anything other than what they are unless you, as you put it, "feel" they are not. This of course, would be wrong. You don't walk into an art school, paint a canvas black and say it feels like a bird, it's a black canvas, that's what it is.
>>58830548
>Being afraid of death is a mostly religious trait
You're telling this to a ex-athiest and I can see that it is a lie.
>>58830424
>muh clockwork universe
why do electrons attract? why do the laws of nature work in the way they do?
just because you can't perceive it doesn't mean it's not there. I love how atheists like to talk about how small and insignificant we are but then use that to try and prove there is no God. If we are so small and insignificant perhaps we just can't perceive him with our limited way of interacting with creation?
>DarkMatter2525
>>58828032
>sideways France
lel
>>58830155
No, that's your left-wing atheist propaganda telling you that the Church wants to keep you in ignorance. But even Science has christian principles. You won't watch but whatever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy5OajO7nrc
>>58830695
I want it because I use logic and reason to figure out what is JUST and right. I am actually in favour of homosexuality being legal and I fucking hate fags. I am not a hypocrite, I support what I think is right, not what I personally think makes me feel good. I use my own moral codex not a 2000 year old one which was made by others for others and does not fit in the current year at all.
I do not try to emulate the past, feeling good is the result of hard work, not of doing what you think might be good. It would take a great deal of arrogance to believe that my own believes are what is good for all of humanity or even my own city.
>Too stupid to understand science?
>Worship scientific "consensus"
Literally leftists who threw James Watson under the bus, and think climate scientists wouldn't lie for their own careers.
>>58830716
I'll be honest. I didn't read any other posts but the one I responded to, the one where you were calling him out as a dog if he was unable to prove his position. I've seen arguments like this hundreds of times on here. I have never once seen one side convince the other to concede or switch sides. You just end up looking bad for downtalking others over their beliefs. I am saddened because I thought anyone who believes in God would not need to defend their beliefs by belittling others.
The light does not need to dim others in order to shine. Just speak your truth and leave it.
>>58830836
>why do electrons attract?
lol
>Dur no proof of god
>Atheists can't into deductive reasoning
>Aquinas is centuries old therefore it's invalid
Watch this christfags how Stephen Hawkings proves god doesnt exist and how the universe was born. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vj0NL2r6cnU
>>58826985
>to be loved
My church (PCA) taught that the only reason God does anything is to demonstrate his glory.
>>58830833
How can you know it is a lie. Did you speak to 8 billion humans? You failed to address any of the other points.
>>58829909
You don't know that
The main difference
>Religion claims to be right and that anything else is wrong
>Science does not claim to be right because science wants to be proven wrong so we can eventually reach the truth
>>58826985
Ey wots goin on in this thread?
>>58830900
But I never watched any propaganda what are you talking about? I am referring to people like Galileo Galilei, Copernicus, Kepler, etc.
>>58830900
>Science has christian principles
Science has no principles. It just is what it is. 1+1=2 has no islamic, pagan, christian or whatever underlying fundament.
>>58830973
>How can you know it is a lie.
Because I was atheist and lived it
>>58830579
It is all part of God's plan. You don't see it because you are a blind nigger.
Divine word of God compiled in bible is without error, humans misinterpret it.
This is human problem, not God's. And God planned it so all along.
You don't understand that is ok because you are nigger.
>>58830716
Not sure what your greentext is supposed to mean, but whatever.
I fail to see how you link empathy to some kind of deity, making a bunch of statements and saying they're proof don't actually make them proof.
Come back when you can show some proper collerations and don't resort to ad hominen 20 seconds after your first post.
>>58830716
>Ãlso I did give you an answer. Wanting to clear your mind is not a prof that God exits, emocional reactions to traumatic situations happen all the time. Also you say that people who tell you they don't want to clear their minds after a shock are liers when you can't possibly know that. It just shows how close minded you are to information that contradicts what you believe in.
My answer. Why are you so afraid to answer yourself?
>Mind!= Consience
Fine, whatever, still doesn't take away from what I said.
>And I mentioned a specific way that everybody in every culture uses, even if no religion is had
Uses what again, consicence? How do you know Also how do you possibly know that "god forgives"? Who told you that?
>>58826985
Too stupid to understand religion?
TRY SCIENCE!
why do any of you bother arguing with god loving faggots anymore?
let me believe what their conquerors taught them to believe. you are not going to convert anyone on 4chan, or /pol/ for that matter
>>58831086
You talked to 8 billion humans and they all agreed with you? what about the other points? you are a dirty weasel afraid to answer my refutation of your pathetic argument.
>>58829909
None, including Christianity which condones slavery.
>>58830956
Aqinas made a lot of claims but no evidence was presented so...
>>58831099
>god plans errors
>god intentionally wants us to fuck up
nice god you have there kebabremover
>>58831126
>empathy
AGAIN
>person DOESN'T GIVE A FLYING SHIT ABOUT ANYBODY
>person shit his pants with incoming doom!
>oh m9s I think I'm gonna feed the hungry
>Empathy 3 Turbo Champion Edition
>>58831182
>b-but the rest of atheist are like germany says!
>>58829204
You sure got him, time to pray to some fairytale bullshit
>>58831159
them*
If god is real he did a really shit job of proving himself
Why doesn't he just pop up right now and prove to me he is real?
Why use something like faith? Why not just prove to me you are real so i have no choice but to believe?
>>58831234
I know you feel that way.
>Atheists can't into deductive reasoning
>>58830832
Yeah you're actually 100% right. I've now totally abandoned my personal experience of God which, prior to reading your post, had transcended all experiences and thoughts I've witnessed in life. But this post, especially the bit about the black painting being a bird, wow it really hit home. I am a changed man.
Call me Derek, the objective, scientific, morally corrected Atheist.
A new day dawns!
>>58831325
>Why doesn't he just pop up right now and prove to me he is real?
you'd just chalk it up to hallucination
A real shame that all these miracles stopped happening once video cameras were invented and science started explaining "spooky" shit.
To the religious people in NA / Europe.
If you are a Christian you're likely Christian because of geography and what you were indoctrinated into. You're not Muslim or Hindu, are you? If you were born over there, odds are you'd drink that kool aid instead.
>ITT religious retards
One fallacy alone in a perfect book should disprove it.
100? Qualify it for shittiest literature ever.
Take whatever wisdom you can garner from the book and throw the rest of it in the trash.
>>58831403
Why don't you give him a genuine answer? Is your divine shield breaking?
>>58831403
Welcome to the club Derek. Here's your fedora. Please hand in your shaving device.
>>58831234
The evidence he presented is called common sense. To put it in retard terms, everything that is finite is brought into existence by something else that is finite, until you get to the uncreated creator or the unmoved mover. Now, this has been perfectly clear until Hume, who claimed there's no objective final causality to fuck all, which is synonymous with claiming that if you throw a brick into a window that the window won't break.
>>58829232
>discovers genetics
>doesn't discover god
m8 i am laffin
>>58831158
Religion can be explained in one book, whereas a tiny fraction of science can barely be explained in thousands.
>>58831266
Still not sure what you're saying. Not everyone has authism, learn to construct some sentences so that people can understand what the hell is going on in your mind
>>58826985
Research Deism.
>>58831508
spooky shit exists but modern cg makes it too hard to discern whats real and fake
early days of the internet had all sorts of weird ghost shit
>Watching videos made by darkmatter
holy shit son
Answer me this religiousfags
I'm suppose to have complete freedom right. God is suppose to be all knowing, which means he knows the path which i will take in life. If he knows i'm going doubt his existance then my life is predetermined and i infact don't have freedom of choice since my lifes outcome is already decided since god knows it.
So god will willing send me to an eternal suffering in hell while he already knew that i would lead a life not believing in him. Sure sounds like he loves everyone equally to me.
For an all powerful being he sure is fucking incompetent and illogical
>>58828950
> To be bad, he [The Bad Power] must exist and have intelligence and will. But existence, intelligence and will are in themselves good. Therefore he must be getting them from the Good Power: even to be bad he must borrow or steal from his opponent. And do you now begin to see why Christianity has always said that the devil is a fallen angel? That is not a mere story for the children. It is a real recognition of the fact that evil is a parasite, not an original thing. The powers which enable evil to carry on are powers given it by goodness. All the things which enable a bad man to be effectively bad are in themselves good things—resolution, cleverness, good looks, existence itself. That is why Dualism, in a strict sense, will not work.
> But I freely admit that real Christianity (as distinct from Christianity-and-water) goes much nearer to Dualism than people think. One of the things that surprised me when I first read the New Testament seriously was that it talked so much about a Dark Power in the universe—a mighty evil spirit who was held to be the Power behind death and disease, and sin. The difference is that Christianity thinks this Dark Power was created by God, and was good when he was created, and went wrong. Christianity agrees with Dualism that this universe is at war. But it does not think this is a war between independent powers. It thinks it is a civil war, a rebellion, and that we are living in a part of the universe occupied by the rebel.
> Enemy-occupied territory—that is what this world is. Christianity is the story of how the rightful king has landed, you might say landed in disguise, and is calling us all to take part in a great campaign of sabotage.
More here: https://www.dacc.edu/assets/pdfs/PCM/merechristianitylewis.pdf
>>58830548
Being afraid of death has nothing to do with religion.
It's a biological trait that keeps us out of harms way.
>>58831266
Nice job dude. You literally cannot answer my question. Atheism 1 Christianity 0.
>>58830900
>even Science has christian principles.
no wonder your country is getting rekt. ancient greek principles if anything
>they literally state all over the oldest texts that they need objective knowledge of the world to understand they role in it
>christianity
>knowledge
>science
kek
>>58831526
Pearls before swine.
>>58827334
>It's true because I say so.
Religiousfags in a nutshell. You have no right to complain about 'leftists who can't argue and just use emotion instead as a means to win debates''.
>>58831570
>Still not sure what you're saying
Well, I have been pretty clear with my words and I haven't used the chinese language, in fact, I have used the shitty inhouse language of 4chan.
So my take on the matter is that you DO NOT WANT to aknowledge what I'm saying because IT IS NOT IN YOUR BEST INTEREST.
>>58831086
No way in hell you were an atheist. No one can go back to believing in that bullshit after you've started using logic. The only possible way that that could happen would be if you were SO afraid of death that you had to try to convince yoursel that God is there. But even then it means you were never actually atheist, only had some atheist thoughts.
Or you're trolling
>>58831652
Way to miss the point Sven.
>>58831647
Oh so the barometer that predicts the weather now somehow creates weather? Guess what pal, if you go to hell, it's your own damn fault. And God is outside time, God doesn't see time as we do.
>>58831647
>So god will willing send me to an eternal suffering in hell
Yes.
>He doesn't sound like he loves me
Shouldn't have gone with satan, m8, when we were back in heaven before all happened
>>58831071
Most technological innovations were made in Christian countries, but for sure there is no correlation. What about Newton? Pascal?
>>58830771
Christianity never banned slavery. What happened is people stopped obeying their holy book and became moral human beings for once.
>>58831642
Please don't actually be this gullible/dumb.
>>58826985
I'm gonna watch it. I have incredibly low expectations.
>>58831677
Whatever man.
Good luck teaching people about the "way of christ" by spamming greentexts in capital letters about people shitting themselves.
Literally one of the biggest retards I've seen on all of 4chan in years
>>58831771
>le god doesn't work like we do
straw man
>>58831684
>No way in hell you were an atheist.
I was.
I just saw evidence.
The kind you'd chalk up to hallucinations and delusion.
I'm not retarded and I'm a fan of being alive and not burning forever, so I didn't
>>58831778
Newton and every other scientist which you can think of was forced to be religious and would be atheist if they would be alive today. Btw watching the video.
>>58831666
Sounds more like you have no proper answer.
>>58831804
>b-but science explains everything
I've had paranormal experiences myself
>>58831844
How is it a strawman to say that a Being outside time doesn't percieve time as we perceive it? What about the rest of my response, tell me, does the barometer that predicts weather actually manipulate weather or has any control over the weather?
>>58831258
There are no errors in God's design. World is perfectly just.
FBI niggers think they see errors but tis only bad perception.
God made the world perfectly just and he planned it without errors.
Open your eyes nigger.
>>58831508
I was born here because I am the encounter of two people, my parents, I therefore inherit their past, their experiences, and the ones of their ancestors too.
You nihilists and relativists fags like to spread this ridiculous ideas that it's a matter of luck.
It's not. It's the same ideology that have leftists say that sex is a social construct, and only by chance you got a penis or a vagina. It is ridiculous.
>>58831860
Newton wasn't forced to be religious. He just kinda went insane from all those mercury fumes during his alchemy days and went full Biblical mysticist.
Quantum phsyics disproved material atheism DECADES ago.
If you are pro-atheism, you are anti-science.
>>58831944
Can you prove anything outside time exists or ever existed?
>>58831929
You mean
>it was dark and I couldn't see shit but heard spooky things so it must be ghosts
>>58831929
You've had mental illness experiences.
>>58831993
muh quantum mysticism
>>58831951
>God made the world perfectly just and he planned it without errors.
Thanks for the deadly volcanoes, tsunamis and earthquakes god
>>58831993
What kind of mental gymnastics is this?
>>58831508
>these miracles stopped happening
I converted because I saw supernatural stuff
I always see this post and it simply is untrue.
>theres nothing on cam
And with good reason, you people are all of satan, I'm probably the only normal human in here
Would take you very little to erase all evidence and then pretend there never was evidence in the first place
Let's see how this format works out... I should have done the work to just screenshot it.
>>21365859 Post I initially respond to
Atheists generally don't use nonreligious philosophy except nihilism and postmodernism. Agnostics do.
>>21366115
Free will doesn't exist, that's a fact. Determinism (or indeterminism) is guaranteed and that basically shits on any kind of god mattering.
>>21366233 (You) The guy arguing and trying to be condescending on 4chan
But quantum mechanics already proved determinism wrong. Better luck next year though.
Source: Am scientist. Your stupid layman opinions on why this isn't true don't matter.
>>21366233 (You) Random person
Care to source that "fact" you got there? Pretty sure modern quantum mechanics relies on the assumption of true stochasticity, at least for some things.
>>21366271
The Copenhagen interpretation hasn't been proven beyond all doubt, but it looks to be the case. At best we have an indeterministic universe and it still doesn't allow for free will.
>>21366299
Yes under the model that most quantum physicists support it's functionally, truly random.
>>21366310 (You)
What do you think "Free will" is then. Obviously people do what their biology tells them. But qm gives this multiple options. You can call it cheating, but that leaves an abstract force beyond biology controlling them. Meaning that the free will can be defined as a soul if lazy people want.
I wouldn't call it that. But it's true. And it buttfrustrates people like you to no end.
>>21366392
All outcomes are random and undirected by any entity. It might be called "free" but it is not a "will". Since it's not guaranteed to be a particular outcome it could be called free, but it's stuck with being just one outcome.
>>21366474 (You)
What are you confused about? Of course it's a will. It's your brain. The fact that a brain is only a brain on a macro level doesn't make it cease to exist.
>do you plan to reveal your true nature to your creation?
>"of course"
God doesn't have to reveal the entirety of his true nature
>only revealing yourself in one small area at one point in history
it worked fine though, didn't it... there's over 2 billion christians, and all non-christians have heard of christ
>>58832099
You are still running away from answering me after I and the HUE HUE BTFO you very hard. Pathetic.
>>58832036
Seems like your mind is closed, you probably just dismiss what doesn't fit into your worldview. This is why you don't pay attention to religious experiences. Evidence exists but you don't accept it.
>>58826985
Yep. Hand-waving: the video.
But materialists are enamored with hand-waving, so it doesn't surprise me at all that an anti-intellectual faggot like you thinks that video somehow fronts a substantial objection to religious belief.
>>58832124
>>21366511
What mechanism does the brain have to elect the outcomes of quantum events? When does the brain recognize two abstractions which it considers to be plausible alternatives and go "okay, now I will engineer future events into being the alternative I prefer at this time"
Do you think the brain is supernatural? I'll reserve my next statement, I don't want you to miss a response to this one.
>>21366573 (You)
Who said anything about the supernatural? Your brain has a will. It is also free. Are you annoyed that being free and having a will do not align up in your preferred order?
>>21366617
>Your brain has a will.
You're going to have to explain that. Your brain has the ability to receive, process, and send information. How does it choose to do something which is different from what it would have otherwise done? Something which is different from what the universe was going to have it do.
I mentioned the supernatural because in case you were going to make an argument involving it, a soul can not have free will either. The mechanism with which it would have to operate would be non-logical.
>>21366693 (You)
>How does it choose to do something which is different from what it would have otherwise done? Something which is different from what the universe was going to have it do.
What? You don't even know what you're talking about, and yet you're still arguing? Do you know how statistics in qm work? There isn't one set path it may or may not deviate from. There are many possibilities. Any one that happens was one of the possibilities inherent in the universe. No, you can't deviate and do magic things that were not part of your possible futures. But of the possible futures, there are many, and the one that happens is not set in stone.
>>58831993
No, it didn't.
>>58831994
Of course, by simple logical inference: time didn't start itself. And since it's finite, we know it had a start. That's why there's a difference between time and eternity. If you claim time has always existed, then you're talking about eternity.
>>58826985
>If you STILL believe in a god after this video you need to KILL YOURSELF
Discrediting all religious texts in the world still wouldn't disprove the existence of a god.
>>58831564
>>58831564
>Religion can be explained in one book
You're a fucking moron
>>58829633
>leddit and fedora maymay the only answer 4chinz can come up with
But on a serious note.
Were Christians behind killing whom they thought were witches?
Went onto a WeAreAllMuslim bullshit page and mention what Muslims do to people for denying, not believing in Allah, leaving Islam etc. And some one brought up the argument about Christians killing those they believed were witches.
>>58832138
You have been answered without error and with the use of reason.
You are demanding of me to ask to 8 million people their feels while at the same time pretending they all agree with you.
Hypocrite
Get out of my sight
>>58832124
>>58832177
>>21366952
I know exactly what I'm talking about, you're just misinterpreting my sentences.
From the possible outcomes how does your brain direct your self into carrying out one of them. The ability to DO things is called free agency, it's not free will. Your sense of your ability to DO things is your sense of self-efficacy (an abstraction).
The ability to change what would have otherwise been is free will. The mechanistic ability to pick outcomes out of possibilities is what free will is.
When the possibilities happen it was functionally random under the Copenhagen interpretation. The state of those outcomes determines what your brain does--what you do.
You need to explain how free will operates, which you have not done yet. I realize this is an absurd request because you CAN NOT give a completely logical explanation of it--that was my premise.
>>21367253 (You)
>The ability to change what would have otherwise been is free will.
There is no such thing as what would have otherwise been. You claim I misinterpreted you, and yet you said it again.
>>21367341
>There is no such thing as what would have otherwise been.
No. FUCKING. SHIT. That's why there is no free will.
Now if you're going to say "but your brain has a will" please actually explain that, which you still haven't attempted.
>>21367363 (You)
There's nothing to explain. Are you not conscious?
>>58832099
>all of these miracles are genuine and it only happens that no one else sees them, but I saw it therefore its true
There is literately nothing wrong with following Christian teachings
There is also no reason to be against Christianity unless you're seeking justification for your pathetic sinful lifestyle.
>>58831508
>if you're a christian you're likely christian because of geography
Christ came from Galilee.. are 99% of the world's christians from Galilee?
nope
now, are 99% of muslims from the middle east? yes. are 99% of hindus from india? yes
so they are obviously fake religions
>>58831993
Challenged, yes. Disproved, no. It's not the job of science anymore to prove anything.
>>58832200
they're the only texts that proport that a god exists, so if you destroy the basis what good is the conclusion?
>>58832124
>>58832177
>>58832229
>21367448
That's a non-sequitur.
Anyway... If it exists there must be something to explain. Are you not able? That's a rhetorical question.
Interestingly, as an extension of free will not existing and being an illusory experience, consciousness is a similar phenomenon. I'm working on an argument that consciousness does not exist per se. It's much more complex than free will and I'm not entirely convinced yet but it's an engaging problem. It's essentially an argument that we ARE philosophical zombies but what we expect a philosophical zombie to be can't exist and we just misinterpret our experience as a wholly bounded one when it is really a conglomeration of all informational experience which results in an emergent "consciousness".
>>Respond to myself
I will also add for the sake of anyone reading:
It's not an argument that "LOL THE THINGS YOU ARE EXPERIENCING RIGHT NOW AREN'T HAPPENING YOU AREN'T CONSCIOUS".
It's an argument that consciousness is not a "thing". It's not a property of the universe where you could consider "plucking the consciousness out" of something and inserting it in something else. So we're not conscious in the sense that people think of it. I believe a similar argument exists that there is no "I". We are just the sum of our parts. If you began annihilating your constituent particles one by one at what point would you cease being you?
>At this point he dropped out and lay on his bed “doing nothing” because his sense of self- efficacy was destroyed.
>>58832197
>time didn't start itself
Prove it.
>>58831847
Well that just shows the different kind of people out there, you said it yourself. When som people have delusions they can uselogic and know what it is, othes just say is God.
>not burning forever
Like I said, you were just afraid of death, and you neve really was an atheist, because in your mind a possibility of hell still existed. By the way I could have another entire discussion on why the mere concept of hell and the fact you believe God sends people there is INSANELY evil. No benevolent being would allow such a thing.
>>58831796
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abolition_of_slavery_timeline
The very link that one of your nihilist friend posted me.
>~1220: The Sachsenspiegel, the most influential German code of law from the Middle Ages, condemns slavery as a violation of God's likeness to man.[9]
>1256: The Liber Paradisus is promulgated. The Comune di Bologna abolishes slavery and serfdom and releases all the serfs in its territories.
>1274: Landslov (Land's Law) in Norway mentions only former slaves, which indicates that slavery was abolished in Norway
>1290: Edward I of England passes Quia Emptores, breaking any indenture to an estate, on the sale or transfer of the estate.
>1315: Louis X, king of France, publishes a decree proclaiming that "France signifies freedom" and that any slave setting foot on the French ground should be freed.[10]
>>58832282
It's finite.
>>58832151
>Evidence exists but you don't accept it.
godlikeproductions shill pls
>>58832124
>>58832177
>>58832229
>>58832281
Should be read by anyone who cared enough to enter this thread.
>>58832151
Spoken like a true crazy person.
>>58832230
>all of these mental illnesses are real, and it only happens that no one else sees them, but I see them with my medical vision that doesn't provide organic observable evidence because it's a power
>>58832287
>It's a delusion
I am amazed at your ability to discenr delusion from reality without being present.
>>58832230
>I didn't see them therefore it didn't happen.
>I'll believe everything atheists tell me though
How does this video know that God doesn't exist on other planets with intelligent life?
Has DarkMatter(Numbers go here) ever been to other planets with intelligent life to find out their rich and detailed histories?
>>58831647
>i infact don't have freedom of choice since my lifes outcome is already decided since god knows it
The fact that God knows your destiny does not mean that He chose it for you. You did. And if you go to hell when you die, it's because you wanted it to happen. If you want nothing to do with God He will respect your decision and send you to a place deprived of His infinite love and grace.
>>58832418
>still afraid to answer my points
>>58831860
That's very easy to state this, but it is supported by nothing.
>>58832274
You don't need knowledge of a god for it to exist. >>58831589
>>58832422
The whole point of atheism is using logic and not blindly believing others. You are strawmanning so hard that you think that atheism is a religion and involves belief? It is the opposite.
>>58832422
>it was real in my mind
>>58832418
>>all of these mental illnesses are real,
They're documented, with evidence including brain scans and bioneurological tests reveal different chemical imbalances exist
You are literally fucking stupid to deny real research, real evidence and real study
>>58832344
Doesn't imply it "needs" something to start.
>>58832477
Just like God?
>>58832412
>you are crazy xD so I win
No
>>58832422
>I can't prove anything I say, but its true I swear
>why won't you guys believe me?
>FILTHY HERETICS
>>58832274
>thinking an idea can be destroyed
This is fucking Plato basics.
>>58832422
>what is falsifiability
>I don't believe in fairy tales
>I believe in science
Let's have a look at science
http://www.20minutos.es/noticia/2618116/0/cerebro/diferencias/masculino-femenino/
SCIENCE A: FEMALE BRAIN IS EQUAL TO MALE BRAIN AND HAS NO DIFFERENCE
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20032-transsexual-differences-caught-on-brain-scan/
SCIENCE B: TRANSEXUALS HAVE FEMALE BRAINS THAT ARE DIFFERENT FROM MALE BRAINS
And this is what atheists believe
>>58832550
>muh philosophy and shit
>>58832197
> Of course, by simple logical inference: time didn't start itself.
Already off to a bad start. We have no way to know what 'caused' time or if such a question is even valid.
> And since it's finite, we know it had a start.
We know that we can't look any further than when everything was a singularity.
> That's why there's a difference between time and eternity.
Time is just a third access with measure. No one knows if "eternity" is even possible.
> If you claim time has always existed, then you're talking about eternity.
I have no claim. That's what happens when you don't have significant enough information. None of which deals with deities.
>>58832533
Why don't you use an infra-red camera and try to figure out what you saw?
I bet it was a fucking squirrel.
>>58832512
Nobody does brain scans in diagnosis of mental illness
>>58832572
Not all science has merit
you're citing a news article instead of the actual paper in question
>>58832572
>Strawmaning this hard.
>got BTFO by a HUE HUE and A german and literally afraid to refute our points
AHAHAHAHHAHA
>>58832584
>conversation on philosophy
>"philosophy is gay lol rekt and ownt LMAO xD"
>>58832609
>this guy might have an abnormality that causes his multiple personality disorder
>so lets take a bunch of these sticky things and measure for brain activity
>yea I dunno he has a lack of activity then a sudden burst of activity in the lower left lobe, this is evidence that something is wrong
>>58832533
People who see and hear things that are not there and cannot distinguish them from reality are by definition crazy.
>>58832609
t. person who rejects science and medicine and vaccines and has no clue about brain scans and when they are used, what they do or anything really.
>>58832665
>actually studying a fucking subject on par with women's studies
>>58832611
>If you cite the paper instead of the published news, it somehow becomes less retarded
>>58826985
Why are you morons always picking on Christians? Go pick on Jews and Muslims for once. You assholes are like the overly-confident manlet that picks on the fat kid that wants to be left alone.
>>58832652
You being afraid of death and seeking absolution proves you being afraid of death and trying to rationalize it as you cannot fathom a giant black VOID with nothing in it. You are mentally weak so you construct a last resort, safe haven, etc where you will go when you die. Mentally strong people have no need for such things.
>>58832665
Do not listen to them, Philosophy is GOAT and it disproves god.
>>58832687
>being this delusional
>>58832682
Its actually called Psychosis, which is a real medical disorder
>>58832695
the news media of any kind does not speak for the paper in question. For all intents and purposes the news site in question is biased purely for their own benefit of getting ad revenue
>>58832682
>It's not there because I just say it's not there
Begging the question
>>58832757
>I study what some old dead guy said and what and how it meant
>3deep5u
>>58832755
You can't disprove God even conceivably.
>>58832287
Just to expand on that. God gives us the ability to use logic and to question things, than he gives no concrete evidence of his existance, and when we question it, he sends us to an eternety in suffering. Not 100 years, not 10000, not 100000000000000000. No criminal diserves such a fucked up punishment, let alone a thinker. You believe in one fucked up God.
>>58832418
Still no answer. You're just showing your hipocrisy. "If you say you don't have hallucinations when you're afraid you're lying, but mine are real and a prof of God!!!1"
>>58832705
You should see my kikebook wall, I rip mudslimes a new one every day.
I kinda wonder why they spend so much energy trying to debunk us. I don't care what an atheist thinks about the world. Why do they care what I think if they truly believe they're right?
>>58832797
Its not the responsibility of him to disprove god
you don't just go out and disprove shit, thats not how shit works
>>58832797
you wot m8?
What's next? Descartes proving God with false premises, actually being legit?
>>58832083
It's not mysticism
>>58832085
watch vid related if you have the time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C5pq7W5yRM
>>58832178
Yes it did, materialism is false.
>>58832254
See the video I posted
>>58832790
>old dead guy
>father of calculus
C o g n i t i v e
D i s s o n a n c e
>>58832797
Don't have to disprove things that don't seem to exist.
>>58832715
I didn't make my choice by being afraid of death, my choice was made by observing evidence.
Others, clear their conscience because of fear
Others, clear their conscience because of evolution I guess because they still claim to be atheist, so evolution will judge them
As I said, this is an effect seen IN ALL CULTURES AND BELIEFS
Calling it fear is stupid, because not everybody feels fear, some people actually go for covetousness
>>58832801
He doesn't send you to an eternity of suffering just for "questioning" unless your a muslim or some nut group.
>>58832867
>calculus
>a real mathematical application involving logic
>philosophy
>some 3deep5u shit that hasn't done anything but make people think about nuances and useless paradigms
>>58832856
> Yes it did, materialism is false.
Name something in this Universe that's not material.
>>58832705
Most people arround us are Christian, I for one have never met a muslim in my life, but if I do I will shit on his retarded beliefs just as much.
>>58832852
Tell me how God can possibly be disproven.
>>58832851
There's no difference between a positive and negative claim. None whatsoever.
>>58832525
Really? Name me one finite thing that created itself without any influence by another finite thing.
The problem with you people is that you claim to be smart as shit, but you don't understand basic shit that Greeks figured out.
>>58832595
Then we are living in eternity, is that what you're trying to say? Or what when our universe dies, does time even make sense without a universe?
>>58832801
>I fall for atheist logical memes
>God's to blame for that
>>58832856
>It's not mysticism
It is. Please stop talking about quantum mechanics when you clearly don't understand the first thing about it.
The old testament had a shitty vengeful god that was a complete child. But at least you could die to get away from him.
In the new testament gentle jesus gives you ETERNAL pain in hell fire. No one deserves that. What's the point of that?
Why do twisted Christians always say, "I can look at the edge of heaven and see the suffering of those who are wrong and laugh".
That is the most fucked up line of thinking I've ever come across. Fucking sadists.
Hey atheists if god doesn't exist then morality doesn't exist
there is no right and wrong
therefore I can't lose this argument
>>58832958
>There's no difference between a positive and negative claim. None whatsoever.
Well if I don't have any evidence of a particular claim then there is no reason to accept or believe that claim now is there
Free will doesn't exist, that's a fact. Determinism (or indeterminism) is guaranteed and that basically shits on any kind of god mattering.
At best we have an indeterministic universe and it still doesn't allow for free will.
All outcomes are random and undirected by any entity. It might be called "free" but it is not a "will". Since it's not guaranteed to be a particular outcome it could be called free, but it's stuck with being just one outcome.
What mechanism does the brain have to elect the outcomes of quantum events? When does the brain recognize two abstractions which it considers to be plausible alternatives and go "okay, now I will engineer future events into being the alternative I prefer at this time"
Do you think the brain is supernatural?
Your brain has the ability to receive, process, and send information. How does it choose to do something which is different from what it would have otherwise done? Something which is different from what the universe was going to have it do.
I mentioned the supernatural soul can not have free will either. The mechanism with which it would have to operate would be non-logical.
From the possible outcomes how does your brain direct your self into carrying out one of them. The ability to DO things is called free agency, it's not free will. Your sense of your ability to DO things is your sense of self-efficacy (an abstraction).
The ability to change what would have otherwise been is free will. The mechanistic ability to pick outcomes out of possibilities is what free will is.
When the possibilities happen it was functionally random under the Copenhagen interpretation. The state of those outcomes determines what your brain does--what you do.
You need to explain how free will operates. I realize this is an absurd request because you CAN NOT give a completely logical explanation of it--that is the premise.
Anyway... If it (free will) exists there must be something to explain. Are you not able? That's a rhetorical question.
After reading this thread, I'm actually starting to question my faith....
>>58832938
Philosophy IS mathematics.
>>58832801
>Still no answer
It is a perfectly valid answer: how do you know, without being present, that it is a delusion.
Zap! motherfuckers! he has powers!
>>58832938
>Philosophy
>not logic
THIS IS
C O M E D Y
G O L D
>This thread
>>58832989
morality is a social construct developed by societies of people
its bad to eat beef in india, but not in the US
social construct
>>58832907
>As I said, this is an effect seen IN ALL CULTURES AND BELIEFS
Just because you're yelling it doesn't make it true, Pedro.
Besides, people are gullible sheep. Look at any religion or cult like Jonestown.
>>58832928
A lot of christians actually believe atheists go to hell.
>>58833021
>philosophy
>sitting around thinking about stupid shit day in and day out using contrived methods of "logic" to prove one's stupid ass thoughts on some dumb paradigm
>logic
>>58832992
Yes there is. There may be no evidence that a lost relative is dead, but you can have reasons to believe one way or the other that they either are or aren't. What an absolutely stupid suggestion.
Are you mentally impaired by any chance?
>>58832964
> Then we are living in eternity, is that what you're trying to say?
I'm saying we're alive. Stop trying to fill in the blank when there's no answer. We still can't see past the big bang.
> Or what when our universe dies, does time even make sense without a universe?
Our Universe will one day experience heat death. It makes perfect sense as this is what entropy leads to eventually.
>>58826985
Video would actually have purpose is "YAHWEH" was replaced with ALLAH.
Somebody care to edit for the careless videomaker?
>>58832907
I have been in near death situations plenty of times and never looked for absolution or God or any kind of belief system. If your experience of being an atheist and then seeing spooky shit and being almost dead frightened you into fearing god, then he is not a loving god. How did you fear hell when you were an atheist?
Why is your experience legit but mine is not?
>>58833050
>Just because you're yelling it doesn't make it true, Pedro
No, what makes it true is the millions of cultural works like movies, games, songs, etc where this happens and is depicted
So you can go sleep in the corner
>People are gullible
Indeed, if they werent, atheist would have lasted 3 seconds in the face of the earth
>>58833089
L I T E R A L L Y
A N D
U N I R O N I C A L L Y
>>58832964
>Really? Name me one finite thing that created itself without any influence by another finite thing.
Quantum fluctuation, radioactive decay.
>>58833102
your example is flawed as it involves someone that did in fact live and confuses it with an idea out of a fucking book that implores people to believe it based on nothing what so ever
>>58832964
What "atheist logical meme" did I fall for?
>>58833142
>I can't argue so I'll post animoo
>>58833089
You just went full plebeian there, m8.
>>58832958
> There's no difference between a positive and negative claim. None whatsoever.
Atheism is the rejection of a theistic claim. It is not the assertion there is no god(s). Stop trying to shrug off your burden of proof.
>>58833049
"social construct" is a phrase idiots use to sounds smart. Its a way of saying nothing profoundly.
>>58833142
also your taste in shipfu is shitfu
>>58832842
The reason atheists try to disprove you is because you slow down the conversation for the rest of us.
Atheists are growing in number every day as more and more information becomes known. But religious fuckers slow us all down.
You know how they slow us all down?
Right now the president of the United States cannot be an atheist. We still have to pretend a man who wears dresses does ANY good in the world.
The priesthood is full of liars and charlatans and it is publicly allowed.
"Why do you care what I believe"
Because it is harmful to the evolution of humanity.
>>58833084
Yes but the same Christians believe Atheists are bad people. It's not merely for questioning god that gets them sent there.
>>58833150
They're logically equivalent in that there's no evidence to suggest a conclusion, yet you can have reasons to make a conclusion. You're literally retarded so I don't think you're going to understand just how stupid you are though. Enjoy being mocked and looking at cute anime girls!
>>58833132
>I have been in near death situations plenty of times
I have been emperor of Rome a few times myself, and never became powerhungry, not accustomed to riches.
>How did you fear hell when you were atheist
I didn't
>ha! he scared you
He didn't, He just showed up and marveled me.
And my response was codice
To earn heavenly goods
Not fear
What is wrong with you that you are only able to see fear?
>>58833136
>No, what makes it true is the millions of cultural works like movies, games, songs, etc where this happens and is depicted
So vampires are real too?
>>58833201
Social Constructs are well defined, its one of the few ACTUALLY established parts of sociology that has any significant merit.
The example I gave you is a great example of a socially constructed idea.
>>58833102
This would be a valid analogy if your dead relative never existed to begin with.
>>58833127
Islam is ridiculous too because it makes you pray 5 times a day to Mecca. Muslims can't even figure this out anymore since the earth turned out to be round. How anyone believes this religion is beyond me.
>>58829621
this desu
>trying to rationalise the divine through a mortal lens
lol
>>58833198
X or not-X are both positive claims. X posits X, not-X posits not-X. They're logically identical in that they both assert a state.
>>58833233
So what I believe in my own home is a problem to you?
>>58833258
>People never try to clean their consciences because vampires don't real
>see how smart I sound?
>I live in a country where pot is legal
>>58833006
>>58833021
Lol it's psuedo math.
It literally disgusts me.
>IF X THEN Y IF Y THEN Z IF Z THEN FEDORA IF FEDORA THEN Ï IF Ï THEN MONEKY BALLS IF :DD THEN GOD IS REAL CHECKMATE
Bet you the greatest philosophers in history couldn't even grow a chia pet.
What if you're like me and believe in a God-like being AND a devil-like being fighting for control of the universe?
>>58833011
Because of logic. If god appears for you why doesn't he do it for everyone? Prophet Muhammad also claimed god came to him, do you believe in him or was he having delusions? If you don't, than why? If you do than why aren't you a muslim.
>>58832211
Sorry, several books.
>>58833201
A social construct is a unique human ability to create laws and systems using vocals. A dog does not have the ability to create concepts like marriage because they can't speak.
>>58832084
You need to talk to God or you will forever be a blind nigger.
This is what God thinks about you:
5, 7, 3, 8, 0, 7 = 30
5Remember his marvellous works that he hath done; his wonders, and the
judgments of his mouth;
6O ye seed of Abraham his servant, ye children of Jacob his chosen.
7He is the Lord our God: his judgments are in all the earth.
8He hath remembered his covenant for ever, the word which he commanded
to a thousand generations.
9Which covenant he made with Abraham, and his oath unto Isaac;
10And confirmed the same unto Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an
everlasting covenant:
11Saying, Unto thee will I give the land of Canaan, the lot of your
inheritance:
12When they were but a few men in number; yea, very few, and strangers
in it.
13When they went from one nation to another, from one kingdom to
another people;
>>58833271
You're asserting they did exist. You're also asserting God never existed. Completely logically unjustifiable assertions to make as truth claims.
>>58833257
If you didn't fear hell why did you turn Christian?
Also why did you strawman? I almost drowned 3 times, almost got burned alive once and almost got run over 2 or 3 times, I get into shit all the time. That means I have to be careful nothing more.
>>58833233
> Religious fuckers slow us all down.
And atheist leaders don't? ... Perhaps you're one of those who thinks Soviet Russia was progressive as fuck, right comrade? :^)
>>58833347
No it is real math you shitposter.
t. atheist
>>58833360
>why doesn't he do it for everyone?
Ooooh, I know the answer to this one, I'm going to quote the bible in this one actually.
>the world is in the hands of the devil and the people on it obey him
Oh wow
>>58833337
If pop culture makes God real, why doesn't it apply to other things?
>>58833244
Its not about a conclusion and you're still insisting that the idea of "existence" is on par with a living human being and their convert to dying and some fucking book telling me to believe in an invisible sky thing that somehow has control and or created everything in the universe.
You're retarded to think that a living relative of mine and that person's "existence" as a state of being is on par with the SAME existence on whether some deity exists or not
>some deity
>a book said its real and if I don't believe it the diety will damn me
>my relative
>saw her last week, at the store, she was fine, a fucking camera saw her, she paid with her credit card.
These two are NOT the same what so ever
next post I guarantee you're gonna going into some philosophy bullshit on what it means to "truly exist" or something like that and "you can ever truly know what it means to exist!"
>>58833329
No ones claiming -X. You're trying to force an answer out of nothing. Without evidence there's nothing there to be asserted.
>>58829909
>what is zoroastrianism
>>58833456
You are unable to answer again, top kek.
I'm agnostic but I don't go around telling other people to be. Fuck off OP
>>58832943
The entire branch of metaphysics.
>>58832966
>If I don't like it it's mysticism.
Watch the video or fuck off, faggot. It's all 100% backed up by research.
>>58831774
Are you Catholic, Spainbro?
>>58833402
Ok, so this seems very difficult for you to get, so I will repeat this in shitpost format, k?
>Be me
>God says hi! in a very spectacular way
>believe
>instead of fearing hell
>I am filled with great interest in rewards in heaven
>germany doesn't understand
>>58832989
Religion isn't needed for morality. That's the scary thing about mankind, since a ton of people need an error-riddled book to stop being degenerates or to behave.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/altruistic-equations-that-killed-a-good-man-1358399.html
Google "Price equation". You can mathematically prove why it's beneficial to have a difference in levels of altruism inside a group. People used to claim it was a trait that proves the influence of god, but it can be explained perfectly by means of evolution - no god is needed at all.
>>58829002
You´re on every fucking religion/atheism thread on /pol/, always spewing your non-sense garbage. Would you please stop bringing shame to Spain?
>>58833554
Never
>>58833456
All of your replis to me:
>Doesn't adress my arguments
>Says some stupid religious shit
I honestly fell stupid that I took this long to realise I was having an argument with a troll.
>>58833396
I'm not asserting anything no matter how many times...you assert this. I have no evidence for a deity and thus reject theist claims. Doors always open to actually present proof in either direction. Until that time I'm not going to believe your claim.
>>58833563
So you are religious because you want to receive a reward in heaven, not because you fear god and want to be a good goy and serve him? Sounds like you will rot in hell for being a hypocrite joo.
>>58833492
What you accept as evidence is completely arbitrary and an idiotic criterion for belief. What you accept as evidence isn't what someone else accepts as evidence isn't what someone else accepts as evidence and so on. No one cares what you accept as evidence or not, since it has no bearing whatsoever on what the necessary truth of the matter actually is.
>>58833451
There aren't even numbers involved you fucking dipshit.
>>58833552
> The entire branch of metaphysics.
Is outdated mumbo jumbo.
>>58833552
>It's all 100% backed up by research.
Quantum mysticists are hilarious. Muh youtube vid
>>58833647
There is fixed criteria for belief and evidence. You do not get to decide what they are, neither me or the other guy.
>>58833671
WRONG.
>>58833360
>If god appears for you why doesn't he do it for everyone?
Because that would defeat the point of free will. He might as well have programmed robots to love him. But of course, that kind of love isn't love at all. Real love comes out of your own free will.
>>58833490
I honestly find it hilarious that people as stupid as you actually exist. I'm glad I don't keep company with people who constantly spout shit about subjects they know next to nothing about.
C U T E
U
T
E
>>58833574
That only proves altruism is good for survival not that it is objectively a good thing. You need religion for morality.
>>58833127
Islam is an entirely different kind of retarded
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUTsbah-SNM
>almost 500k views
>this is what mudslimes believe
>>58833233
Slow down what exactly? Carbon taxes? Miscegenation of the races? Transexualism?
>Believe in me
>Or Burn in hell for eternity
Wow, nothing personnel kid.
>>58833629
>I'm not asserting anything
You're asserting not-P, where P is "God exists". You're asserting that.
>>58833757
>ur just stupid because I said so, therefore it is
>but you can't prove what stupid really is because its based on how stupidity is thought about
You probably don't have a job because you got a degree in philosophy, so instead of a job you got a trip code and shitpost rampantly on /pol/
>>58833671
see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propositional_calculus
>>58833319
But if we get the video to replace YAHWEH with ALLAH it will spark another Benghazi.
>>58833612
>haha, god doesn't show before every person!
>oh, it's because you are people of the devil and you don't need to believe and you are actually wasting my time since there's no salvation for you and you are going to hell anyway
>you didn't answeeeer
>>58833606
I don't take commands from you
>>58833640
How am I a hypocrite for wanting to earn a reward and admitting to it?
A hypocrite is an actor, a person that says a, but doesnt think a, and actually thinks b, c, d and e
Example: everybody EXCEPT ME in this thread
>>58833727
Then why did God impart us with skepticism?
>>58833721
>There is fixed criteria for belief and evidence
*REALLY*? What is it, and from where does it receive it's quality of being "fixed"?
>>58833819
T H E
C U T E S T
>>58833684
>video citing sources for the most recent peer-reviewed research done by quantum physicists
>ITS NOT REAL BECAUSE IT CHALLENGES MUH MATERIAL FRAMEWORK!!!
The fruits of "rational atheists", everyone.
>>58833640
Yup,thats why if heaven were real, good atheists would be the first ones to go there, because they are just good human beings, without expecting any divine reward. Christians are really selfish, self-centered and arrogant
>>58833647
> What you accept as evidence is completely arbitrary and an idiotic criterion for belief.
That sounds like a statement from someone who knows they have no evidence.
> What you accept as evidence isn't what someone else accepts as evidence isn't what someone else accepts as evidence and so on.
I accept valid logical, rational or empirical sources. Just as I hacve no choice to accept gravity is real, I have no choice but to reject your deity claim.
> No one cares what you accept as evidence or not, since it has no bearing whatsoever on what the necessary truth of the matter actually is.
Well, at least you're conceding that there's no evidence for a deity. It normally takes a little bit longer for the theist to throw a temper tantrum.
>>58833837
You want to get into heaven for the sake of being in heaven. You do not want to get into heaven for being a good person. You do not want to be a good person. You do not want to love and respect god, you do it out of fear of his wrath=hell. You are not even religious, TOP KEK
>>58833848
From logic
>>58833608
So what are you?
>>58833837
Disgusting. It's like someone gave a computer to a clinical retard from the south of Spain, and encouraged them to shitpost on /pol/.
Read a fucking book, you moron.
>>58833888
High-five HUE HUE
>>58833886
Why not cite the actual papers instead? Could it be you never read them? ;^)
>>58833903
Why do you accept empirical sources?
>>58833772
watch this one too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okazbOSMKSQ
>>58833771
>You need religion for morality
Right. The only thing holding back Christians from killing and stealing is believing in a God. All religious people are so nice and morally superior.
Keep telling yourself that you cuck
>>58833837
You said you were an atheist and he came to you, dumbass. How were you not "of the devil". Also you didn't answer me about Muhhamed.
>>58833798
You are confusing things me thinks. You confuse belief with reason and logic with assertion I think.
>>58833928
What about logic fixes criteria for what constitutes "real" evidence as opposed to not-"real" evidence?
daily reminder
>>58833798
How can you not grasp these concepts? You're asserting P is true and I'm telling you that you have no way to prove it. I am not myself asserting -P as there's no evidence against a deity. It's a big fat zero when it comes to this subject.
>>58833908
Actually, that's what it is preached, that we do good to earn the reward.
>you should go because you want to be good!
That's actually a thing that doesn't even seem human, anon
>>58834005
What are you talking about? He is *literally* asserting the premise not-P. That's his premise. Not-P.
this entire argument is meaningless
God either exists or he doesn't, and if he exists, he doesn't require your agreement or anything else from you
I think the real reason people get upset is that the Bible says "only Jesus can save," but even this falls under the all-powerful clause, which is that nothing happens unless God says so
>>58833996
you missed the point
>>58834011
Depends on which school of philosophy you follow. How about provability, repeatability, universal truth, etc? If you have a vision of god and I cannot reproduce it, then it is not objective evidence of god.
I know this thread is a big bait, but i will still post this. Because Christians, and Atheists are retarded, our religon has a root of knowledge, but that knowledge is so fucking wrong interpreted.
Watch this Video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXuTt7c3Jkg
It will show you the roots of all religions, and why they exist.
It is the most redpilling Video about the true forces behind life and the Universe.
>>58833994
A goat probably says the same when they stick their dicks inside
>>58834067
That is the opposite of morality, you are an evil person and will burn in hell if it should exist. You are a materialistic, selfish demon.
>>58826985
Then how come Christian countries are the most peaceful and developed nations on the planet?
>>58829621
>Immaterial
>Reality
Pick one
>>58834093
>AwakenTheWorld
Hippy kraut pls go
>>58833942
Sure my german bro, just don't fuck us up at our one good sport again pls.
>>58834143
They are not, nice logical fallacy.
>>58834093
>quantum mysticism
pls die
>>58833961
>Why not cite the actual papers instead? Could it be you never read them? ;^)
Good thing the kind fella in the video posted all his sources in the video description :)
Hey, got a non hostile and legitimate question for the atheists:
I believe in God and heaven, as well as the Devil and hell.
Let's say I do good things not only because of fear of punishment in hell or want of reward in heaven (which I do) but also because being and doing good makes me feel good as a human being?
For instance I really like my hospital job since it's taking care of needy people who otherwise cannot help themselves.
>>58834066
An argument always has premises. You're arguing that P doesn't fly - no matter how you construct that, it's in premise-conclusion form if it has any form or validity to it at all. Within that argument is *necessarily* the assertion of "not-P" at some point, otherwise you're not saying P doesn't fly, which means you're not saying anything substantial to begin with.
This is *BASIC* logic. Literally logic 101.
>>58834195
Explain.
>>58834143
Shouldn't you be trying to figure that out before actually believing in god, instead of the other way around?
Surreal.
>>58834143
Europe has the highest amount of atheists m8
>>58833970
Why do I accept the narrowing down of variables, tracking data and in depth examination? Because a single experiment is worth more than a thousand philosophers. Empirical is not the only way to prove something but it's one of the best known methods at the moment.
>>58834143
Subsaharan Africa is Christian.
>>58833838
Your scepticism comes out of your free will. The problem with it is that it allows you to be good as well as bad. You gotta choose to be good and to open your heart and mind to God to know Him.
>>58833998
>you didn't answer me about Muhhamed
Why should I believe that after seeing with my own eyes everything God did before me and how He showed me what I have to believe?
This isn't even a smart thing to ask.
Why did you think this was even a thing you should have allowed in your brain?
>>58834130
>That is the opposite of morality
>whole bible is about earning the reward and even competing for it
>somehow doing what the whole bible says constantly, is immoral
Spoken like a true connoiseur
>>58834229
America is peaceful? What in the actual fuck?
Do not make me bring up all the yurop countries during the middle ages, renaissance and so on.
>>58834090
>Depends on which school of philosophy you follow
No, because logic doesn't have anything to say about that. Logic is an input/output device. It doesn't say literally anything on its own in a vacuum - logic is incapable of giving you an output without an input.
>>58834215
Where is the question in this post? You sound like a good fellow to me.
>>58833123
>as this is what entropy leads to eventually.
And when there's nothing left, time makes no sense. So I would be inclined to conclude that it is finite.
>>58833143
Are quantum fluctuations eternal? If not, they had a start. If they had a start, something must have started them. I'm well aware that there are self-perpetuating things, I just claim that they haven't been self-perpetuating forever.
>>58833153
The one you wrote about in your post.
>>58834215
Where's the question m8
I'm sure I'm not the only atheist that cringed watching this video.
>>58834254
Now. And it's also now collapsing spectacularly.
>>58834273
subsaharan africa isn't anything except niggers
>>58834212
Then why not refer to those directly? Nobody over the age of 13 accepts YouTube as a valid source.
>>58834272
I think a thousand philosophers are worth more than an infinite number of experiments.
A r b i t r a r y
V a l u e
J u d g e m e n t
You have no means whatsoever as establishing your criteria as existentially better than mine.
>>58834292
YOU FINALLY GOT IT. the bible is teaching you to be immoral so that the church can get money out of gullible people. The bible is the word of Satan. there you go ;) nevermind Satan not being real, just go with the flow.
>>58834254
And is also a Christian continent.
And notice how since the rise of Atheism, they are falling to the barbarians.
>>58834273
Because the Christians rightfully conquered them and subjugated them to the one true faith.
>>58834299
The United States was a peaceful country until the foreign hordes invaded it's land and ruined the domestic, christian way of life. The same thing happened to Rome once they let in the Barbarians.
>>58834224
> An argument always has premises.
Luckily, I haven't made an argument. Don't worry it may takes months or years but you'll grasp it sooner or later.
> You're arguing that P doesn't fly - no matter how you construct that, it's in premise-conclusion form if it has any form or validity to it at all.
You have no evidence thus your claim is rejected and meaningless. I have no constructed anything because I have no say in the matter.
> Within that argument is *necessarily* the assertion of "not-P" at some point, otherwise you're not saying P doesn't fly, which means you're not saying anything substantial to begin with.
I'm saying you're full of shit and argue like a snake oil salesman. You're free to admit you're making the whole 'God' thing up if you want.
>>58834328
Depends on how you look at it. If you start from realism or nihilism or whatever you might get a different outcome then if you are constructivist.
Logic itself is untouchable but the way you construct premises and prove them via logic is the key point here. If you do it like Descartes and have shitty premises you only prove your own mistakes.
>>58834292
You know what you're saying and don't even reallise? That for the rest of us that God hasn't done the kindly favor to personaly come and communicate with us, it makes total sense to not believe. You were an atheist until he came to you. And I still am because he hasn't come to me. And you didn't answer me about Muhhamed
>>58834338
>>58834342
Shit, sorry guys, a little drunk. I mean, what do you think of doing good without fearing or wanting something?
For instance I'm a waifufag and I believe she is waiting for me in the next world, and to get there I have to be good to others, moral, and righteous in this world to get there.
I guess I'm just rambling along lol.
>>58834340
>something must have started them
No. Just like you can't predict when radioactive decay will happen, you can't pinpoint a cause for those fluctuations. Both of those don't need a cause to happen.
>>58834427
ITT: Germans that have never done a good thing in their life call people who do good for a reward evil.
And they do so in a nazi board, filled with nazi people, that hate on dogs, people, cats, plants, children, elderly, fat people, thin people, medium weight people, tall people, short people, all kinds of people.
Please, spare me your lessons of morality, sinless one.
>>58834417
>I think a thousand philosophers are worth more than an infinite number of experiments
Great. How many philosophers does it take to land men on the moon? How many to get anything done whatsoever?
>>58834410
>Then why not refer to those directly?
Because I think the guy who made it did a good job of summarizing and refuting the common arguments made against materialism. If I posted a bunch of abstracts and research papers, no one on /pol/ is going to bother watching it.
>>58834455
United states were founded on blood and have always had wars and are always invading others for the past 100 years and even before that they had shitloads of invasion wars.
>>58834517
>Luckily, I haven't made an argument
"I think P is a bad argument" is somehow not an argument.
YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST FOLKS!
>>58834526
I already responded to this: I mentioned how you are of the devil.
Repeating yourself there, bud
>>58834417
> I think a thousand philosophers are worth more than an infinite number of experiments.
As does religion which is why they stand still in time. It's not surprising of course to see you value bullshit over actual results.
> You have no means whatsoever as establishing your criteria as existentially better than mine.
No idea what your criteria is all I can say is that you seemingly believe in a deity without evidence.
>>58834522
>Depends on how you look at it
Unless you use "logic" to mean something else entirely than what it does and has meant since the founding of philosophical though, no it doesn't.
>>58834535
That is very childish and gullible but perfectly OK. You are literally more moral than 95% of all christfags. You are ok.
>>58834556
Doing good for a reward is evil. Doing good for the sake of being good is good.
>>58834455
Really, dude? There are tons of christian African countries, what about them?. And europe "falling to the barbarians" has nothing to do with whether you believe or not in God.
>>58834584
It's an opinion.
>>58834563
I don't care, and there's no reason I find compelling that I should care.
You're sure doing a great job at convincing people Nethernigger.
>>58834417
Usefulness is a pretty good criterium. I can develop several mathematical constructs, each with their own axioms, but not all allow me to eventually develop modern technology.
>>58834582
*against immaterialism
>>58834606
Here we go again. Why am I of the devil? Because i'm an atheist? Weren't you also one?
>>58834634
So fake premises in a logically sound argument are suddenly valid now?
>>58834690
So everyone's free to disregard it without any fear of not being intellectually inquisitive then? What a powerful stance atheists have!
>>58831647
> this argument again
> this flag again
>>58834526
>Muhhamed
I already answered, I believe you are ignoring my answers at this point and pretending to have anything to say?
Gonna leave you like that, here in normal land, we sleep
>>58834686
No, doing good for a reward is good.
Because you're doing good.
It's a heavenly reward, you seek the reward of God.
There is no better "being good" than this kind of "being good" actually.
>>58834700
>Usefulness is a pretty good criterium
Arbitrary value judgement. I think usefulness is a bad criterium.
>>58834661
>You are ok
Thanks krautbro <3
>>58834750
Validity and soundness mean something different Hans.
>>58834696
>I don't care
You really are a philosopher. You go ahead and spend your days gazing at your navel.
>>58834836
You go ahead and spend your days being logically inconsistent and intellectually bereft.
>>58834784
You are disregarding basic logic.
Try to think of it in worldy terms:
I offer you 100 dollars to help my grandmother with her shopping.
I offer you my thanks and gratitude to do the same thing.
Figure out the difference.
>>58834584
I never said you were making a bad argument either. Clearly you are but the rejection of your claim comes from you having no evidence.
As for basic logic let me help you out. Saying X has no proof does not make Y correct. Nor does it say anything about a -X.
A rejection of a positive position is not an assertion of the negative. We're both stuck not knowing if a deity ever existed. I can tell that you're not comfortable with not knowing an answer.
>>58834800
Have fun living in your cave while I fly around with my jetpack.
>>58834537
>you can't pinpoint a cause for those fluctuations
That hardly means there isn't one. I think it would be fair to generalize that based on everything we see in the universe, everything has some sort of a cause. Just because we don't know what's the cause of quantum fluctuations, it doesn't mean there are none.
>>58834880
What a great "argument". Materialists are a fucking LAUGH.
>>58834878
So what *ARE* you saying? Nothing whatsoever?
>>58834832
If you construct an argument while you are a nihilist, anti-realist you already lost half the race. Then you use circular logic or dogmatism as a premise and your argument can be logically sound but still fucking worthless.
Then you start over and try having an approach akin to Hume and create premises which are different. Then you create an argument with them which is logically sound and valid. See the difference? That was just 2 random examples not pointing towards you here.
>>58834583
The United States was founded by pacifist Christians escaping corrupt churches. They later became the world's sole superpower.
The United States has only started wars for justified reasons, involving cleansing heretics. The only unjustified ones were started after the foreign hordes invaded the Christian land.
>>58834688
The Christian African countries were Barbarians, and they are still recovering from the heretics that once occupied them. Europe is falling to the Muslim Barbarians, they are attempting to be peaceful with the filthy heathens, and they're seeing the consequences of letting demons into your lands.
>>58834690
It's not my opinion. Without evidence I'm stuck unable to make a gnostic position. Him believing in a deity is merely his own opinion.
>>58834878
>A rejection of a positive position is not an assertion of the negative
YES IT IS. *NESCESSARILY*.
>>58834867
There's nothing intellectual about philosophy. Philosophy is for people who lack the insight for mathematics or physics, the actual domains of logic.
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