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Despite the popularity amougnst some leftests, anybody ells here both left-leaning and pro-guns?
>>58016726
Yeah, I think we should pay taxes so we can have security in our old age, universal healthcare would be really nice, not to mention college, and I get hard-ons for all manner of guns. I dislike that I often have to argue for the existence of firearms with other people who are "leftist" or "liberal" but are actually just fairly ignorant populists.
>>58016726
Yep. A few days ago I brought up how everyone always flips their shit when they find out I love guns and I'm voting for [spoilersdontwork]Bernie.[/spoilersdontwork]
Most of the hate is from other liberals, ironically.
>>58016727
I'd love free Healthcare and college too but current democrats don't know how to make it happen given our current system.
I can save for my own retirement thanks. Fuck taxes. I mean I know muh social contract but the tax code is a god damn joke. There shouldn't be all this shit dictating how much taxes you pay or don't, tax brackets are retarded when you can fenagle your way into paying a fraction of what you "owed".
Income tax and social security are unconstitutional, and if you are gonna force people to pay social security with the promise of them getting SS benefits later in life, then don't fucking bleed out the SS fund for other programs.
>>58016726
>>58016727
>>58016729
>>>/reddit/
>>58016728
fuck off SJW
threadly reminder
>Sen. Bernie Sanders: Ban All Guns Used For Self-Defense https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTvD0DFYh9s
>He not only wants full amnesty for all illegal immigrants currently in the US, but also wants to raise the cap of immigrants currently allowed entry every year
>He voted yes on a bill that would have banned "high-capacity magazines" over 10 bullets
>Despite his anti-war rhetoric, he supported the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia, leading to the resignation of one of his anti-war staffers
>He voted to authorize funds for the war in Iraq and Afghanistan despite publicly opposing those wars
>He colluded with Chris Dodd to completely gut Ron Paul's Audit the Fed bill when it was introduced to the Senate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Sqoq-lAGO8
>He told a woman "Excuse me! Shut up! You don’t have the microphone.” when she asked him at a town hall meeting why he refused to condemn Israel's bombing of Gaza
>His wife committed loan fraud and nearly bankrupted Burlington College while she was dean
>Despite being an "independent", he voted with Democratic Party 94.1% of 324 votes
>He voted NO on building a fence along the Mexican border.
>He voted NO on declaring English as the official language of the US government.
>He voted NO on decreasing gun waiting period from 3 days to 1
>He voted YES on banning high-capacity magazines of over 10 rounds.
>rated F by the NRA
>He Voted YES on Congressional pay raise.
>He voted YES on $84 million grant for Black and Hispanic colleges
>rated 97% by the NAACP for pro-affirmative action stance
>He voted YES on additional $825 billion for economic recovery package
>He voted YES on addtional $192 billion stimulus spending
>>58016730
You didn't even read my post nigger
>>58016726
>>58016727
>>58016728
>look at me and my special snowflake politics xD
>hurr durr I am le liberul gun owner
>I buy my guns with muh welfare checks
>I support the 2nd amendment even though I will vote for Hillury Clintin
>>58016727
>muh college
>muh universal healthcare
It's like these were things accessible to those who wanted it before the government decided to get into student loans and health insurance policies. Kill yourself
>>58016732
THIS
fuck off SJWs
>>58016727
>free healthcare
Please stop with this. Look at Canada and how fucking flooded their system is now.
>phony "leftists" ITT
makes me sick, tbqhwyf
Pro-gun libertarian-socialist here.
>>58016733
>>58016732
>>58016730
How about you three shills go fuck off first.
And anyways, the Democrat party aren't really leftests, more like a statist centrist party with some left leaning individuals mixed in there. Its the nature of a two party system.
>>58016736
>Pro-gun libertarian-socialist here.
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA, IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT HERE FUCK OFF BACK TO NORTH KOREA IF YOU LIKE SOCIALISM SO MUCH, YOU SJW FAGGOT
>>58016736
>Muh magic leftist politics are perfect, other people are the problem!
>Democrats are right wing centrists!
Seriously?
>>58016737
Wait is he handing them out or taking them?
>>58016736
>Calls "himself" a "libertarian-socialist"
>doesn't do anything in "his" "life" that would remotely entail "libertarian-socialism"
>>58016736
>libertarian-socialist
6/10 made me reply
>>58016736
>inb4 he goes to polticalcompass.org and he is one square in the left wing and one square below authoritianism and calls himself a "libertarian socialist"
Look at you! Aren't you just another special little faggot snowflake. Feel free to join
>>58016726
>>58016727
>>58016728
In a sweet group suicide
>>58016739
I'd assume it's soviet propaganda trying to clean up all the stray firearms left over after the civil war.
>>58016740
Disagreeing with the does not magically prevent you from being subject to it.
>>58016737
AHAHAHAHA CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL
MY HEAD IS IN DIRECT PROPORTION TO MY RAGE
I AM SILLY
>>58016730
>>He not only wants full amnesty for all illegal immigrants currently in the US, but also wants to raise the cap of immigrants currently allowed entry every year
>Despite his anti-war rhetoric, he supported the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia, leading to the resignation of one of his anti-war staffers
>He voted to authorize funds for the war in Iraq and Afghanistan despite publicly opposing those wars
>He colluded with Chris Dodd to completely gut Ron Paul's Audit the Fed bill when it was introduced to the Senate
>He told a woman "Excuse me! Shut up! You don’t have the microphone.” when she asked him at a town hall meeting why he refused to condemn Israel's bombing of Gaza
>His wife committed loan fraud and nearly bankrupted Burlington College while she was dean
>Despite being an "independent", he voted with Democratic Party 94.1% of 324 votes
>He voted NO on building a fence along the Mexican border.
>He voted NO on declaring English as the official language of the US government.
>He Voted YES on Congressional pay raise.
>He voted YES on $84 million grant for Black and Hispanic colleges
>rated 97% by the NAACP for pro-affirmative action stance
>He voted YES on additional $825 billion for economic recovery package
>He voted YES on addtional $192 billion stimulus spending
what do these have to do with guns?
>>58016736
>libertarian
>socialist
I don't think you understand what any of that means.
>>58016743
Whoops forgot a word. Disagreeing with the SYSTEM does not magically prevent you from being subject to it.
You guys should do better at encouraging liberals to own guns, instead of attacking them for their other politics.
By attacking leftists who like guns, you are kinda on the anti-gun side of this current debate.
>>58016726
I definitely am.
>>58016746
Read a book, nigger. Your knowledge of political science must stem entirely from your high school government class.
>>58016726
I used to be. But I've pretty well had the liberalism beaten out of me with a shovel. Everything I used to believe in or look at with an indulgent eye has been weaponized and used to attack -- of, pretty much everything.
Any gun owner or believer in the Constitutional rule of law who votes Democrat at this point is merely a Good German. Full stop.
>>58016748#>>58016748
>you are kinda on the anti-gun side of this current debate.
>le no true scotman
fuck off SJW
America is so fucked.
You guys shouldn't be allowed to own guns. Everyone else? Have at it. But America?
>>58016728
>everyone always flips their shit when they find out I love guns and I'm voting for [spoilersdontwork]Bernie.[/spoilersdontwork]
I wonder why, faggot
>>58016748
No, we shouldn't encourage cancerous liberal politics or its apologists in any way you retard.
"Progressives" (what an ironic term) are the problem with this country, and the rest of the world for that matter.
>>58016751
Spoken like a true fascist.
>>58016755
>having this much disdain for your fellow americans
You're part of the problem tbqh
>>58016736
>libertarian socialist
>democrats are centrists
>>58016755
see
>>58016756
> anyone who doesn't agree with everything I say should die
See you at the cross-burning, Adolf.
>>58016736
>Pro-gun libertarian-socialist here.
AYY LMAO
>>58016756
What, the first amendment doesn't apply to fascists as well? They dindu nuffin, Hitler just gives them a bad name. Isn't there room for all parts of the political spectrum in our nifty little melting pot of cultures and politics in America?
I thought that is what liberals believed?
Except it isn't, because liberals in America are the most totalitarian, fascist, racist, oppressive group of idiots in the country.
I saw this thread and hoped that it would have educated discussions of how people of different political leanings could share a common goal of preserving gun rights. Then I remembered this is 4chan after 2012.
>>58016753
I'm not even gonna bite. But I know someone else will. And that just makes it even funnier.
>>58016756
>>58016759
>See you at the cross-burning, Adolf.
>Spoken like a true fascist.
>Says the guy who Legitimately believes the Holodomor and the Purges didn't happen
>Says the guys who's ideology supports having sex with children
>>58016759
Sounds good, catch you later at the midnight murders of dissidents, Stalin
>>58016761
Yes and on the opposite end you have the Republican voters would would doom themselves and everyone else to a future of exploitation by corporate and military-industrial interests who hold our economy in a vice.
>>58016761
m8 that's clearly not the position of the republican party either, so you can't really throw stones
>>58016726
Yes. I'm thinking about getting my CC in a few years
>>58016762
Go back to Reddit
Liberals have no interest in preserving your gun rights you naive little faggot
>>58016756
All I said was that if you vote Democrat, you're collaborating with them because you feel getting your way on Social Issues is more important than your 2nd Amendment rights. That's pretty self evident at this point. Where did I threaten to bring the power of Der Party and Der Staat down on your head and disenfranchise, murder, or imprison you for the crime of disagreeing with me?
Or is the Millenial definition? WAHHH I DON'T LIKE WHAT YOU SAID YER FASCIST. Is that it...?
>>58016761
You can say whatever you want. Don't be surprised when you're called out for being the piece of dog shit you are though.
>>58016730
I think it's hilarious when confused Democrats who haven't yet realized how shit their party is try to trot out this old Jew as an example of a pro gun democrat
>>58016766
>muh ebil corporations
>>58016767
What does the Republican Party have anything to do with >>58016756 being so full of shit his eyes are turning brown
>>58016770
> he thinks non-Democrats protect his rights in, general, any better
That's adorable.
>>58016773
You derided Democrats for not tolerating different cultures and ideologies. That's something the Republican party is failing at least as hard at.
>>58016771
Look at how tolerant you are you little gun owner liberal you! You call those you disagree with dog shit! You must be a swell guy, can you read me a Marx bedtime story?
This is, by definition, a /pol/ thread and needs to be deleted.
>>58016778
TRIGGERED
>>58016776
I wasn't claiming they did
>>58016777
Single most hypocritical post I've read on /k/ in months.
>>58016773
>muh ebil corporations
But that's exactly the case, anon. You exist in a system where you allow the few to profit from your labor at a rate exponentially higher than you are compensated for it.
>>58016777
Please don't associate American "liberals" with Marx, he'd want nothing to do with them.
>>58016781
nope, found a new contender
>>58016778
Not quite enough shitposters for this to be /pol/ tbqh familia.
>>58016782
>he'd want nothing to do with them.
I bet he'd also own a spaceship and a own pet monkey from venus
Take it to >>>/pol/
>>58016781
Nice you get a gold star now
Actually you don't, since you're equal to the rest of your peasant proletariat comrades
>>58016782
He says posting from his computer or cell phone made from cheap southeast Asian labor. You're not making a very good case for yourself. In fact, some might even call that hypocritical what you are doing.
>>58016783
>>58016787
Leftist circlejerks are allowed now. didn't you get the memo, broski's?
I'm seriously convinced the bernie sanders campaign is a fucking cult
This isn't >>>/pol/
Man. This thread.
This is the problem with a two party system.
Shit just IS NOT THAT BINARY.
Canuckfag here, and I know our 3.1 party system is not much better, but this is why I have an agonizing decision every fucking election.
You can be leftist on some things, while being right on others. Things are literally never that simple.
I support healthcare
I am against social programs
I am 100% pro choice
And 100% anti vegan.
I hunt and love firearms
I think people should be allowed to fuck or marry whoever the hell they want.
I also think anyone telling me what I can say or what pronoun to use can fucking take a bottle of drano and call me in the morning.
I think the gov. Should stay the fuck out of our business
I think our country should be OUR country and immigrants are welcome, but until they are full citizens, should not have all the benefits of our tax dollars
I think a lot of drugs should be legalized, the drinking age dropped to maybe 14, and drinking on the street be made legal.
I think if someone commits a crime because they cannot handle their high, they should have the fucking book thrown at them.
Anyways, you see? None of this shit contradicts each other, but it really makes a mess out of the liberal/conservative bullshit. Even a political cartesian plane does not REALLY cover it. Too many factors to consider.
Guns are the right of all proles.
>>58016789
> implying this thread isn't also full of those well to the right of the median American right
Also, >>>/pol/
>>58016788
>He says posting from his computer or cell phone made from cheap southeast Asian labor. You're not making a very good case for yourself. In fact, some might even call that hypocritical what you are doing.
Trying to live the life of a socialist in a capitalist country doesn't work. If you think it does, then you're one of the many reasons Americans shouldn't be allowed weapons.
>>58016786
Modern American leftists are the worst ideologically repressive, culturally regressive, blatantly authoritarian influence to blight this continent since the Monarchy.
Marx had the decency to engage his ideological rivals in debate, rather than scream and shout and attempt to silence them.
>>58016788
>you cannot disagree with a system that you are subject to
Nobody's going to bring about a revolution in a hippie commune, and by engaging other laborers in dialogue you can help spread awareness :^)
/pol/ is such a terrible place to discuss actual politics though.
>>58016792
And as a sidenote? We are all here for our love of firearms. Shitting all over each other is a shameful way to divide us. We need to stand strong and united, because noguns would have us all turning in our knives at state-sanctioned bins if we let them.
Ultra-left here.
Fuck leninists and liberals.
>>58016797
Hippie communes routinely underwent "revolutions". Way to have no idea what you're saying.
>>58016772
His only campaign platform is promising taxpayer shekels to senile welfare leeches, worthless college liberal arts majors, and niggers.
I'm not surprised he's polling so high among demkeks.
>>58016792
No, it sounds like you are just an idiot.
>I support healthcare
>I am against social programs
State sponsored health care is a social program.
>The government should mind it's own business
>except where I want them to do things that serve my own self interests
>>58016726
Socially I'm pretty far to the left, but I find it hard to buy some of the economic ideas (I see spending your way out of debt to be like fucking your way out of AIDS, when it's just hucked around and spent on random bullshit instead of solid investments that quickly produce long term cost savings), as well as this shit about how no one can have their feelings hurt, and no one is responsible for their own actions. But I still think it'd be better for everyone if the government did things like help poor people go to school (trade schools, not fucking B.A.s in Philosophy) and take care of the environment (market forces tend to favor causing ecological damage, so free markets won't help). Fiscally, fairly conservative.
Also, if you have a dick, stay out of the women's restroom. Seriously. You wanna piss in the ladies' room, have someone split your dick and call you Caitlin.
Picrelated: SJWs promulgating LGBT policy.
>>58016792
>I am 100% pro choice
So you support killing children who cannot defend themselves?
>I think people should be allowed to fuck or marry whoever the hell they want.
>I think a lot of drugs should be legalized, the drinking age dropped to maybe 14, and drinking on the street be made legal.
So you support pedophilia?
SJWs are such psychopaths
>>58016798
/k/ is worse. And it's more cancerous here. /pol/ is the containment board for this exact kind of thread.
>>58016726
This thread:
>"Hey guys I pick and choose the policies that make sense to me as a human being rather than forcing myself to prescribe fully to one side politically, anyone else?" -OP
>"GET FUCKED POORFAG LIBERAL SJW WELFARE SOCIALIST BERNIEKEK" -average assmad Fox News cumguzzling /k/ anon
Moderates ftw.
>>58016807
EVERBODY POST MODERATES
>>58016807
Good thing 4chan is the worst barometer of actual public opinion. Nothing said here is representative or actually worthwhile.
>>58016803
Or you oversimplified my point to be an argumentative cunt.
Healthcare up here is already in place. It stops people from dying when they get fucking wrecked.
Social programs that help lazy people be lazy by paying for you to be jobless however, is bullshit. It is a matter of DEGREES. Not a binary black and white thing.
Thanks for making my point for me.
>>58016796
So move to a new country then and preach about your socialist ideals there you faggot
Except you don't, because they are just that, ideals. You don't actually care, living in the US where you can criticize the very system that enables you to criticize it. Moving to any number of socialist shitholes wouldn't be convienient or easy for you, so you will just sit back and tell everyone about your "theories" and "ideals" that are never once put into practice.
>>58016807
>Fox News
>not subscribing to Conservative Tribune and Daily Stormer
CVCKSIMVS MAXIMVS
>>58016809
It's like all this behavior is frowned upon in the real world and people only do it here because they know they can.
>>58016807
HERES A MODERATE
>>58016810
So you support "social progams" that you have grown up taking advantage of, but not the ones you think other people don't benefit from?
Man it must hurt to be your brain.
>>58016807
MORE MODERATES
>>58016805
Pffffff... Good lord man, listen to the bullshit you are spewing.
I was going to reply. But honestly, that post was so full of over the top logical leaps, that I assume you are just flat out retarded, or are a WAY too eager troll.
Come on now, that is some "gay marriage causes hurricanes" level insanity.
>>58016792
You.
I like you.
On social programs, I say they need to get better at booting out freeloaders, then I'd be all for them. It's supposed to be a safety net, not a fucking hammock. But so long as someone is just temporarily fucked, sure, help 'em out. Better for everyone that they be back up to speed and paying taxes (read: contributing) as fast as possible.
>>58016737
>>58016738
>>58016740
>>58016741
>>58016742
>>58016746
>>58016758
>>58016760
You all are some ignorant motherfuckers who have absolutely no fucking idea what you're talking about. Grab your favorite handgat, fingerfuck the fuck out of it, load one in the chamber and put a bullet through your skulls. No one will care. Please, do us and the genepool a favor and eliminate yourselves.
>>58016726
your daily reminder that the Left once was on the side of the white working class male
gonna post some pics while dinner is a'cookin'
>>58016815
No. I support social programs that stop people from DYING. I do not support social programs that allow people to be lazy.
If you are living an unpleasant or uncomfortable life, that is on you to fix it.
If you are about to die, you shouldn't have to choose death vs. debt slavery.
It is like you are deliberately TRYING to not understand
>>58016808
When did feminism move from the idea of equal social treatment of women to be a practice of bigotry and dehumanization based on linguistic attribution? It's disgusting. This modern "feminism" unwinds everything the past generations fought for.
>>58016819
More liberal tolerance showing its true colors
>>58016819
>taking the b8
>>58016819
>we will not tolerate intolerance
>>58016817
How is it bullshit, you were implying that hit should be legal for a guy to get a 14 year old drunk, have the guy bring the 14 year old back to his apartment, rape the kid, and you want it to be legal cuz you believe "love has no boundries"
>>58016800
My nigga. DeLeon, Luxemburg, and Debs are bae
>>58016821
What about the morbidly obese and willfully unhealthy who get treated for preventable illnesses like lung disease or type 2 diabetes? Still love healthcare? Because those are things people can prevent, but plenty of times choose not to.
>>58016820
Sparticist Militia in Germany during WW1
>>58016821
Don't social programs keep people from starving, or dying from exposure on the street?
What about a social program that provided enough money for high quality meals so that poor people wouldn't eat poorly and die from diseases caused by poor nutrition.
Or do you only support social programs that you use?
In the actual meaning of the word "right-wing" being pro-monarchist and "left wing" being republican, then the entirety of America is "left wing"
It's only since idiots who think representation of transsexuals in the media is super important and gender/race quotas are a good idea in any way hijacked "left wing" that we've all started to avoid the term.
tl;dr Washington was left wing
>>58016823
>liberal
try again
>>58016825
It's one thing to be intolerant, it's entirely another thing to be ignorant of a topic/ideology and still be intolerant of it.
>>58016826
Pretty big logical leap to assume a lower drinking age and gay marriage = fucking pedofilia.
It would have to be a troll, otherwise it is just full blown learning disability.
>>58016821
So you support that debt being passed on to society? Face it, sometimes people's time just comes too early, and artificially prolonging a life that will steadily degrade and live a miserable existence is simply a waste of resources.
>>58016829
Black Army unit in Ukraine
>>58016799
I'd love that, except for some of you are actually thinking of voting for Bernie Sanders.
Bernie.
Sanders.
>>58016833
I suppose this was a mental fever dream then, SJW
>>58016835
Nestor Makhno FTW. Fuckin Reds ruining everything.
>>58016831
Wow it's almost like the words meanings have changed over the years when it comes to American politics you fucking moron
>>58016827
Not a leftcom, actually.
But they're OK, sometimes. I'm a tiqqunista, more-or-less.
>>58016835
Nestor Makhno invented the first technical, the Tachanka.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestor_Makhno
>>58016839
>almost like the words meanings have changed over the years
You mean people had words changed to fit their agendas (case in point the label "libertarian")
>>58016837
>when his Russian mother sold him for $8000
>>58016840
>tiqqunista
?????
>>58016831
Washington, and consequently the rest of the founding fathers, were protecting their unique way of life against the British who wanted to take away their rights.
American independence existed far earlier than the War for Independence.
>>58016839
>It's almost like people have changed the meanings of words to suit their agenda
ftfy
>>58016726
Read these books by Thomas Sowell
- Basic economics
- Black Liberals and White Liberals
>>58016828
That is an unfortunate situation, but when people do that, they are assholes, but it is an unfortunate symptom of the fact that people are retarded.
>>58016830
I wish I COULD support those programs, and see the theoretical value, but as long as they are abused so heavily, they are of no use. If you fall so far as to collapse on the street of malnutrition, then I would prefer that you not die, and get treatment at a hospital. But until that point, it is up to you to fucking sack up and do it yourself.
I would also like to note that I was living on the street myself for 3 or 4 years. And I sacked up and got myself out of it. No programs, no bullshit. So I know FIRSTHAND that it is possible. It gives me just about 0% empathy for street people, because I have been there, and I know they have the ability to unfuck themselves.
>>58016822
>When did feminism move from the idea of equal social treatment of women to be a practice of bigotry and dehumanization based on linguistic attribution?
1992, or shortly thereafter. Third-wave Feminism is the one based on backlash against perceived social failures in gender equality.
>>58016845
>American independence existed far earlier than the War for Independence.
Yeah, that's why a full half of the population were pro-British or indifferent to independence right?
>>58016846
Are you me?
I posted >>58016842
Where the fuck is a janitor when you actually need one?
>>58016848
>It gives me just about 0% empathy for street people, because I have been there, and I know they have the ability to unfuck themselves.
So if you can do it, everyone should be able to do it?
Interesting
>>58016841
I am a feminist communist anarchist republican monarchist.
I sexually identify as a Tachanka.
My pronouns are da and vodka.
>>58016852
/k/ is the new containment board
>>58016844
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiqqun
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Coming_Insurrection
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomism
Can give a decent idea of where my politics jump off from.
>>58016820
>on the side of the white working class male
No, that was the Nazis
>>58016835
>>58016841
Fuck yeah, Makhnovism!
Anarcho-Socialism would be one hell of an ideal to live up to, but it would be impossible to achieve in a post-agrarian, post-industrial society. Everything in this country centers on service industry of some sort these days, which makes syndicalism pretty much impossible.
>>58016837
And a lot of creepy straight couples turn out to be pedos.
The issue is with pedos, you moron. They're horrible people. In fact damn near everything in that article was nauseating. The pedo ring, the mother who sold the child.
But you should realize that by using a couple of sick fucks to say gay couples are bad, you are literally applying the same logic that the boguns use to paint all of us as babby-killing mass shooters. You see the comparison of your logic to theirs, right?
>>58016850
Please, Loyalists made up maybe 15-20%.
>>58016859
>But you should realize that by using a couple of sick fucks to say gay couples are bad, you are literally applying the same logic that the boguns use to paint all of us as babby-killing mass shooters. You see the comparison of your logic to theirs, right?
>MUH NOT TRUE SCOTSMAN
fuck off, SJW
>>>/lgbt/
>>>/revleft/
>>>/tumblr/
>>58016853
Yep. I am nothing overly exceptional.
Short of crippling mental illness, which healthcare provides treatment for, then absolutely if I could do it, so could they.
>>58016856
>>>
>It is the French transcription of the original Hebrew term Tikkun olam, a concept issuing from Judaism, often used in the kabbalistic and messianic traditions, which simultaneously indicates reparation, restitution, and redemption. >It has also come to designate, more broadly, a contemporary Jewish conception of social justice.
Oh lawdy jebeus.
>>58016860
Yeah, and a large chunk didn't give a fuck either way, did you misread my post intentionally?
>>58016726
Me for the most part.
I kinda roll more to the left, but I do consider myself more of a moderate than left wing faggot.
>>58016730
Also THIS FUCKING SHIT
the meme president kind of seems like better than the other front runners
I want more of muh freedoms and other shit done here but fuck this anti weapons shit.
Probably says "clips"
Probably says "assault rifle 15"
Probably thinks 90% of guns will be used in a homocide.
Fuck that. This is America not amerikek
>>58016859
>paint all of us as babby-killing mass shooters.
you literally said you want it to be legal and socially acceptable to fuck toddlers, you can't say shit
>>58016861
I don't think you used No True Scotsman correctly.
>>58016867
>If you don't support us fucking children you are anti gun
>>58016866
No, he didn't. He said the opposite, in fact.
>The issue is with pedos, you moron. They're horrible people.
>>58016848
>I was living on the street myself for 3 or 4 years.
Were you one of those kids who hangs out during the summer with unwashed thrift shop clothes, ratty dog, and a collection tin for your starbucks money? And then you begrudgingly go back home to your folk's place whenever it gets too cold? Or did you legitimately live on the streets with nothing. Because for a lot of people without a home, way to get clean (physically I mean, not drugs/alcohol), food, computer, etc, getting employed is near impossible. Especially now, when you're competing with a bunch of unemployed kids trying to enter the workforce who are already leaps ahead of you. Not saying its impossible, just that it's not so easy as you're making it sound for the truly homeless.
>>58016861
Seriously? You actually don't see that your logic is exactly the same? We condemn it when they use it, and rightfully so, because it is painfully stupid. But here you are. Using the same logic as those fucks that want our guns. Unironically. I hope against hope that you are just a troll or shitposter, because otherwise it scares me that someone as stupid as you is in posession of firearms. Or is allowed to drive. Or be out in public places around human people.
>>58016866
>I'm so mad I can't even read
>>58016863
>being so scared of Jews you're triggered by the sight of a word rooted in Hebrew
>>58016868
No, what was said was:
Saying that all homosexuals are going to molest or sexually assault children, is just as logically fallacious as saying all gun owners are going to commit murder or go on a spree shooting.
>>58016870
>Because for a lot of people without a home
A lot of people without a home suffer from mental illness.
>>58016869
Only because he was put under pressure, in a couple of years he'll be on the streets with a placard screaming about how "pedosexuals" are an oppressed "minority"
>>58016871
see
>>58016868
then fuck off SJW
>>58016819
Well that wasn't a very kind thing of you to say.
>>58016859
Homosexuality is a direct failure to compete in natural selection. No, I don't intrinsically hate homosexuals, as they are able to contribute to society without reproducing, but it should be treated as the mental disease it is and not something to be proud of.
Gun ownership allows all law abiding, productive citizens to protect themselves against criminals, harvest wild game, and increases the abilities of a resistance group in the event of a foreign occupation.
The two interest groups do not have even remotely similar levels of value, and the SJWing of homosexual activists and their overwhelming support of the Democratic Party (which has pushed most gun control legislation on both state and federal levels) means they should be repudiated by all members of the gun owning community
We can't discuss swat team weapons and tactics because "it belongs in /pol/"
But this gets to stay
>>58016870
Actual nothing. I managed to scrape enough money from returned cans and bottles to get a sleeping bag from canuckistan tire, and camped innawoods around suburban areas. Trekked in to scrounge in bins and in the winter, used to find poorly-secured warehouses and places to camp in. After a few years of this, I went to the pubkic library, applied for a live-away mining job online, worked my way through several jobs and homes to here. Landowner and husband. Not yet father, though.
So don't fucking talk to me about how hard it is to get out. It is hard, but you fucking do it anyways. LIFE IS HARD.
I believe in individual freedom and liberties
Sometimes those are left leaning (abortion, gay marriage, etc.)
>>58016870
Not >>58016848, but I was a street kid for about three years. And, I gotta say, even though I made it, I still agree with you totally. After three years of traveling, squatting, and generally fucking my life up, it was a goddamn miracle that I was able to get back into the world. And even now, almost ten years later, I'm still a good five years behind where I should be, if you use my high school graduating class as a metric. Hell, I'm still behind all the fucking oogle kids you're talking about, who were using trust fund cash to keep everyone flush with cheap booze and drugs. And I'm not gonna knock 'em for their choices - hell, some of them even had apartments I could crash at, paid for by the Bank of M&D - but I am gonna call them out every time they give a speech about how "it's not that hard to get out of the streetlife". Yeah, not when you've already got money to start your new life. But it took me eight years in a bullshit job I hated to get stable enough to transition to a career I have an actual future in. It's a lot fucking harder starting from zero.
>>58016879
Did you know that homosexuality exists in nature and is not the product of humanity or society?
>>58016726
>being a leftard
kys
>>58016880
That happened?
Fucking hell...
>>58016884
Cannibalism also exists in nature
>>58016884
Many forms of mental retardation exist in nature
Most are undesirable for society
>>58016726
I'm a leftie because well, in New Zealand, national infrastructure that was built by the government should remain in government ownership. It's really better for us.
I'm also into climate change (My house is one fucking metre above sea level), science, pro-gmo (not that anyone knows where that goes on a political spectrum)
I just want guns and the ability do what I want.
In other places, I'm weird oddball, like I'd support the government and city councils taking over public transportation, the electricity industry, and really trying to make the national railway make some goddamn money instead of sitting there getting kicked in the balls by the trucking industry day-in day-out.
>>58016879
>Homosexuality is a direct failure to compete in natural selection.
I don't think that works.
1. Members of a species don't get to choose whether or not to compete in natural selection.
2. Failure of two gays to reproduce can't be natural selection trying to put an end to their line, since two gays getting together is not what causes a homosexual offspring. In majority of cases it is two straight individuals who produce a gay child.
>>58016726
All the left will do is sell out all of your rights you love.
>>58016884
Did you know many species of rodent eat their own young?
I swear we need to make "nature fallacy" an official term.
>>58016888
It really has no effect of society, as gay man wasn't likely to father a child to begin with.
>>58016890
BAM! SCIENCED!
>>58016892
Animals practice pure natural selection, yet homosexuality still exists. It's not an appeal to nature as much as a straight refute of his thesis.
>>58016893
>it really has no effect on society
Consuming resources without reproducing the next generation is an intrinsic effect on society
The SJW culture among modern homosexuals is a pretty damn negative effect on modern society, even though it may not be intrinsic to homosexuality
>>58016726
>tfw I want all drugs legalized
>tfw I want not only same sex marriage but also bestiality and polygamy legal
>tfw I would like to see heavy regulation on big business
>tfw I want fewer wars
>tfw I want to protect the environment
>tfw I still vote Republican because I wouldn't trade muh guns for anything
>>58016745
>being this dedicated to shitposting
>>>/b/ you fucking aspie
>>58016896
Because all homos are SJWs amirite? You're deluded my man.
>>58016879
It seems like you're basing one's value and contribution to a society solely on the fact of whether or not they breed.
You also seem to be unaware that sexual orientation is not a sole indicator of one's political stances and affiliations.
>>58016729
Uhhh...income tax is a constitutional amendment.
>>58016879
Actually most of the gays I work with are REALLY republican. Just not on the gay marriage issue.
I don't know any young gays though. Just taxpaying over-40 gay professionals. But that may be a Canadian thing. Probably having unrestricted gay marriage attracted all the wealthy, aging gays, with naturally conservative views (due to their age). Go figure.
>>58016895
>Animals practice pure natural selection, yet homosexuality still exists.
Are they exclusively homosexual though?
Or are they "homosexual" in the same way that a dog will hump your left leg if its horny?
>>58016896
Pretty soon we'll all be living forever so it won't matter whether or not they're having kids
>>58016902
This. So many gay men flock to the armed services or law enforcement, probably drawn in by the uniforms and showers.
ITT: People who do not understand that, in being proponents of the Constitutional Right to Keep and Bear Arms, and staunch defenders and advocates of that self-same Right... They, too, are Social Justice Warriors
>>58016903
Let me check my records here on gay primates.
It says some of them are straight fags.
>>58016879
>I don't like thing
>Therefore it's mental illness
How many times has this been used as carte blanche to silence and dispose of political opponents...
I agree with you, I think whatever happens in the bedroom should stay in the bedroom, but you're painting with an awful wide brush there.
>Buh buh they're different it's mental illness
Mental illness is abnormality to the point it interferes with functioning in day to day life, which faggotry rarely if ever does.
>>58016901
So was prohibition
>>58016906
AHAHAHAHA!
I love it. I am going to start referring to myself as a leftist sjw, then when someone gets upset, or thinks that is great, I will explain, that I am anti-state, and fight fpr the right to bear arms!
>>58016896
>Consuming resources without reproducing the next generation is an intrinsic effect on society
So why aren't you stringing up most developed nations and Caucasians, since they're failing to reproduce at replacement level across the board?
And have you ever considered that past a certain point, having more is bad?
>>58016903
Exclusive homosexuality in the Animal Kingdom does exist. Domesticated sheep, in particular, are pretty prone to it.
Hot ram-on-ram action.
>>58016737
>north korea
>socialist
lol ok
>>58016909
Both are Constitutional, as both were/are part of the Constitution. Anything amended to the Constitution is by definition, Constitutional. Popularity doesn't affect it's Constitutionality, neither does your opinion.
>>58016912
>Domesticated sheep, in particular, are pretty prone to it.
>domesticated
>natural
pick 1
>>58016915
You were already told that some monkeys practice pure homosexuality. Go join in.
>>58016900
While reproduction is certainly not the only contribution required for a society, it is an important one, and a nations reproductive health directly impacts its ability to expand its borders and colonize, as well as ensuring sustainable, multi generational economic and social stability.
First world countries such as America need more people having kids, not less, in order to expand and perpetuate stable, productive societies.
>>58016916
>You were already told that some monkeys practice pure homosexuality
why do you SJWs lie so much?
>>58016914
Well forgive me for using poor wording. It can be in the Constitution but be wrong. Like our esteemed opposition is wont to point out at the wrong examples
>>58016917
>First world countries such as America need more people having kids, not less, in order to expand and perpetuate stable, productive societies.
Naw mate, this isn't Japan or Germany and there is no shortage of able bodies. Letting losers have unchecked amounts of loser kids leads to crime, poverty, and ultimately a drain on society. There's more to having a functional population than just pumping out babies. I can see that point is lost on you though.
>>58016916
Chimpanzees regularly beat-to-death weaker members of the group, can I do that too faggot?
Oh wait, beating faggots to death is wrong right? But monkeys do it!
>>58016911
>failing to reproduce at replacement levels across the board
This is a major failing of current Western society, and needs to be addressed.
Celebrating homosexuality as an acceptable choice and giving undue attention to those practicing it does not help the situation, and only wastes resources.
>>58016921
Again it wasn't an appeal to nature, it was me refuting anon's claim that homosexuality is a failure of natural selection. It's isn't, gay monkeys exist to this day.
>>58016922
>This is a major failing of current Western society, and needs to be addressed.
It's the price we pay for giving our women equal rights, I'd say its worth it (...right?)
>>58016915
Then, by this logic, nature's laws don't apply to man anyway. Anything you would consider "unnatural" no longer has bearing on the argument.
>wanting people to reproduce when the Earth is overpopulated as it is
>>58016920
>losers having unchecked amounts of loser kids
How about encouraging a similar reproductive rate across class lines, reducing the number of kids produced by "losers" and increasing the amount produced by desirable citizens?
Making the assumption (as you have) that societal contribution is based on genetics, and cannot be improved through better education and access to professional training.
>>58016926
>not wanting productive societies to reproduce and wipe out the shitskins causing overpopulation
>>58016926
>surpassing critical point of resource sustainability for the population
>"we're successful!"
>>58016928
>wipes out shitskins
>"fuck... now who's gonna make all my consumer goods for cheap?"
>>58016927
>Making the assumption (as you have) that societal contribution is based on genetics
If you somehow pulled this out of my post then you might not be giving a whole lot back to society yourself. It's kind of weird that you refuse to acknowledge the role nurture and society plays in raising upright citizens.
>>58016922
How do you propose fixing it, then?
Not having children is the rational choice. They're an incredible investment, a loss of freedom and years off your life, and you risk ruin if your wife at any point decides she's not 100% happy. Because she'll get the kids, the house, and a hefty monthly child support fee in the divorce - and that pro bono agreement is always signed under duress.
And even if you do beat the odds and see them through to maturity, your two motives for having them - so they'll support you in old age and continue the family line - stand a good chance of failing anyway when the little shits decide you didn't treat them right and forget about you, or decide they're furrysexuals and never have children of their own. Or both.
Tell me, what's the solution? How do we go back to the rabbit like third world reproduction rates, and continue fucking over the biosphere because there are already too many of us?
World populstion must be cut to 1/10th of what it currently is, capitalists are the modern left are one in the same, real conservatives recognize the overpopulation problem, the current driver in the US is immigration but globally africa needs to be dealt with.
>>58016930
>"fuck... now who's gonna make all my consumer goods for cheap?"
You mean the shit that keeps breaking after 6 months of use?
I'd rather go back to paying a lot for quality to be fucking honest.
Guys, this is a thread about leftists, not Homosexual chimpanzees.
>>58016932
Pre nupital agreement, that is.
Damnit
>>58016935
Most of /k/ can't tell the difference.
>>58016931
So would you be willing to accept that a higher rate of population growth in order to further expand our borders is good, provided kids are provided with educational and professional opportunities and discouraged from dissipation and degeneracy?
>>58016932
Throw off the yoke of an unbridled capitalist society, crash an economic system based on commodity and fiat money, and watch the world panic and burn.
And from the ashes of waste, return to the agrarian and mercantile ways of yore. Form independent small communities, free of leadership, and bound only by a mutually beneficial and agreed-upon social compact. Dissolve the Federal Republic into syndicalist communes and states. Let social and personal defense be the right and responsibility of every man and woman. Let those who produce, drive production and economy. Let Anarchism into your hearts!
>>58016938
No, manifest density is complete, there's nowhere left to expand our borders. We don't need large population growth to be successful as a nation anymore.
>>58016938
That... Sounds familiar...
>>58016939
>Form independent small communities, free of leadership, and bound only by a mutually beneficial and agreed-upon social compact.
I'll give it 30 years
>because I'll be the one to form the New Empire
>>58016939
You know, I wish you would have lead with this so I knew I'd be wasting my time and didn't bother
>>58016940
>nowhere left to expand our borders
What is Mexico? Kill those who stand in our way, expand the border south and resettle with our better educated white citizenry.
Pretty much what China is doing, just replace spics with Uighurs/Muslims and whites with Han Chinese
>>58016942
Really? 30? Damn, that's more than I was gonna give it, and it was my goddamn post.
Again, Anarcho-Socialism would be a sweet ideal. But once a people have lived in a world of empires, it's hard to remain defiant to their allure.
>>58016944
Oh I thought we were having a genuine conversation. I'll leave you to it then.
>>58016943
Oh, I'm a different guy completely. Just figured I'd offer my two red cents.
Sorry for interrupting.
>>58016946
Is he wrong though?
In it's centuries of existence Mexico hasn't managed to climb out of "shit-tier country"
>>58016948
They aren't quite shit tier, there is a fair amount of industry and such going on across the border from Texas because of our overinflated wages and lax import laws.
Juarez is pure shit though, this would be the place to start an invasion/purging, I doubt Mexico would miss them much anyway.
I am pretty far left (leftist libertarian and classic liberal) and I fully believe that a citizens right to reasonable self defenses (which means guns, aka the right to bare arms) is absolutely necessary for true personal liberty to exist.
The lefties that hate guns and don't understand practical self deference being a basic right are almost always collectivist progressives.
>>58016946
>can't come up with counterargument
Just admit it I'm right, even if our current crop of garbage politicians is mostly not up to the task
>>58016948
I'll entertain you both for one more post. If we stoop to the level of our ideological enemies, then we loose any moral high ground and advantage over them in world affairs. I doubt the fellows advocating for an invasion of Mexico and population control based on racial and genetic lines would care much about that.
>>58016944
China is mostly doing this by marginalizing minorities and forcing them out, not by directly killing them.
I see your point though, and while I would love to see a return to expansionism I doubt it will happen before America is marginalized by those who haven't fallen into our trap of pandering to degeneracy in the name of "democracy"
>>58016841
More Tachankas here.
>>58016952
>advantage over them in world affairs
Our advantage over Russia is because Western Europe has no desire to become neighbors with the Russian boogeyman, and therefore clings to America for help. They've still managed to maneuver themselves into an even worse situation with their present descent into the Caliphate though, ironically enough
We have no diplomatic leverage over China, and they constantly push back on our military leverage (artificial islands, backing for North Korea, moves against Vietnamese oil rigs, rampant theft of American intellectual property to name a few aspects)
>>58016955
I said good day.
>>58016956
And a good day to you as well Mr. Baggins
I like how this thread has evolved from political shitslinging, to debate over gays, to discussion of population management and finally colonialism
Been a good ride
You guys have me worried that you're ACTUALLY going to vote for Donald Trump. That makes me pretty disappointed.
>>58016958
I've always been planning on voting for Trump, and you should too.
A radical conservative in office will increase the chances of good legislation passing, while his more impractical ideas will be modified into a more realistic form by Congress and the bureaucracy
I'm more than left-leaning. I'm a left-wing anarchist and I'm as muh guns as any Trump-supporting rube.
>>58016751
<spolier> they aren't actually thinking or praying about the victims, they're just ignoring it hoping people will forget and then they won't have to actually make any hard decisions about how to fix the problem</spoiler>
>>58016958
He's got my vote.
>>58016726
I'm a gun toting meat eating war mongering environmentalist hippy. I love my guns, but I love my hunting and fishing grounds more.
Plus too many republicans in office are batshit crazy or hypocritical evangelicals.
Odin does not approve!
>>58016958
He's all that's on offer. He actually fights.
>>58016959
>>58016962
>>58016964
I just don't understand how you can support a guy with the emotional capacity of a five year old child. Can you imagine him in charge of foreign relations? Th dude acts like a fucking idiot. We'll be even more hated than we are now. And don't even get me started with this shit about building a wall or going full Nazi on every Muslim in America. Religious persecution? Really?
>>58016942
You'll have to contend with my Khan-ate! The golden horde descends upon you!
>>58016965
There is nothing morally wrong or legally ambiguous about controlling who comes into your country.
Far as I know, The Donald didn't say anything about deporting mudslimes -- just halting the arrival of more. As far as what wonderful people moderate everyday Muslims are, here. Skim this for a minute or two:
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/12/07/muslims-and-islam-key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/for-the-first-majority-muslim-us-city-residents-tense-about-its-future/2015/11/21/45d0ea96-8a24-11e5-be39-0034bb576eee_story.html
>>58016967
Why, though? According to your pew article, they make up less than 1% of the population. Why should we halt the arrival of more? They're clearly not "flooding" our cities or anything. Plus, discriminating against immigrants based on religion? Not morally wrong? Right. I'm sure the good ol forefathers are turning in their grave after reading that one.
>>58016968
You'd think if Muslims cared about the West they could take one for the team until ISIS is defeated no?
>>58016968
>1% of 360 million is insignificant
>people don't reproduce
May I remind you, that it has already been established by the supreme court that you can deny people from joining the United states for any reason.
Elk V. US
>>58016965
>going full nazi
>Godwins law
It would more be like going
>full FDR
+
>Actually securing the border
>>58016968
You didn't read either of them. Stop sperging and do five minutes' worth of research. Savages that believe by large pluralities that you should be stoned for fucking your GF and that faggots should be flung off tall buildings and that play their psychotic call to prayer at 6:00AM are not people I want as neighbors. Plus there's the whole poisoned M&M arguement. Ten M&M's are poisoned in the whole bowl. How many do you fucking eat? How many do you have your children eat?
These are valid concerns, even if you don't fully agree with them.
>>58016972
Hey Phil, is Islam is so great, why do they keep leaving their Islamic countries and coming to non-Islamic countries?
I can't rap my head around it bro, help me out here.
>>58016973
For the same reason liberals do: they wreck them and learn nothing because that would contradict their ideology.
The Syrians are not helpless Jews fleeing Nazi Germany. They are Good Germans fleeing a bombed out Berlin that they destroyed with their own hands.
I am a Lib-Socialist (Not the best description, but close enough)
And as Orwell said, The rifle is the symbol of Democracy, and it is to stay there.
When anyone tries to limit the right to bear arms, it can be seen as an attempt disarm us, so we are unable to fight if need be.
Plus, self defense is a nice bonus
>>58016972
"According to our best estimate, Muslims make up just less than 1% of the U.S. adult population. Pew Research Center’s 2014 Religious Landscape Study (conducted in English and Spanish) found that 0.9% of U.S. adults identify as Muslims."
This was straight from the first article you posted, hence my comment. I read them. I posted a statistic you gave me. This is the exact opposite of sperging, jesus.
>>58016970
>360 million
We have less than 320 million, but okay. And less than three million total in the entire US? How small of a population is insignificant? 300,000? 30,000?
>>58016969
All muslims, everywhere? In the pacific and everything? I don't see why they should have their lives limited by ISIS, just like I don't think I should have my life limited in any way by the Vatican, or some other religious group halfway across the world.
I just think if it was your religion being held in this scrutiny, you'd be much less complacent to just sit and watch as your own countrymen turn on you.
>>58016975
And the Brits failed to do their job. Look at them now.
>>58016976
God damn your worthless fucking attention deficit ass, SCROLL DOWN. READ the mother fucking thing.
>>58016976
>All muslims, everywhere? In the pacific and everything?
Yeah, everywhere, in the Pacific and everything.
They posses a large chunk of the earth, why do they need more?
Please don't misunderstand me, I'm willfully stating we need to commit an evil for the greater good.
>>58016977
Even if there was gun control, it should only be to limit those not of sound health and mind from obtaining, with no violent criminal history. That should have helped a fair bit with shooting
>>58016976
>I don't see why they should have their lives limited by ISIS, just like I don't think I should have my life limited in any way by the Vatican
You tried visiting Mecca lately, infidel?
>>58016820
Ya, the "anarchists" of Spain. The same fucks who instituted taxes, conscription and killed any civilian no matter how rich or poor that didn't want to give up their property or supplies.
>>58016858
Socialism is incompatible with anarchism.
>>58016977
What? What do you want me to see? I wasn't refuting the article in any way, I was just saying that they were less than 1% of the population. I've read both of them. Just make your points, whatever they are.
>>58016976
>And less than three million total in the entire US?
That is not at all a small population. Especially considering that when you introduce third worlders into the modern world, with vast amounts of wealth and even welfare, they have many children. Multiplying the number of non-citizens and the burdon upon society.
>How small of a population is insignificant?
There is no insignificant population.
>everywhere?
The Muslims and people "affected by ISIS" (most "refugees" to Europe are not), they have an obligation to take up arms and fight. They don't have a right to run to western civilization for a "better life"
>pacific and everything?
Would you like to live in any of those places?
>their lives limited by ISIS
I don't see why WE should have our lives limited by the actions of ISIS, and the choice of them to flee like children to the west.
They are noting but gimmigrants.
>my life limited in any way by the Vatican
The Vatican and ISIS are in no way comparable institutions. And in the end you would probably prefer Vatican > Califate.
>or some other religious group halfway across the world.
But anon, by letting "refugees" in you're allowing them control.
You know what gave them control? The power vaccume of us going around toppling every strong, secular leader who actually kept Islamic extremism suppressed. The absolute best reform in Islamic nations always comes from the "cruel brutal dictators". Atuturk for one example.
Assad, Gaddafi, Sadam, all of them. Great leaders for the middle eastern world. We had no reason to topple them.
>...you'd be much less complacent to just sit and watch as your own countrymen turn on you.
Muslims are not my countrymen, we've had problems with Muslims since 1801 with the Barbary pirates. I doubt that they would think we would be mad enough to allow them into the United States without the upmost scrutiny for their aggressive and savage religion.
Do we let tribal cannibals come into our states? No.
>>58016978
Oh. Well, there you go. I'm not, sorry for the misunderstanding!
>>58016979
Go to FBI.gov and browse expanded homicide charts #8 and #11 and tell me what farking problems you're trying to solve.
>>58016983
The percentages of Muslims that ardently support sharia law. For starters.
I swear to Christ, your generation is so pathologically unable to think empirically it's going to be the doom of the fucking world.
>>58016984
>>58016976
If you find confusion in my post, I have mixed up you referencing "Muslims" with "refugees that are Muslims as well as refugees".
Also, there is currently much disinformation surrounding the establishment clause of the first amendment.
Most can't even explain what it means.
>>58016982
Property Anarchism is socialist derived
Capitalism is incompatible with Anarchism
Capitalism is inherently hierarchical
>>58016988
Proper
Damn auto correct
>>58016726
Yes. I am liberal, I believe in a minimum income, I think gays should be able to get married, I believe abortions should be legal. I think legal punishment is wildly out of control, only serving to ruin lives and propagate further crime with essentially zero "rehabilitation".
I believe in open carry. I think full auto firearms are okay to own and be manufactured, I like the current tax stamp system, though I don't like how arbitrarily a CCW license or tax stamp will or will not be issued. I think flash suppressors, folding stocks and pistol grips are fine.
>>58016988
>Capitalism is inherently hierarchical
I hate to break it to you but most people are idiots that need to be told what to do.
>>58016984
>pacific and everything?
>Would you like to live in any of those places?
Like Malaysia? I'm sure a lot of muslims would like to live there. I just don't think we should be denying muslims that come from countries like that, like Trump would (indirectly) do with his sweeping "ban" on letting them in. They've literally done nothing wrong and have nothing to do with anything ISIS-related.
Your other points I'm just not going to refute because clearly we're two very different people, and I really don't think arguing will help us see eye to eye, ever. This one, at least, I think I can make you understand.
>>58016974
>>58016977
>>58016986
You know Phil you're a worthless cock gobbling tripfag piece of shit, but I agree with your stand on Muslims, and appreciate you taking the time to show the moronic liberals in this thread what's up.
>>58016990
>minimum income
...
I don't give a shit about the rest but nigga what the fuck.
If we are at the point to where society demands a minimum income, you are doing nothing but putting even more cash into the corperations hands. If this becomes existent, we have truly reached the ultimatum in a State Capitalist society.
I am laughing at how irony and oxymoron becomes reality.
It's not the system of cash flow that is broken, it's the entire monetary process.
>>58016992
Let them go to Maylasia, if Maylasia desires it. Their desires do not superceded the interest of the nation; no person should be able to /demand/ to live somewhere because of the situation in which they currently live.
If the "Muslims completely and totally unrelated to isis (despite what happened literally three weeks ago in France)" wish for a better life, they must make one themselves. If we have to force them by saying "you come here, you go into an internment camp or go back, once full, we're full" then so be it.
There is Zero justification for allowing ginmigrants to suck off the inheritances of the American Republic that it's people have inherited.
On the other hand, I can say the Mexicans have already accomplished that; so fuck it, let them in.
>>58016993
You're welcome.
>>58016992
Yeah, but the Muslims living in Malaysia aren't true Muslims.
See what I did there?
>>58016986
That they support sharia law in their own country? Yes, I saw it. I get the point you're trying to make, all petty insults about "my generation" aside. They'll all move here, reproduce like crazy, raise that less than 1% population to a majority with generations and generations of people, and then overtake the majority of all other races in the U.S. and enact sharia law? Right? That's what you think will happen?
>>58016996
Phil, what ever happened to the "I accidently a legal unregistered machine gun" case?
>>58016998
If it is ever at all possible, they should never be admitted.
They will be able to congregate into their own segregated communities and take control of local electorates, affecting those peoples safety and well being.
You already see this with France, Germany, UK, and Sweden.
>>58016998
You're hopeless. Fine, import reams and scads of religious fascists, a healthy proportion of whom will try to murder us. I hope they all move to your neighborhood and turn it into Dearborn.
>>58016999
Wat? Refresh my memory.
>>58017001
>man submits request for machine gun stamp
>accidently approved by some kind of fuck up
>guy builds muhchingun
>old ATF guy leaves
>new ATF guy comes in
>guy sees fuck up and tries to recend it
>oops, 5th amendment called, you can't break my contract that I had with another person
>goes to court
>court takes it away and says let us decide
I'm assuming it's stalled in court.
>>58017001
If you seriously, really and truly believe that that many Muslims are extremists, and that that many of that many are violent extremists, then YOU are the one who has trouble looking at the evidence. That's even leaving out the vast majorty of 2nd and 3rd generations who leave their old belief systems and integrate into their new country's superculture.
>>58016994
>If we are at the point to where society demands a minimum income, you are doing nothing but putting even more cash into the corperations hands.
To be clear, I support giving every citizen over 16 $1,000 a month.
To address your point, where else would it go? Naturally corporations are going to be the biggest businesses, sell the most products and make more money.
If minimum income happened millions of people would now be able to afford to live with a roommate, since that roommate also has $1,000. They would have money to pay fines or fees, avoiding damage to their life and hindering upwards growth. Funding a small business would be easier. You could eliminate food stamps, as food is considered in that $1,000
>>58017003
I believe the phrase is: "not worth the risk"
>>58017004
Yeah, eliminate most government services, and replace it with a single monthly lump sum.
The government would actually save more money doing that.
>>58016835
must be some of them light-skinned blacks I've heard so much about in Spike Lee films.
>>58017003
See France, Germany, Sweden and UK.
The Muslims are coming in too great of numbers to actually integrate.
They congregate into their own areas and establish their own seperate systems of laws, totally in violation of public policy, and abuse other citizens.
You're absolutly delusional.
>>58017004
Minimum wage is more than generous, I lived on it for 7 years (mainly because I'm not a retarded fuck).
>where else would it go
... I told you the system is already broken, you're just propping it up.
>arbitrary number of dollars
>every person over 16
Yes, let's start welfare slavery early, so they become dependent upon the state.
Did you ever read Touqeville and Franklin?
The American republic ends (ended) when the public finds they can vote themselves money.
Or.
The American republic will end when Congress finds they can bribe the public with the publics money.
No sense in it.
You need to do some actual reading and look at historical examples to blow your delusional position out of the water
>>58017003
>That's even leaving out the vast majorty of 2nd and 3rd generations who leave their old belief systems and integrate into their new country's superculture.
With the push for "multiculturalism" there is much less incentive for them to stop stoning their daughters to death and adopting Western values.
Just fucking accept it, you leftists fucked up and you'll see another genocide of Semitic peoples because of it.
>>58017002
I think they eventually let the ATF ruling stand. Anybody else recall?
>>58017003
>If you seriously, really and truly believe that that many Muslims are extremists,
I just showed you proof that massive pluralities of them worldwide are religious fascists. Water off a duck's back, apparently.
>and that that many of that many are violent extremists
The blood is still drying in Berdoo and Paris. And I see no Million Muslim march to protest.
>>58017006
Get your hands out of my pocket, you greedy little dipshit. I know it's your dream to be a NEET and have Uncle Sugar be your parents, but there isn't that much money in the fucking world.
>>58016730
>voted YES to congressional pay raise
That sounds worse than it is. Being a congressman actually entails a ton of expenses that are supposed to come out of the legislator's own pockets. Cutting things like travel reimbursements for congressmen has been financially devastating to the less wealthy who manage to get elected. Not paying them much sounds nice in principal, but it's fucking expensive to live in DC while still maintaining a home and office in your home state and traveling between the two frequently.
Congressional pay and benefits have to keep up with their expenses or you will only be able to elect super rich representatives.
>>58017010
>tfw Monarchist
>called a religious fascist
I will eat your children.
>>58017008
Those are much smaller countries with extreme-left viewpoints. Their anti-gentrification and placative policies were foolish and misguided, and I doubt the US would let that happen. I'm left-leaning, but I'm more moderate than anything. I view those refugee efforts as failures for the exact reasons you listed.
>>58017004
that's already happening $1000 a month - it's called SSI Disability - lots of people on it fake it.
>>58017010
>Liberalism go to hell
Well, I never thought I'd see the day I;d agree with these guys about something
>>58017008
>The American republic ends (ended) when the public finds they can vote themselves money.
>The American republic will end when Congress finds they can bribe the public with the publics money.
I understand what you're saying but I don't think it's a certain a fate as you assume. What do you think is the optimal economic reform?
>>58016726
>left
>pro-gun
Is it possible?
>>58017012
Don't go there, Yahoo.
>>58017017
READ THE THREAD FUCKWIT
On a more constructive note Marxism is built on armed revolution, so yes.
>>58017019
No, Marxism is built on genociding anyone who has two or more cows than you do.
>>58017013
... the US's space allows for exactly the thing I am saying.
Why is Gang violence so horrible in the US?
There are dangerous no-go zones.
>>58017016
Good ol' American isolationism. Semi-atuturk, for profit banking outlawed, receding of modern economic warfare and debt slavery, end of social welfare, closing of immigration, promotion of self sufficiency. And so on.
>>58017018
>complain about "tyrannical rulers"
>become one
I will, eat, your fucking children.
>>58016730
>>He told a woman "Excuse me! Shut up! You don’t have the microphone.” when she asked him at a town hall meeting why he refused to condemn Israel's bombing of Gaz
But let two black women conquer him and take over his microphone at a speech where he alone was meant to talk. Ha!
>>58016866
This is why people hate arguing with right-wingers, they regularly take a small, non-representative sample of a population (pedogays to gays, terrorists to Muslims) and act like it's the norm, and when this is pointed out, they never ever back down.
>>58017020
via armed revolution. I don't even think Marxism works, but it's an example of armed leftism nonetheless.
>>58017023
It's not non-representative. It's most of most of them. Look at >>58016974 and tell me honestly if fucking over those darn right-wingers is worth fucking over your country into the bargain.
>>58017023
>>>58016866
>This is why people hate arguing with leftt-wingers, they regularly take a small, non-representative sample of a population (modern free "liberated women" to traditional women, neo-nazis to Conservative) and act like it's the norm, and when this is pointed out, they never ever back down.
I can also insert "gun violence" or "domestic violence" or "racism" or "-phobias".
Anyway,
Incorrect, a shockingly high percentage of Muslims are in support of anti-western values (sharia law, outlawing other religions or forcing people to stay Muslims and so on) and... a disproportionate number of pedophiles are homosexuals. They just say "no he wasn't a homosexual because he molested girls too !" And so on.
The phrase is,
>not worth the risk
>>58017025
But Phil, those who support stoning people to death aren't TRUE Muslims.
It's 2015.
>>58017021
>Semi-atuturk
What
>for profit banking outlawed, receding of modern economic warfare and debt slavery
VERY on board with you here
>promotion of self-sufficiency
still with you
>closing of immigration
This is out of place. The others are purely economic, and this is purely social. Besides, employing immigrants and minorities for shit work no one wants to do has been commonplace for over a hundred years. Hell, we used to pay to ship them over here to do it.
>>58017026
I agree with you on all of your greentext points, I'm anti-generalization all the time. Also, if a guy molests girls, he's not gay, he's a pedo. He's attracted to their age, not their sex. That's kinda the entire point.
>>58017027
There is no limit to the ability of the deconstructionist Left to create a little alternate-world reality for themselves. Look at this shit. LOOK at it. If they went to the West bank they'd be put to death for faggotry, and they know it, they must... and look.
>>58016792
>he drinking age dropped to maybe 14,
Holy shit no. How the fuck can you think that'd be a good idea? Alcohol is bad, especially bad for kids and adolescents. Everybody knows teenagers are stupid; letting them drink alcohol is even more stupid.
>>58016805
>fetuses
>children
Pick one.
>>58017031
It would completely destroy neural pathway development and leave them literally more retarded than they otherwise would be.
>>58017030
Man, from a logical, rational, non-hypocritical standpoint I've been forced to objectively conclude that someone who is both pro-gay marriage and pro-Islamic immigration is clinically insane
>>58017032
>people with Down's Syndrome
>human
Pick one, can I go murdering downies now?
>>58017029
Sigh.
>>58017028
Semi-atuturk is what I was describing.
Immigration is directly againts the interests of the nation. The people of the nation must be self sufficient; including birth rates.
Everything is economics.
I also want an internal fiat currency and an external bartering system.
What I REALLY want is a monarchy.
>>58017032
>fetus
>not a life
The only reason I support abortion is because it keeps minorities from over running us.
Look at the crime drop after row v wade.
>>58017034
I like to say that it's more just being anti-exclusionary. America is a nation of immigrants, and a lot of its hard work has been built on the back of immigrants. To close the borders when it becomes inconvenient is extremely unprincipled.
>>58017035
Fetuses (up to the point of brain development) are fucking stem cells, a downey is at least alive and kicking.
>>58017037
>a lot of hard work has been done on the back of immigrants
Exactly, then let's stop doing it.
Your argument doesn't propose any solution; it's both the problem and the solution slew into one sentence of stupidity.
Also
Colonizers are not the same thing.
It was then their right on the date of November 15th, 1777 to deny any and all immigration by reasons of freedom of association, as well as a desire to retain national identity and self sufficiency.
THAT, is principal.
Not whatever shit you came up with.
>>58017037
>I like to say that it's more just being anti-exclusionary.
How about we let them in when Mecca and Medina are opened to non-Muslims?
Fair deal, no?
>inb4 thats just lowering us to their level anon!
I'm happy there are other leftists here and /k/ is not some right-wing hug box like /pol/ is.
>>58017038
>fetuses
Are still lives. Regardless of
>It's not developed!
If we go upon the classical doctrine of social contract, it is signed upon his conception.
>>58017038
>(up to the point of brain development)
Yet there are many who are pro-abortion past that point.
>>58017039
And they fucking didn't, in fact, people in the late 1800's and early 1900's imported Irish and Chinese here to do the shit jobs FOR them. What revisionist world are you living in?
>>58017041
>4/pol/
>"right wing" hug box
>literally just contrarianism run rampant and shitposting
/k/ used to be more "right wing" and then the whole reddit refugee crisis happened.
4chan has become victim of eternal September.
>>58017043
It's a good thing issues aren't all-or-nothing binary choices, then!
>this thread
oh wait...
>>58017040
>religious ceremony
>equivalent to an entire country
blatant false equivalence.
>>58017044
They didn't do what I am saying they should have done, and they were wrong to not do so.
So why should we keep doing it?
I'm not revising history.
>>58017047
That's your opinion, and that immigrants have provided valuable cheap labor over hundreds of years is mine. There is no reconciliation to be had here.
>>58017046
Mecca and Medina are not religious ceremonies you uncultured swine.
Anyway, you use your own "false eqivolence" of
>It's a baby
Or a
>fetus
When in the end it's a null argument, it is life.
>>58017046
>blatant false equivalence.
I'm merely stating that Muslims are so tolerant they'll give you 50 lashes for setting foot in their most sacred city (if you're lucky).
I believe we should treat them according to their own values, whats wrong with that exactly?
>>58017049
>stem cells are life
>skin cells are life
>all cells are life
a protozoan is not worth a human anon, and neither is a stem cell.
>>58017048
Sure, they have, but at the expense of themselves and the nation in terms of self sufficiency.
There is no principle in continuing harmful practices, that were discriminatory, racist, and ended up killing many, many people.
It would be best to never allow them into the position at all.
>>58016997
How are they not true Muslims?
>>58016995
>Implying that Malaysian Muslims weren't completely and totally unrelated to the Paris attacks
I don't know how they would be, but feel free to make a point here if you have one. Just seemed like you want an emotional trigger or something
I'd be in favor of properly vetting immigrants to try and discern their motives, but I don't think someone who's a casual Muslim shouldn't be denied admission to our country because of it.
Also,
>>58017003
Is not me, but he raises a good point. Isn't this the same argument that people use against gun owners? Not all of them are violent, but why take the risk? Don't we always say not to judge the actions of a small minority on the large majority?
>>58017051
A protozoa doesn't have the potential to develop into a human anon.
Take your reddit tier arguments back to where they came from.
A human fetus is a human life.
>>58017051
>I'll just draw the line here, that away abortion isn't murder!
Okay anon.
>>58017053
>How are they not true Muslims?
I think you missed the point of that post
>>58017050
I despise Islamic law in a lot of ways, but there are hundreds of thousands of Muslims that don't subscribe to those beliefs. There are Christians that don't subscribe to the belief of head coverings for women, as stated by Paul. They are not responsible for the actions of those who do, for example.
>>58017056
I got it, I just thought he was going to try and contribute to the debate instead of being cheeky.
>>58017055
Yes, I will because it's not. It's cessation of development. A life is not existent, so it cannot be ended, because it is stem cells.
Can everybody stop talking about muslims being 'true muslims' or not. (except when it comes to insulting ISIL, keep doing that)
I think its not so much a muslim thing, but rather a 'Wahhabist' thing, which makes it a 'Saudi Arabia' thing. Y'know, Americas best pal, Saudia Arabia. Right?
For example, I have never heard of a Dervish whirling into a crowd and exploding.
>>58017057
>but there are hundreds of thousands of Muslims that don't subscribe to those beliefs.
When was the last time you saw the Koran scrutinized in popular media?
Or Islam lampooned the way Christianity often is these days?
You can't draw even Muhammed without inviting a terrorist attack, and that my friend is something the entire Muslim population should wear.
>>58017060
>Can everybody stop talking about muslims being 'true muslims' or not. (except when it comes to insulting ISIL, keep doing that)
>stop it with the "no true Muslims thing please, except for these guys, these guys aren't true Muslims"
It's literally "no true Scotsman" but I bet you're being completely serious right now
>>58017061
And they do, every day. Their mosques are vandalized, their people are harassed and degraded, they're forced into ghettos and a whole host of other shit. I, as a human to a fellow human, do my best to judge each man on his own character and not on that of others, lest the same be done to me and my demographic.
>>58017053
>How are they not true Muslims?
He was making a joke about the common "leftist" use of " THOSE PEOPLE ARNT *REAL* MUSLIMS". Are you really this politically uninformed?
>>Implying that Malaysian Muslims weren't completely and totally unrelated to the Paris attacks
I am not talking about Malaysian Muslims anywhere in that post. It's very racist and xenophobic to think that Malaysian Muslims and Arab Muslims are different, we're all humans arnt we?
>I'd be in favor of properly vetting immigrants to try and discern their motives, but I don't think someone who's a casual Muslim shouldn't be denied admission to our country because of it.
That is apart of the vetting, their religion has shown to be overly aggressive, and inherently anti-wearern.
anon, do you like western civilization? Why should we let people in to the country who DON'T like western civilizations values?
Is western civilizations culture the reason western civilization is the most dominate and successful? Why should we let non-westerners or those that oppose it in?
>Also,
>>>58017003
>Is not me, but he raises a good point. Isn't this the same argument that people use against gun owners?
Go look at pew research data for Muslims, a large percentage of them of them would support sharia law. The problem with Muslims is COMPLACENCY. That is why their countries are shit, and require strong secular rulers.
Gun deaths in America are a non-issue. "Radical" islam, or islam as I call it, is a global issue.
>Not all of them are violent, but why take the risk?
Because the best way to stop a gun, is with another gun. You can't stop a Muslim, with another muslim.
>Don't we always say not to judge the actions of a small minority on the large majority?
It is not a small minority. Are you ready to get an anal ravaging of image dumps?
>>58017053
Man, sure is a MINORITY
A TINY MINORITY.
>>58017062
No, I meant it in a 'shitposting IRL is fine if its ISIL, fuck those guys' kind of way.
>>58017063
>Their mosques are vandalized, their people are harassed and degraded, they're forced into ghettos and a whole host of other shit.
What has the Sunni/Shia fighting got to do with this?
>>58016970
>May I remind you, that it has already been established by the supreme court that you can deny people from joining the United states for any reason.
What?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_Elk_v._United_States
>>58017064
>% of randos asked their opinion of shit they know nothing about, empirically.
Yeah I really care about this graph.
>>58017067
Nothing. That's the point. Blaming American Muslims for the actions of radicals in and directly from the Middle East is unjustified.
>>58017065
Sharia law can be defined in various ways though. most of its not as dramatic as you think.
I'm sure you could find some questionable stuff in common law from back in the day, doesn't exactly warrant a response of "OMG, he want's to establish COMMON LAW! What a fucking savage!"
>>58017053
Such a minority, tiny, insignificant.>>58017063
>>58017068
Sorry
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elk_v._Wilkins
Explicitly stated that
>No one can become a part of a nation without its consent.
>>58017069
>randos
Do you support democracy anon? Because that's what this principle is based off of. Do their opinions not matter?
Is pew not a respectable institution?
You're now in full denial mode.
What about this one?
>>58017070
But barring Muslim immigration from said Middle-East is a great evil?
>>58017071
Absolute, fucking denial.
HOW ABOUT THESE TWO ANON?
CAN YOU REDEFINE "STONING TO DEATH" TO MEAN "OH RUBBER STONES"?
CAN YOU ANON?
>>58017071
>I'm sure you could find some questionable stuff in common law from back in the day
>back in the day
So you admit they're 1000 years behind?
>>58017072
I'm not denying anything, but asking people who know nothing about nothing their opinion on a matter they cannot responsibly report on is useless. I don't give opinions on physics or complex math because I know nothing about them.
>>58017071
DOES IT CONCERN YOU THAT THE RELIGION THAT SPAWNED
THESE
>>58017074
>>58017072
>>58017065
>>58017064
"Tiny" "minority" OF AN OPINION WILL BE DOUBLE IN SIZE?
THAT MEANS 100% MORE OF THOSE OPINIONS, OF THOSE RADICALS.
SNAP OUT OF IT ANON.
>>58017074
And you don't want to punish adulterers?
>Bleeding heart commie.
>>58017074
Note that as the country gets more Western the numbers go down.
>>58017077
STOP SCREAMING. YOUR POINT DOES NOT GET MORE SALIENT BECAUSE YOU WROTE IT IN ALL CAPS.
>>58017064
I know, you idiot. I already said that in.
>>58017058
>>58017064
>"I am not talking about Malaysian Muslims anywhere in that post."
Let me refresh you on how standard conversation works. I said:
>"Like Malaysia? I'm sure a lot of muslims would like to live there. I just don't think we should be denying muslims that come from countries like that, like Trump would (indirectly) do with his sweeping "ban" on letting them in. They've literally done nothing wrong and have nothing to do with anything ISIS-related."
Is what I said, CLEARLY referencing malaysian muslims.
You replied to this, saying:
>"If the "Muslims completely and totally unrelated to isis (despite what happened literally three weeks ago in France)" wish for a better life, they must make one themselves."
It would kind of follow that you would also be talking about the same people that I was talking about. Seriously, man. You even addressed them as "The people completely and totally unrelated to ISIS", which I referred to Malaysian Muslims as, word for word, one post before that.
Also,
>Gun deaths in America are a non-issue.
Really? I'm all for keeping my rights and would never allow them to be stripped, but it's kind of an issue. A lot of people are dying. That's an issue.
>>58017076
That is WESTERNERS
SHOWING THEY ARE FEARFUL
OF RADICAL ISLAM, AND THAT IT IS A REAL PROBLEM.
PROBABLY BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN THE TARGET OF IT.
YOU HAVE STUCK YOUR FINGERS IN YOUR EARS AND SAID
>ANYONE WHO DOESN'T CONFORM IS A UNINFORMED BIGOT AND THEIR FORE THEIR OPINION DOESN'T COUNT
YOU, HAVE AN ABSOLUTE, TOTALITARIAN IDEOLOGY.
What about death penalty anon? Do they mean a "spiritual" death?
>>58017079
NOTE THAT IT IS NOT.
A.
"TINY"
"INSIGNIFICANT"
"MINORITY".
NOTE THAT THEIR POPULATION WILL DOUBLE. NOTE THAT YOU ARE IN COMPLETE DENIAL MODE
>>58017080
I'm done.
I am not dealing with this any longer.
You are bending over your back to defend these unwashed, barbaric, infantile, shits.
You're worse than they could ever be.
Yuri brezmov was right.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bX3EZCVj2XA
the wool has been glued over your eyes.
>>58017082
Sperglord has left the building.
>>58017074
I would stone people for adultery
>>58017081
>which I referred to Malaysian Muslims as
Why exactly are you pushing the "Malaysian Muslims" thing anyway?
I know they're a great example of a decent Muslim country but lets not forget they were guided by the glorious hand of the British Empire for a long time and based a lot of their government off of Common Law/ Westminster.
If you ask me I agree Trump should have said "Ban Muslims *from the Middle East*"
>>58017074
>Corporal punishment.
Eh, that one doesn't bother me depending what the corporal punishment is. I'd rather get a paddling than a jail sentence desu.
>stoning adultery
That's worrying and backwards, but if any of them try it here they will get jailed and possibly executed. So I don't see it being an issue.
>>58017082
Good riddance man, you need to calm the fuck down.
>>58017085
Not that guy, but I believe that potentially extreme views should, and would, be curbed in a western society.
>>58017036
>>fetus
>>not a life
No one said that but you.
>people with Down's Syndrome
>human
No one said that but you.
You two need to make your strawmen more subtle.
Fetuses are not children. When you say children it means toddlers and whatnot. Actual people out of a womb. Do not conflate fetuses with children, it simply isn't an accurate comparison. Just like you don't call a teenager a senior.
>>58017085
I'm only pushing it because he *didn't* say "Ban Muslims *from the Middle East*". He said to ban admitting them all.
That's literally the only reason.
He's just kind of assuming that all Muslims are from the Middle East, and so he's turning them all away. It's like he doesn't realize that most of them don't live in the Middle East, and have very little if not nothing to do with the whole ISIS conflict.
>>58017088
I wholeheartedly believe they would.
The problem is you need to add the word "eventually", and is it worth the wait? We gain nothing from it, as far as I can tell.
>>58016859
fun fact: aids patient zero was a minor
>>58017081
>a lot of people dying
Anon, do the math for your percentage of being murdered with a gun is by.
Then come back and do your percentage of death from cardiovascular disease, cancer, ALS and so on.
It is, a, non, issue.
You are 5544x more likley of dying from being too fat, than from a gun.
Non. Issue.
>>58017090
I agree, the guy can't realpolitik for shit.
>>58017037
>America is a nation of immigrants,
I'm not a fucking immigrant. Are you? My family has been in this country for four generations.
>and a lot of its hard work has been built on the back of immigrants
Back when we virtually enslaved the Chinese to build railroads and shit, yeah. Back in WW2 when we brought over a bunch of Mexicans to work, yeah. But today, or for the past 40 years? No.
>To close the borders when it becomes inconvenient is
entirely within our rights. There's nothing wrong with it.
>>58017089
I did not make the second statement.
I simply said that a fetus is a human life, regardless of you trying to say it is not.
>>58017055
>I'll just draw the line here, that away abortion is murder!
Okay anon.
>>58017089
Of course, all I ever said what it's a beautiful doublethink people accept these days.
>I'm pregnant
>so?
>that means I'll have a baby
>hey, if we kill it before its a baby thats okay
>you're right, lets kill it now so we're morally justified
>>58017091
"Worth" nothing, if they want to immigrate, and they meet the legal requirements, it's literally illegal to keep them out. Not everything has to be a net gain all the time, society doesn't work that way.
>>58017095
>what are mexicans building all your houses and doing a bunch of shit jobs like plumbing, electrical, etc.
>>58017099
>"Worth" nothing, if they want to immigrate, and they meet the legal requirements, it's literally illegal to keep them out.
>and they meet legal requirments
>change those "requirements" to non-Muslim
>thats literally it
There you go, what you going to do now?
>>58017097
Actually no, the hard line is Abortion itself.
He is apposed to all abortion by principle, you are opposed by some arbitrary line
>>>/reddit/
>>58017087
>>58017083
>can't refute anything
>continues to be delusional and make justifications for Islam
"Leftism" is a mental disease.
>>58017099
>It's literally illegal to keep them out if they meet the "requirements"
No it isnt. The president and Congress has the athority under the national Immigration and Naturalization act to deny any groups of people that would be potentially harmful to the nation.
You are politically illeterate
>>58017101
that's discriminatory on a whole bunch of levels, but I can see you just don't give a shit.
>>58017102
Hm. I will admit to not being aware of that act, thank you for pointing it out to me.
>>58016879
>but it should be treated as the mental disease it is and not something to be proud of.
People say this exact same thing about gun owners. That's the big reason I'm not in favor of background checks for mental health, all it takes is one doctor to decide that wanting "a large arsenal of deadly weapons" is a weird fetish or disorder and uses it against you to deem you mentally unsound. They could then disqualify you from owning said guns, and you'd be fucked. I like to think it wouldn't happen, but I've heard some real shit from the nofunz side.
>>58017100
>what is he is completely opposed to it but has no control of it.
Can you even think?
>>58017103
It's discriminatory to deny felons the right to own a gun, because they chose to commit a crime
It's discriminatory to prevent cannibals from Africa to practice cannibalism.
Discrimination is not bad, nor illegal.
>>58017106
You said for the last 40 years immigrants have not played a significant role in the infrastructure of out country. I pointed out how you were wrong.
>>58017105
The difference is Gun ownership is based upon natural rights, homosexuality is not.
Homosexuality is still, by technical aspects, a mental disease.
http://www.behaviorismandmentalhealth.com/2011/10/08/homosexuality-the-mental-illness-that-went-away/
Tl;dr "leftists" used terror tactics and threats to get it removed.
The APA is also no longer a valid source for sexualities or gender disorders.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/former-president-of-apa-says-organization-controlled-by-gay-rights-movement
>>58016988
Hate to break it to you mang, but you are never going to get rid of hierarchy. Also capitalism is voluntary and represents a larger dynamic of choice and prosperity. The opposite is true with socialism, which requires a state in order to function.
>>58017107
I did not say such a thing.
He did.
I am telling you it is beyond our control, the elites of the nation auctioned us off to the cheapest bidder. And you unironically support them, while you live your cushy middle class lifestyle.
>>58017110
Anons arguing with anons can get confusing, what can I say.
>>58017103
I'm playing the devils advocate, that's all I ever do here.
>>58017111
I understand.
I have become frustrated in this thread already, I apologize for my vehemence.
>>58017108
> protesting aggressively is a terror tactic
Jesus man.
>>58017103
>that's discriminatory on a whole bunch of levels
So is Islam
>>58017114
>interrupting discussions
>silencing opinions
>issuing death threats
And so on.
That is terror and totalitarian ideology
>*sniff*
>>58017116
None of that is sourced within the articles you posted.
>>58017117
Quick doublepost because its almost 2 AM and im tired. There will always be members of social movement that go too far and do things the rest of the movement dislikes. Fringe elements are bad, yes, and should be quashed, but that doesn't make the work the bulk of the activists do illegitimate.
>>58017093
"According to FBI crime statistics, there were 9,146 murders by firearm in 2009. Like death by accidental gun discharge, death rates for assault by firearm in the U.S. are also disproportionate to similar countries"
It's listed as the 10th most likely way to die in the U.S., might even disqualify suicide, as the list I checked has suicide in it's own category.
I'm not sure if dying from obesity is what they call it, officially, but if you meant heart disease, it's 1 in 6. Cancer is 1 in 7
Those are the most likely ways to die in America.
I'd say all of them are probably issues. Anything we can solve easily? Perhaps not. But don't pretend that gun deaths don't matter because you choose to ignore them.
>>58017119
I correct my statement, the category was death via "Assault by firearm". Suicide and accidental discharge are most likely not included, that's straight up homicide.
Why do I even come to these threads and exhaust myself arguing in them. No one will ever change their mind based on them, odds are.
>>58017108
Homosexuality is much more natural than gun ownership. We, and we alone, willingly granted ourselves gun ownership. It's something we created. No animals (to my knowledge) are "immune" to homosexuality.
>>58017122
No primates at least, and a whole shit ton of other mammals and some bird.
>>58017121
Hope springs eternal. As does RAEG.
>>58017117
Anything I show you to support it you'll claim as invalid.
It's very hard to obtain this information 40 years later.
>>58017118
It was completely and entirely illegitimate.
there was no real basis for the removal of Homosexuality other than
>Muh feels
>>58017119
>>58017120
Suicide is not a valid statstic, and accidental discharge is insignificant.
I fucked up my math, but you are 70x more likley to die by cardiovascular disease than you are by a gun.
You've got 10 things to solve before you get to "solving gun violence".
Of which the solutions proposed have empirically proven to never work.
>>58017122
>homosexuality isn't a mental illness because it appears in other animals
Homosexuality in humans is a product of wealth and leasiure
>>58017123
Are you saying that primates, other mammals, and birds are immune to homosexuality? Or are you agreeing with me and listing examples? Your wording was a little unclear to me, sorry.
>>58017124
Scram you filthy peasant.
Or I'll cook your little spawns and eat them.
>>58017125
Was the black rights movement illigitimate because of Malcom X and the Black Panthers? How about Women's Suffrage? Denying social causes because you disagree with them is not a road I want to go down.
>>58017126
>homosexuality
>homo-man
>sexuality- sexuality
Stop using that word for animal behaviour.
>>58017126
Agreeing. Sorry it's 1:30 AM and my contacts are dry im probably shouldnt be awake right now.
>>58017128
Embracing mandatory social change because "it's 2015" is not a road I want to go down either
>>58017128
Being black is not a mental disease.
There was a civil basis for extending civil liberties to African Americans; there was no scientific basis for removing homosexuality from the DSM.
I actually like Malcom X.
>>58017129
Male primates fucking other male primates is, for the sake of argument, a good place to start debunking the "failure of evolution" hypothesis.
>>58017125
>You've got 10 things to solve before you get to "solving gun violence".
It's the tenth most likely way to die. IT'S AN ISSUE. It might not be the biggest, most prominent issue, but IT'S AN ISSUE. Are you delusional? It's not like we should just turn a blind eye to it until we completely remove death by cancer, heart disease, stroke, vehicle accidents, suicide, accidental poisoning, falls, or exposure to narcotics. We have huge hotlines and outreach groups for suicide awareness, but it's #5. Is it an issue yet?
>>58017131
Neither me, but that
s not what I;m saying, and if you and >>58017132
were up to date on homosexual research, you'd see that that's not the case.
>>58017134
No. Not unless you choose to make it one. With all of the inevitable fallout.
>>58017134
>It's the tenth most likely way to die.
Sure, if you're literally a nigger
>>58017130
Gotcha. You should try and save up for lasik if you can, man. I had it about 6 months ago and went from -3.0 in my right eye and -3.5 in my left for contacts to having 20/15 vision that's under a warranty for the rest of my life, provided I check my eyes every year. It's really life changing.
>>58017134
I say we solve the biggest issues first, those that affect the greatest number of people; while keeping those that we have developed in place.
As we work our way down we begin to resolve them.
Cancer we might have to skip over a bit.
>>58017135
>homosexual
>"research"
Homosexuals declaring themselves perfectly sane and normal is not valid.
Also saying something to the affect of
>YOU'RE JUST MISINFORMED
is not an argument.
>>58017138
To young, gotta wait to stabilize first
>19 before it gets asked.
>>58017129
Sorry, "homosexual behavior" in animals. What do you call them?
>>58017139
>All sexual psychologists are gay
Ok.
There's literally no other response to this, because you actually seem to believe it,
>>58017139
>Homosexuals declaring themselves perfectly sane and normal is not valid.
Seriously man, who fucking cares? Let the babies have their bottle.
Gay marriage woo hoo, so brave etc. it doesn't matter really.
>>58017140
Dude. I'm 19. I had it when I was 18! But I get it, it can be tough to come up with that money at this age anyways hahaha.
>>58017141
That dude's being a retard, homo in the latin means man, in the greek it means same.
>>58017141
>What do you call them?
Animals.
>>58017145
I figured that it was his last ditch effort to refute my point anyways, he's pretty much done at this point.
>>58017145
>That dude's being a retard
No I'm not, a "homosexual animal" is an oxymoron
>>58017146
The behavior, not the animals. And as I pointed out here >>58017145, the homo in homosexual is greek, not latin.
>>58017146
And what do you call an animals behavior of same-gendered sexual interaction? Many highly accredited research institutions call it homosexual behavior. Homo can mean same. Such as homozygous in genetics.
>>58017148
You have the wrong dead language, dipshit, you're wrong.
>>58017150
>And what do you call an animals behavior of same-gendered sexual interaction?
I call it acting like an animal.
>>58017151
How do you defend heterosexual, then? Does hetero mean man too?
>>58017153
...
Homo
in the latin
means man
it has not opposite
Homo
in the greek
means same
it has an opposite, hetero
that means opposite
are you dense.
homo sapiens is latin
homosexual is partially greek.
>>58017153
Woops, I mean to link
>>58017148
>>58017155
Ok I was so confused by that. I almost refused to believe that someone could be that dense. Then I remembered that I was on 4chan, where /pol/ exists.
>>58017154
Nah man, I'm on your side, I just accidentally replied to the wrong comment. I'm saying homo means same, don't worry hahaha. That other guy is pretty dense though.
>>58017156
So "homosexual" translates more as "same-sexual" rather than "man-sexual"?
>>58017157
>>58017156
>dense
No, just ignorant.
I always thought homosexual was like Homo-Erectus (Man-Erect)
>>58017158
Exactly.
>>58017159
Common mistake, it's all ok. I didn't call you dense, for reference, and I wish the other guy wouldn't have.
>>58017154
/blinks sleepily
I'm relieved they still teach this stuff.
God save you and all your good works, sir.
>>58016958
Oh I'm voting Trump. Crazy people make awesome presidents. At the minimum I'll be free of boredom for a few years.
