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You can only post ITT if your country is bombing the ever-living fuck out of Syria.
Non-coalition scrubs keep out.
>tornado
literally 30 years old junk
One of the first nations to join yanks reporting in
Aye
>>57346171
>>57346618
>>57346694
f am <3
>>57346532
verpiss dich
>>57347382
Luftwaffe has more Tornados than anyone. They are old junk and need huge maintenance.
>>57346171
Does it count if one's country is dropping bombs full of leaflets warning people not to drive trucks for ISIS?
Does the nato led coalition have authority to operate in syrian airspace or is it still only valid for the iraqi airspace?
>>57346171
Good job, Britbros.
Can I post but then leave unfin
>>57347535
So buy some F-35s :^)
>>57347781
Our Military is incapable of making good decisions.
We don't even have our own jet-program. Even Sweden has one.
>You can only post ITT if your country is bombing the ever-living fuck out of Syria.
So, only Russians can post ITT? You know, since the coalition is basically just trying to push ISIS westward toward Assad rather than defeat them. The Anglosphere is a cancer on this world.
>>57346171
We were.
Then a dank smelly cloud wash over our country and our jets
>Drop a few dozen bombs on ISIS
>Won't do anything about turkey that's harboring them.
Why the fuck are we wasting our time.
>>57348189
Syria is just the playoffs for WW3.
>>57347535
Don't you have Stukas anymore, Goymoney? Those things are sexual
>>57347578
Who would even give them that authority? Yes they are operating in Syria, against the wishes of Assad.
>>57348108
#notallcanadians
>>57348108
Normally Canadian posters are shit, this is probably the best Canadian post I've seen in a while tbqhwy f@m
>>57347876
Why has Japan stood up after WW2 while Germany hasn't? Serious question.
Cultural differences?
I'd say geopolitical with China so close, but it's not like West Germany fielded anything worthwhile at the height of the cold war.
>>57349089
>Why has Japan stood up after WW2 while Germany hasn't? Serious question.
Socialism.
>>57348820
>Normally Canadian posters are shit
It's all toronto. Liberal stronghold. Would be great if a Toronto IP was given the toronto city flag in their posts
>>57349203
My girlfriend is from Toronto... I've never seen so many trannys and mudslimes in my life until visiting her parents.
>>57349457
But if they where trannies how would they give birth to your gf?
Calling bullshit burgerbro!
>>57349203
Anyone want to guess where on this map Toronto is?
>protip, liberals are red, conservatives are blue
>>57348820
here's the rule of thumb regarding canadian posters: if it's a shitpost they are either from toronto, montréal, or vancouver
everywhere else is alright
>no aerial tactical superiority
>l-lets send troops over to train iran foot soldiers
>t-that way it looks like were doing something!!
My government is piss poor retarded.
>>57349089
>Why has Japan stood up after WW2 while Germany hasn't?
Because when they massacred people, it was chinks, and hence no one cared.
Anglos aren’t to be celebrated.
They are the problem.
How do we solve the Anglo problem?
Anglos are a race of inferior people with no accomplishments, a low IQ and a vile and greedy character comparable to the average jew.
They're also unable to feel empathy and are strictly against Aryans, no matter how much our race has accomplished
How do we clean these subhuman apes from the surface of this planet?
C-can i? I think we are makeing some pictures of syria, right? But at least we're importing some bombs i guess.
>>57350048
Still mad that no one took your claims to all of England "cos my doggerland" seriously?
Anglos are simply better than Aryans and its high time you came to realise this, you'd think Britain getting the all time high score in the game would affirm this but no you shitters just cant handle being beat now can ya! xD
>>57347876
Your rulers are afeared of strong military leaders and their based rocket planes.
>>57350048
>be american
>get shot
>be swedish
>get raped
>be german
>get enriched
>be dutch
>who fucking gives a shit
>>57348069
Hello Russian shill on proxy.
You retards do know that ISIS is gaining territory since Russia started bombing in Syria right?
>>57349089
Half of Germany was occupied by Russians. That half is 30 years behind the western side. Improving it takes trillions of $ and decades of work.
This is why S.Korea don't give a fuck about unifying the country.
>>57348283
Nah, it's still regular season. Now, a flare up with NATO in Eastern Europe or a happening in the south China sea would be playoffs.
>>57346532
Germoney mad jelly his country can only fly auxiliary missions because it'd be classed as treason to bomb other muslim brothers
>>57348069
This desu. Russians come in and start making progress while Daesh has only grown stronger with Western bombing.
>>57346171
spending money we dont have to bomb cavemen
wooooooooooo
>>57346171
I mean, even we're in the "coalition of good"
>bombing "ISIS" (read: the SAA) with a hyper-strict ROE
>directly impeding Russian efforts against Islamists
>helping anyone
We may be doing it for all the wrong reasons, but us pulling out of Syria is a good thing. We should be bombing Turkey instead.
>>57346171
>You can only post ITT if you're interfering with Russian operations in Syria
>You can only post ITT if you're anglo scum getting ready to start WWIII by flying jets in the same airspace as russians
Fuck you
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>War in the Middle East creates chaos and refugees as far back as the original 2002 War on Iraq.
>Do more bombings.
lol
>that disgusting asymmetrical loadout
>>57351842
ISIS is gaining ground you fucking idiot.
Russians are bombing FSA while both ISIS and Assad gang on them.
Putin is doing the same shit as Erdogan with Kurds, but it's okay when Russians do it right?
>>57346532
When you are dealing with a bunch of Sand monkeys with 1960's soviet equipment it makes perfect sense to use our older less modern but still impressive stock.
Why would we spare no expense at purging a bunch of muslim shit stains when we can do it for cheap.
We keep the good stuff in reserve in case you "master race" kekolds ever need to be given a good seeing too like we did on 14/02, and with merkel and her EU 4th Reich now would seem like no better time.
>>57346171
The state of the Anglosphere:
>Canada
DUDE WEED LMAO
CURRENT YEAR
>America
#FeeltheTurd
>UK
Ahmed my son
>Australia
Not doing bad compared to the rest
>New Zealand
Australia 2.0
Where's Israel? They been bombing Syria the longest.
>>57346171
If you haven't downed Russian plane yet, please stop posting.
>create ISIS
>pretend to bomb them
>supposedly redpilled /pol/ falls for it
meaningless theatre for the sheep
America created and arms ISIS and we are guilty by association
We should stop meddling and let Russia remove fundamentalist kebab
>>57352386
Holy shit fuck off you fucking retarded anti-white U.S bootlicking faggot. Go fight against the U.S occupation of your country instead of eternally whining about Russians you fucking butthurt retard.
>>57346171
>literally 30 years old junk
The average service length for a fighter seems to be around 40 years, so I guess that means it still has a decade left to go.
>>57352493
Imagine a world without t*rks
>>57352541
Problem reaction solution.
The problem was never so much with islam but in arse blasted liberal kekolds condemning us for bombing it out of existence.
>>57346171
I think you are exaggerating when you say bombing the ever-living fuck out of Syria. Britain has only flown 2 sorties, yes a grand total of 2 sorties over Syria. It will only provide 8 planes in total to bomb Syrian targets. If each plane was to fly 4 times a day, which is unlikely it would still only amount to a total 32 sorties per day over a land area 2/3 the size of Great Britain. Not exactly shock and awe is it. More like a token contribution.
>>57354838
32x3 paveways each pave way costing 22k = 2.112 million per day, more than a token contribution.
>>57354838
Thats 200%more than ireland ya potato
>>57355729
Check these dubs
>>57355290
I'm not try to knock Britain's contribution, I actually applaud it but just because it costs 2.1 million per day and probably more than that when you factor in support costs it doesn't mean its going to be effective. People are getting carried away with these airstrikes, thinking they are going to solve everything. I hope they are successful and I wish the British pilots all the best.
>>57356001
>lets not bomb terrorists because it may cost money
You're starting to sound like a jew/corbynite
>>57356381
I think he's say you need to a a zero or to after the 8 for numbers of planes you're sending.
>>57346171
>bomb 50 oil trucks
>we launched 50 air strikes today
>mfw i have no face
>implying
>>57356381
I think you don't understand a fucking thing I've said. Spend 2 billion a day if your country wants to and bomb the fucking place into the ground. I'm saying 8 fighters over an area 2/3 the size of Britain isn't a massive amount of firepower in the grand scheme of things. I applaud what Britain is doing but it isn't a game changer. It sounds good but is it really going to do the job.
>>57352729
Tonkas are being phased out properly from 2016/17
>>57358456
You'll never take my tonkas no matter what year it is commie.
>>57356001
Well I don't think Britain should be playing the role of world police but we sure do back those that do, after all we held that title for quite some time.
With the American economy buckling under the weight of its own grandeur and lack of foundation (this oil money will last forever hurrdurr) perhaps us joining in will be more of a symbolic gesture of Russia being the new world police #1 super power?
That having been said I'm still not certain where Britain stands, the deals with China and air striking Syria makes me feel like we're on side with the east but these cold war proxies is making everything oh so confusing, which may be exactly what is intended too......
Its all rather messy.
I would hope to see Britain side with Russia though, America has been an unruly hypocritical child as of late and standing by what we created may not be the best stance to take moving forward.
>>57351620
fucking savage
>>57346171
>bombing
Well, it's fucking nothing.
You guys inform me when >we start crucifying the fuckers in the streets of their cities, or nuking ISIS so hard that The Great Glass Desert will become a thing.
>>57346171
Hold on there little buddy ... Why are germanic jews like the royal brittish family considered anglo ? And not immediately discredited by the real anglo population.
>>57349967
Stop cutting our fucking budget then. Go to the defence white paper meetings and demand more funding for the nzdf. Im nz air force and next year our budget is getting cut again, HQ joint forces comes up with plans to buy this shit but we keep getting the chop from Bill English.
Training troops is the best political move we can do at the moment, and bombing campaigns are extremely expensive and do little to advance a war front
our 5 guys are traning people in iraq only is that ok? SAS is there most probably too but they never reveal anything
After they blow our airbus in Egypt, each morning i woke up hearing this TU "white swan" 160 going to remove kebabs.
>>57360499
1NZSAS are not currently deployed
>>57351240
>be british
>get molested
>>57346532
we don't even know what the fuck they are doing in syria they aren't bombing they say they provide aerial reconnaissance but what can 30yo pieces of shit see what satellites don't
ursula has literary no Idea how modern warfare works
>>57360659
You sure?
>tfw no bombers
>>57360850
Female leaders are absolutely incompetent, ours sold all of our attack aircraft so at least you still have any at all
>>57360435
Pretty sure we won't ever get a manned combat wing again, apart from P-8s if we're VERY lucky.
>>57360960
topest kek of all our aircrafts are less then 50% working I think she didn't understood what aircraft maintenance is and just cancelled the budget on this
Tu 160, Tu95 and Su34 has there fisrt fight in Syria.
>>57360435
AMX or textron scorpions plz. I might even pee myself in excitement.
>>57361191
Oh fuck I can see /o/ laughing at this
>>57361191
I think Helen Clark figured out how much of a bitch aircraft maintenance is and decided it wasn't worth it.
We have a population of a bit over 4 million. We don't have the resources to set up a proper logistical supply chain to deploy aircraft anywhere and we're just going to have to deal with that fact. We're either part of a coalition, and thus rely on allied air support, or we're peacekeeping in Timor or some similar shithole and don't need it.
>>57346171
N-N-NO! STOP IT GOYS! THIS ISN'T A 'You can only post ITT if your country won a war against the UK' thread!
I-I-i mean... r-right ON /b/rothers!! Bomb those dune coons!!
If you didn't cheat then who does the white thong belong to?
>>57361268
>Ayy Lmao: The Aircraft
>>57347876
Saab stronk
>>57361704
you see, comrade, when plane is like flying saucer it can remove kebab while avoiding detection
>>57361704
That title can only belong to one plane.
>>57360985
P8s arent really a combat aircraft. No more so than p3s which already are equipped for aams and agms (neither of which we own any stock for).
The Nh90s however are undergoing trials for more armament. Specifically to make it have gunship capability for coin ops
>>57346532
Germany are still flying the tornado
>>57361499
The maintenance is fine, the costs come from higher up. When they buy aircraft that we are not able to maintain ourselves.
For example, the a4 intellectual properties were all sold to us along with the equipment. The new helicopters however are not able to have their systems checked by nz maintenance, they have to liase with NHI or AW and have them consult for guidance. Dor example, it costs $25000 every time for us to send a radio unit for testing to AW, but we finally got the IP for it and built our own test set for <$1000. Now imagine these costs for all new aircraft on all systems and you see where the costs go. Buying aircraft that we can maintain entirely on our own is extremely cheap
>>57362186
the pinnacle of human achievement
>>57362266
Yeah I didn't mean like strategic bombing, CAS or air superiority obviously.
Just as you say our current P3s are barely armed as it is.
>>57361268
can we expect to see t-50s anytime soon?
>>57362266
>P8s arent really a combat aircraft.
They have torpedo launchers and technology for detecting submarines. It can deploy both active and passive sonar bouys and listen for signals that a submarine might be sending or receiving. Most importantly, however, the plane contains a "diesel sniffer" which can detect subtle chemical reactions in the air from a diesel submarine operating in the area. There is also a magnetic anomaly detector than can be used to confirm if a sub is there if the P8 gets suspicious. And of course, the P8 can visually spot a submarine which has surfaced.
>>57362488
Aircraft we can maintain ourselves gives us what? Air to ground support that is significantly worse than what any coalition could provide us anyway. It's simply not a good use of money for us when you look at the kind of work our military does.
It's the same reason we don't have MBTs.
>>57362796
We dont have MBTs because we cant deploy them anywhere without asking someone else to move them and they are not helpful in our environment.
>>57361499
even Australia does this, they get priority support from a US Apache squadron in Afghanistan cause they joined the war early, no need to own them yourself especially when you fighting another countries war for them.
what about our little country?
america told us to ship our old AKs and granade launchers to "moderate opposition" in Syria a few years ago
now the same weapons are probably used for slaughtering civilians and syrian patriots
>>57362910
main thing NZ needs is navy frigates for all the polys they have to look after, plus search and rescue aircraft, cargo planes, then for troops just some light transport vehicles and helos
>>57362776
Everything you listed is already a capability the orion has. The only thing the orion does not use is the actual offensive armament (torpedos, agms, aams).
>>57362796
The type of work we do is HADR. But often while providing aid there are insurgencies and other forces so we do have a need for coin or cas type aircraft. Saving money in any area is always good but we have made some costly decisions lately as an organisation which is being rectified over the next 15 years
>>57346171
Bombing them so more can come to youre country gj mate.
Hey, can somebody do me a solid and tell me what this is?
>>57362631
>Bomb sandniggers with air domination fighter
For what reason?
>>57346171
AUSTRALIA FUCK YEAH
>>57346171
>Sends two bombers that drop exactly 2 bombs
>Thinks he's the shit
>>57352729
I was thinking about this the other day, how come jets haven't advanced as much as they did from 1945-1970?
The difference between a WW2 and 1970 fighter is night and day, but the difference between a 1970 and 2015 fighter really isn't that different.
>>57363487
A tampon
>>57361268
PLATI
>>57363648
No revolutionary advances in science, just evolutionary improvements in engineering.
It will stay the same until science makes some major new technology possible, a new propulsion system, space flight capability, lasers, optical cloaking, super AI for drones, etc.
>>57346532
As is the F-15, F-16, Mirage 2000, Su-27, F-18, B-1, B-2, Tu-22, Tu-160, and 75% of the makeup of almost every air force on this planet. And let's not even mention the ones that have been in service for more than half a century, like the B-52, Tu-95, and the countless military variants of the boeing 707.
The cost of replacing all of your legacy aircraft does not justify the modest gain in capability, especially when they still get the job done just fine.
>>57363718
TO WHO?
>>57363576
For lulz.
Also indian niggers already ask us let them some t50s for test in Syria.
http://vz.ru/news/2015/9/12/766501.html
>>57362186
The batarang?
>>57363837
The F-15 and F-16 are more like 40 years old, anon, and that's being generous so that the old girls don't get offended.
I love those two beautiful ladies, though.
>>57363487
This intrigued me, so I did a bit of googling
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LITENING
>>57363867
PUS
>>57363896
Article doesn't say they want to test it in Syria. They just ask to let their pilots test them. Nothing about Syria actually.
>>57346171
Siding with ISIS... you and your fucking c u c k country!
>>57363955
hmm, wut?
You should capture terrorists and drop them on Raqqa.
>>57364116
Because it looks like a platypus.
>>57362631
Not operational.
>>57363812
Stealth was a pretty revolutionary advancement in technology when it was first developed. Now it's become a fully matured technology, as can be seen in the cheap and easy to maintain stealth covering of the F-35. Obviously advancements like stealth aren't as "evident" to the public eye like the jump from piston propeller powered planes to gas turbine powered jet aircraft capable of breaking the sound barrier. It just looks like a more revolutionary advance to the average joe to see sleek fighter aircraft dart across the sky at lightning speed than something that can only be measured by decimals denoting radar cross section listed on an excel sheet.
>>57346171
But you're not, your planes aren't even there yet
Also
>Being proud of fighting based assad
You make me sick
> all this criticism of the german military mission
guys remember our troops are doing a valuable job down there. they provide high res 480p pictures with our 30year old equipment (we don't even know who will get access to these pics yet) and our frigate protects the french carrier from IS submarines and attack bombers
>>57364211
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-34992032
Already there and bombing.
>>57361268
i dont care about russia but the su34 is one sexy duck
>>57364036
Imagine.jpg
>>57364211
We started bombing last night you idiot.
Akrotiri is literally 10 minutes away from Iraq and Syria via RAF tornado jets using Brimstone missiles to fuck the oil fields over once and for good.
Now I know it's hard, seeing as a pair of Muslims just killed 14 Americans but pls pay attention.
>>57348356
Should mobilize ANY Stukas (Ju 87D with the twin 20mm cannon) that are air worthy. Equip them with FLIR and Onboard cameras NV and non, and send them to do night strafing runs.
>>57364211
>>57364301
To add, this isn't fighting Assad. We had a vote on that last year which was rejected.
We are only bombing ISIS targets. Assad isn't going to be touched.
>>57363929
Well the newer models are closer to 30 or 20 years old, so it wasn't that far off. It's cool that these legacy aircraft are going to stay in active service for such a long time. The F-15C is going to remain in service until at least 2030, and the B-52 is not scheduled for decommissioning until the late 2040s. Possibly longer, depending on how many delays the airforce's new strategic bomber will face. That's almost a full century of service, it's fucking insane. It's like a tank from World War I still being in front line use during Desert Storm. It really goes to show just how good the designers were, they came up with a versatile aircraft with unmatched range, versatility, and capability. The same can be said of the Tu-95, which is also supposed to remain in service until at least 2040.
>>57364436
PAK FA engines are not ready. It's flying with shitty interim engines.
Great idea to fly them over a desert right?
>>57352386
Will you make more posts with exactly the same claim? Maybe if you repeat it, like, 5 more times, you will get called a faggot 5 times more.
>>57364082
>Siding with ISIS... you and your fucking c u c k country!
Can you fucking read?
This is precision strikes against ISIS targets. There was a vote last year which was for bombing Assad which was rejected by an overall majority.
Again, Assad isn't going to be touched.
Jesus Christ you Belgians... I know English isn't your first or even second language but really now?
Can someone translate this to Arabic so our Belgian friend can understand.
Thanks.
>>57364562
The interim engines are just an advanced derivative of the ones used in the Su-27. They're not shitty engines by any means, just under powered and ill suited for use in the PAK FA.
>>57364656
Why are you even responding to Putin shills on proxies?
>>57352597
>Sweden having the gall to accuse anyone else of being keked
Shouldn't you be prepping someone right now?
>>57364689
I get annoyed when people can't read.
It annoys me. And Belgians annoy me, they should be nuked.
Can you nuke them please?
>>57364669
>They're not shitty engines by any means
Indians sure disagree.
>>57363952
Nice, thanks.
>Israeli-designed
Well shit
does this mean slavs and anglos are destined to get along
>>57364754
>Indians
>Knowing science
Most of their military technology is stolen.
Seriously, even their nuclear missiles, the blueprints and designs for them were stolen from the UK by Indians.
Fuck them and their inferior Chinese tier copies.
>>57364502
> mfw liberals would go berserk if we were to put the stucka horn on our tornados (even though it makes no sense at all except it's a fucking ear orgasm)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZZ504TGDpE
>>57363366
this is the last thing new zealand needs in terms of armed aircraft desu senpai, This isnt fucking 1945 anymore
>>57364858
I think all military aircraft should be equipped with loud speakers to blast music as they bomb their enemy into submission.
Good for morale and the economy (the extra parts needed) and the music industry!
>>57351728
>Russians come in and start making progress while Daesh has only grown stronger with Western bombing.
exactly opposite. russia is bombing al-nusra, enemy of isis while nato is actually bombing isis since paris attack.
http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/security/2015/05/syira-qalamoun-jabhat-al-nusra-war-isis-kharijites.html
>>57346532
at least we don't have to give the top of the line nuclear subs we build to Israel for free so they can point the nukes back at us
>>57364946
> tfw no brrrrrt in our army
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nvg7qrIiDTM
>>57364858
they should stick the sirens on drones and have them circle the countryside 24/7
>>57365034
>Israeli subs
>Top of the line
BAHAHAHAHAHAHA, if it isn't British or French submarines then it isn't top of the line.
All others are inferior and this is a well known and well established fact.
>mfw Assad's army sunk an Israeli sub
You didn't hear this from me.
Don't kill me Mossad! pls xxx <3 LOL LIKE YOU FUCKING COULD AHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
>>57365045
Why they use planes to kill single man? Why don't just shoot? For fun?
>>57365045
fuck the a-10, so inefficient
just use napalm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k26hmRbDQFw#t=1m30s
>>57365198
Okay, but what if we dropped napalm from the A-10?
>>57365187
Because a missile from a fighter jet is more efficient at ensuring the kebab is removed vaporised.
>>57364754
Maybe if the Indians didn't use poo as a lubricant for the turbine drive shaft that powers the compressor, they wouldn't be having issues with them. Really, it's more of a mismatch than the engine being bad in of itself. The PAK FA was designed with more powerful engines in mind, and the low thrust to weight ratio is wasted on the airframe. Also, the engines are terribly unstealthy. The fan blades are completely uncovered and open to the environment, making the perfect radar reflector. It's like painting "Please shoot me down" in radar reflective pain on the side of your aircraft. The rear of the engine is very radar reflective, and it has a MASSIVE infrared signature when operating without afterburners. It's just begging to have a sidewinder stuck up its ass.
>>57365045
I like this sound when the jets launch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FO_OEtKtLJI
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSH
>>57364209
>f-35
>cheap
Literally nothing about f-35 is cheap.
>>57365372
You should play DCS World, anon.
I've been fucking around with the MiG-21 module.
>mfw the fucking afterburner rattled my eardrums through my headphones when I engaged it for the first time on takeoff
>>57365372
Ohh yeah..that sound makes me miss the Cold war.
I miss the toys, and not having all this insurgency shit
>>57364826
You're absolutely right about Indians not understanding any of the underlying science behind their weapons. In the 30 years they have had nukes, they have still not managed to achieve multistage thermonuclear devices. Their bombs are all pure fission implosion devices not terribly different from the Fatman device dropped on Nagasaki, all with yields under 100 kilotons. They haven't even achieved boosted fission yet, which is even more pathetic. At least then they could begin to miniaturize their weapons and reach yields approaching one megaton. By comparison, the Chinese went from pure fission to thermonuclear in less than three years, which is fucking astounding. Even though they had some outside help, it is still an impressive accomplishment. The Indians have arguably had just as much outside help developing their weapons as the Chinese did, but still have not managed to build a bomb with a yield in excess of 100 kilotons.
>>57365485
>Literally nothing about f-35 is cheap.
Actually it's a pretty sweet deal for countries buying them.
The real cost was in developing the thing, which is why the American's are selling them in the first place.
>>57365786
What's the current price estimate, about 90 million for the F-35A? Not bad, considering that certain fourth generation fighters like the Rafale cost considerably more while offering less capability in many areas.
>mfw Americas sell 100 f-35's to Turkey aka ISIS
>>57365485
Literally everything about F-35 is cheap.
Indians are paying 220 million $ per Rafale. F-35 costs 100 million $ per plane. That's over two times less.
>>57364669
Even russian state media claims new engines are still not ready and without them this plane in not what it is supposed to be.
>>57364946
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_Operations_%28United_States%29
They do, they did this in Iraq and Afghanistan. I remember watching video years ago of US PsyOp personal blasting Rage Against the Machine in a Humvee whilst driving through an Afghan village to draw out the Taliban.
>>57366276
proofs?
>>57366276
God please let them do it.
S-400 thirsts for it's tasty radio signature.
>>57366276
Everybody is getting them. We are getting 64 in few years too.
>>57366424
F-35 has 0.001 RCS. S-400 is F-35 food.
Better work on improving IRST range soon.
>>57366424
>implying S-400 could detect it before F-35 Wild Weasels it
>>57366381
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/23/turkey-f35-lockheed-idUSL5E8DN2IM20120223
at least the gulf states wont get any
http://www.dodbuzz.com/2015/05/13/white-house-says-f-35s-not-for-sale-to-gulf-arab-states/
for the eventual war with the saudi's
>>57364991
oh look, mehmets complaining about a country not bombing ISIS and bombing someone else instead. ironic?
at least russia is bombing terrorists, not funding them like your tax dollars (and mine, admittedly).
>>57366825
Syrian "moderate" opposition are retarded kebabs and all, but they are not bombing the West. ISIS is.
What Putin is doing is weakening them while straightening ISIS.
>>57366591
>>57366637
>Holy shtealsh!!!
>Serbian F117 fiasco
>believing Lockheed graphs
>Lockheed having it's hands on S400 tactical specs
You do know Russians invented stealth, right?
You do know your useless F-35 is easily spotted when more than 1 radars are working in conjunction, right?
But yeah, keep supporting US military industrial complex, Polan, you good goy you.
>>57366937
al-qaeda has never attacked the west? really? what do you think al-nusra front is exactly? and how long is this dumb ass myth about russia not bombing ISIS going to be around? read the fucking news bozo.
>>57366965
>You do know Russians invented stealth, right?
>You do know your useless F-35 is easily spotted when more than 1 radars are working in conjunction, right?
Proofs?
>>57366965
You know shit kid. Just stop.
And those stats are what Russians claim. They are the absolute peak of their capabilities.
>>57367286
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stealth_technology
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petr_Ufimtsev
>Pyotr Yakovlevich Ufimtsev (Russian: Пётp Я́кoвлeвич Уфи́мцeв) (born 1931 in Altai Krai) is a Soviet/Russian physicist and mathematician, considered the seminal force behind modern stealth aircraft technology. In the 1960s he began developing equations for predicting the reflection of electromagnetic waves from simple two-dimensional shapes.[1]
>Much of Ufimtsev's work was translated into English, and in the 1970s American Lockheed engineers began to expand upon some of his theories to create the concept of aircraft with reduced radar signatures.[2]
>>57367286
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stealth_aircraft#Reflected_waves
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stealth_aircraft#Longer_Wavelength_Radar
>In December 2007, SAAB researchers revealed details for a system called Associative Aperture Synthesis Radar (AASR) that would employ a large array of inexpensive and redundant transmitters and a few intelligent receivers to exploit forward scatter to detect low observable targets.[22] The system was originally designed to detect stealthy cruise missiles and should be just as effective against aircraft. The large array of inexpensive transmitters provides a degree of protection against anti-radar (or anti-radiation) missiles or attacks.
>VHF radar systems have wavelengths comparable to aircraft feature sizes and should exhibit scattering in the resonance region rather than the optical region, allowing most stealth aircraft to be detected. This has prompted Nizhny Novgorod Research Institute of Radio Engineering (NNIIRT) to develop VHF AESAs such as the NEBO SVU, which is capable of performing target acquisition for Surface-to-air missile batteries. Despite the advantages offered by VHF radar, their longer wavelengths result in poor resolution compared to comparably sized X band radar array. As a result, these systems must be very large before they can have the resolution for an engagement radar.
>The Dutch company Thales Nederland, formerly known as Holland Signaal, developed a naval phased-array radar called SMART-L, which is operated at L Band and has counter-stealth. All ships of the Royal Dutch Navy's De Zeven Provinciën class carry, amongst others, the SMART-L radar.
Every measure has a countermeasure. You're putting too much faith in stealth.
>>57362503
Largely superseeded by Tupolevs 160 though.
>>57367810
> Despite the advantages offered by VHF radar, their longer wavelengths result in poor resolution compared to comparably sized X band radar array. As a result, these systems must be very large before they can have the resolution for an engagement radar.
Conveniently leaving out the whole "drawback" associated with these systems. Knowing that something is out there is not the same as getting a missile lock on it. Go to sleep Ivan, you have a long day of getting drunk and surviving on government handouts tomorrow.
>>57368752
>B-2
>Superseded by Tu-160
What the fuck are you on about?
>>57362776
Does the B-61 have a nuclear depth charge mode? I know the P-8 isn't designed to carry nuclear weapons like the P-3 was, but the Navy does operate nuclear capable aircraft like the Super Hornet. I find it hard to believe that whatever nuclear weapons may or may not be on board our carriers would not be capable of sub hunting.
>>57367810
In case you don't know, L-band is useless for locking targets. You still need X-band for that.
Yes, L-band can detect stealth. But all you will know is "there is a stealth plane somewhere in that direction between 80-100km".
It's useless for missile lock.
Just like modern IRST can detect stealth planes at 100km but you won't get a lock until 40-50km.
Meanwhile stealth plane will carry missiles with 150km range, can safely fire them and just turn back.
>>57368837
>>57369086
>Conveniently leaving out the whole "drawback" associated with these systems.
Read again. It says these types of radars are not suited for engagement radars.
They're perfectly fine for SAMs however.
>>57369086
Poor resolution is hardly a problem. You just send a missile towards general direction and once close enough, this missile acquires the target by itself.
>>57346171
>Faking bombing ISIS
>Giving turkshit 3 billion euro to buy ISIS oil
>ISIS buy weapon and send terrorists in my country
Paying taxes is suicide. We are buying ourselve the bullets they will put in our head.
>capitalist will sell you the rope to hang himself with
>>57363648
All the developed countries aren't at war anymore so governments don't see the point spending hundreds of billions of dollars getting 'an edge' on other nations.
>f-35
>absolutely cock show
The 1970 tech used against kebabs will do for now...
>>57364762
Israeli-designed just means it's slightly more effective against muzzies
USAF supporting B1 bombers who are delivering extra freedom.
Can't stop it
>>57369216
>They're perfectly fine for SAMs however.
No, they're not. These radars can't even narrow down the specific location of an aircraft, much less get a fucking missile lock on it. All they can do is tell you that someone is (probably) flying one or many stealth aircraft somewhere in the direction the radar is pointed at. That's it. With current technology the radar dish would have to be massive to get a decent resolution and actually locate the fighter's position with some degree of certainty, and would require higher resolution still to get a missile to hit it.
>>57371786
>No, they're not.
> All they can do is tell you that someone is (probably) flying one or many stealth aircraft somewhere in the direction the radar is pointed at.
The fuck are you smoking?
The band's wavelength is comparable to aircraft's dimensions. That's good enough resolution to determine the general location for the launch.
Put 3 of radars and triangulate the position.
Ta-da!
>>57369216
>Poor resolution is hardly a problem. You just send a missile towards general direction and once close enough, this missile acquires the target by itself.
Do you have any idea how retarded what you just said is? First off, wasting a five hundred thousand dollar missile to take a potshot at an F-35 you think is SOMEWHERE in a 500 mile diameter circle is insane. This would never be standard practice for any military in the world. Secondly, you may not realize this but fighter jets can move pretty fast. When you're firing a missile without a radar lock at a plane almost 150 miles away, it's not going to have a very good chance of hitting it. Even if you get incredibly lucky and manage to fire directly at it, that jet is going to be about 40 miles away by the time your missile gets there. The F-35 would immediately detect a SAM launch and push up into Mach 1.2 supercruise and scurry away. Meanwhile you both wasted one of your missiles and revealed your location to enemy aircraft, so you can expect an anti-radiation missile to find its way to your position at any second.
>>57365045
I love the A10
>>57371975
I don't think that's how radar works.
>>57369419
Only solution is the return to Monarchy so you can starve to death :D
There is no good ideology
>>57372205
>Do you have any idea how retarded what you just said is? First off, wasting a five hundred thousand dollar missile
>Russian missile
>Costing that much
> to take a potshot at an F-35 you think is SOMEWHERE in a 500 mile diameter circle is insane
500 mile diameter radius? Oh please, tell me how you derived this number.
>Meanwhile you both wasted one of your missiles and revealed your location to enemy aircraft
>What is EW countermeasures
>>57352416
Tornados are the only proper ground attack we have apart from drones.
>>57372748
S-400 has something like a 200 mile effective range, stretched to 250 depending on the conditions. And yes, the missiles it uses are incredibly expensive because of their size and complexity.
>>57373292
>S-400 has something like a 200 mile effective range
Missile range.
>And yes, the missiles it uses are incredibly expensive
Way less expensive than F-35 that's for sure.
>>57373372
Well yes, because an F-35 can be used for more than one thing. Like blowing up S-400s, for example
>>57373585
>F-35 can be used for more than one thing. Like blowing up S-400s, for example
And the other thing being being blown the fuck out by S-400s like a flying coffin it is?
kek
>>57346171
BONUS POINTS if you have special forces on the ground
>>57346171
we bomb whoever we want btw
>>57374007
Including our naval vessels. The chosen people really can get away with anything.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident
>>57349089
They made some sweet ass tanks to be fair.
>I'm the only one in my class who supports the bombing
>"""Anglo-Sphere"""
when most of the bombing have been done by russian and french
but suddenly britbongs decide to send 2 tornados
ok
