It would take an area of just 254 kilometres squared filled with solar panels to power the entire world.
>>57293380
People have mentioned this before, how feasible is it? Could it be done within this century?
>>57293380
>Implying niggers wouldn't pillage the compound and try to eat the panels
They use oil from fucking electric transformers for cooking. FROM TRANSFORMERS
>Power the world
>Europe, and Germany
>>57293380
Source me up sempai.
You can't transfer the power effectively around the world.
>>57293826
>gypsies go to Africa to steal copper
>mfw gypsies and niggers fighting to the death
>>57293380
Only in a magical fantasy realm where transporting energy doesn't cost anything.
>>57293380
>>57293826
Also
>putting your energy production into another state's territory
What is geopolitics for 500 Alex?
If I win the lottery and I bought some land in death valley, about 3 square miles and covered it in solar panels would I be assassinated?
>>57293777
Technologicaly, we could do it right now.
Politikaly, not so much.
>>57293826
Their food appearance must be horrendous but the taste is probably more than meets the eye.
>>57293380
Have fun trying to hook the entire world up to a single grid without constant rolling blackouts.
>>57293380
The problem isnt the power generation but the storage. We're getting there though. Be able to power a city for weeks off a battery the size of a car
>>57293777
No and no.
What those idiots always "forget" to mention is loss. There is a reason we don't have one giant super-nuclear powerplant powering the entire continent.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_power_transmission#Losses
In addition, you wouldn't get any power at night. And it'd be politically unacceptable and a national security nightmare to be dependent on a single country for all your power-needs.
Never going to happen.
>>57293380
Bullshit. You couldn't even get one watt from there to me.
>>57293826
kek
>>57293380
What about when it's night time?
>>57293826
>North-Africans
>niggers
>>57294140
No.
PG&E will buy any energy you want to sell.
ESPECIALLY with those chunky government subsidies.
>>57294250
Thanks Hans
>>57294140
sauce please
>>57293380
Is this true? Can you link me to their calculations?
Also this sounds like a good point >>57294100
What if we had that big square's worth of solar panels, but spread across the planet accordingly?
>>57294343
>What is dihydrogen?
>What is ethanol?
>>57294440
Split them in to halves and put them in different time zones. Also, put them in solar freakin' roadways :^)
>>57294140
Not sure if you can buy land in Death Valley. I thinks its some kind of parkland.
ps - nice webm :)
>>57294607
North Africans aka Egyptians were the greatest engineers in the ancient world. The pyramids are a symbol of black strength and intelligence.
>>57293380
what about maintenance?
Oh boy, we only need to plaster an area roughly the size of my country with non-recyclable electronics made of rare metals.
But hey, it's FREE GREEN energy, right?
It's not like those things would need maintenance and eventually replacement.
It's not like we'd need to transfer that energy all over the world, expending countless amounts of fossil fuels to set up the network.
It's not like a centralized worldwide energy source would be a major point of military contention.
We don't even know how to store huge amounts of energy efficiently
so that's laughable
>>57294144
fuck Africa. We could cover some useless parts of Spain and Italy and save on the cost of building undersea energy transmission lines.
I want muh EU to finance it. They blow your German money on other useless stuff.
Also, electric cars everywhere.
>>57293380
trippel the amount and or quadripel it. We have winter with shorter periods of suns and we have night. Indus tire is not sleeping. The ovens f fang or have to burn 24/7. Witch means batteries a shit ton of batteries. then maintenance and we have sand storms.
DESIGNATED
SOLAR
POWER
COUNTRY
>>57294932
I'm sorry, I completely forgot that you were kings n shit
>>57294904
Whatever happened to those?
Did the people running that project just take the money and disappear?
Power the world wiht solar panels ? What the hell
Today's technology is not efficient enough
>>57295044
The whole point of it is this
>>57294806
>>57294118
>>57294100
>>57294056
>>57294236
>>57294250
>>57295030
>muh one place
you guys are faking idiots
its to illustrate the amount of km3 needed to power the world, not to put everything in one facking place who thinks that up
>america has a desert
>china has a desert
>muh sand people have deserts
>fucking south america and south africa has deserts
>even fucking canada and russia has cold barren desert
>MUH NIGHT!
fuck you retarded nigger
earth is round
>>57294904
>>57293380
What we need to do energy wise is create a way to produce multiplicative gravity. Essentially what we would be doing is pulling something towards a suspended area that would by its own velocity move at whatever speed we're multiplying the gravity pull at. With that we could go past the speed of light, and essentially produce infinite energy.
>>57293380
you are retarded for believing this
>>57294917
>Parkland
What the hell can you even do there except get skin cancer?
>>57294250
>In addition, you wouldn't get any power at night
Well that's not right. Calculations are made so we can have power H24, he would take much less space to power only during the day.
And for your other argument i don't think they're talking about a big unique solar panel but multiple small panels... It's common sense and no you can't do that with nuclear plant because it would be impossible to cool and thus it would be very risky and probably explode within the first month.
>>57293380
Not an expert on electrical engineering, but apart from loss during transmission and nightime mandatory shutdowns, I'd like to point out that there's fucking sand everywhere out there - unless you plan to employ thousands of niggers with dustbrushes, panels will get covered pretty quickly, which will seriously impact their efficency.
>>57293380
>didn't think about the money needed to build such a grid
>didn't think about the amount of metal needed to build the grid
>didn't think about the fact that it needs to be converted to AC to be able to transmit through the grid
>didn't thing about the MASSIVE loss of power due to grid impedance
>didn't think about the massive power storage needed to store power for the night
>didn't think about the fact that you can't use PEAK POWER to calculate the output of a power plant
>didn't think about many other things but I got tired of typing on a touch screen
>>57294607
goedenavond mocro maat, 070 of 020?
>>57295237
>cubic kilometers
>>57294242
What city would that be? Some backwoods shithole in North Korea?
It's feasible for some applications, remote low power DC in the right locations on sunny days. It depends on cheap supplies and labor from China so the real cost is just displaced from your own backyard. Also, with all electricity generation you need to step it up to transport it moderate distances from the source, this involves expensive infrastructure so building these solar plants in desert is pointless as people shouldn't even be living there in the first place, except the sand people who just need their goats.
Finally, comparing a solar cell to an edible plant, it ain't even close yet. For one thing you can eat the plant, you can't eat your electronic tracking device. The younger generation sure has the technocracy blowing a lot of sunshine up their ass.
>>57293380
This is why giving Algeria back was such a big mistake :^)
Oh for fucks sake. Because line loss doesn't exist right? Also, for environmentalists, they sure do love choosing the "solutions" that require the most exotic metals and most toxic processes to produce.
Can we just get nuclear power started again?
How much energy would you need to clean the dust/sand covered panels everyday ?
>>57295322
Power storage is the issue, not total production. Batteries just aren't there yet. We'd need solar panels producing power 24/7 until massive advances in power storage tech
>>57295249
Not to mention, it could be used on an axis to move in all possible directions. Ultimately, like UFOs do in movies.
Familia all we have to do is put a solar panel on everyone's roof. China can clone every household a cow for us to keep in our backyard for dat milk and sweet sweet cheese. State mandated vegetable gardens as well. And half an hour a day per family member on the exercise bike hooked up to the grid to charge the batteries. We will make animus real.
>>57293380
No, you can't run the world on solar power.
There is night
There is Winter
There is inefficiency
There are Power Transportation losses
There are varrying demand levels throughout the day (coal/nuclear power stations are so good because you can varry their output.)
There is no valid Power Storage option available - you can't 'save up' for the night'.
>>57293777
Yeah it could be done this century.
The problem is that the sun doesn't always shine so those panels produce sweet fuck all for a while and our energy storage tech is actually fucking trash compared with our tech levels in other fields.
Seriously our batteries are absolutely fucking atrocious, we need mass produced graphene so we can use super capacitors.
>>57295237
If you're not going to put it all in one place you may aswell use nuclear power and hydroelectric power if you have rivers
>>57295550
do you know what csp is?
>>57295556
Don't you mean how many Mexicans?
>>57295501
>cups
>>57295328
I remember seeing a video of a guy whose company was trying to make solar panel walking paths etc. They had the exact same problem with dirt/sand etc being a problem, and the maintenance they needed was just completely ridiculous.
>>57295237
What about Europe, you windmill fruit?
>>57295501
awww shit nigga me dun goofed
>>57294607
implying ancient egyptians weren't current day east africans
get outta here
But frankly it won't happen in our society ever. Because everything is controlled by a few people who wants more money to keep the power.
It's like today we could produce enough food to feed all the planet and no one would have to die because of it. But it won't happen because of money.
Money is the problem.
In a world with international cooperation between the humans money is not needed. And that is a major no-no for those with a lot of money today.
So yeah we're fucked up anyway, all slave working to make other people rich and being able to pay entertainement the week end and a grave at the end.
>>57293380
Consider this:
What are you gunna do when niggers tear down the power lines and start raping your children?
>>57295237
>20,000km long powercable to power Europe at midnight
Go to bed, Kees, you're stoned.
>>57295766
not if you put the solar panels in space
>>57294026
No there is not.
>>57295891
Well, Poland has small desert (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Błędów_Desert)
I'm sure you can find some tiny ones in other countries as well...
>>57295833
Concentrated solar power. What about it?
>What are resources to build two hundreds of square kilometers of solar panels
>What is HUGE amounts of infrastructure to store and transport said energy around the world
>What is making sure everything stays intact in that shithole
Son, this is quite a bit different than blowing a few trillion dollars away on perspective weapon research, y'understand?
And don't get me started on energy efficiency.
>>57295879
>stones
FUCK USE THE ALBANIANS FOR FUEL THEN
>>57296271
it doesn't require exotic materials
Why not put them in space and concentrate the energy to Earth with giant lasers?
>>57293380
an orbital solar panel would be better. day and night energy and you wouldnt have niggers looting it for parts after they WAAAAAGH
>>57293380
>It would take an area of just 254 kilometres squared filled
No. it would take an enormous fucklot more than that if you apply real world numbers.
>the top 37 electricity consuming countries, which use 19,000 TWh/a (in 2012)
that's global consumption per year.
19 000 000 GWh/year.
The topaz solar farm, one of the largest in the world. Is 25km^2 and produces 1100GWh/year.
So you need 17272 topaz farms to power the world.
That's 431800km^2. An area 20% larger than Germany.
If you try to shill your green pipedreams then atleast put some effort into verifying them instead of just copy pasting ancient green misleading memes.
>>57293380
Great idea. Until you realize that even if all the niggers and sandpeople could be trusted to not ruin it right away, you're losing an incredible amount of power in transmission. It's incredibly wasteful to send power over long distances without the as-yet-created room-temperature superconductors we'd need to make it efficient.
This is why power plants are built relatively close to their service areas. Utah isn't powering someone's microwave in Dayton.
>>57293959
Check out the three different boxes, my gook friend.
>>57293380
What happens when the sun goes down retard
>>57295645
Ok i see. And even for the transport it's probably better to have panels in different geographic locations.
>>57295445
Wat nou ah kaaskop
>>57293380
In the fucking desert?
>logistics N'shit
>>57296050
Consider this:
>distribute all food so nobody starve
>niggers, indians, chinks and other shit reproduce at 10000% rate
Now either
>A: have to feed more mouths
or
>B: actual working people are outbred and extinct, trillion strong horde of imbecilles can't figure out how to farm, eventually they die and the clock turn back to the stone age
Great thinking m8
>>57295891
fu
>>57296133
fu2
youre cuntry can be the europeran dessert
but seriouly if every building would have some kind of wind or solar power thingy on the roof we could have a nice decentralized system
>>57296336
It's disingenuous to suggest that's what OP's pic is referring to though. They almost certainly are referring to, and reckoning for, conventional solar panels.
>>57293380
>no power at night
>manufacturing, maintaining the panels would be a bitch and no more "clean" and "green" than other options
>sandstorms would simply break the panels
yeah amazing idea let's go throw billions at it after we are done saving all the third worlders by providing them shelter in our homes :^)
>>57296162
Too bad we live down here on earth.
>>57293380
Invest in battery technology idiot.
Solar panels have near peaked and still lacking a reserve.
>>57296383
How do you plan on transporting the energy to the planet's surface?
>>57296544
kek 070 represent agi
>>57293380
Great, now show how much land we'd have to cover with nuclear generators to power the world.
Daily reminder that any plan that's not nuclear is full retard
>>57296686
nah most current plans to develop the sahara are csp
no one would use pv out there, as you say it's too expensive
>>57296574
>what is demographic transition
There's a reason why third country have a greater fertility rate than us. And it's not going te be forever, just look at our history. Chineses are almost out of it, Indians will follow, and so on.
>>57293380
Hahaha. The dumbest thing i read in a long time.
>>57296574
then there is this retarded nigger argument
>implying people with higher living standards have the same birthrate
>removing poverty actually solved overpopulation
>hurr durr clean energy
If you want clean energy cancel your power plan, unhook your house from the electric lines, and put in some solar panels. No one is stopping you. Whats funny is that all of these clean energy activists are all giving money to Jacob Sheckleburg at AEP.
I for one enjoy turning on my PC and knowing that it will boot without catching on fire or frying the Mobo.
>spend billions building solar panels to power the world
>use tons of rare and dangerous resources
>one year later
>solar panels are now 3 times more efficient and use safer materials
It's just not the right time to be diving into solar power.
>>57296821
>>57296988
These right here.
Until battery tech is improved, Solar Earth is a pipe dream and nuclear remains supreme.
>>57296821
There's not enough nickel, cadmium or lithium on earth to hold all the power we'd need for one night. And because of the scale of the project we'd have to use cheap ones too, and they'd break.
>>57296383
Great thread, what other common told lies by liberals will be point of topic for next thread OP?
We could just build a lot of relatively cheap and safe nuclear power plants (after taking the necessary measures such as making sure managers understand that no fuckups and cutting corners allowed and not crewing them with Jamals and Tyrones).
Unfortunately, the words "nuclear power" usually makes the general populace shit themselves in terror. Muh Chernobyl, right? Funny how they usually fail to notice various good old industrial accidents that killed and injured far more than all nuclear power combined.
>>57297004
So, when does Niger or Benin start theirs? It's not like they are overpopulated since long ago and stll have 6 babies per women.
>>57297132
>he still thinks hymen=virgin
>>57293380
This is the real version based on existing large scale PV plants. And the area is 20% too small.
see >>57296396
for calculation.
>>57297532
muh dick
>>57297516
Graphene :^)
>>57293380
>just 254 kilometres
huehuehuehuehuehuehue
>>57297137
So you plan on having a giant orbiting laser fire solar energy onto the planet?
>>57293380
The entire world and all of Europe, sure.
But GERMANY???
>>57297545
I nominate Cure for cancer.
>>57297784
Meh, it could double as a weapons platform, that could get Congress interested enough to fund it.
>>57297794
An intelligent person would assume the picture was first made in Germany for Germans
>>57296999
Nice trips.
Of course any real development would not use PV because those people know what they're doing.
However this looks like it was cooked up by layman activists. CSP isn't even known by the masses, so when they're talking about solar the inevitably mean those shiny black panels that make the sun into electricity.
>>57298017
Already been discovered, unfortunately conservatives are allergic to weed or something
One puff and you're cured
>>57297584
Exceptions always exist, they are not significatives. And yes the model describe decades ago will be different today but the basic global concept will remain.
I'm not saying overpopulation isn't a thing or a problem because it'll be in the next 50 years for sure. But it's not going to be a growth at this rate forever, it will tend to almost 0 at some point.
did a research project on nuclear energy before, and compared it to various alternatives such as solar.
i found that you would need to cover an area the size of texas just to match the power produced by the largest nuclear plant in the world.
that picture is bullshit.
>>57298082
Still won't work.
Ozone would absorb a good deal of it.
Space projectile works better.
>>57298318
That cures the side effects of chemo retard.
>Conservatives hate WEED
Fuck off Reddit.
>>57298380
Nuclear is the most dense energy source we have right?
>>57293380
>It would take an area of just 254 kilometres squared filled with solar panels to power the entire world.
And Quebec has enough rivers to power the world with Hydroelectricity twice over.
But it can't, because transportation is the limiting factor. You can't just put your power generation somewhere and send the power to where you need it. They have to be relatively close.
Quebec is already pushing it by putting its power generation around 500km away from its users.
And this is all within a province in a country. What you're suggesting here is to power the world from a single area.
>>57298570
That was even easier than I expected
Get b8ed
>>57295269
put down fucking solar panels you STML aspie
>>57294140
SAAUUUCCEEEE
>>57298913
invalid you fucking retard, there are 3 boxes look again
if it was financially sound companies would have done it already without subsidy.
solar panel enormous initial investment is only one reason no one does it.
>>57299117
>implying The Mojave isn't home to the secret bases
>>57293380
before you finish setting up the last one solar battery, you will have to replace the first one you mounted and fix millions of others.
without some cheap and easily deployable solar technology this is a moronic idea
>>57299699
>Le Nose Knows Man
>>57294140
Waterfall is smarter.
>>57299192
TRIGGERED.
>>57295828
Nuclear has waste and meltdowns, hydro fucks up fish and aquatic life. Why not put our deserts to good use.
>>57296377
They are working on it. But mainly because it's first use is a weapon. Like the Ion Cannon from C&C.
>>57293380
With solar panels that are only like 5-15% I dont think thats an accurate source, obviously some Jewish shill the get you to spend your sheckles on solar panels so politicians and their buddies stocks in solar panel companies through the roof. Didnt expect just shilling from based Croatia, dissappointed.
>>57293380
I am dubious. If true, why hasn't this been done?
>>57294118
Cause a bunch of sand nigger berbers are a geo polity...
>>57293380
yes, but only in optimal conditions like the desserts in pic relates where the nigger coock themselves in their own niggerness, and you need to transport that power everywhere else you which requires insane energy lost, the cost of that infrastructure would not be repaid in decades and would require constant maintained and upgrades every 5 years at minimum
>>57301203
because the size of the field is the least of the reasons not to do it.
>>57293380
INCOMING REDPILL:
Most Greenhouse gas emissions are from grazing, ranching, deforestation and factories. Only 6% are from motor vehicles.
Most oil in the world is consumed in manufactoring processes and farming.
The problem is overpopulation, it can't be solved with "MUH BICYCLES" or "MUH SOLAR POWER".
>>57301743
Please clarify and expand. I am dense.
>>57301756
Nope 87% of all CO2 emissions is from fossil fuels.
>>57301756
more specifically 27% is just transportation
>>57293380
>this is what lefties actually believe
>>57301951
Do you want your electricity bill to tripple? No?
That's why.
>>57298733
yes. the only way to get higher energy density than fission is to find a way to make fusion feasible for energy production. and we have enough fuel between uranium and thorium to last many thousands of years.
pretty much if hitler won the world would be powered by nuclear energy.
>>57302013
>>57302220
CO2 is not the only Greenhouse Gas.
There's also Methane, NO2, O3, water vapour, etc.
Transportation accounts for 27% of all CO2 but only about 6-8% of all Greenhouse gases.
>>57301756
>Most Greenhouse gas emissions are from grazing, ranching, deforestation and factories
>defortestation
>gas emissions
>>57301951
>oil money
>controllable, expensive energy
>less freedom, more poison
>oil = war = money
With no energy crisis we have no climate change issue to address, no human guilt for killing planet and no scarcity mindset. All things that play well into the cattle agenda.
>>57302619
Wrong again.
CO2 - 82%
Methane - 10%
N20- 5%
Water vapour? Nigga please.
>>57303275
water vapor is the most powerful greenhouse gas on earth. most plentiful, too.
alarmists 0 truth 1
If true, then you'd still be losing a % of that power in the transfer of the electricity itself, and would assume the conditions of the desert climate, rather than the actual local climate.
Also, is that the size needed for 1 giant solar panel, or panels including maintenance passages for repairs?
I'd put my money on no.
May want to sheep just a little less and science a little more.
>>57295784
Is graphene really just a meme at this point?
[spoiler]Have you ever even seen any graphene?[/spoiler]
>>57293826
Transformers aren't real you fucking retard. It's movie CGI.
>>57302978
>Land use change (mainly deforestation in the tropics) accounts for up to one third of total anthropogenic CO2 emissions.
How do you think land is cleared for farming you retard? They burn down the vegetation.
To this you have to add the excess CO2 that will NOT be absorved by the plants that have been destroyed.
>>57293380
>631000 tons of concrete
>46000 tons of aluminum
>1.5 million tons of copper wiring
>6500 tons of lithium
>17500 tons of silicon
>25000 gallons of deionized water/day
>100000 gallons of flora prevention/quarterly
>Battery replacement every 4 years
>Panel replacement every 10years
>Foundation replacement every >20 years
Infrastructure upgrade costs without any additional output: $10 Trillion USD
No thanks
>>57295445
036 gekanker
>>57303688
not the robot things called transformers.
electrical transformers, if i remember correctly they are for changing AC to DC or for stepping up/down the voltage/amperage of the electricity
>>57295766
>mass electrolysis to generate hydrogen+oxygen
>also easier to transport
>>57294140
sauce
>>57303689
It's CO2 that got fixed by the plants from the atmosphere, there's no net emission
>>57301951
basically this >>57302444
coal and natural gas are REALLY cheap sources of energy. making solar energy a major part of power production willl increase cost dramatically.
also, the initial investment is very high. it will make sense if the plant will work for years, but it is unlikely because the tech is still young and develops fast.
few more problems are it is unreliable because of night, winter and clouds (in germany they produced 10% of the panel capacity due to those reasons.)
>>57293959
There is 3 boxes for a reason.
Biggest box is the world.
Medium sized one is Europe.
Smallest is Germany.
>>57304293
Are you for real?
Of course it's an emission. The plants don't have CO2 stored anywhere. They transform CO2 into oxygen when they are conducting the photosynthesis.
Holy shit this is like Primary school stuff.
I learned this when I was 7 years old.
Why the fuck do I bother with this place?
>>57304327
I mean if we just adopted your policy of killing off your immediate neighbor, like your country, then we'd likely be able to de-populate the earth to a point where we could live sustainably and we'd have the wealth per person to justify x3 of a cost to energy.
>>57304327
>oooooyyyy vaaay don't use solar cost to much just keep building multi million dollar drill platforms to extract it goy- I mean allie
>>57305059
>shitposts violently
>>57293380
254 kilometers is a lot of land, no country is willing to have that much land turned into something that's not just for their own benefit. People are greedy.
>>57300956
>>57305091
get a room.
>>57302532
That or finding a source of antimatter
>>57294607
You're right, algerians are even worse than niggers.
>>57293380
not enough of the metals needed
Why does no one talk about the future?
Fusion is the way, it will power the world, the best thing we can do is to increase funding to accelerate development.
BTW, nuclear fission > solar, look at France, 70% nuclear, 97% carbon-free electricity production.
No, its more like 43000 km^2
>>57304954
Ayyyy, Argentina at it's finest
Do you even know what is that thing called "sugar" in your pic is?
NO NET EMISSION (Carbon fixed = Carbon released) in fact, there's a net decrease since part of that carbon got absorbed (eaten) by other animals
>>57305726
Tokamaks never work right. They always blow themselves up. Even if you could get one to run, you could never harvest its energy in a net profitable way.
>>57293380
Let's just assume that this image is not suggesting a centralized world power plant and instead is just making a point of how "little" area would be required in relation to the entire world.
254 square kilometers is still a fuckhuge amount of land. The Earth is fuckhuge x 1000, just because a patch of land looks small compared to the Earth doesn't mean it is small. Good look installing that many solar panels, each one requiring monitoring, upkeep, and cleaning. Also, good luck getting energy out of them at night or during a cloudy day, and don't even think about suggesting a bigass battery for such scenarios.
And you know what, I'm sure a collection traditional power plants could output the same amount of power with a smaller total area. What the fuck is this image trying to prove?
>>57293380
Sauce?
254km square is 254 million square meters at 200 watts per square meter = 50.8 GW
USA has 99 reactors with a capacity of 98,6 GW.
How do you clean solar panels in the desert? How do you provide food and fucking water to the people working in the middle of the desert.
Have solar cels started to grow on trees recently?
Do solar panels and associated infrastructure just vanish when it needs to be replaced?
Solar energy is a shitty and expensive (both financially and environmentally) source of energy.
Nuclear power is more efficient.
>>57293380
Thats not how it works faggot, you can't carry that power over long distences
>>57305692
Eat dicks, Kuck
but what happens when the earth rotates away from the sun AKA night time?
>>57298733
Unless we start getting into subatomic particle physics as a fuel source, then yes. Nuclear is GOAT
>>57305998
We are talking about burning the rainforest. Of course there is a fucking net emission.
Are you being dense?
Before bulldozing and scorching the rainforest =
CO2 goes in >>> O2 goes out
Net reduction in CO2 in the atmosphere
After bulldozing the rainforest =
Burning and bulldozing >>> CO2 emissions
IN ADDITION TO
More CO2 that is not taken by the plants >>> Less O2 in the atmosphere
Net increase in CO2
I don't know what the animals have to do with any of this, they produce methane you fucking retard.
>>57293380
sand damages the pannels. Also there are terrorists in those squares.
>>57305380
I mean it's working. Kill off your opposition and take their water and usable land.
If I actually wanted to shitpost I would have said: I don't know, why do you Argentinian's keep bothering with the Falkland Islands either?
The main problem is overpopulation and scarcity of resources, mainly metals and energy.
>>57305726
This is the only feasible to future crisis's that I can imagine. The problem we currently have is harnessing the energy created by the Fusion process into anything meaningful.
This would then allow for a steady population control down to more suitable levels.
>>57306361
*total capacity
>>57307105
>I have no idea what a net emission is, the post
Before bulldozing:
6CO2 + 6H2O → C6H12O6 (sugar) + 6O2
Carbon remains constant, however sugars are do not contribute to climate change
Reduction of CO2 in the atmosphere (ignoring plant respiration for the sake of convenience)
Burning the plants
C6H12O6 -> 6CO2 + 6H2O (steam)
C is still constant, net increase is zero
After bulldozing, nothing else happens, there's no contribution positive nor negative
Also, animals producing methane is can be neglected when considering the Carbon intake they have
And that is by not considering the fact that sugars are eaten by other organisms, you could grow plants just to burn them and there would always be a net decrease (unless burning the consumers too)
To draw a paralel, biomass energy is considered a green energy for the exact same reason
Hope you have learned something new today my white friend
There are multiple reasons that image is bullshit, and that even if it was correct it would not be feasible.
I have a degree in mechanical engineering, and whilst that is not strictly a mechanical field, I am knowledgeable in the subject enough to be able to state this. You may remember me from several lengthy posts as to why wind power is shit.
Why do these threads always pop up and enrage me right before bed?
>>57304293
do you even science? do you even melting permafrost and ice releasing methane? if it was fixed 300,000 years ago there will be an affect on our current climate. Forests hold some of the largest stores of co2 and carbon.
>>57309307
Stop replying to Spain he is clearly retarded. Doesn't understand fixed carbon and CO2 gas are not the same.
>>57311222
Because you're a faggot, cry more.
>>57293777
The area is politically speaking as stable as the mental health of American celebrity Miley Cyrus
>>57313753
Fucking kek
>>57293380
Completely ineffective. THe further you trry to transport that power the more gets lost through transformaer losses and the resistance of cabling. Also the costs of maintaining such a network would be utterly astronomical as well and if one bad thing happens where you put all those solar panels your energy supply is fucked.
And that's just talking about the idea of a power network like that, it's not even starting to go into the other problems assosciated with solar panel based energy.
>>57293380
>all of the worlds energy resources in one small area
great fucking idea einstein, got any more?
>>57307904
Yeah. I've done engineering work with the people at the Culham Centre for Fusion Energy before when they were looking heavily into how you could use materials will good emissive properties as a way of capturing the energy produced and released as electromagnetic radiation to then conduct it somewhere useful. (In the vacuums used in tokamaks, EM radiation, especially infra-red, is the only way that heat energy is really going anywhere.)
HOLY FUCKING CHRIST WE COULD POWER THE WORLD WITH SOME MORE NUCLEAR REACTORS THAT ARE LITERALLY SAFER THAN WIND POWER AND YET WE WON'T DO IT BECAUSE HIPPIES
FUCK WINDMILLS AND SOLAR PANELS HOLY FUCK SOLAR PANELS ARE ONLY USEFUL IN THE MORNING AND WE CAN'T EFFICIENTLY STORE THE EXCESS MADE
>>57293380
>the sun never goes down
>electric current does not diminish over distance
>we are able to store the power
A few slight problems, but keep trying. ALso the desert enviroment would be destroyed for this, are you ok with that?
>>57294140
i don't request sauce very often but SAUCE PLS
>lay out hundreds of square miles of solar panels
>the first ones you put down are already breaking before you're even halfway done
People need to realize that solar power isn't a "set it and forget it" solution. They require maintenance. And that can become a logistic nightmare when so many are required. And you always need a ton of space for solar panels as compared to any other energy source.
except when the sun goes behind a cloud and there's no fucking power for anyone
>scientists thinking about real life situations ever
>>57293380
>the world
>europe
>and germany
I'm sorry, what? Does the world not include the world?
>just 254 sq/km!
And all the infrastructure to get the power from there to 'the world'
>>57304050
They're for raising/lowering voltage and vice-versa with current to reduce power loss in transmission lines
>>57316349
How fucking stupid are you? It clearly shows 3 different boxes, one for each case. Jesus Christ kid.
>>57316349
and "does the world not include the world"??
What???????
Kill yourself please.
>>57293380
Great idea! but who's going to fork over the billions maybe even trillions to pay for it.
>>57318119
we could institute free labor and materials since its basically a gibs me dat energy source
>>57297624
Certainly lovers the chance considerably.
>>57293380
solar panels are a shit technology for this, concentrated solar is a better application
>>57295237
Fuck sake.
Why don't I get a desert.
Or sunlight for that matter
>>57293380
254 km squared of fragile glass-covered photo-voltaic systems, requiring swiveled and gimbaled mount, necessitating a round the clock team of specialists and people staffing the trillion dollar generation plant. But hey, it could power the world, if only we could run tens of thousands of power lines the size of the golden gate bridge suspension cables that far, under the oceans and through volcanic and tectonic zones. And forget expanding the site to make up for the increasing world demand for power. Just supplement locally with the totally feasible wind generators that only run on off-peak hours, just like the faggot ass solar panels.
Fuck.
>>57300843
Besides melt downs (That only happen when you're retarded and don't take care of equipment) the results you get from nuclear are pretty fucking amazing.
And all the depleted uranium you get can be used in military munitions for killing sand niggers.
>>57319529
they dont have to be all in the sahara
>>57294250
Are you this fucking dumb?
That picture is just to prove a point. That it is both possible and reasonable to make solar power a primary energy source for a developed nation.
No. Nobody is honestly suggesting that we take a 254 square mile chunk of land in the Sahara, fill it with nothing but solar panels, and use that to power the entire globe. They are just trying to illustrate a point.
Taking everything literally is a sign of autism, you know? You might want to consider seeking a diagnosis.
Why don't we create an energy source fueled by the amount of shootings in the US
>>57319483
Great Britain used to own plenty of desert. Fuck you guys owned most of the Sahara, plus a good chunk of the Arabian desert.
This was all before you became kucks, though.
>>57320157
Supplementary solar on private homes, being funded privately is fine.
Basing a major portion of the nation's power generation on such a fucking stupid power source is ridiculous.
So my first response is going to be equally ridiculous.
>>57321188
its not stupid
no mining, no blowing up half a mountain, no gas lines/wells, no worry about user error turning the area into a deadzone, no emissions, no global warming faggots breathing down your neck
>>57321753
>no mining
Because solar power is made from 100% organic materials. Right.
>>57322163
youre not mining constantly to fuel the energy produced, only the materials to construct the actual energy producing device
>>57296856
I think microwaves are the best bet. Lasers could work as well.
>>57294210
>>57322738
What about the heavy equipment doing the mining? The trucks and trains shipping this crap?
Make a fucking group of solar arrays in space, where it is safer and better for solar generation, and beam it down via microwaves. That is how outlandish this shit is.
>>57293777
It is not currently feasible in any way, shape, or form and in fact would be completely stupid to do with our current existing infrastructure.
t. engineer
>>57295237
Do you know who doesn't have a desert?
Everyone in europe, you idiots.
>>57322738
>>57323659
And do you know how rare those minerals used to make solar panels are? The amount of lithium, neodymium, selenium, tellurium, etc. is? The increase in mining to produce these panels would only continue to "fuck up" the Earth even more. And let's not forget, the mines mining these minerals, the factories producing these panels, etc. are all running on coal powered plants. However, as a mining engineer I am torn between solar panels and coal simply because the impact mass solar panels would have on the industry. On one hand no more coal, but on the other rare earth minerals.
Also here is some literature:
>What goes into a solar panel
https://www.mineralseducationcoalition.org/sites/default/files/uploads/mec_fact_sheet_solar_panel_0.pdf
Semi-Related
>Why coal is cheaper than wind
http://pesd.fsi.stanford.edu/sites/default/files/WP_106%2C_Galetovic_and_Munoz%2C_Wind_and_Coal_Costs%2C_16Apr2013.pdf
>>57325201
Photovoltaic will never be economically competitive. You will never get the money you put into the panels back at the current loss of electricity. In addition, the entire grid is set up in a fashion that makes solar simply not viable.
>>57294932
WE WUZ KINGS
>>57293380
>build it in algeria
>locals "nationalize" it
>own energy supply like they do with oil
>>57326656
>dead center in the saharah
>locals
>>57325802
I just find it all ironic when people say, "FUCK COAL AND FUCK OIL!!" while they sit in a home powered by coal, wired with copper, etc, that all came from a mine and mill that was powered by coal.
>>57293380
Like those niggers and sand niggers would even allow that shit. Or take care of that shit.
Like Saudi Arabia oil niggers would not try to fuck the world against that shit.
Like any funding on this always gets destroyed by liberals kucks.
>>57327009
Yep. People are stupid. Literally everything, from basic materials for everything in society to medicine ect, is made from petroleum products. People simply don't understand it. It's the melange of our time.
Just use the solar panels to produce hydrogen fuels. It's not perfectly efficient, but it's one way of storing energy it in a clean way.
>>57295269
Enjoy the experience. There's nothing else like it in the world.
>>57325201
How did you get into mining engineering? And are you one of the good guys, or bad guys?
When I finish up the chunk of my career devoted to lab/ factory work, I think I'd like to help reclaim mines.
>>57293380
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_power_transmission#Losses
good idea, but each country should have its own, if possible. solar panels being in 1 place is politically autistic
are those panels going to fall out of the sky or are you going to mine the materials for them?
>>57294140
Sauce
>>57293380
Tractors
Tanks
Cadmium
Silicon
>>57293380
ehhh lmao then you need to factor in energy storage, and energy transportation. As much as I would like for tesla's delusion-ed technology was real but unfortunately his understanding of what he discovered was a little bit off.
>>57296856
I really dont see whats stopping a a big wire to a tidally locked satellite
>>57293380
waste of time just use nuclear energy instead.
>>57335358
I guess its really inefficient and not worth the trouble for satellites to do this at all. Maintenance costs and such. space elevator might work but still its better to just put it on the ground
>tfw we'll never have the glorious utopian shit like personal micro nuclear reactors underneath each house to provide basically unlimited safe power cause of MUH DANGER MUH MELTDOWNS like these things will just blow up for no reason
>>57293380
Trees and plants are effective solar panels
>>57324304
We will, we just need to put a dam in the strait of gibraltar
>>57336529
What about muh nuclear waste
>>57293380
sauce?
>>57293380
Transmission loss, reliability during nighttime and bad weather.
Then why don't left wingers stop putting money into social justice and use that money to build the shit?
